How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

[Guest Veerle]

Hi,

 

I bought for my kids a cd with a Dora game for the pc: the dutch

version of "Dora's Dance to the Rescue" by Atari.

 

Because my kids are still very young (2,5 and 3,5 years old) I usualy

make images of game cds which I then mount as a separate drive. This

makes that there's no more need to change disks and makes sure the

original disks don't get damaged. I didn't follow this strategy from

the start and they already broke one game cd that I didn't make a

backup copy of. This Dora game although won't work as an image. It

detects that it's being used from a virtual drive and gives an error

message about it.

 

So I tried making a cd copy using Nero. But then the game complains

about not finding the original disk and won't work again. So I guess

something changed in the cd copy compared to the original disk? Is

there a way to make an exact copy of the game so that it will still

work? Maybe I need to use software other than Nero? Then I can just

put the original disk away for in case something happens to the copy.

I though everyone has the legal right to make copies of stuff you buy

for backup purposes? But what use I have for this legal right if the

copy doesn't work?

 

I have been searching Google and found stuff about people having the

same problem with other Atari games, but I couldn't find anything

about a working solution...

 

I think they should at least put a warning on the cd box that you're

unable to make a working backup of it, in that case I could notice it

in the store and would just buy another game. For me, it is to

important to be able to make an image or at least backup of it,

because one cd already got broken and that way it's just a waste of my

money.

 

Veerle

[Guest smh]

Re: How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

 

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For a start, go here:

http://www.gamecopyworld.com/

 

 

Veerle wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I bought for my kids a cd with a Dora game for the pc: the dutch

> version of "Dora's Dance to the Rescue" by Atari.

>

> Because my kids are still very young (2,5 and 3,5 years old) I usualy

> make images of game cds which I then mount as a separate drive. This

> makes that there's no more need to change disks and makes sure the

> original disks don't get damaged. I didn't follow this strategy from

> the start and they already broke one game cd that I didn't make a

> backup copy of. This Dora game although won't work as an image. It

> detects that it's being used from a virtual drive and gives an error

> message about it.

>

> So I tried making a cd copy using Nero. But then the game complains

> about not finding the original disk and won't work again. So I guess

> something changed in the cd copy compared to the original disk? Is

> there a way to make an exact copy of the game so that it will still

> work? Maybe I need to use software other than Nero? Then I can just

> put the original disk away for in case something happens to the copy.

> I though everyone has the legal right to make copies of stuff you buy

> for backup purposes? But what use I have for this legal right if the

> copy doesn't work?

>

> I have been searching Google and found stuff about people having the

> same problem with other Atari games, but I couldn't find anything

> about a working solution...

>

> I think they should at least put a warning on the cd box that you're

> unable to make a working backup of it, in that case I could notice it

> in the store and would just buy another game. For me, it is to

> important to be able to make an image or at least backup of it,

> because one cd already got broken and that way it's just a waste of my

> money.

>

> Veerle

[Guest sandy58]

Re: How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

 

On Jun 10, 6:37 am, Veerle <veerleve...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I bought for my kids a cd with a Dora game for the pc: the dutch

> version of "Dora's Dance to the Rescue" by Atari.

>

> Because my kids are still very young (2,5 and 3,5 years old) I usualy

> make images of game cds which I then mount as a separate drive. This

> makes that there's no more need to change disks and makes sure the

> original disks don't get damaged. I didn't follow this strategy from

> the start and they already broke one game cd that I didn't make a

> backup copy of. This Dora game although won't work as an image. It

> detects that it's being used from a virtual drive and gives an error

> message about it.

>

> So I tried making a cd copy using Nero. But then the game complains

> about not finding the original disk and won't work again. So I guess

> something changed in the cd copy compared to the original disk? Is

> there a way to make an exact copy of the game so that it will still

> work? Maybe I need to use software other than Nero? Then I can just

> put the original disk away for in case something happens to the copy.

> I though everyone has the legal right to make copies of stuff you buy

> for backup purposes? But what use I have for this legal right if the

> copy doesn't work?

>

> I have been searching Google and found stuff about people having the

> same problem with other Atari games, but I couldn't find anything

> about a working solution...

>

> I think they should at least put a warning on the cd box that you're

> unable to make a working backup of it, in that case I could notice it

> in the store and would just buy another game. For me, it is to

> important to be able to make an image or at least backup of it,

> because one cd already got broken and that way it's just a waste of my

> money.

>

> Veerle

 

http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_dora_dance_to_the_rescue.shtml

Taking smh's tip a little further. You need a "NoCD" crack for your

game, Veerle. This you paste into the game folder. I see in this link

that the Dutch version is "greyed-out" (inactive) but have a search

around. Repost if you have no luck.

[Guest Michael]

Re: How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

 

Veerle wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I bought for my kids a cd with a Dora game for the pc: the dutch

> version of "Dora's Dance to the Rescue" by Atari.

>

> Because my kids are still very young (2,5 and 3,5 years old) I usualy

> make images of game cds which I then mount as a separate drive. This

> makes that there's no more need to change disks and makes sure the

> original disks don't get damaged. I didn't follow this strategy from

> the start and they already broke one game cd that I didn't make a

> backup copy of. This Dora game although won't work as an image. It

> detects that it's being used from a virtual drive and gives an error

> message about it.

>

> So I tried making a cd copy using Nero. But then the game complains

> about not finding the original disk and won't work again. So I guess

> something changed in the cd copy compared to the original disk? Is

> there a way to make an exact copy of the game so that it will still

> work? Maybe I need to use software other than Nero? Then I can just

> put the original disk away for in case something happens to the copy.

> I though everyone has the legal right to make copies of stuff you buy

> for backup purposes? But what use I have for this legal right if the

> copy doesn't work?

>

> I have been searching Google and found stuff about people having the

> same problem with other Atari games, but I couldn't find anything

> about a working solution...

>

> I think they should at least put a warning on the cd box that you're

> unable to make a working backup of it, in that case I could notice it

> in the store and would just buy another game. For me, it is to

> important to be able to make an image or at least backup of it,

> because one cd already got broken and that way it's just a waste of my

> money.

>

> Veerle

I think this is a problem with your game, not the CD. You may try

installing the game from CD image and run it again.

[Guest RajKohli]

RE: How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

 

I am using Nero 6 Image Drive from last many years and never had a problem

using it like a Virtual CD Drive.

 

I always use the Nero Express's "Copy Entire Disc" option to backup an

entire CD as an exact copy of the original.

 

1. Start Nero Express

2. Click Copy Entire Disc option

3. In Source Drive and Destination Drive set the same CD/DVD writer you have

physically installed.

4. Click the Burn button and Nero file make a temporary image and then will

eject the original/source cd and will ask you to insert the blank disc.

 

That is all.

 

You can also use the same option to create Nero Images which later can be

open in Nero Image Drive (if it is being installed), so you don't have to

insert the original cd or burn a blank disc.

 

Click Copy Entire Disc and in the Destination Drive choose Image Recorder

then Nero will ask you where to save with what name? Specify a name and

location. But before making an disc image be sure that the Nero version you

are using have Nero ImageDrive option available. install the Nero Image Drive

first.

 

This feature is working for every image I use. Either it is a game or a

software.

 

Hope this help, let us know!

 

"Veerle" wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I bought for my kids a cd with a Dora game for the pc: the dutch

> version of "Dora's Dance to the Rescue" by Atari.

>

> Because my kids are still very young (2,5 and 3,5 years old) I usualy

> make images of game cds which I then mount as a separate drive. This

> makes that there's no more need to change disks and makes sure the

> original disks don't get damaged. I didn't follow this strategy from

> the start and they already broke one game cd that I didn't make a

> backup copy of. This Dora game although won't work as an image. It

> detects that it's being used from a virtual drive and gives an error

> message about it.

>

> So I tried making a cd copy using Nero. But then the game complains

> about not finding the original disk and won't work again. So I guess

> something changed in the cd copy compared to the original disk? Is

> there a way to make an exact copy of the game so that it will still

> work? Maybe I need to use software other than Nero? Then I can just

> put the original disk away for in case something happens to the copy.

> I though everyone has the legal right to make copies of stuff you buy

> for backup purposes? But what use I have for this legal right if the

> copy doesn't work?

>

> I have been searching Google and found stuff about people having the

> same problem with other Atari games, but I couldn't find anything

> about a working solution...

>

> I think they should at least put a warning on the cd box that you're

> unable to make a working backup of it, in that case I could notice it

> in the store and would just buy another game. For me, it is to

> important to be able to make an image or at least backup of it,

> because one cd already got broken and that way it's just a waste of my

> money.

>

> Veerle

>

[Guest dadiOH]

Re: How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

 

Veerle wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I bought for my kids a cd with a Dora game for the pc: the dutch

> version of "Dora's Dance to the Rescue" by Atari.

>

> Because my kids are still very young (2,5 and 3,5 years old) I usualy

> make images of game cds which I then mount as a separate drive. This

> makes that there's no more need to change disks and makes sure the

> original disks don't get damaged. I didn't follow this strategy from

> the start and they already broke one game cd that I didn't make a

> backup copy of. This Dora game although won't work as an image. It

> detects that it's being used from a virtual drive and gives an error

> message about it.

 

Does/did something get installed from the original CD? If so, it has

probably kept a record of the drive letter and when you try to use a virtual

CD the drive letter is different.

 

If that is the case you might try looking in the install folder for an ini

or cfg file; if found and drive letter is listed change it to the virtual

drive letter. Alternatively, change the virtual drive letter to that of the

install drive.

 

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[Guest Xandros]

Re: How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

 

I used Nero DriveImage too. Sometimes a game needs to look at drive letter

"D" as the location of the disc. Try changing drive letters so that your

virtual drive is letter D. If you don't know how you can right click My

Computer and select Manage to open Computer Management. Under the Storage

section left click on Disk Management. In the left window pane you will see

your drives. If another drive is listed as D you need to change it first.

Right click the device and select Change Drive letters and paths. Change the

letter to something else. Afterward you will have drive letter D free to

assign to the virtual drive.

 

--

 

Xandros

 

 

"Veerle" <veerleverbr@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:f342d5af-8b04-449f-9fc8-710dba47ad89@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> Hi,

>

> I bought for my kids a cd with a Dora game for the pc: the dutch

> version of "Dora's Dance to the Rescue" by Atari.

>

> Because my kids are still very young (2,5 and 3,5 years old) I usualy

> make images of game cds which I then mount as a separate drive. This

> makes that there's no more need to change disks and makes sure the

> original disks don't get damaged. I didn't follow this strategy from

> the start and they already broke one game cd that I didn't make a

> backup copy of. This Dora game although won't work as an image. It

> detects that it's being used from a virtual drive and gives an error

> message about it.

>

> So I tried making a cd copy using Nero. But then the game complains

> about not finding the original disk and won't work again. So I guess

> something changed in the cd copy compared to the original disk? Is

> there a way to make an exact copy of the game so that it will still

> work? Maybe I need to use software other than Nero? Then I can just

> put the original disk away for in case something happens to the copy.

> I though everyone has the legal right to make copies of stuff you buy

> for backup purposes? But what use I have for this legal right if the

> copy doesn't work?

>

> I have been searching Google and found stuff about people having the

> same problem with other Atari games, but I couldn't find anything

> about a working solution...

>

> I think they should at least put a warning on the cd box that you're

> unable to make a working backup of it, in that case I could notice it

> in the store and would just buy another game. For me, it is to

> important to be able to make an image or at least backup of it,

> because one cd already got broken and that way it's just a waste of my

> money.

>

> Veerle

[Guest LVTravel]

Re: How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

 

In addition to what every one else is saying, there are methods to prevent a

CD from being copied and there are no hacks to allow the use as you want to

use or copy it. One is to create a true CRC error on the disk master and

that CRC error won't be copied to a clone disk. Other method is to place a

physical skip in a data track on the disk. This also won't copy to a clone

disk even when imaging disk to disk. The program looks for the CRC error or

the track skip and it then knows that the disk is not genuine.

 

"Veerle" <veerleverbr@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:f342d5af-8b04-449f-9fc8-710dba47ad89@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> Hi,

>

> I bought for my kids a cd with a Dora game for the pc: the dutch

> version of "Dora's Dance to the Rescue" by Atari.

>

[Guest Veerle]

Re: How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

 

Thanks for all the responses.

 

I deinstalled the game. Then I did a re-install from the image drive

(I don't use Nero DriveImage but PowerISO by the way, Nero is what I

used to make a cd copy). Then when I tried starting up the game

(without cd but with image still mounted) it gave me a different error

than before, something about the wrong disc being inserted. So the

suggestion Michael gave doesn't do the trick. And it also proves all

the drive letter theories wrong (dadiOH and Xandros).

 

Then I applied the english fix from gameworld (thanks smh and

sandy58!) by lack of a dutch fix (I tried searching for a dutch one

but it always got me back to the gameworld website). That solved the

problem. I can now play the game without the original cd and even

without the image mounted. I tried it for a few minutes and Dora still

seems to talk dutch (with the occassional english, but that's the

point) and also the few text lines I saw were still in dutch. Guess

all the language dependent info is not in the main executable (which I

replaced by the fix) but in the other files. This is exactly what I

wanted. Thanks a lot!

 

Less important now that I've found a good solution is to mention that

I did make a entire disc copy of the original cd using Nero. An

installation that was done with the original disc (and that was not

fixed in the way described above) does not run with the copied cd. So

either the entire disc copy doesn't make an exact copy of the cd

(probably using one of the methods described by LVTravel) Or when

installing the game some unique code of the cd is saved on the hard

disc and when starting the game the two codes are compared. I could

find that out by installing the game with the copied cd and seeing if

the game works with the copied cd then. But that will be for some

other time. My guess is that the entire disc copy doesn't make an

exact copy, because the other possibility doesn't prevent people from

making illegal copies which is what I guess that Atari is trying to

do.

 

Thanks again to all of you for thinking along and helping to solve the

problem!

[Guest smh]

Re: How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

 

.. --------------------------------------

Mike Richter, were you born with

"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?

--------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/38wte6

 

(No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above )

(is a LIBEL -- despite Mikey claimed to have PROOF of libels!)

'

 

Veerle wrote:

>

> Thanks for all the responses.

>

> I deinstalled the game. Then I did a re-install from the image drive

> (I don't use Nero DriveImage but PowerISO by the way, Nero is what I

> used to make a cd copy). Then when I tried starting up the game

> (without cd but with image still mounted) it gave me a different error

> than before, something about the wrong disc being inserted. So the

> suggestion Michael gave doesn't do the trick. And it also proves all

> the drive letter theories wrong (dadiOH and Xandros).

>

> Then I applied the english fix from gameworld (thanks smh and

> sandy58!) by lack of a dutch fix (I tried searching for a dutch one

> but it always got me back to the gameworld website). That solved the

> problem. I can now play the game without the original cd and even

> without the image mounted. I tried it for a few minutes and Dora still

> seems to talk dutch (with the occassional english, but that's the

> point) and also the few text lines I saw were still in dutch. Guess

> all the language dependent info is not in the main executable (which I

> replaced by the fix) but in the other files. This is exactly what I

> wanted. Thanks a lot!

>

> Less important now that I've found a good solution is to mention that

> I did make a entire disc copy of the original cd using Nero. An

> installation that was done with the original disc (and that was not

> fixed in the way described above) does not run with the copied cd. So

> either the entire disc copy doesn't make an exact copy of the cd

> (probably using one of the methods described by LVTravel) Or when

> installing the game some unique code of the cd is saved on the hard

> disc and when starting the game the two codes are compared. I could

> find that out by installing the game with the copied cd and seeing if

> the game works with the copied cd then. But that will be for some

> other time. My guess is that the entire disc copy doesn't make an

> exact copy, because the other possibility doesn't prevent people from

> making illegal copies which is what I guess that Atari is trying to

> do.

>

> Thanks again to all of you for thinking along and helping to solve the

> problem!

 

If you want more than sandy58's "NoCD" solution and want to make a

working copy:

 

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[Guest Mike Richter]

Re: How to make an "exact" copy of a cd

 

> Veerle wrote:

>> Hi,

>>

>> I bought for my kids a cd with a Dora game for the pc: the dutch

>> version of "Dora's Dance to the Rescue" by Atari.

>>

>> Because my kids are still very young (2,5 and 3,5 years old) I usualy

>> make images of game cds which I then mount as a separate drive. This

>> makes that there's no more need to change disks and makes sure the

>> original disks don't get damaged. I didn't follow this strategy from

>> the start and they already broke one game cd that I didn't make a

>> backup copy of. This Dora game although won't work as an image. It

>> detects that it's being used from a virtual drive and gives an error

>> message about it.

 

As often happens, my server does not get the original post, so I am

replying here, to a reply not relevant to this post.

 

There are many ways that a program can determine whether it is running

from an optical disc or a writable one (hard drive). For example, it can

try to write something to its root, using failure to do so as an

indicator that it's on an optical drive. There are many other schemes.

 

If that's what the program is doing, you can run from an image only if

you can defeat whatever is being sensed. The odds are that you cannot

even determine how the type of drive is detected let alone circumvent it.

 

Mike

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