/3GB analysis

June 10, 2008

so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way to tell what

the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed that it

always takes as much as it has?

We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was wondering how

I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether this will be

a good thing or not.

from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately this is a

production system and people don't like to just try things, they would like

a little certainty.

Thanks

Justin

June 11, 2008

RE: /3GB analysis

Hello,

I would start with this article the links it contains,

291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the Physical

Address Extension parameter

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988

There are some very good links contained in the article talking about /3gb

and they contain more links.

Thanks,

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743

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| >

| >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way to tell

what

| >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed that it

| >always takes as much as it has?

| >

| >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was wondering

how

| >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether this will

be

| >a good thing or not.

| >

| >from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately this is a

| >production system and people don't like to just try things, they would

like

| >a little certainty.

| >

| >Thanks

| >Justin

| >

June 11, 2008

Re: /3GB analysis

thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how to

determine if you need it...

on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the link to the

more detailed article on VM ;)

the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task manager

keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task manager, paged

and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive and HAL

boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to calculate... if i

could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an estimate as

to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its worthwhile

to give the /3gb switch a try.

Thank

Justin

""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Hello,

> I would start with this article the links it contains,

> 291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the Physical

> Address Extension parameter

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988

>

> There are some very good links contained in the article talking about /3gb

> and they contain more links.

>

> Thanks,

> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights

> --------------------

> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>

> | >Subject: /3GB analysis

> | >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:32:39 -0400

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> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743

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> | >

> | >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way to tell

> what

> | >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed that it

> | >always takes as much as it has?

> | >

> | >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was wondering

> how

> | >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether this

> will

> be

> | >a good thing or not.

> | >

> | >from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately this is

> a

> | >production system and people don't like to just try things, they would

> like

> | >a little certainty.

> | >

> | >Thanks

> | >Justin

> | >

>

June 11, 2008

Re: /3GB analysis

>thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how to

>determine if you need it...

>

>on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the link to the

>more detailed article on VM ;)

>

>the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task manager

>keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task manager, paged

>and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive and HAL

>boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to calculate... if i

>could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an estimate as

>to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its worthwhile

>to give the /3gb switch a try.

I just took the /3GB plunge the other day and so far it's been good.

Mine is a print server with SQL Server 2000 that had not been set to

use min / max memory. Originally, it was hogging available RAM. Now,

I've allocated it 2GB with the rest to the system.

One thing to note is that with /3GB enabled, you'll lose 1/2 of the

non-paged pool.

- Thee Chicago Wolf

June 12, 2008

Re: /3GB analysis

Hello,

You would probably have to capture some of that via debugging.

There should be some blogs in this site speaking the memory resource

consumption tracking

http://blogs.msdn.com/ntdebugging/about.aspx

Thanks,

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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| >References: <OuE5WbwyIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

<c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>

| >Subject: Re: /3GB analysis

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microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39815

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| >

| >thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how to

| >determine if you need it...

| >

| >on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the link to

the

| >more detailed article on VM ;)

| >

| >the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task manager

| >keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task manager,

paged

| >and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive and HAL

| >boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to calculate... if

i

| >could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an estimate

as

| >to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its

worthwhile

| >to give the /3gb switch a try.

| >

| >Thank

| >Justin

| >

| >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in

message

| >news:c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...

| >> Hello,

| >> I would start with this article the links it contains,

| >> 291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the Physical

| >> Address Extension parameter

| >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988

| >>

| >> There are some very good links contained in the article talking about

/3gb

| >> and they contain more links.

| >>

| >> Thanks,

| >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

| >>

| >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

rights

| >> --------------------

| >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>

| >> | >Subject: /3GB analysis

| >> | >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:32:39 -0400

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| >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743

| >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general

| >> | >

| >> | >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way to

tell

| >> what

| >> | >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed that

it

| >> | >always takes as much as it has?

| >> | >

| >> | >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was

wondering

| >> how

| >> | >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether this

| >> will

| >> be

| >> | >a good thing or not.

| >> | >

| >> | >from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately this

is

| >> a

| >> | >production system and people don't like to just try things, they

would

| >> like

| >> | >a little certainty.

| >> | >

| >> | >Thanks

| >> | >Justin

| >> | >

| >>

| >

June 12, 2008

Re: /3GB analysis

Thanks

I try to read their blog as much as possible, unfortunately a good deal of

it is over my head.

I'll keep learning, Thanks :)

""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Hello,

> You would probably have to capture some of that via debugging.

> There should be some blogs in this site speaking the memory resource

> consumption tracking

> http://blogs.msdn.com/ntdebugging/about.aspx

> Thanks,

> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights

> --------------------

> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>

> | >References: <OuE5WbwyIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

> <c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>

> | >Subject: Re: /3GB analysis

> | >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:48:46 -0400

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> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39815

> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general

> | >

> | >thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how to

> | >determine if you need it...

> | >

> | >on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the link to

> the

> | >more detailed article on VM ;)

> | >

> | >the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task

> manager

> | >keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task manager,

> paged

> | >and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive and

> HAL

> | >boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to calculate...

> if

> i

> | >could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an

> estimate

> as

> | >to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its

> worthwhile

> | >to give the /3gb switch a try.

> | >

> | >Thank

> | >Justin

> | >

> | >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message

> | >news:c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...

> | >> Hello,

> | >> I would start with this article the links it contains,

> | >> 291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the Physical

> | >> Address Extension parameter

> | >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988

> | >>

> | >> There are some very good links contained in the article talking about

> /3gb

> | >> and they contain more links.

> | >>

> | >> Thanks,

> | >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

> | >>

> | >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

> rights

> | >> --------------------

> | >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>

> | >> | >Subject: /3GB analysis

> | >> | >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:32:39 -0400

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> | >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743

> | >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general

> | >> | >

> | >> | >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way to

> tell

> | >> what

> | >> | >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed

> that

> it

> | >> | >always takes as much as it has?

> | >> | >

> | >> | >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was

> wondering

> | >> how

> | >> | >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether

> this

> | >> will

> | >> be

> | >> | >a good thing or not.

> | >> | >

> | >> | >from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately

> this

> is

> | >> a

> | >> | >production system and people don't like to just try things, they

> would

> | >> like

> | >> | >a little certainty.

> | >> | >

> | >> | >Thanks

> | >> | >Justin

> | >> | >

> | >>

> | >

>

June 12, 2008

Re: /3GB analysis

Hello,

most of if is over my head as well.

I was going to grab my Windows Internals book and see what they have in

there as well but I fogot to check last night

Thanks,

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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<c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>

<O9i2mt#yIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

<aO85QfKzIHA.3644@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>

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microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39865

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| >

| >Thanks

| >I try to read their blog as much as possible, unfortunately a good deal

of

| >it is over my head.

| >

| >I'll keep learning, Thanks :)

| >

| >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in

message

| >news:aO85QfKzIHA.3644@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...

| >> Hello,

| >> You would probably have to capture some of that via debugging.

| >> There should be some blogs in this site speaking the memory resource

| >> consumption tracking

| >> http://blogs.msdn.com/ntdebugging/about.aspx

| >> Thanks,

| >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

| >>

| >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

rights

| >> --------------------

| >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>

| >> | >References: <OuE5WbwyIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

| >> <c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>

| >> | >Subject: Re: /3GB analysis

| >> | >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:48:46 -0400

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| >> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl

| >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39815

| >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general

| >> | >

| >> | >thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how

to

| >> | >determine if you need it...

| >> | >

| >> | >on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the link

to

| >> the

| >> | >more detailed article on VM ;)

| >> | >

| >> | >the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task

| >> manager

| >> | >keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task

manager,

| >> paged

| >> | >and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive

and

| >> HAL

| >> | >boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to

calculate...

| >> if

| >> i

| >> | >could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an

| >> estimate

| >> as

| >> | >to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its

| >> worthwhile

| >> | >to give the /3gb switch a try.

| >> | >

| >> | >Thank

| >> | >Justin

| >> | >

| >> | >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in

| >> message

| >> | >news:c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...

| >> | >> Hello,

| >> | >> I would start with this article the links it contains,

| >> | >> 291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the

Physical

| >> | >> Address Extension parameter

| >> | >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988

| >> | >>

| >> | >> There are some very good links contained in the article talking

about

| >> /3gb

| >> | >> and they contain more links.

| >> | >>

| >> | >> Thanks,

| >> | >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

| >> | >>

| >> | >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers

no

| >> rights

| >> | >> --------------------

| >> | >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>

| >> | >> | >Subject: /3GB analysis

| >> | >> | >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:32:39 -0400

| >> | >> | >Lines: 16

| >> | >> | >X-Priority: 3

| >> | >> | >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

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| >> | >> | >Path:

| >> TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

| >> | >> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl

| >> | >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743

| >> | >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general

| >> | >> | >

| >> | >> | >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a way

to

| >> tell

| >> | >> what

| >> | >> | >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it assumed

| >> that

| >> it

| >> | >> | >always takes as much as it has?

| >> | >> | >

| >> | >> | >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was

| >> wondering

| >> | >> how

| >> | >> | >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on whether

| >> this

| >> | >> will

| >> | >> be

| >> | >> | >a good thing or not.

| >> | >> | >

| >> | >> | >from what I have seen its a try it and find out, unfortunately

| >> this

| >> is

| >> | >> a

| >> | >> | >production system and people don't like to just try things,

they

| >> would

| >> | >> like

| >> | >> | >a little certainty.

| >> | >> | >

| >> | >> | >Thanks

| >> | >> | >Justin

| >> | >> | >

| >> | >>

| >> | >

| >>

| >

June 13, 2008

Re: /3GB analysis

been reading that book all morning :)

they need to get a Kindle version so i have a good excuse to buy one :)

only on chap 6, need to make it to 7 for memory stuff.. soon enough

thanks for the help.

Justin

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> Hello,

> most of if is over my head as well.

> I was going to grab my Windows Internals book and see what they have in

> there as well but I fogot to check last night

> Thanks,

> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

>

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> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>

> | >References: <OuE5WbwyIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

> <c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>

> <O9i2mt#yIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

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> | >Subject: Re: /3GB analysis

> | >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:27:58 -0400

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> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39865

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> | >

> | >Thanks

> | >I try to read their blog as much as possible, unfortunately a good deal

> of

> | >it is over my head.

> | >

> | >I'll keep learning, Thanks :)

> | >

> | >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in

> message

> | >news:aO85QfKzIHA.3644@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...

> | >> Hello,

> | >> You would probably have to capture some of that via debugging.

> | >> There should be some blogs in this site speaking the memory resource

> | >> consumption tracking

> | >> http://blogs.msdn.com/ntdebugging/about.aspx

> | >> Thanks,

> | >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

> | >>

> | >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

> rights

> | >> --------------------

> | >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>

> | >> | >References: <OuE5WbwyIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

> | >> <c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>

> | >> | >Subject: Re: /3GB analysis

> | >> | >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:48:46 -0400

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> | >> | >NNTP-Posting-Host: cpz702jrich.mgh.harvard.edu 132.183.34.69

> | >> | >Path:

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> | >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39815

> | >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general

> | >> | >

> | >> | >thanks for the post... this mostly goes over what it does, not how

> to

> | >> | >determine if you need it...

> | >> | >

> | >> | >on the ask perf blog about mem 101, im the guy that posted the

> link

> to

> | >> the

> | >> | >more detailed article on VM ;)

> | >> | >

> | >> | >the "system space" consists of Kernel space which i believe task

> | >> manager

> | >> | >keeps track of, System Cache which you can also get from task

> manager,

> | >> paged

> | >> | >and non paged pool, which you can figure out, and then Executive

> and

> | >> HAL

> | >> | >boot drivers which are the two im not really sure how to

> calculate...

> | >> if

> | >> i

> | >> | >could figure out how to get those two i would be able to get an

> | >> estimate

> | >> as

> | >> | >to what the system space is using and i'll be able to see if its

> | >> worthwhile

> | >> | >to give the /3gb switch a try.

> | >> | >

> | >> | >Thank

> | >> | >Justin

> | >> | >

> | >> | >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in

> | >> message

> | >> | >news:c6W3qa1yIHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...

> | >> | >> Hello,

> | >> | >> I would start with this article the links it contains,

> | >> | >> 291988 A description of the 4 GB RAM Tuning feature and the

> Physical

> | >> | >> Address Extension parameter

> | >> | >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;291988

> | >> | >>

> | >> | >> There are some very good links contained in the article talking

> about

> | >> /3gb

> | >> | >> and they contain more links.

> | >> | >>

> | >> | >> Thanks,

> | >> | >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

> | >> | >>

> | >> | >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers

> no

> | >> rights

> | >> | >> --------------------

> | >> | >> | >From: "Justin Rich" <jrich523@yahoo.spam.com>

> | >> | >> | >Subject: /3GB analysis

> | >> | >> | >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:32:39 -0400

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> | >> | >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:39743

> | >> | >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general

> | >> | >> | >

> | >> | >> | >so, I understand how the /3gb switch works, but is there a

> way

> to

> | >> tell

> | >> | >> what

> | >> | >> | >the kernel end of things is currently eating up? is it

> assumed

> | >> that

> | >> it

> | >> | >> | >always takes as much as it has?

> | >> | >> | >

> | >> | >> | >We have an instance where we might need to do this, but I was

> | >> wondering

> | >> | >> how

> | >> | >> | >I would go about analyzing the system to get a feel on

> whether

> | >> this

> | >> | >> will

> | >> | >> be

> | >> | >> | >a good thing or not.

> | >> | >> | >

> | >> | >> | >from what I have seen its a try it and find out,

> unfortunately

> | >> this

> | >> is

> | >> | >> a

> | >> | >> | >production system and people don't like to just try things,

> they

> | >> would

> | >> | >> like

> | >> | >> | >a little certainty.

> | >> | >> | >

> | >> | >> | >Thanks

> | >> | >> | >Justin

> | >> | >> | >

> | >> | >>

> | >> | >

> | >>

> | >

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