Guest Fred S ***** Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for obvious reasons. One has actually encountered problems as he had automatic updates on and SP3 was installed. I had him use Add/Remove Progs to remove SP3 and he seems to be OK. My question is this, what is going on with SP3 remedies? Is MS working on a new version of SP3, or is there a "fix" for it that can be installed ASAP? I guess that there needs to be a "Status" report of some kind to keep users up to date on what is going on. Any comments? Thanks, Fred
Guest Alias Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question Fred S ***** wrote: > I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for > obvious reasons. > > One has actually encountered problems as he had automatic updates on and > SP3 was installed. I had him use Add/Remove Progs to remove SP3 and he > seems to be OK. > > My question is this, what is going on with SP3 remedies? Is MS working > on a new version of SP3, or is there a "fix" for it that can be > installed ASAP? > > I guess that there needs to be a "Status" report of some kind to keep > users up to date on what is going on. > > Any comments? > > Thanks, Fred SP3 will not be changed. You need to install it properly, however. This means uninstalling ALL anti malware programs and making sure that your AV does NOT load with Windows or uninstall it as well. After all that, do a clean up, chkdsk and defrag before installing SP3. Once finished with the SP3 install, reboot TWICE. Alias
Guest Twayne Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question > I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for > obvious reasons. > > One has actually encountered problems as he had automatic updates on > and SP3 was installed. I had him use Add/Remove Progs to remove SP3 > and he seems to be OK. > > My question is this, what is going on with SP3 remedies? Is MS working > on a new version of SP3, or is there a "fix" for it that can be > installed ASAP? > > I guess that there needs to be a "Status" report of some kind to keep > users up to date on what is going on. > > Any comments? > > Thanks, Fred There is one. It would seem you have done nothing to research it for yourself; there is info all over the place and esp on MS.
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question >I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for >obvious reasons. > >One has actually encountered problems as he had automatic updates on and >SP3 was installed. I had him use Add/Remove Progs to remove SP3 and he >seems to be OK. > >My question is this, what is going on with SP3 remedies? Is MS working >on a new version of SP3, or is there a "fix" for it that can be >installed ASAP? > >I guess that there needs to be a "Status" report of some kind to keep >users up to date on what is going on. > >Any comments? > >Thanks, Fred The only people having issues with SP3 are those who had HP systems with AMD processors and users whose systems are already bunged up with gobs of garbage software and who knows what. SP3 is safe but does require some reading on the Microsoft for software compatibility. I have had nothing but positive experiences installing it on a multitude of different person's PCs. - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question The release of WinXP SP3 is final: No changes will be made to it. WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717 ==================================== IEBlog: IE and Windows XP Service Pack 3 http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx =================================== <IMHO> Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus application, any anti-spyware applications, and any third-party firewall prior to installing SP3. If you disable a third-party firewall, make sure you then enable the Windows Firewall: The machine should not be connected to the internet without an active firewall. NB ZA Free users: Uninstall ZA Free via Add/Remove Programs and enable the Windows Firewall before installing SP3. After installing SP3 /and rebooting twice/, check to make sure your real-time protections have been re-enabled; If you disabled a third-party firewall, remember to re-enable it and disable the Windows Firewall. </IMHO> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada. .. US: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131 .. CA: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131 .. UK: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-gb&prid=11273&gprid=522131 .. AU: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131 .. Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3 -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Fred S *****" <"Fred S wrote: > I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for > obvious reasons. > > One has actually encountered problems as he had automatic updates on and > SP3 was installed. I had him use Add/Remove Progs to remove SP3 and he > seems to be OK. > > My question is this, what is going on with SP3 remedies? Is MS working > on a new version of SP3, or is there a "fix" for it that can be > installed ASAP? > > I guess that there needs to be a "Status" report of some kind to keep > users up to date on what is going on. > > Any comments? > > Thanks, Fred
Guest Fred S ***** Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question Thee Chicago Wolf wrote: >> I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for >> obvious reasons. >> >> One has actually encountered problems as he had automatic updates on and >> SP3 was installed. I had him use Add/Remove Progs to remove SP3 and he >> seems to be OK. >> >> My question is this, what is going on with SP3 remedies? Is MS working >> on a new version of SP3, or is there a "fix" for it that can be >> installed ASAP? >> >> I guess that there needs to be a "Status" report of some kind to keep >> users up to date on what is going on. >> >> Any comments? >> >> Thanks, Fred > > The only people having issues with SP3 are those who had HP systems > with AMD processors and users whose systems are already bunged up with > gobs of garbage software and who knows what. SP3 is safe but does > require some reading on the Microsoft for software compatibility. I > have had nothing but positive experiences installing it on a multitude > of different person's PCs. > > - Thee Chicago Wolf That's what I thought too but my friend with the problems, continuous reboots, real slooooooow startup and operation has a Dell with an Intel chip. I had him remove (UNinstall) it based on the research that I've done despite what that idiot "Twayne" suggested in an earlier post. Guys like that just love to post crap online, but that's another matter. My friend says he installed it using Windows update automatically. Others here have posted that one needs to uninstall AV and FW software which sounds extreme unless, of course, it is Norton or McAfee. My review of posts here and at other sites show problems with SP3 on many other PC brands and with Intel chips. This is verified by the numerous articles located at the MS Windows XP Solution Center for SP3. I was hoping someone, MVP's in particular, were compiling info. Even Jim Eshelman at AUMHA doesn't address it at all. Fred
Guest Fred S ***** Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question Twayne wrote: >> I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for >> obvious reasons. >> >> One has actually encountered problems as he had automatic updates on >> and SP3 was installed. I had him use Add/Remove Progs to remove SP3 >> and he seems to be OK. >> >> My question is this, what is going on with SP3 remedies? Is MS working >> on a new version of SP3, or is there a "fix" for it that can be >> installed ASAP? >> >> I guess that there needs to be a "Status" report of some kind to keep >> users up to date on what is going on. >> >> Any comments? >> >> Thanks, Fred > > There is one. It would seem you have done nothing to research it for > yourself; there is info all over the place and esp on MS. > > Thanks for your help and comments towards the issue - nice of you to be so helpful by posting so much real helpful information. You sir are an A-hole!
Guest stafford collinsworth Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question microsoft has a new group called the 'endless reboot' group which only works on perfecting the endless reboots observed on windows xp sp3 and windows vista when microsoft believes that they have mastered 'endless reboot' they will invite bill gates back to microsoft to get the the S**T fixed. hold your breath until you turn blue and be glad you did not download windows xp sp3 good luck to microft in 2008 the endless reboot group. stafford collinsworth 9th infantry division vietnam veteran and endless reboot sometimers patient "Fred S *****" <"Fred S"@anonymous.com> wrote in message news:%23WX565kyIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for obvious >reasons. > > One has actually encountered problems as he had automatic updates on and > SP3 was installed. I had him use Add/Remove Progs to remove SP3 and he > seems to be OK. > > My question is this, what is going on with SP3 remedies? Is MS working on > a new version of SP3, or is there a "fix" for it that can be installed > ASAP? > > I guess that there needs to be a "Status" report of some kind to keep > users up to date on what is going on. > > Any comments? > > Thanks, Fred
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question >That's what I thought too but my friend with the problems, continuous >reboots, real slooooooow startup and operation has a Dell with an Intel >chip. > >I had him remove (UNinstall) it based on the research that I've done >despite what that idiot "Twayne" suggested in an earlier post. Guys like >that just love to post crap online, but that's another matter. > >My friend says he installed it using Windows update automatically. >Others here have posted that one needs to uninstall AV and FW software >which sounds extreme unless, of course, it is Norton or McAfee. > >My review of posts here and at other sites show problems with SP3 on >many other PC brands and with Intel chips. This is verified by the >numerous articles located at the MS Windows XP Solution Center for SP3. > >I was hoping someone, MVP's in particular, were compiling info. Even Jim >Eshelman at AUMHA doesn't address it at all. > >Fred There's been some reports that tomorrow Microsoft may have some kind of compatibility check for those who will be getting it via Windows Update. But as far as anything else, it's really a matter of what a person has on their PCs. On the majority of PCs I've installed SP3 to, they've all been lean in the software install department. If SP3 is breaking anything on a person's PC, I stand by my word that it's someone else's software, not SP3 that is not fully complaint. I've installed SP3 (and earlier betas and release candidates) on at least 10 PC running Symantec Corporate AV 10.1 and nothing bad happened when it came up after reboot. I think people just are not keeping their software current and crying foul when it breaks. This whole busness of turn of this and uninstall that before putting it on borders on retarded. - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:30:08 -0500, "bw" <bw@dodgit.com> wrote: > >"Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message >news:053r44t2o8l23agn20ckjl5j62h23iim9c@4ax.com... > >> But as far as anything else, it's really a matter of what a >> person has on their PCs. On the majority of PCs I've installed SP3 to, >> they've all been lean in the software install department. If SP3 is >> breaking anything on a person's PC, I stand by my word that it's >> someone else's software, not SP3 that is not fully complaint. I've > >You know, I think that's smart. When I do get SP3, I think I'll backup, >restore a clean install, apply SP3, then backup, and start reinstalling >apps. > >Guess a backup or two is a good idea? Yes, a backup is always a good idea but an audit of your current apps is always a better one. Installing XP with SP3 on a slipstreamed disk is the best if you plan that route. Certainly it doesn't take much effort to go to the software makers web sites and see if there are any patches / updates for the existing app that may make it a bit more SP3 friendly before SP3 is put on. It's just smart to do some easy preparation work before the deployment of a major service pack. I would guess that after tomorrow we'll see a whole slew of web sites posting how SP3 broke everything but I bet dollars to donuts we'll see updates from the software makers appear a short time afterwards. SP3 has been an available download in release candidate format since LAST YEAR so no software vendor has any excuse to not have tried it against their existing software so as to make the users ready for it. - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest bw Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question "Fred S *****" <"Fred S"@anonymous.com> wrote in message news:%23uJhTQmyIHA.5892@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > My review of posts here and at other sites show problems with SP3 on many > other PC brands and with Intel chips. This is verified by the numerous > articles located at the MS Windows XP Solution Center for SP3. > Mine too, I am holding off... Breaking XP would possibly help Vista look better wouldn't it? Give it a few of months until all the finger pointing dies down. You're not going to hurt anything by not installing it, and bringing up the obvious flaws in a buggy release is just going to rub people the wrong way, IMHO.
Guest bw Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question "stafford collinsworth" <stafford_collisworth@msn.com> wrote in message news:OLF7CpmyIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > microsoft has a new group called the 'endless reboot' group MAN! it's Win 3.1 all over again
Guest John A Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question Untrue! I have had problems with SP3 and have an Intel processor and I wouldn.t class any of the software on my computer as "garbage" John On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:35:54 -0500, Thee Chicago Wolf <.@.> wrote: >>I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for >>obvious reasons. >> >>One has actually encountered problems as he had automatic updates on and >>SP3 was installed. I had him use Add/Remove Progs to remove SP3 and he >>seems to be OK. >> >>My question is this, what is going on with SP3 remedies? Is MS working >>on a new version of SP3, or is there a "fix" for it that can be >>installed ASAP? >> >>I guess that there needs to be a "Status" report of some kind to keep >>users up to date on what is going on. >> >>Any comments? >> >>Thanks, Fred > >The only people having issues with SP3 are those who had HP systems >with AMD processors and users whose systems are already bunged up with >gobs of garbage software and who knows what. SP3 is safe but does >require some reading on the Microsoft for software compatibility. I >have had nothing but positive experiences installing it on a multitude >of different person's PCs. > >- Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest bw Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question "Thee Chicago Wolf" <.@.> wrote in message news:053r44t2o8l23agn20ckjl5j62h23iim9c@4ax.com... > But as far as anything else, it's really a matter of what a > person has on their PCs. On the majority of PCs I've installed SP3 to, > they've all been lean in the software install department. If SP3 is > breaking anything on a person's PC, I stand by my word that it's > someone else's software, not SP3 that is not fully complaint. I've You know, I think that's smart. When I do get SP3, I think I'll backup, restore a clean install, apply SP3, then backup, and start reinstalling apps. Guess a backup or two is a good idea?
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question >Untrue! I have had problems with SP3 and have an Intel processor and I >wouldn.t class any of the software on my computer as "garbage" Rough count, how many applications are on your PC? Is *everything* fully up to date in terms of apps, drivers, BIOS, etc.? - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest ANONYMOUS Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question Fred S ***** wrote: > I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for > obvious reasons. > There are no "obvious reasons" that we know of. could you cite some examples! In fact it seems that you are not qualified to "advise" people whether or not to install SP3 because your knowledge seems to be very elementary. hth
Guest Plato Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question Fred S ***** wrote: > > My question is this, what is going on with SP3 remedies? Is MS working > on a new version of SP3, or is there a "fix" for it that can be > installed ASAP? Same as usual. The new users/downloaders are the BETA testers. Nothing new. -- http://www.bootdisk.com/
Guest Fred S ***** Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question ANONYMOUS wrote: > > Fred S ***** wrote: > >> I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for >> obvious reasons. >> > > There are no "obvious reasons" that we know of. could you cite some > examples! In fact it seems that you are not qualified to "advise" people > whether or not to install SP3 because your knowledge seems to be very > elementary. > > hth > > The obvious reasons for holding off are all over this newsgroup - approximately 30% of the discussions here are related to problems with the damn service pack. The use of "obvious" was in reference to a significant number of users reporting major system problems with either installation or dysfunctional problems with the OS after installation. Windows XP is considered the most stable OS that Microsoft has made available to users and the SP3 package has caused havoc with it. Now, what are you qualified to talk about? Fred
Guest bw Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question "ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message news:484DAEE8.D40C3A44@EXAMPLE.COM... > > >> I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for >> obvious reasons. >> > > There are no "obvious reasons" that we know of. could you cite some > examples! In fact it seems that you are not qualified to "advise" people > whether or not to install SP3 because your knowledge seems to be very > elementary. > Here's a few.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=xp+sp3+problem&btnG=Search
Guest John A Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question I have lots of apps and drivers, why is that an issue? As a matter of fact, *Everything* except BIOS is fully up to date, but are you implying that a piece of code that is not fully up to date is garbage? John On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:36:17 -0500, Thee Chicago Wolf <.@.> wrote: >>Untrue! I have had problems with SP3 and have an Intel processor and I >>wouldn.t class any of the software on my computer as "garbage" > >Rough count, how many applications are on your PC? Is *everything* >fully up to date in terms of apps, drivers, BIOS, etc.? > >- Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest Thee Chicago Wolf Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question >I have lots of apps and drivers, why is that an issue? > >As a matter of fact, *Everything* except BIOS is fully up to date, but >are you implying that a piece of code that is not fully up to date is >garbage? The BIOS is the most important piece of software that communicates what the operating system, it's devices, and software that communicates to those devices can and can't do. If an update to the BIOS has been done to rectify some problem or advance some feature that allows to the OS and apps to communicate better and more correctly with the hardware, why would you not update it? I am not implying that a piece of code that is not up to date is garbage, I am stating it is out of date, could contain errors, and can potential cause a failure that can't always be traced back to a program or the operating system. If motherboard makers had never updated their BIOS to take into account the errata that is present in the B2 stepping of the AMD Quad-core "Barcelona" CPU, users would be banging their heads as to why the crashes that were occurring. It is asinine to think the BIOS plays no role in why things can go wrong with a computer. - Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest John A Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question I think this is getting off topic. I understand the importance of BIOS and have in the past updated BIOS when necessary. I treat it as a special case because of the potential hazards of updating it. I don't update BIOS unless there is a problem occurring that suggests a BIOS update might fix it. I have no current problems with my computers so I don't see the point of a BIOS update. In fact, the Gigabyte web site specifically warns "Because BIOS flashing is potentially risky, if you do not encounter problems using the current version of BIOS, it is recommended that you not flash the BIOS. ..." John On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:51:30 -0500, Thee Chicago Wolf <.@.> wrote: >>I have lots of apps and drivers, why is that an issue? >> >>As a matter of fact, *Everything* except BIOS is fully up to date, but >>are you implying that a piece of code that is not fully up to date is >>garbage? > >The BIOS is the most important piece of software that communicates >what the operating system, it's devices, and software that >communicates to those devices can and can't do. If an update to the >BIOS has been done to rectify some problem or advance some feature >that allows to the OS and apps to communicate better and more >correctly with the hardware, why would you not update it? > >I am not implying that a piece of code that is not up to date is >garbage, I am stating it is out of date, could contain errors, and can >potential cause a failure that can't always be traced back to a >program or the operating system. If motherboard makers had never >updated their BIOS to take into account the errata that is present in >the B2 stepping of the AMD Quad-core "Barcelona" CPU, users would be >banging their heads as to why the crashes that were occurring. It is >asinine to think the BIOS plays no role in why things can go wrong >with a computer. > >- Thee Chicago Wolf
Guest ANONYMOUS Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question Fred S ***** wrote: > The obvious reasons for holding off are all over this newsgroup - > approximately 30% of the discussions here are related to problems with > the damn service pack. > Now this clearly shows that you are not qualified to advise people on anything. People posting here are those that have already got problems with their systems well before SP3 was installed. They don't need to spend their time here when they should be watching Euro 2008 or something similar ( <http://www.euro2008.uefa.com/index.html> ). People don't come here just to post their success in installing SP3 or that they didn't have any problems what so ever. I am surprised it is not 100% because these groups are for people with any XP problems. So this simply reinforces our view that people having problems with SP3 generally have other problems but they have less knowledge about their own systems and they are just joining the bandwagon of blaming SP3 or for that matter anything produced by Microsoft. hth
Guest Gord Dibben Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question I concur. Gord On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:58:39 +0100, ANONYMOUS <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote: >I am surprised it is not 100% because these groups are for people with >any XP problems. So this simply reinforces our view that people having >problems with SP3 generally have other problems but they have less >knowledge about their own systems and they are just joining the >bandwagon of blaming SP3 or for that matter anything produced by Microsoft.
Guest Unknown Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 Re: SP3 - Status Question What in your mind is 'obvious reasons'? If less than 1% of people with XP have a problem show up when or after installing SP3 and seek assistance here, is that an obvious reason? If 1000 people have a problem out of perhaps 150 million, is that an obvious reason? "Fred S *****" <"Fred S"@anonymous.com> wrote in message news:uOZBVJoyIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > > ANONYMOUS wrote: >> >> Fred S ***** wrote: >> >>> I have advised a number of people to hold off on installing SP3 for >>> obvious reasons. >>> >> >> There are no "obvious reasons" that we know of. could you cite some >> examples! In fact it seems that you are not qualified to "advise" people >> whether or not to install SP3 because your knowledge seems to be very >> elementary. >> >> hth >> >> > The obvious reasons for holding off are all over this newsgroup - > approximately 30% of the discussions here are related to problems with the > damn service pack. > > The use of "obvious" was in reference to a significant number of users > reporting major system problems with either installation or dysfunctional > problems with the OS after installation. > > Windows XP is considered the most stable OS that Microsoft has made > available to users and the SP3 package has caused havoc with it. > > Now, what are you qualified to talk about? > > Fred
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