WinXP --&gt; Win98 Dial Up (direct)

"Harvey" <harveyab@juno.com> wrote in message

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> On Jun 9, 3:19 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:

>> I have been able to set up my Win98 computer to directly dial up my

>> WinXP computer and get access to my LAN (connected to my WinXP

>> computer).

>> I want to do it the other way too.

>> From WinXP directly dial up my Win98 and get access to the LAN

>> connected to it.

>> The connection in rejected after typing in the username, password and

>> domain.

>> The username I use is the same as I use to log onto Win98 on that

>> computer.

>> The domain is the name of the Win98 computer.

>> Where might I start looking for the problem.

>>

>> Thanks

>> Harvey

>

> Any help here?

> I have it working the other way around, Win98 --> WinXP.

> Is it possible (without 3rd party SW)?

> TIA

> Harvey

June 11, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

Ah, is this really direct dial, as in remote desktop you are attempting?

Describe exactly what you want to be able to do, and what your present

problem is.

--

--

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"Harvey" <harveyab@juno.com> wrote in message

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| On Jun 9, 3:19 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:

| > I have been able to set up my Win98 computer to directly dial up my

| > WinXP computer and get access to my LAN (connected to my WinXP

| > computer).

| > I want to do it the other way too.

| > From WinXP directly dial up my Win98 and get access to the LAN

| > connected to it.

| > The connection in rejected after typing in the username, password and

| > domain.

| > The username I use is the same as I use to log onto Win98 on that

| > computer.

| > The domain is the name of the Win98 computer.

| > Where might I start looking for the problem.

| >

| > Thanks

| > Harvey

|

| Any help here?

| I have it working the other way around, Win98 --> WinXP.

| Is it possible (without 3rd party SW)?

| TIA

| Harvey

June 11, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

You have to fix the file version mismatch problem before attempting to

resolve the logon problem.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Harvey" <harveyab@juno.com> wrote in message

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> snip <

> Any help here?

> I have it working the other way around, Win98 --> WinXP.

> Is it possible (without 3rd party SW)?

> TIA

> Harvey

June 12, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

On Jun 11, 9:27 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> Such an impatient soul. Now I see why you overwrote all those files... You

> didn't take the time to think abut what the error message was really saying.

>

> The only people I can think of that might know what you overwrote, which

> Updates might restore the proper files, are long gone from the Windows 98

> milieu. But, if you can develop some patience, I might just get around to

> building a fresh test machine and figuring it out for you. Do you think you

> can be patient?

>

> Then again, from what I can tell, this is just a game for you. Maybe I

> should just let you go play your game. YOU flatten your machine, rebuild it,

> do the Updating thing and THEN install DUN Server again and see what files

> you are prompted to overwrite. Or is that a problem for you?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com

>

> "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message

>

> news:0f3c7e9b-c54c-4b1c-9b3f-21ae14688627@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Jun 9, 3:19 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:

> >> I have been able to set up my Win98 computer to directly dial up my

> >> WinXP computer and get access to my LAN (connected to my WinXP

> >> computer).

> >> I want to do it the other way too.

> >> From WinXP directly dial up my Win98 and get access to the LAN

> >> connected to it.

> >> The connection in rejected after typing in the username, password and

> >> domain.

> >> The username I use is the same as I use to log onto Win98 on that

> >> computer.

> >> The domain is the name of the Win98 computer.

> >> Where might I start looking for the problem.

>

> >> Thanks

> >> Harvey

>

> > Any help here?

> > I have it working the other way around, Win98 --> WinXP.

> > Is it possible (without 3rd party SW)?

> > TIA

> > Harvey

Gary you have been very helpful on my other thread.

Thank you.

Harvey

June 12, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

On Jun 11, 2:32 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

> You have to fix the file version mismatch problem before attempting to

> resolve the logon problem.

> --

> Jeff Richards

> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)"Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message

>

> news:0f3c7e9b-c54c-4b1c-9b3f-21ae14688627@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>

> > snip <

> > Any help here?

> > I have it working the other way around, Win98 --> WinXP.

> > Is it possible (without 3rd party SW)?

> > TIA

> > Harvey

That has been done now.

Thanks,

Harvey

June 13, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

Sorry, I went overboard with the sarcasm. It was intended to be

tongue-in-cheek, not as offensive as it turned out to be. Blame it on not

enough sleep and no caffeine.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/148899/

"Harvey" <harveyab@juno.com> wrote in message

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> On Jun 11, 9:27 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>> Such an impatient soul. Now I see why you overwrote all those files...

>> You

>> didn't take the time to think abut what the error message was really

>> saying.

>>

>> The only people I can think of that might know what you overwrote, which

>> Updates might restore the proper files, are long gone from the Windows 98

>> milieu. But, if you can develop some patience, I might just get around to

>> building a fresh test machine and figuring it out for you. Do you think

>> you

>> can be patient?

>>

>> Then again, from what I can tell, this is just a game for you. Maybe I

>> should just let you go play your game. YOU flatten your machine, rebuild

>> it,

>> do the Updating thing and THEN install DUN Server again and see what

>> files

>> you are prompted to overwrite. Or is that a problem for you?

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:0f3c7e9b-c54c-4b1c-9b3f-21ae14688627@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> > On Jun 9, 3:19 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:

>> >> I have been able to set up my Win98 computer to directly dial up my

>> >> WinXP computer and get access to my LAN (connected to my WinXP

>> >> computer).

>> >> I want to do it the other way too.

>> >> From WinXP directly dial up my Win98 and get access to the LAN

>> >> connected to it.

>> >> The connection in rejected after typing in the username, password and

>> >> domain.

>> >> The username I use is the same as I use to log onto Win98 on that

>> >> computer.

>> >> The domain is the name of the Win98 computer.

>> >> Where might I start looking for the problem.

>>

>> >> Thanks

>> >> Harvey

>>

>> > Any help here?

>> > I have it working the other way around, Win98 --> WinXP.

>> > Is it possible (without 3rd party SW)?

>> > TIA

>> > Harvey

>

> Gary you have been very helpful on my other thread.

> Thank you.

> Harvey

June 13, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

On Jun 11, 9:32 am, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ah, is this really direct dial, as in remote desktop you are attempting?

>

> Describe exactly what you want to be able to do, and what your present

> problem is.

It is not remote desktop. I want to access the files on the Win98

computer from the WinXP notebook while "on the road" using direct dial

up to my Win98 computer, not via the Internet. No third party SW

involved. Just want it to show up in "My Network Places." It works to

direct dial the other direction.

I get the prompt for Username, Password and Domain, but they are

rejected by the other (Win98) computer (Error 691. Access was denied

because the Username and/or password was invalid on the domain.) The

"Status" window on the Win98 DUN Server dialog shows "Monitoring",

"Answering", "Hanging Up" when trying. Where/how do I tell the Win98

DUN Server who can dial in? I can change the password with the

"Change Password" button, but aren't the passwords linked to

usernames? (That doesn't make sense to me.) Or do I even need a

Username. I have been trying with the same username and password I use

to log into Windows (on both computers). I have also tried leaving it

blank or the Domain blank. (It says that I don't need a Domain name.)

What use is the "Comment" field. When I have both connected to my

Ethernet LAN I have access to each from the other. I expect

(hopefully) to be able to access other things on my LAN via this DUN

connection.

I suspect the Domain name is my problem. I am using the name of my

Win98 computer. Does it want a dotted quad? On the "Connect" dialog

box (on the WinXP screen) it says "You can enter a domain name or

leave the domain field empty. (Domain names are not required for

connections to the Internet)". But since I am not connecting to the

Internet, I should need one, right?

ipconfig shows:

C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP>ipconfig/all | more

Windows 98 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . :

HARV950.domain_not_set.invalidDEST

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

68.238.128.12

Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast

NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No

NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

0 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : NDIS 5.0 driver

Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-D0-09-C6-0E-48

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.65

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 06 11 08 11:34:48 AM

Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 06 12 08 11:34:48 AM

1 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.

Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . :

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :

Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

2 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.

Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-01

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . :

DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

Primary WINS Server . . . . :

Secondary WINS Server . . . :

Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :

Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP>

Harvey

> --

> MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> --

> _________

>

> "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message

>

> news:0f3c7e9b-c54c-4b1c-9b3f-21ae14688627@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> | On Jun 9, 3:19 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:

> | > I have been able to set up my Win98 computer to directly dial up my

> | > WinXP computer and get access to my LAN (connected to my WinXP

> | > computer).

> | > I want to do it the other way too.

> | > From WinXP directly dial up my Win98 and get access to the LAN

> | > connected to it.

> | > The connection in rejected after typing in the username, password and

> | > domain.

> | > The username I use is the same as I use to log onto Win98 on that

> | > computer.

> | > The domain is the name of the Win98 computer.

> | > Where might I start looking for the problem.

> | >

> | > Thanks

> | > Harvey

> |

> | Any help here?

> | I have it working the other way around, Win98 --> WinXP.

> | Is it possible (without 3rd party SW)?

> | TIA

> | Harvey

June 13, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

Is this it? Error message, "The computer you have dialed in to has denied

access because the username and/or password is invalid on the domain."

A reference I thought might help, though I don't think it's the issue here.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/145843

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://ludit.kuleuven.be/internet/kotnet/savepasw.html

"Harvey" <harveyab@juno.com> wrote in message

news:0f3c7e9b-c54c-4b1c-9b3f-21ae14688627@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 9, 3:19 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:

>> I have been able to set up my Win98 computer to directly dial up my

>> WinXP computer and get access to my LAN (connected to my WinXP

>> computer).

>> I want to do it the other way too.

>> From WinXP directly dial up my Win98 and get access to the LAN

>> connected to it.

>> The connection in rejected after typing in the username, password and

>> domain.

>> The username I use is the same as I use to log onto Win98 on that

>> computer.

>> The domain is the name of the Win98 computer.

>> Where might I start looking for the problem.

>>

>> Thanks

>> Harvey

>

> Any help here?

> I have it working the other way around, Win98 --> WinXP.

> Is it possible (without 3rd party SW)?

> TIA

> Harvey

June 13, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

On Jun 12, 5:01 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> Sorry, I went overboard with the sarcasm. It was intended to be

> tongue-in-cheek, not as offensive as it turned out to be. Blame it on not

> enough sleep and no caffeine.

Ah, thank you.

Again, I appreciate all your help.

Harvey

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com

>

> "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message

>

> news:298d0475-721a-4145-bf0e-57a102ba30da@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Jun 11, 9:27 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> >> Such an impatient soul. Now I see why you overwrote all those files...

> >> You

> >> didn't take the time to think abut what the error message was really

> >> saying.

>

> >> The only people I can think of that might know what you overwrote, which

> >> Updates might restore the proper files, are long gone from the Windows 98

> >> milieu. But, if you can develop some patience, I might just get around to

> >> building a fresh test machine and figuring it out for you. Do you think

> >> you

> >> can be patient?

>

> >> Then again, from what I can tell, this is just a game for you. Maybe I

> >> should just let you go play your game. YOU flatten your machine, rebuild

> >> it,

> >> do the Updating thing and THEN install DUN Server again and see what

> >> files

> >> you are prompted to overwrite. Or is that a problem for you?

>

> >> --

> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com

>

> >> "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message

>

> >>news:0f3c7e9b-c54c-4b1c-9b3f-21ae14688627@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>

> >> > On Jun 9, 3:19 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:

> >> >> I have been able to set up my Win98 computer to directly dial up my

> >> >> WinXP computer and get access to my LAN (connected to my WinXP

> >> >> computer).

> >> >> I want to do it the other way too.

> >> >> From WinXP directly dial up my Win98 and get access to the LAN

> >> >> connected to it.

> >> >> The connection in rejected after typing in the username, password and

> >> >> domain.

> >> >> The username I use is the same as I use to log onto Win98 on that

> >> >> computer.

> >> >> The domain is the name of the Win98 computer.

> >> >> Where might I start looking for the problem.

>

> >> >> Thanks

> >> >> Harvey

>

> >> > Any help here?

> >> > I have it working the other way around, Win98 --> WinXP.

> >> > Is it possible (without 3rd party SW)?

> >> > TIA

> >> > Harvey

>

> > Gary you have been very helpful on my other thread.

> > Thank you.

> > Harvey

June 13, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

"Harvey" <harveyab@juno.com> wrote in message

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| On Jun 11, 9:32 am, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:

| > Ah, is this really direct dial, as in remote desktop you are attempting?

| >

| > Describe exactly what you want to be able to do, and what your present

| > problem is.

|

| It is not remote desktop. I want to access the files on the Win98

| computer from the WinXP notebook while "on the road" using direct dial

| up to my Win98 computer, not via the Internet. No third party SW

| involved. Just want it to show up in "My Network Places." It works to

| direct dial the other direction.

By that you mean it works from 98 to XP correct?

Hmm, so you went through the complete DUN server setup on 98SE with actual

other computer name, having shared folders, etc..

What server type did you indicate?

Did you try scripting and/or VPN?

Do you have an actual Windows Logon name and password or do you bypass

logon?

Did you enable File and Printer sharing and set that up?

Did you set *share-level access*?

Did you check your firewall for port configuration?

IS THIS WHAT YOU DID?

Select the Server Types tab and check the following options: Log on to

network, Enable software compression, Require encrypted password, Require

data encryption and TCP/IP. Now click the TCP/IP Settings button

Check Server assigned IP address and Server assigned name server addresses.

Click OK

OR ALTERNATIVELY:

Click on the Server Type... button (or tab).

Select PPP: Windows 95, Windows NT 3.5, Internet from the "Type of Dial-Up

Server" pop-up list.

Turn off all of the listed options other than TCP/IP.

Click the TCP/IP Settings button at the bottom of this window.

Click Server assigned IP address on the top.

Click Specify name server addresses in the middle of the window. The section

below it should become active.

Enter the DNS number for the XP machine OR for your local machine with a

HOSTS file containing local network entries. Leave 0.0.0.0 in the two WINS

fields.

Click OK in all the open windows to save the settings.

Then close out of Dial-up Networking.

Did you or do you have these issues? The page includes a few fixes which

might be related to your issue. A couple are similar to the links Gary

posted.

|

| I get the prompt for Username, Password and Domain, but they are

| rejected by the other (Win98) computer (Error 691. Access was denied

| because the Username and/or password was invalid on the domain.) The

| "Status" window on the Win98 DUN Server dialog shows "Monitoring",

| "Answering", "Hanging Up" when trying. Where/how do I tell the Win98

| DUN Server who can dial in? I can change the password with the

| "Change Password" button, but aren't the passwords linked to

| usernames? (That doesn't make sense to me.) Or do I even need a

| Username. I have been trying with the same username and password I use

| to log into Windows (on both computers). I have also tried leaving it

| blank or the Domain blank. (It says that I don't need a Domain name.)

| What use is the "Comment" field. When I have both connected to my

| Ethernet LAN I have access to each from the other. I expect

| (hopefully) to be able to access other things on my LAN via this DUN

| connection.

If you intend this extended type of connection which you indicate above,

then you should really use VPN. Look at C:\WINDOWS\HELP\VPN.CHM,

C:\WINDOWS\HELP\DIALER.CHM, C:\WINDOWS\HELP\WINDOWS.CHM,

C:\WINDOWS\HELP\RNAAPP.CHM, and C:\WINDOWS\HELP\NETWORK.CHM.

http://blogs.technet.com/rrasblog/archive/2006/06/14/which-ports-to-unblock-for-vpn-traffic-to-pass-through.aspx

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/bb531150.aspx

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325034 - troubleshoot VPN

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/bb545442.aspx

http://search.technet.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?brand=technet&refinement=&lang=&locale=en-us&query=L2TP%2fIPsec%20update%20for%2098

http://www.umassd.edu/cits/wireless/vpnforwin98_me.pdf - a good reference

Or a 2002 VPN L2TP/IPsec for 98:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324915/en-us

http://download.microsoft.com/download/win98/Install/1.0/W9XNT4Me/EN-US/msl2tp.exe -

be cautious with this one...

WHEW, that's more information you likely don't need or want.

|

| I suspect the Domain name is my problem. I am using the name of my

| Win98 computer. Does it want a dotted quad? On the "Connect" dialog

| box (on the WinXP screen) it says "You can enter a domain name or

| leave the domain field empty. (Domain names are not required for

| connections to the Internet)". But since I am not connecting to the

| Internet, I should need one, right?

| ipconfig shows:

|

| C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP>ipconfig/all | more

|

| Windows 98 IP Configuration

|

| Host Name . . . . . . . . . :

| HARV950.domain_not_set.invalidDEST

| DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

| 68.238.128.12

| Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast

| NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :

| IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No

| WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No

| NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

|

| 0 Ethernet adapter :

|

| Description . . . . . . . . : NDIS 5.0 driver

|

| Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-D0-09-C6-0E-48

| DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

| IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.65

| Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

| Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

| DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1

| Primary WINS Server . . . . :

| Secondary WINS Server . . . :

| Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 06 11 08 11:34:48 AM

| Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 06 12 08 11:34:48 AM

|

| 1 Ethernet adapter :

|

| Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.

| Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00

| DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

| IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

| Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

| Default Gateway . . . . . . :

| DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

| Primary WINS Server . . . . :

| Secondary WINS Server . . . :

| Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :

| Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

|

| 2 Ethernet adapter :

|

| Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.

| Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-01

| DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

| IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

| Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0

| Default Gateway . . . . . . :

| DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255

| Primary WINS Server . . . . :

| Secondary WINS Server . . . :

| Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :

| Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

|

| C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP>

|

| Harvey

|

| > --

| > MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Harvey" <harve...@juno.com> wrote in message

| >

news:0f3c7e9b-c54c-4b1c-9b3f-21ae14688627@c19g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

| > | On Jun 9, 3:19 pm, Harvey <harve...@juno.com> wrote:

| > | > I have been able to set up my Win98 computer to directly dial up my

| > | > WinXP computer and get access to my LAN (connected to my WinXP

| > | > computer).

| > | > I want to do it the other way too.

| > | > From WinXP directly dial up my Win98 and get access to the LAN

| > | > connected to it.

| > | > The connection in rejected after typing in the username, password

and

| > | > domain.

| > | > The username I use is the same as I use to log onto Win98 on that

| > | > computer.

| > | > The domain is the name of the Win98 computer.

| > | > Where might I start looking for the problem.

| > | >

| > | > Thanks

| > | > Harvey

| > |

| > | Any help here?

| > | I have it working the other way around, Win98 --> WinXP.

| > | Is it possible (without 3rd party SW)?

| > | TIA

| > | Harvey

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

June 13, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

After searching around for DUN/VPN server issues, I thought maybe a web

page might be in order.

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/dun_vpn_diag.htm

--

--

_________

June 13, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

Those advertising pop-ups on your site suck big time. And, yes, I know how

to block pop-ups, but then I have to turn the blocker off for when I need

pop-ups, which is regularly. Fact is, my normal surfing these days is fairly

popup-free except for the necessary ones. But your pop-ups are particularly

insidious. If you haven't actually experienced them, I suggest you check

them out.

For someone so concerned about internet intrusions, you sure have a

hypocritical attitude about the advertising you use.

For those of you caught in Maurice's pop-up problem, right-click the button

on the taskbar and close. Anything else will just lead to more crap.

And, Maurice, if the advertising is coming from orgfree.com, then I suggest

that there are some quite inexpensive alternatives that include your own

full domain name, etc. I pay ~$10/month for mine, but I could get it for a

LOT less if I were in the mood to switch. (here, for instance

http://hosting.aplus.net/) I am secure in the knowledge that I am in total

control of the content my can visitors receive (though, of course, whether

they want to see the content or not is up to them.) One thing I *certainly*

wouldn't countenance is that crap on your site.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/dun_vpn_diag.htm

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:uhaQ6MZzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

> After searching around for DUN/VPN server issues, I thought maybe a web

> page might be in order.

>

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

June 13, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

DUHHHH, those aren't MY popups.... those come from the *free* service. Might

try only enabling popups from sites you actually want them from... do you

need some help configuring that, or do you think you can find that

information. Google would be your friend for this, do you know how to use

Google?

IF you need help, start a new discussion and I'll walk you through the

techniques and changes necessary...

--

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:%23nTzTfZzIHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| Those advertising pop-ups on your site suck big time. And, yes, I know how

| to block pop-ups, but then I have to turn the blocker off for when I need

| pop-ups, which is regularly. Fact is, my normal surfing these days is

fairly

| popup-free except for the necessary ones. But your pop-ups are

particularly

| insidious. If you haven't actually experienced them, I suggest you check

| them out.

|

| For someone so concerned about internet intrusions, you sure have a

| hypocritical attitude about the advertising you use.

|

| For those of you caught in Maurice's pop-up problem, right-click the

button

| on the taskbar and close. Anything else will just lead to more crap.

|

| And, Maurice, if the advertising is coming from orgfree.com, then I

suggest

| that there are some quite inexpensive alternatives that include your own

| full domain name, etc. I pay ~$10/month for mine, but I could get it for a

| LOT less if I were in the mood to switch. (here, for instance

| http://hosting.aplus.net/) I am secure in the knowledge that I am in total

| control of the content my can visitors receive (though, of course, whether

| they want to see the content or not is up to them.) One thing I

*certainly*

| wouldn't countenance is that crap on your site.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:uhaQ6MZzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| >

| > After searching around for DUN/VPN server issues, I thought maybe a web

| > page might be in order.

| >

| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/dun_vpn_diag.htm

| >

| > --

| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > --

| > _________

| >

|

June 13, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

1. I know they aren't yours, I said as much. But now it's clear that you

will willingly trade with your enemy in order to save a few bucks. Surely

you can find a free service with higher moral standards.

2. I don't know ahead of time which sites I go to use pop-ups. Some that I'm

accustomed to using change their procedures to using them. I so seldom have

problems with pop-ups that I simply turn them off for sites that can't stop

after one. Or remember to never go there again. Even the major commercial

sites that use them for simple advertising, don't make them of the "can't

close", endless pop-ups variety. Those types are reserved to the ninth

circle of hell.

In any case, for those of us who think YOU are responsible for whatever

tries to get into our computers when we go to YOUR site, I thought the

warning was warranted.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23c5XbuZzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> DUHHHH, those aren't MY popups.... those come from the *free* service.

> Might

> try only enabling popups from sites you actually want them from... do you

> need some help configuring that, or do you think you can find that

> information. Google would be your friend for this, do you know how to use

> Google?

>

> IF you need help, start a new discussion and I'll walk you through the

> techniques and changes necessary...

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:%23nTzTfZzIHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | Those advertising pop-ups on your site suck big time. And, yes, I know

> how

> | to block pop-ups, but then I have to turn the blocker off for when I

> need

> | pop-ups, which is regularly. Fact is, my normal surfing these days is

> fairly

> | popup-free except for the necessary ones. But your pop-ups are

> particularly

> | insidious. If you haven't actually experienced them, I suggest you check

> | them out.

> |

> | For someone so concerned about internet intrusions, you sure have a

> | hypocritical attitude about the advertising you use.

> |

> | For those of you caught in Maurice's pop-up problem, right-click the

> button

> | on the taskbar and close. Anything else will just lead to more crap.

> |

> | And, Maurice, if the advertising is coming from orgfree.com, then I

> suggest

> | that there are some quite inexpensive alternatives that include your own

> | full domain name, etc. I pay ~$10/month for mine, but I could get it for

> a

> | LOT less if I were in the mood to switch. (here, for instance

> | http://hosting.aplus.net/) I am secure in the knowledge that I am in

> total

> | control of the content my can visitors receive (though, of course,

> whether

> | they want to see the content or not is up to them.) One thing I

> *certainly*

> | wouldn't countenance is that crap on your site.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> |

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:uhaQ6MZzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> | >

> | > After searching around for DUN/VPN server issues, I thought maybe a

> web

> | > page might be in order.

> | >

> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/dun_vpn_diag.htm

> | >

> | > --

> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> |

>

June 14, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:eHRcd5ZzIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| 1. I know they aren't yours, I said as much. But now it's clear that you

| will willingly trade with your enemy in order to save a few bucks. Surely

| you can find a free service with higher moral standards.

|

| 2. I don't know ahead of time which sites I go to use pop-ups. Some that

I'm

| accustomed to using change their procedures to using them. I so seldom

have

| problems with pop-ups that I simply turn them off for sites that can't

stop

| after one. Or remember to never go there again. Even the major commercial

| sites that use them for simple advertising, don't make them of the "can't

| close", endless pop-ups variety. Those types are reserved to the ninth

| circle of hell.

|

| In any case, for those of us who think YOU are responsible for whatever

| tries to get into our computers when we go to YOUR site, I thought the

| warning was warranted.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

Well, then you haven't been party to any of the discussions with the service

operators, have you... gees I even posted indication of this several times

in this group..

Just as YOU want everything, right now, and don't care how you get it, so

do the operators of that service... I find it quite amusing that you

continue to subject yourself to tracking cookies, popups, and other junk

which can easily be blocked by one who bothers to look for methods to do so,

particularly as you are an MVP for the Windows OSs.

As for where else to put my site, seems most people are just like you

apparently are, when confronted with a pro bono site for which I have no

more intention to supply cost out of my own pocket, they feel they should

make some type of money from it. I thought the materials relevant enough to

put it in the public rather than as the limited VPN it was for years. Not

that many people actually appreciate the site, since it deals with reality

rather than daily junk, mindless ramblings, and misdirections based largely

upon the thin air that seems to be what the video/TV/gaming/scripted

unreality public presently desires and gets lost in Seems the students find

some of the materials useful, and the materials were used for awhile in

various courses offered, but then that would make them potentially as the

apparently hated intellectuals in America.

Soooo, if you want to stop the operators from doing what they are, why not

drop them an email or two explaining your position on their service. There

is a contact address for them on the main orgfree service page.

--

--

_________

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:%23c5XbuZzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > DUHHHH, those aren't MY popups.... those come from the *free* service.

| > Might

| > try only enabling popups from sites you actually want them from... do

you

| > need some help configuring that, or do you think you can find that

| > information. Google would be your friend for this, do you know how to

use

| > Google?

| >

| > IF you need help, start a new discussion and I'll walk you through the

| > techniques and changes necessary...

| >

| > --

| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:%23nTzTfZzIHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > | Those advertising pop-ups on your site suck big time. And, yes, I know

| > how

| > | to block pop-ups, but then I have to turn the blocker off for when I

| > need

| > | pop-ups, which is regularly. Fact is, my normal surfing these days is

| > fairly

| > | popup-free except for the necessary ones. But your pop-ups are

| > particularly

| > | insidious. If you haven't actually experienced them, I suggest you

check

| > | them out.

| > |

| > | For someone so concerned about internet intrusions, you sure have a

| > | hypocritical attitude about the advertising you use.

| > |

| > | For those of you caught in Maurice's pop-up problem, right-click the

| > button

| > | on the taskbar and close. Anything else will just lead to more crap.

| > |

| > | And, Maurice, if the advertising is coming from orgfree.com, then I

| > suggest

| > | that there are some quite inexpensive alternatives that include your

own

| > | full domain name, etc. I pay ~$10/month for mine, but I could get it

for

| > a

| > | LOT less if I were in the mood to switch. (here, for instance

| > | http://hosting.aplus.net/) I am secure in the knowledge that I am in

| > total

| > | control of the content my can visitors receive (though, of course,

| > whether

| > | they want to see the content or not is up to them.) One thing I

| > *certainly*

| > | wouldn't countenance is that crap on your site.

| > |

| > | --

| > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | http://grystmill.com

| > |

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:uhaQ6MZzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| > | >

| > | > After searching around for DUN/VPN server issues, I thought maybe a

| > web

| > | > page might be in order.

| > | >

| > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/dun_vpn_diag.htm

| > | >

| > | > --

| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > | > --

| > | > _________

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

June 14, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:OodnLtdzIHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:eHRcd5ZzIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | 1. I know they aren't yours, I said as much. But now it's clear that you

> | will willingly trade with your enemy in order to save a few bucks.

> Surely

> | you can find a free service with higher moral standards.

> |

> | 2. I don't know ahead of time which sites I go to use pop-ups. Some that

> I'm

> | accustomed to using change their procedures to using them. I so seldom

> have

> | problems with pop-ups that I simply turn them off for sites that can't

> stop

> | after one. Or remember to never go there again. Even the major

> commercial

> | sites that use them for simple advertising, don't make them of the

> "can't

> | close", endless pop-ups variety. Those types are reserved to the ninth

> | circle of hell.

> |

> | In any case, for those of us who think YOU are responsible for whatever

> | tries to get into our computers when we go to YOUR site, I thought the

> | warning was warranted.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> |

>

> Well, then you haven't been party to any of the discussions with the

> service

> operators, have you... gees I even posted indication of this several times

> in this group..

What's that, some excuse? Do you think I read every word you post? What do

you say, "Beware of my site, it has nasty stuff." You certainly don't put

that disclaimer on every one of your posts (which all have at least one link

to your site.)

And who are these "service operators"? If you're hinting at some fine-print

weasel out... I'm talking about YOU, Maurice, the self-annointed Pope of

security in this group. You don't feel just a little bit icky trading your

soul and selling your your site to purveyors of such objectionable crap,

crap that's totally rare outside the sex sites these days? I know, because I

leave my pop-up blocker off an go to all kinds of free sites, drivers

downloads, etc. I even click on the sex links every once in a while to see

what they're up to. The one I got at your site today is one I haven't seen

in a couple of years. Probably because it turned out not to get positive

results.

> Just as YOU want everything, right now, and don't care how you get it, so

> do the operators of that service... I find it quite amusing that you

> continue to subject yourself to tracking cookies, popups, and other junk

> which can easily be blocked by one who bothers to look for methods to do

> so,

> particularly as you are an MVP for the Windows OSs.

You haven't the slightest idea what I do to protect myself. I'm perfectly

well protected from anything getting into my machine that will cause me any

problems. Additionally, I keep TOTAL control of cookies, and I've already

explained that contrary to your opinion, I find pop-ups to be indispensible

in a lot of places I go, and I HATE whitelists. I also don't have much good

to say for anyone who lumps all this stuff together as BAD when in many if

not most cases outside the sex sites it works like it was intended to.

> As for where else to put my site, seems most people are just like you

> apparently are, when confronted with a pro bono site for which I have no

> more intention to supply cost out of my own pocket, they feel they should

> make some type of money from it. I thought the materials relevant enough

> to

> put it in the public rather than as the limited VPN it was for years. Not

> that many people actually appreciate the site, since it deals with reality

> rather than daily junk, mindless ramblings, and misdirections based

> largely

> upon the thin air that seems to be what the video/TV/gaming/scripted

> unreality public presently desires and gets lost in Seems the students

> find

> some of the materials useful, and the materials were used for awhile in

> various courses offered, but then that would make them potentially as the

> apparently hated intellectuals in America.

>

> Soooo, if you want to stop the operators from doing what they are, why not

> drop them an email or two explaining your position on their service. There

> is a contact address for them on the main orgfree service page.

Those last two paragraphs are unintelligible. Care to try again? You're

saying that *I* want to make money from your site? That I make money from

mine? What? And who cares who goes to your site and why? When you send

people there from here, where you have a certain reputation, posting CERTs,

trying to get me any way you can to discuss comparative OSes especially with

regard to security (when it's obvious that I couldn't care less), one would

not expect the site to be so sleazy. If *I* were seriously interested in

your writings (and I have read at least some of your stuff), I would

certainly be offput by the crap invasion and would have second and third

thoughts as to your seriousness and dedication to your declared values.

Anyway, as I said, my primary point was to WARN PEOPLE THAT MEB's SITE IS

FULL OF INVASIVE CRAPWARE. That MEB is such a weasel that he can only say

that it's not HIS site but his HOST's site that is doing the nasty, that he

has no control over that situation. Think about the logic in that last

sentence and then ask yourself, "Just who is this MEB dude, really?"

I've already answered that one, posted those answers a few times, and I've

yet to see you prove me wrong. In fact, just the opposite, you continue to

amaze me with your hypocrisies.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:%23c5XbuZzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | > DUHHHH, those aren't MY popups.... those come from the *free* service.

> | > Might

> | > try only enabling popups from sites you actually want them from... do

> you

> | > need some help configuring that, or do you think you can find that

> | > information. Google would be your friend for this, do you know how to

> use

> | > Google?

> | >

> | > IF you need help, start a new discussion and I'll walk you through the

> | > techniques and changes necessary...

> | >

> | > --

> | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > --

> | > _________

> | >

> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | > news:%23nTzTfZzIHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | > | Those advertising pop-ups on your site suck big time. And, yes, I

> know

> | > how

> | > | to block pop-ups, but then I have to turn the blocker off for when I

> | > need

> | > | pop-ups, which is regularly. Fact is, my normal surfing these days

> is

> | > fairly

> | > | popup-free except for the necessary ones. But your pop-ups are

> | > particularly

> | > | insidious. If you haven't actually experienced them, I suggest you

> check

> | > | them out.

> | > |

> | > | For someone so concerned about internet intrusions, you sure have a

> | > | hypocritical attitude about the advertising you use.

> | > |

> | > | For those of you caught in Maurice's pop-up problem, right-click the

> | > button

> | > | on the taskbar and close. Anything else will just lead to more crap.

> | > |

> | > | And, Maurice, if the advertising is coming from orgfree.com, then I

> | > suggest

> | > | that there are some quite inexpensive alternatives that include your

> own

> | > | full domain name, etc. I pay ~$10/month for mine, but I could get it

> for

> | > a

> | > | LOT less if I were in the mood to switch. (here, for instance

> | > | http://hosting.aplus.net/) I am secure in the knowledge that I am in

> | > total

> | > | control of the content my can visitors receive (though, of course,

> | > whether

> | > | they want to see the content or not is up to them.) One thing I

> | > *certainly*

> | > | wouldn't countenance is that crap on your site.

> | > |

> | > | --

> | > | Gary S. Terhune

> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > | http://grystmill.com

> | > |

> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | > | news:uhaQ6MZzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> | > | >

> | > | > After searching around for DUN/VPN server issues, I thought maybe

> a

> | > web

> | > | > page might be in order.

> | > | >

> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/dun_vpn_diag.htm

> | > | >

> | > | > --

> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > --

> | > | > _________

> | > | >

> | > |

> | >

> |

>

June 14, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

Alright Gary, you want the gloves off,, okay, I can handle that.

So tell this group in your infinite wisdom why you are so friggin ignorant

that you fail to understand how and why you block all this crap being shoved

down the throats of the users on the Web... come on hot shot, explain WHY

you think all of this is good,,,, tell us all about how YOU secure your

systems.

By the way, just what is it that you have done recently for the good of

mankind... I'll wait for several years for you to dream up some kind of

story.. what VALUE do you have to mankind, what's your purpose on this

planet... I realize you have value to the dog world,, but hey, there's a lot

of other animals out there...

As for my site,, its ranked and indexed,, move it again [as was done

because of the last idiots running that prior service] and all that's

gone... so how's you site doing Gary? Want some more help with making your

web pages???

Hypocrite for security? Hardly. I happen to have directed to various

security issues ON the site... and **repeatedly** IN this group. So when

have you done that recently? Or is this dumb little tirade your vain

attempt.

Go take your pills Gary, and find Dan, I think you guys need to help each

other...

--

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:%23JEm8KezIHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:OodnLtdzIHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| >

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:eHRcd5ZzIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > | 1. I know they aren't yours, I said as much. But now it's clear that

you

| > | will willingly trade with your enemy in order to save a few bucks.

| > Surely

| > | you can find a free service with higher moral standards.

| > |

| > | 2. I don't know ahead of time which sites I go to use pop-ups. Some

that

| > I'm

| > | accustomed to using change their procedures to using them. I so seldom

| > have

| > | problems with pop-ups that I simply turn them off for sites that can't

| > stop

| > | after one. Or remember to never go there again. Even the major

| > commercial

| > | sites that use them for simple advertising, don't make them of the

| > "can't

| > | close", endless pop-ups variety. Those types are reserved to the ninth

| > | circle of hell.

| > |

| > | In any case, for those of us who think YOU are responsible for

whatever

| > | tries to get into our computers when we go to YOUR site, I thought the

| > | warning was warranted.

| > |

| > | --

| > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | http://grystmill.com

| > |

| >

| > Well, then you haven't been party to any of the discussions with the

| > service

| > operators, have you... gees I even posted indication of this several

times

| > in this group..

|

| What's that, some excuse? Do you think I read every word you post? What do

| you say, "Beware of my site, it has nasty stuff." You certainly don't put

| that disclaimer on every one of your posts (which all have at least one

link

| to your site.)

|

| And who are these "service operators"? If you're hinting at some

fine-print

| weasel out... I'm talking about YOU, Maurice, the self-annointed Pope of

| security in this group. You don't feel just a little bit icky trading your

| soul and selling your your site to purveyors of such objectionable crap,

| crap that's totally rare outside the sex sites these days? I know, because

I

| leave my pop-up blocker off an go to all kinds of free sites, drivers

| downloads, etc. I even click on the sex links every once in a while to see

| what they're up to. The one I got at your site today is one I haven't seen

| in a couple of years. Probably because it turned out not to get positive

| results.

|

| > Just as YOU want everything, right now, and don't care how you get it,

so

| > do the operators of that service... I find it quite amusing that you

| > continue to subject yourself to tracking cookies, popups, and other junk

| > which can easily be blocked by one who bothers to look for methods to do

| > so,

| > particularly as you are an MVP for the Windows OSs.

|

| You haven't the slightest idea what I do to protect myself. I'm perfectly

| well protected from anything getting into my machine that will cause me

any

| problems. Additionally, I keep TOTAL control of cookies, and I've already

| explained that contrary to your opinion, I find pop-ups to be

indispensible

| in a lot of places I go, and I HATE whitelists. I also don't have much

good

| to say for anyone who lumps all this stuff together as BAD when in many if

| not most cases outside the sex sites it works like it was intended to.

|

| > As for where else to put my site, seems most people are just like you

| > apparently are, when confronted with a pro bono site for which I have no

| > more intention to supply cost out of my own pocket, they feel they

should

| > make some type of money from it. I thought the materials relevant enough

| > to

| > put it in the public rather than as the limited VPN it was for years.

Not

| > that many people actually appreciate the site, since it deals with

reality

| > rather than daily junk, mindless ramblings, and misdirections based

| > largely

| > upon the thin air that seems to be what the video/TV/gaming/scripted

| > unreality public presently desires and gets lost in Seems the students

| > find

| > some of the materials useful, and the materials were used for awhile in

| > various courses offered, but then that would make them potentially as

the

| > apparently hated intellectuals in America.

| >

| > Soooo, if you want to stop the operators from doing what they are, why

not

| > drop them an email or two explaining your position on their service.

There

| > is a contact address for them on the main orgfree service page.

|

| Those last two paragraphs are unintelligible. Care to try again? You're

| saying that *I* want to make money from your site? That I make money from

| mine? What? And who cares who goes to your site and why? When you send

| people there from here, where you have a certain reputation, posting

CERTs,

| trying to get me any way you can to discuss comparative OSes especially

with

| regard to security (when it's obvious that I couldn't care less), one

would

| not expect the site to be so sleazy. If *I* were seriously interested in

| your writings (and I have read at least some of your stuff), I would

| certainly be offput by the crap invasion and would have second and third

| thoughts as to your seriousness and dedication to your declared values.

|

| Anyway, as I said, my primary point was to WARN PEOPLE THAT MEB's SITE IS

| FULL OF INVASIVE CRAPWARE. That MEB is such a weasel that he can only say

| that it's not HIS site but his HOST's site that is doing the nasty, that

he

| has no control over that situation. Think about the logic in that last

| sentence and then ask yourself, "Just who is this MEB dude, really?"

|

| I've already answered that one, posted those answers a few times, and I've

| yet to see you prove me wrong. In fact, just the opposite, you continue to

| amaze me with your hypocrisies.

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| >

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:%23c5XbuZzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > | > DUHHHH, those aren't MY popups.... those come from the *free*

service.

| > | > Might

| > | > try only enabling popups from sites you actually want them from...

do

| > you

| > | > need some help configuring that, or do you think you can find that

| > | > information. Google would be your friend for this, do you know how

to

| > use

| > | > Google?

| > | >

| > | > IF you need help, start a new discussion and I'll walk you through

the

| > | > techniques and changes necessary...

| > | >

| > | > --

| > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > | > --

| > | > _________

| > | >

| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > | > news:%23nTzTfZzIHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > | > | Those advertising pop-ups on your site suck big time. And, yes, I

| > know

| > | > how

| > | > | to block pop-ups, but then I have to turn the blocker off for when

I

| > | > need

| > | > | pop-ups, which is regularly. Fact is, my normal surfing these days

| > is

| > | > fairly

| > | > | popup-free except for the necessary ones. But your pop-ups are

| > | > particularly

| > | > | insidious. If you haven't actually experienced them, I suggest you

| > check

| > | > | them out.

| > | > |

| > | > | For someone so concerned about internet intrusions, you sure have

a

| > | > | hypocritical attitude about the advertising you use.

| > | > |

| > | > | For those of you caught in Maurice's pop-up problem, right-click

the

| > | > button

| > | > | on the taskbar and close. Anything else will just lead to more

crap.

| > | > |

| > | > | And, Maurice, if the advertising is coming from orgfree.com, then

I

| > | > suggest

| > | > | that there are some quite inexpensive alternatives that include

your

| > own

| > | > | full domain name, etc. I pay ~$10/month for mine, but I could get

it

| > for

| > | > a

| > | > | LOT less if I were in the mood to switch. (here, for instance

| > | > | http://hosting.aplus.net/) I am secure in the knowledge that I am

in

| > | > total

| > | > | control of the content my can visitors receive (though, of course,

| > | > whether

| > | > | they want to see the content or not is up to them.) One thing I

| > | > *certainly*

| > | > | wouldn't countenance is that crap on your site.

| > | > |

| > | > | --

| > | > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | > | http://grystmill.com

| > | > |

| > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | > | news:uhaQ6MZzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| > | > | >

| > | > | > After searching around for DUN/VPN server issues, I thought

maybe

| > a

| > | > web

| > | > | > page might be in order.

| > | > | >

| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/dun_vpn_diag.htm

| > | > | >

| > | > | > --

| > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > | > | > --

| > | > | > _________

| > | > | >

| > | > |

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

June 14, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:e8XnHlezIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| Alright Gary, you want the gloves off,, okay, I can handle that.

|

| So tell this group in your infinite wisdom why you are so friggin

ignorant

| that you fail to understand how and why you block all this crap being

shoved

| down the throats of the users on the Web... come on hot shot, explain

WHY

| you think all of this is good,,,, tell us all about how YOU secure your

| systems.

|

| By the way, just what is it that you have done recently for the good of

| mankind... I'll wait for several years for you to dream up some kind of

| story.. what VALUE do you have to mankind, what's your purpose on this

| planet... I realize you have value to the dog world,, but hey, there's a

lot

| of other animals out there...

|

| As for my site,, its ranked and indexed,, move it again [as was done

| because of the last idiots running that prior service] and all that's

| gone... so how's you site doing Gary? Want some more help with making

your

| web pages???

|

| Hypocrite for security? Hardly. I happen to have directed to various

| security issues ON the site... and **repeatedly** IN this group. So when

| have you done that recently? Or is this dumb little tirade your vain

| attempt.

|

| Go take your pills Gary, and find Dan, I think you guys need to help

each

| other...

<snip>

Well, you have "told" me, after reading your latest post, and actually

having a look at your "official" site.

Beyond any doubt your massive ego, and over inflated opinion of your worth

is obvious.

June 14, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

Just like you to change the subject. What's the matter? Got no good answers

so you attack me instead? Like you always turn the discussion to your

favorite topic, SECURITY!!!, and make me the boogy man. You try it just

about every day. The answer will always be the same: Your side lost. The

security or lack thereof in Win98 is more and more meaningless and will

become more and more meaningless every day. It's like driving a Model-T on

the freeway. Stupid and crazy. (Not that there aren't plenty of stupid and

crazy people out there.)

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:e8XnHlezIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Alright Gary, you want the gloves off,, okay, I can handle that.

>

> So tell this group in your infinite wisdom why you are so friggin ignorant

> that you fail to understand how and why you block all this crap being

> shoved

> down the throats of the users on the Web... come on hot shot, explain WHY

> you think all of this is good,,,, tell us all about how YOU secure your

> systems.

>

> By the way, just what is it that you have done recently for the good of

> mankind... I'll wait for several years for you to dream up some kind of

> story.. what VALUE do you have to mankind, what's your purpose on this

> planet... I realize you have value to the dog world,, but hey, there's a

> lot

> of other animals out there...

>

> As for my site,, its ranked and indexed,, move it again [as was done

> because of the last idiots running that prior service] and all that's

> gone... so how's you site doing Gary? Want some more help with making your

> web pages???

>

> Hypocrite for security? Hardly. I happen to have directed to various

> security issues ON the site... and **repeatedly** IN this group. So when

> have you done that recently? Or is this dumb little tirade your vain

> attempt.

>

> Go take your pills Gary, and find Dan, I think you guys need to help each

> other...

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:%23JEm8KezIHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | news:OodnLtdzIHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | >

> | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | > news:eHRcd5ZzIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | > | 1. I know they aren't yours, I said as much. But now it's clear that

> you

> | > | will willingly trade with your enemy in order to save a few bucks.

> | > Surely

> | > | you can find a free service with higher moral standards.

> | > |

> | > | 2. I don't know ahead of time which sites I go to use pop-ups. Some

> that

> | > I'm

> | > | accustomed to using change their procedures to using them. I so

> seldom

> | > have

> | > | problems with pop-ups that I simply turn them off for sites that

> can't

> | > stop

> | > | after one. Or remember to never go there again. Even the major

> | > commercial

> | > | sites that use them for simple advertising, don't make them of the

> | > "can't

> | > | close", endless pop-ups variety. Those types are reserved to the

> ninth

> | > | circle of hell.

> | > |

> | > | In any case, for those of us who think YOU are responsible for

> whatever

> | > | tries to get into our computers when we go to YOUR site, I thought

> the

> | > | warning was warranted.

> | > |

> | > | --

> | > | Gary S. Terhune

> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > | http://grystmill.com

> | > |

> | >

> | > Well, then you haven't been party to any of the discussions with the

> | > service

> | > operators, have you... gees I even posted indication of this several

> times

> | > in this group..

> |

> | What's that, some excuse? Do you think I read every word you post? What

> do

> | you say, "Beware of my site, it has nasty stuff." You certainly don't

> put

> | that disclaimer on every one of your posts (which all have at least one

> link

> | to your site.)

> |

> | And who are these "service operators"? If you're hinting at some

> fine-print

> | weasel out... I'm talking about YOU, Maurice, the self-annointed Pope of

> | security in this group. You don't feel just a little bit icky trading

> your

> | soul and selling your your site to purveyors of such objectionable crap,

> | crap that's totally rare outside the sex sites these days? I know,

> because

> I

> | leave my pop-up blocker off an go to all kinds of free sites, drivers

> | downloads, etc. I even click on the sex links every once in a while to

> see

> | what they're up to. The one I got at your site today is one I haven't

> seen

> | in a couple of years. Probably because it turned out not to get positive

> | results.

> |

> | > Just as YOU want everything, right now, and don't care how you get it,

> so

> | > do the operators of that service... I find it quite amusing that you

> | > continue to subject yourself to tracking cookies, popups, and other

> junk

> | > which can easily be blocked by one who bothers to look for methods to

> do

> | > so,

> | > particularly as you are an MVP for the Windows OSs.

> |

> | You haven't the slightest idea what I do to protect myself. I'm

> perfectly

> | well protected from anything getting into my machine that will cause me

> any

> | problems. Additionally, I keep TOTAL control of cookies, and I've

> already

> | explained that contrary to your opinion, I find pop-ups to be

> indispensible

> | in a lot of places I go, and I HATE whitelists. I also don't have much

> good

> | to say for anyone who lumps all this stuff together as BAD when in many

> if

> | not most cases outside the sex sites it works like it was intended to.

> |

> | > As for where else to put my site, seems most people are just like you

> | > apparently are, when confronted with a pro bono site for which I have

> no

> | > more intention to supply cost out of my own pocket, they feel they

> should

> | > make some type of money from it. I thought the materials relevant

> enough

> | > to

> | > put it in the public rather than as the limited VPN it was for years.

> Not

> | > that many people actually appreciate the site, since it deals with

> reality

> | > rather than daily junk, mindless ramblings, and misdirections based

> | > largely

> | > upon the thin air that seems to be what the video/TV/gaming/scripted

> | > unreality public presently desires and gets lost in Seems the

> students

> | > find

> | > some of the materials useful, and the materials were used for awhile

> in

> | > various courses offered, but then that would make them potentially as

> the

> | > apparently hated intellectuals in America.

> | >

> | > Soooo, if you want to stop the operators from doing what they are, why

> not

> | > drop them an email or two explaining your position on their service.

> There

> | > is a contact address for them on the main orgfree service page.

> |

> | Those last two paragraphs are unintelligible. Care to try again? You're

> | saying that *I* want to make money from your site? That I make money

> from

> | mine? What? And who cares who goes to your site and why? When you send

> | people there from here, where you have a certain reputation, posting

> CERTs,

> | trying to get me any way you can to discuss comparative OSes especially

> with

> | regard to security (when it's obvious that I couldn't care less), one

> would

> | not expect the site to be so sleazy. If *I* were seriously interested in

> | your writings (and I have read at least some of your stuff), I would

> | certainly be offput by the crap invasion and would have second and third

> | thoughts as to your seriousness and dedication to your declared values.

> |

> | Anyway, as I said, my primary point was to WARN PEOPLE THAT MEB's SITE

> IS

> | FULL OF INVASIVE CRAPWARE. That MEB is such a weasel that he can only

> say

> | that it's not HIS site but his HOST's site that is doing the nasty, that

> he

> | has no control over that situation. Think about the logic in that last

> | sentence and then ask yourself, "Just who is this MEB dude, really?"

> |

> | I've already answered that one, posted those answers a few times, and

> I've

> | yet to see you prove me wrong. In fact, just the opposite, you continue

> to

> | amaze me with your hypocrisies.

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> |

> | >

> | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | > | news:%23c5XbuZzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | > | > DUHHHH, those aren't MY popups.... those come from the *free*

> service.

> | > | > Might

> | > | > try only enabling popups from sites you actually want them from...

> do

> | > you

> | > | > need some help configuring that, or do you think you can find that

> | > | > information. Google would be your friend for this, do you know how

> to

> | > use

> | > | > Google?

> | > | >

> | > | > IF you need help, start a new discussion and I'll walk you through

> the

> | > | > techniques and changes necessary...

> | > | >

> | > | > --

> | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > --

> | > | > _________

> | > | >

> | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> | > | > news:%23nTzTfZzIHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | > | > | Those advertising pop-ups on your site suck big time. And, yes,

> I

> | > know

> | > | > how

> | > | > | to block pop-ups, but then I have to turn the blocker off for

> when

> I

> | > | > need

> | > | > | pop-ups, which is regularly. Fact is, my normal surfing these

> days

> | > is

> | > | > fairly

> | > | > | popup-free except for the necessary ones. But your pop-ups are

> | > | > particularly

> | > | > | insidious. If you haven't actually experienced them, I suggest

> you

> | > check

> | > | > | them out.

> | > | > |

> | > | > | For someone so concerned about internet intrusions, you sure

> have

> a

> | > | > | hypocritical attitude about the advertising you use.

> | > | > |

> | > | > | For those of you caught in Maurice's pop-up problem, right-click

> the

> | > | > button

> | > | > | on the taskbar and close. Anything else will just lead to more

> crap.

> | > | > |

> | > | > | And, Maurice, if the advertising is coming from orgfree.com,

> then

> I

> | > | > suggest

> | > | > | that there are some quite inexpensive alternatives that include

> your

> | > own

> | > | > | full domain name, etc. I pay ~$10/month for mine, but I could

> get

> it

> | > for

> | > | > a

> | > | > | LOT less if I were in the mood to switch. (here, for instance

> | > | > | http://hosting.aplus.net/) I am secure in the knowledge that I

> am

> in

> | > | > total

> | > | > | control of the content my can visitors receive (though, of

> course,

> | > | > whether

> | > | > | they want to see the content or not is up to them.) One thing I

> | > | > *certainly*

> | > | > | wouldn't countenance is that crap on your site.

> | > | > |

> | > | > | --

> | > | > | Gary S. Terhune

> | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > | > | http://grystmill.com

> | > | > |

> | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> | > | > | news:uhaQ6MZzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > After searching around for DUN/VPN server issues, I thought

> maybe

> | > a

> | > | > web

> | > | > | > page might be in order.

> | > | > | >

> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/dun_vpn_diag.htm

> | > | > | >

> | > | > | > --

> | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> | > | > | > --

> | > | > | > _________

> | > | > | >

> | > | > |

> | > | >

> | > |

> | >

> |

>

June 14, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

No Gary, as usual, both you and Sunny have done the same stupid little

things your little minds always do on USENET. Here you are hijacking a

thread with mindless and stupid comments just so you have something to post.

YOU, Gary, started an attack just like YOU always do.

YOU previously attempted to label any who disagree with YOU and your XP

views as Luddites.

YOU have repeatedly attacked parties merely posting in this group for no

apparent reason other than you were having a bad day.

YOU have repeatedly attempted to bring me into this mindless stupidity of

yours.

This is a help group guys, take your mentally ill activities elsewhere and

seek some professional help. What you are receiving now apparently isn't

working..

Moreover, once again you are still spouting the same mindless Microsoft

adverti$ing crap you have spouted since you became a user... and still

having run nothing but those Microsoft products...

Like I said, take your meds, seek professional medical help, and try to

actually provide a useful function on this planet.

--

--

_________

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:O75a0efzIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| Just like you to change the subject. What's the matter? Got no good

answers

| so you attack me instead? Like you always turn the discussion to your

| favorite topic, SECURITY!!!, and make me the boogy man. You try it just

| about every day. The answer will always be the same: Your side lost. The

| security or lack thereof in Win98 is more and more meaningless and will

| become more and more meaningless every day. It's like driving a Model-T on

| the freeway. Stupid and crazy. (Not that there aren't plenty of stupid and

| crazy people out there.)

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:e8XnHlezIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > Alright Gary, you want the gloves off,, okay, I can handle that.

| >

| > So tell this group in your infinite wisdom why you are so friggin

ignorant

| > that you fail to understand how and why you block all this crap being

| > shoved

| > down the throats of the users on the Web... come on hot shot, explain

WHY

| > you think all of this is good,,,, tell us all about how YOU secure your

| > systems.

| >

| > By the way, just what is it that you have done recently for the good of

| > mankind... I'll wait for several years for you to dream up some kind of

| > story.. what VALUE do you have to mankind, what's your purpose on this

| > planet... I realize you have value to the dog world,, but hey, there's a

| > lot

| > of other animals out there...

| >

| > As for my site,, its ranked and indexed,, move it again [as was done

| > because of the last idiots running that prior service] and all that's

| > gone... so how's you site doing Gary? Want some more help with making

your

| > web pages???

| >

| > Hypocrite for security? Hardly. I happen to have directed to various

| > security issues ON the site... and **repeatedly** IN this group. So when

| > have you done that recently? Or is this dumb little tirade your vain

| > attempt.

| >

| > Go take your pills Gary, and find Dan, I think you guys need to help

each

| > other...

| >

| > --

| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > --

| > _________

| >

| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > news:%23JEm8KezIHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | news:OodnLtdzIHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > | >

| > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > | > news:eHRcd5ZzIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > | > | 1. I know they aren't yours, I said as much. But now it's clear

that

| > you

| > | > | will willingly trade with your enemy in order to save a few bucks.

| > | > Surely

| > | > | you can find a free service with higher moral standards.

| > | > |

| > | > | 2. I don't know ahead of time which sites I go to use pop-ups.

Some

| > that

| > | > I'm

| > | > | accustomed to using change their procedures to using them. I so

| > seldom

| > | > have

| > | > | problems with pop-ups that I simply turn them off for sites that

| > can't

| > | > stop

| > | > | after one. Or remember to never go there again. Even the major

| > | > commercial

| > | > | sites that use them for simple advertising, don't make them of the

| > | > "can't

| > | > | close", endless pop-ups variety. Those types are reserved to the

| > ninth

| > | > | circle of hell.

| > | > |

| > | > | In any case, for those of us who think YOU are responsible for

| > whatever

| > | > | tries to get into our computers when we go to YOUR site, I thought

| > the

| > | > | warning was warranted.

| > | > |

| > | > | --

| > | > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | > | http://grystmill.com

| > | > |

| > | >

| > | > Well, then you haven't been party to any of the discussions with the

| > | > service

| > | > operators, have you... gees I even posted indication of this several

| > times

| > | > in this group..

| > |

| > | What's that, some excuse? Do you think I read every word you post?

What

| > do

| > | you say, "Beware of my site, it has nasty stuff." You certainly don't

| > put

| > | that disclaimer on every one of your posts (which all have at least

one

| > link

| > | to your site.)

| > |

| > | And who are these "service operators"? If you're hinting at some

| > fine-print

| > | weasel out... I'm talking about YOU, Maurice, the self-annointed Pope

of

| > | security in this group. You don't feel just a little bit icky trading

| > your

| > | soul and selling your your site to purveyors of such objectionable

crap,

| > | crap that's totally rare outside the sex sites these days? I know,

| > because

| > I

| > | leave my pop-up blocker off an go to all kinds of free sites, drivers

| > | downloads, etc. I even click on the sex links every once in a while to

| > see

| > | what they're up to. The one I got at your site today is one I haven't

| > seen

| > | in a couple of years. Probably because it turned out not to get

positive

| > | results.

| > |

| > | > Just as YOU want everything, right now, and don't care how you get

it,

| > so

| > | > do the operators of that service... I find it quite amusing that

you

| > | > continue to subject yourself to tracking cookies, popups, and other

| > junk

| > | > which can easily be blocked by one who bothers to look for methods

to

| > do

| > | > so,

| > | > particularly as you are an MVP for the Windows OSs.

| > |

| > | You haven't the slightest idea what I do to protect myself. I'm

| > perfectly

| > | well protected from anything getting into my machine that will cause

me

| > any

| > | problems. Additionally, I keep TOTAL control of cookies, and I've

| > already

| > | explained that contrary to your opinion, I find pop-ups to be

| > indispensible

| > | in a lot of places I go, and I HATE whitelists. I also don't have much

| > good

| > | to say for anyone who lumps all this stuff together as BAD when in

many

| > if

| > | not most cases outside the sex sites it works like it was intended to.

| > |

| > | > As for where else to put my site, seems most people are just like

you

| > | > apparently are, when confronted with a pro bono site for which I

have

| > no

| > | > more intention to supply cost out of my own pocket, they feel they

| > should

| > | > make some type of money from it. I thought the materials relevant

| > enough

| > | > to

| > | > put it in the public rather than as the limited VPN it was for

years.

| > Not

| > | > that many people actually appreciate the site, since it deals with

| > reality

| > | > rather than daily junk, mindless ramblings, and misdirections based

| > | > largely

| > | > upon the thin air that seems to be what the video/TV/gaming/scripted

| > | > unreality public presently desires and gets lost in Seems the

| > students

| > | > find

| > | > some of the materials useful, and the materials were used for awhile

| > in

| > | > various courses offered, but then that would make them potentially

as

| > the

| > | > apparently hated intellectuals in America.

| > | >

| > | > Soooo, if you want to stop the operators from doing what they are,

why

| > not

| > | > drop them an email or two explaining your position on their service.

| > There

| > | > is a contact address for them on the main orgfree service page.

| > |

| > | Those last two paragraphs are unintelligible. Care to try again?

You're

| > | saying that *I* want to make money from your site? That I make money

| > from

| > | mine? What? And who cares who goes to your site and why? When you send

| > | people there from here, where you have a certain reputation, posting

| > CERTs,

| > | trying to get me any way you can to discuss comparative OSes

especially

| > with

| > | regard to security (when it's obvious that I couldn't care less), one

| > would

| > | not expect the site to be so sleazy. If *I* were seriously interested

in

| > | your writings (and I have read at least some of your stuff), I would

| > | certainly be offput by the crap invasion and would have second and

third

| > | thoughts as to your seriousness and dedication to your declared

values.

| > |

| > | Anyway, as I said, my primary point was to WARN PEOPLE THAT MEB's SITE

| > IS

| > | FULL OF INVASIVE CRAPWARE. That MEB is such a weasel that he can only

| > say

| > | that it's not HIS site but his HOST's site that is doing the nasty,

that

| > he

| > | has no control over that situation. Think about the logic in that last

| > | sentence and then ask yourself, "Just who is this MEB dude, really?"

| > |

| > | I've already answered that one, posted those answers a few times, and

| > I've

| > | yet to see you prove me wrong. In fact, just the opposite, you

continue

| > to

| > | amaze me with your hypocrisies.

| > |

| > | --

| > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | http://grystmill.com

| > |

| > | >

| > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | > | news:%23c5XbuZzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > | > | > DUHHHH, those aren't MY popups.... those come from the *free*

| > service.

| > | > | > Might

| > | > | > try only enabling popups from sites you actually want them

from...

| > do

| > | > you

| > | > | > need some help configuring that, or do you think you can find

that

| > | > | > information. Google would be your friend for this, do you know

how

| > to

| > | > use

| > | > | > Google?

| > | > | >

| > | > | > IF you need help, start a new discussion and I'll walk you

through

| > the

| > | > | > techniques and changes necessary...

| > | > | >

| > | > | > --

| > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > | > | > --

| > | > | > _________

| > | > | >

| > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

| > | > | > news:%23nTzTfZzIHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > | > | > | Those advertising pop-ups on your site suck big time. And,

yes,

| > I

| > | > know

| > | > | > how

| > | > | > | to block pop-ups, but then I have to turn the blocker off for

| > when

| > I

| > | > | > need

| > | > | > | pop-ups, which is regularly. Fact is, my normal surfing these

| > days

| > | > is

| > | > | > fairly

| > | > | > | popup-free except for the necessary ones. But your pop-ups are

| > | > | > particularly

| > | > | > | insidious. If you haven't actually experienced them, I suggest

| > you

| > | > check

| > | > | > | them out.

| > | > | > |

| > | > | > | For someone so concerned about internet intrusions, you sure

| > have

| > a

| > | > | > | hypocritical attitude about the advertising you use.

| > | > | > |

| > | > | > | For those of you caught in Maurice's pop-up problem,

right-click

| > the

| > | > | > button

| > | > | > | on the taskbar and close. Anything else will just lead to more

| > crap.

| > | > | > |

| > | > | > | And, Maurice, if the advertising is coming from orgfree.com,

| > then

| > I

| > | > | > suggest

| > | > | > | that there are some quite inexpensive alternatives that

include

| > your

| > | > own

| > | > | > | full domain name, etc. I pay ~$10/month for mine, but I could

| > get

| > it

| > | > for

| > | > | > a

| > | > | > | LOT less if I were in the mood to switch. (here, for instance

| > | > | > | http://hosting.aplus.net/) I am secure in the knowledge that I

| > am

| > in

| > | > | > total

| > | > | > | control of the content my can visitors receive (though, of

| > course,

| > | > | > whether

| > | > | > | they want to see the content or not is up to them.) One thing

I

| > | > | > *certainly*

| > | > | > | wouldn't countenance is that crap on your site.

| > | > | > |

| > | > | > | --

| > | > | > | Gary S. Terhune

| > | > | > | MS-MVP Shell/User

| > | > | > | http://grystmill.com

| > | > | > |

| > | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| > | > | > | news:uhaQ6MZzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | > | > After searching around for DUN/VPN server issues, I thought

| > maybe

| > | > a

| > | > | > web

| > | > | > | > page might be in order.

| > | > | > | >

| > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/dun_vpn_diag.htm

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | > | > --

| > | > | > | > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| > | > | > | > --

| > | > | > | > _________

| > | > | > | >

| > | > | > |

| > | > | >

| > | > |

| > | >

| > |

| >

|

June 14, 2008

Re: WinXP --> Win98 Dial Up (direct)

YOU are a FRAUD, MEB. I have no more to say to you. Go howl into the night!

<PLONK>

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:u%2314D1hzIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> No Gary, as usual, both you and Sunny have done the same stupid little

> things your little minds always do on USENET. Here you are hijacking a

> thread with mindless and stupid comments just so you have something to

> post.

>

> YOU, Gary, started an attack just like YOU always do.

> YOU previously attempted to label any who disagree with YOU and your XP

> views as Luddites.

> YOU have repeatedly attacked parties merely posting in this group for no

> apparent reason other than you were having a bad day.

> YOU have repeatedly attempted to bring me into this mindless stupidity of

> yours.

> This is a help group guys, take your mentally ill activities elsewhere and

> seek some professional help. What you are receiving now apparently isn't

> working..

>

> Moreover, once again you are still spouting the same mindless Microsoft

> adverti$ing crap you have spouted since you became a user... and still

> having run nothing but those Microsoft products...

>

> Like I said, take your meds, seek professional medical help, and try to

> actually provide a useful function on this planet.

>

> --

> --

> _________

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:O75a0efzIHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | Just like you to change the subject. What's the matter? Got no good

> answers

> | so you attack me instead? Like you always turn the discussion to your

> | favorite topic, SECURITY!!!, and make me the boogy man. You try it just

> | about every day. The answer will always be the same: Your side lost. The

> | security or lack thereof in Win98 is more and more meaningless and will

> | become more and more meaningless every day. It's like driving a Model-T

> on

> | the freeway. Stupid and crazy. (Not that there aren't plenty of stupid

> and

> | crazy people out there.)

> |

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User