win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

[Guest FACE]

Is anyone running a win 98 se virtual machine under XP using ms virtual PC

2007?

 

FACE

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

Not at the moment. Do you have a problem?

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message

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> Is anyone running a win 98 se virtual machine under XP using ms virtual PC

> 2007?

>

> FACE

[Guest Ron Badour]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

Yes

 

--

Regards

 

Ron Badour

MS MVP 1997 - 2008

 

 

"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message

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> Is anyone running a win 98 se virtual machine under XP using ms virtual PC

> 2007?

>

> FACE

[Guest FACE]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

From "Gary S. Terhune" <none>, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on

Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:06:58 -0700 :

>Not at the moment. Do you have a problem?

 

I have a question. Actual several questions.

 

To set up the scenario:

 

I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.

On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant

here) and one is Win98 SE.

The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)

It is known to both as "drive Z".

 

 

As I described this elsewhere..........

 

On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the

virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS) and it

was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a single

subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through

which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to

install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not as

big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it gets

to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as

FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage

on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be

reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --

it's just a file to XP.

 

Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual

disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that be?

 

FACE

[Guest FACE]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

From "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com>, in

microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:33:35 -0500 :

>Yes

 

Thanks.

 

I have a question. Actually several questions.

 

To set up the scenario:

 

I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.

On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant

here) and one is Win98 SE.

The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)

It is known to both as "drive Z".

 

 

As I described this elsewhere..........

 

On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the

virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS) and it

was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a single

subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through

which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to

install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not as

big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it gets

to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as

FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage

on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be

reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --

it's just a file to XP.

 

Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual

disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that be?

 

FACE

[Guest FACE]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

From FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net>, in

microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:50:34 -0400 :

>From "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com>, in

>microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:33:35 -0500 :

>

>>Yes

>

>Thanks.

>

>I have a question. Actually several questions.

>

>To set up the scenario:

>

>I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.

>On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant

>here) and one is Win98 SE.

> The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)

> It is known to both as "drive Z".

>

>

>As I described this elsewhere..........

>

>On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the

virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS)

 

It has changed it mind. I have the image captured last night of it saying

"FAT32" for Drive Z, just now it says what is shown below.

>and it

>was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a single

>subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through

>which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to

>install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not as

>big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it gets

>to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as

>FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage

>on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be

>reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --

>it's just a file to XP.

>

>Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual

>disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that be?

>

 

Copied from display window of MSINFO32 "System Information" in Win 98 VM.

 

Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A

Clean install using Full OEM CD /T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=D:\WIN98 /IE /NF

/IZ /IS /IQ /IT /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

IE 5 5.00.2614.3500

Uptime: 0:00:02:10

Normal mode

On "<name>WIN98VM" as "<my name>"

 

AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon XP 2000+

64MB RAM

94% system resources free

Windows-managed swap file on drive C (1733MB free)

Available space on drive C: 1733MB of 1994MB (FAT32)

Available space on drive Z: 205090MB of 238472MB (

â�÷¿g

)

 

(I have no idea how those high ascii characters for drive Z formatting

display will travel over usenet.)

 

However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as

FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.

 

FACE

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

"As described elsewhere"... Where? You mean in this same thread, or really

elsewhere?

 

Don't know that you'll get your answer here. Have you tried the NG

/microsoft.public.virtualpc

 

But to me it's simple -- you're dealing with "virtualness" here, and your

tools in Win98 aren't likely to read everything the way it really is, only

the way it is shown to be by VPC.

 

FWIW, it's a simple job to resize partitions, especially to expand them.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message

news:057t44dud97issjhckum0hv65c1e42mgel@4ax.com...

> From "Gary S. Terhune" <none>, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

> on

> Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:06:58 -0700 :

>

>>Not at the moment. Do you have a problem?

>

> I have a question. Actual several questions.

>

> To set up the scenario:

>

> I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.

> On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant

> here) and one is Win98 SE.

> The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)

> It is known to both as "drive Z".

>

>

> As I described this elsewhere..........

>

> On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the

> virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS) and

> it

> was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a

> single

> subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through

> which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to

> install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not

> as

> big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it

> gets

> to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as

> FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage

> on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be

> reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --

> it's just a file to XP.

>

> Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual

> disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that

> be?

>

> FACE

[Guest Ron Badour]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

I'm with Gary on this. You are dealing with virtual rather than real so who

knows--maybe the folks hanging around in the virtualpc newsgroup? The

virtual drive has to be fat 32 since W98SE does not recognize NTFS. It

cannot remain the same size as it has to have the ability to expand (swap

file, program additions, etc.) so maybe that accounts for the disparity in

sizes. I'm afraid your virtual questions are too technical for me.

 

--

Regards

 

Ron Badour

MS MVP 1997 - 2008

 

 

"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message

news:3i9t44lcan0cneb781j7vt59dilr2b27ov@4ax.com...

> From FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net>, in

> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:50:34 -0400 :

>

>>From "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com>, in

>>microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:33:35 -0500 :

>>

>>>Yes

>>

>>Thanks.

>>

>>I have a question. Actually several questions.

>>

>>To set up the scenario:

>>

>>I have a physical XP Pro machine, it has two separate hard disks, C and D.

>>On physical drive D, I have two virtual machines. One is XP (not relevant

>>here) and one is Win98 SE.

>> The two virtual machines share a folder (VMA is installed on both)

>> It is known to both as "drive Z".

>>

>>

>>As I described this elsewhere..........

>>

>>On the win 98 virtual machine. I noticed that MSINFO32, run from the

> virtual machine said "drive Z" was formatted FAT32 (It's really NTFS)

>

> It has changed it mind. I have the image captured last night of it saying

> "FAT32" for Drive Z, just now it says what is shown below.

>

>>and it

>>was the remaining size of my real D disk. What it really is, is a

>>single

>>subdirectory on my real XP D drive, defined as a "shared folder" through

>>which I can have one machine communicate with the other. (You have to

>>install "Virtual Machine Additions" for that) The virtual C drive is not

>>as

>>big as shown either. It is dynamic and expands as necessary *until* it

>>gets

>>to that size. So far as i know, virtual drive C really is formatted as

>>FAT32. At least I got the "formatting drive C" and increasing percentage

>>on install. BUT, since it is dynamic and expanding, how could it be

>>reformatted space? I could understand static space being reformatted --

>>it's just a file to XP.

>>

>>Install also claimed to have set up a partition on the C virtual

>>disk.....that would be static space, except it is dynamic. How can that

>>be?

>>

>

> Copied from display window of MSINFO32 "System Information" in Win 98 VM.

>

> Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A

> Clean install using Full OEM CD /T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=D:\WIN98 /IE

> /NF

> /IZ /IS /IQ /IT /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

> IE 5 5.00.2614.3500

> Uptime: 0:00:02:10

> Normal mode

> On "<name>WIN98VM" as "<my name>"

>

> AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon XP 2000+

> 64MB RAM

> 94% system resources free

> Windows-managed swap file on drive C (1733MB free)

> Available space on drive C: 1733MB of 1994MB (FAT32)

> Available space on drive Z: 205090MB of 238472MB (

> â�÷¿g

> )

>

> (I have no idea how those high ascii characters for drive Z formatting

> display will travel over usenet.)

>

> However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as

> FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.

>

> FACE

[Guest FACE]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

From "Gary S. Terhune" <none>, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on

Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:21:55 -0700 :

>"As described elsewhere"... Where? You mean in this same thread, or really

>elsewhere?

 

I meant *really* elsewhere............

 

(Which is why it is written more informally.)

>

>Don't know that you'll get your answer here. Have you tried the NG

>/microsoft.public.virtualpc

 

I looked for "virtual" in my groups list and did not find it.

 

I have asked the newsgroups wrangler to add it. I see that it is on

Motzarella and i have subscribed there.

>

>But to me it's simple -- you're dealing with "virtualness" here, and your

>tools in Win98 aren't likely to read everything the way it really is, only

>the way it is shown to be by VPC.

>

 

I agree that acceptance is simple. :-)

>FWIW, it's a simple job to resize partitions, especially to expand them.

 

I figured that might be happening............

 

Thanks,

 

FACE

[Guest FACE]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

From "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com>, in

microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:38:55 -0500 :

>I'm with Gary on this. You are dealing with virtual rather than real so who

>knows--maybe the folks hanging around in the virtualpc newsgroup? The

>virtual drive has to be fat 32 since W98SE does not recognize NTFS. It

>cannot remain the same size as it has to have the ability to expand (swap

>file, program additions, etc.) so maybe that accounts for the disparity in

>sizes. I'm afraid your virtual questions are too technical for me.

 

Thanks Ron.

 

FACE

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

For MS groups, you might want to try:

http://news://msnews.microsoft.com (Anonymous logon.)

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message

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> From "Gary S. Terhune" <none>, in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

> on

> Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:21:55 -0700 :

>

>>"As described elsewhere"... Where? You mean in this same thread, or really

>>elsewhere?

>

> I meant *really* elsewhere............

>

> (Which is why it is written more informally.)

>

>>

>>Don't know that you'll get your answer here. Have you tried the NG

>>/microsoft.public.virtualpc

>

> I looked for "virtual" in my groups list and did not find it.

>

> I have asked the newsgroups wrangler to add it. I see that it is on

> Motzarella and i have subscribed there.

>

>>

>>But to me it's simple -- you're dealing with "virtualness" here, and your

>>tools in Win98 aren't likely to read everything the way it really is, only

>>the way it is shown to be by VPC.

>>

>

> I agree that acceptance is simple. :-)

>

>>FWIW, it's a simple job to resize partitions, especially to expand them.

>

> I figured that might be happening............

>

> Thanks,

>

> FACE

[Guest Ingeborg]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

FACE wrote:

> However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as

> FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.

>

 

I don't know Virtual PC, but on Qemu sparse disks are used. The virtual

machine exposes a disk to the guest OS, which is actually a bunch of

sectors. To keep the containing file as small as possible, only the sectors

which are actually written since creation of the file are stored. When the

guest OS asks for a sector which is not stored in the file, the VM just

gives it an empty sector.

 

AFAIK W9x actually writes every sector while formatting, so I suppose

Virtual PC recognizes this pattern and doesn't store it.

[Guest Bill Blanton]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

"FACE" <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net> wrote in message news:3i9t44lcan0cneb781j7vt59dilr2b27ov@4ax.com...

> Copied from display window of MSINFO32 "System Information" in Win 98 VM.

>

> Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A

> Clean install using Full OEM CD /T:C:\WININST0.400 /SrcDir=D:\WIN98 /IE /NF

> /IZ /IS /IQ /IT /II /NR /II /C /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

> IE 5 5.00.2614.3500

> Uptime: 0:00:02:10

> Normal mode

> On "<name>WIN98VM" as "<my name>"

>

> AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon XP 2000+

> 64MB RAM

> 94% system resources free

> Windows-managed swap file on drive C (1733MB free)

> Available space on drive C: 1733MB of 1994MB (FAT32)

> Available space on drive Z: 205090MB of 238472MB (

> â�÷¿g

> )

>

> (I have no idea how those high ascii characters for drive Z formatting

> display will travel over usenet.)

 

 

"Shared folders" should be seen as Mapped network drives to the virtual machine.

Whatever the format, it doesn't matter when accessed over the network..

[Guest Bill Blanton]

Re: win 98 se under Xp using MS virtual pc 2007

 

 

"Ingeborg" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message news:Xns9ABA707D2CB55abinvalid@217.21.244.90...

> FACE wrote:

>

>> However, that still does not explain the dynamic .vhd being described as

>> FAT32 at 1994mb when its current size is 291mb.

 

1994MB. That's the size you specified when you set up the disk using

the virtual disk wizard.

 

 

>>

>

> I don't know Virtual PC, but on Qemu sparse disks are used. The virtual

> machine exposes a disk to the guest OS, which is actually a bunch of

> sectors. To keep the containing file as small as possible, only the sectors

> which are actually written since creation of the file are stored. When the

> guest OS asks for a sector which is not stored in the file, the VM just

> gives it an empty sector.

 

VPC does the same with "dynamic" disks. If a sector contains all 00 bytes

it won't be written out "long hand" to the virtual hard disk file. And so, won't

take up space within the *.vhd file. There's also the option of creating a

virtual "fixed" disk which would record all sectors including 00 sectors.

 

 

> AFAIK W9x actually writes every sector while formatting, so I suppose

> Virtual PC recognizes this pattern and doesn't store it.

 

I don't think format touches the data area. However, if you use fdisk to partition

the virtual disk, it will write F6 sectors every N sectors as it checks the disk

"integrity". That would eat up a little unecessary space..