Dual Boot vista / XP pro OEM on preloaded Vista Laptop

[Guest Steve_needs_u]

I have a Toshiba X205-SLI-2 laptop. It came with Vista loaded and I got only

restoration DVD with it. I buy WinXp 32bit pro OEM and for some reason when

I try to install (dua lBoot) it tells me no hard drives detected. I have x 2

Hitachi 160GB HD

(specs/http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.dac393208bfae6f199558fe7eac4f0a0/)

SATA. I remember when I buy it @ newegg (the laptop) one review saying

something about this problem witn dual booting but I went back and the

comment is gone. I just want to know if I can use the second HD to install XP

in it or just partition C: and what steps to take to make this operation a

success. Its new the laptop and not too many things I care for installed. But

I want XP in it specialy after I pay more than the price of Vista OEM. Any

help will be apreciated.

[Guest Lisa]

Re: Dual Boot vista / XP pro OEM on preloaded Vista Laptop

 

You probably need the sata/raid drivers. These are normally copied to a

floppy but you probably don't have one. I believe you can use a flash drive

or you can integrate the drivers into a slipstreamed XP installation disk.

 

"Steve_needs_u" <Steve_needs_u@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:E28F637D-CE75-48A8-82F2-E43B53A5B5DC@microsoft.com...

>I have a Toshiba X205-SLI-2 laptop. It came with Vista loaded and I got

>only

> restoration DVD with it. I buy WinXp 32bit pro OEM and for some reason

> when

> I try to install (dua lBoot) it tells me no hard drives detected. I have x

> 2

> Hitachi 160GB HD

> (specs/http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.dac393208bfae6f199558fe7eac4f0a0/)

> SATA. I remember when I buy it @ newegg (the laptop) one review saying

> something about this problem witn dual booting but I went back and the

> comment is gone. I just want to know if I can use the second HD to install

> XP

> in it or just partition C: and what steps to take to make this operation a

> success. Its new the laptop and not too many things I care for installed.

> But

> I want XP in it specialy after I pay more than the price of Vista OEM. Any

> help will be apreciated.

[Guest Timothy Daniels]

Re: Dual Boot vista / XP pro OEM on preloaded Vista Laptop

 

"Steve_needs_u" wrote:

> I have a Toshiba X205-SLI-2 laptop. It came with Vista loaded

> and I got only restoration DVD with it. I buy WinXp 32bit pro

> OEM and for some reason when I try to install (dua lBoot) it tells

> me no hard drives detected. I have x 2 Hitachi 160GB HD

> (specs/http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.dac393208bfae6f199558fe7eac4f0a0/)

> SATA. [....]

> I just want to know if I can use the second HD to install XP

> in it or just partition C: and what steps to take to make this

> operation a success. Its new the laptop and not too many things

> I care for installed. But I want XP in it specialy after I pay more

> than the price of Vista OEM. Any help will be apreciated.

 

First of all, you're trying to install an earlier Windows (XP) AFTER

Vista was installed. The installer will set up dual-booting for you only

if the later Windoes is installed after the earlier Windows. There are

procedures to handle this that are well-documented on the Web.

You can search in Google for "install XP after Vista", and you'll get

many hits.

 

The easiest way may be to disable the 1st HD and enable the 2nd

HD in the BIOS, making the 1st HD invisible to the system. Or, you

can open the laptop and disconnect the 1st HD. Or, you can use a

3rd-party utility such as BootItNG to "hide" the 1st HD's partitions.

Then, the the 1st HD invisible to the installer, and you can install XP

on the 2nd HD completely independent of the 1st HD's Vista OS.

Once XP is installed, you may switch between the 2 HDs by enabling

one or the other (or by explicitly making one or the other the boot HD)

in the BIOS, and the OS on that HD will boot up. This all presupposes

certain features of the BIOS, and not having a description (usually in the

Owner's Manual) of the BIOS, nothing definite can be said.

 

But whichever way you go, it would be nice to know whether you

can disable RAID or not. How about more information about your

system?

 

*TimDaniels*

[Guest Bruce Chambers]

Re: Dual Boot vista / XP pro OEM on preloaded Vista Laptop

 

Steve_needs_u wrote:

> I have a Toshiba X205-SLI-2 laptop. It came with Vista loaded and I got only

> restoration DVD with it. I buy WinXp 32bit pro OEM and for some reason when

> I try to install (dua lBoot) it tells me no hard drives detected. I have x 2

> Hitachi 160GB HD

> (specs/http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.dac393208bfae6f199558fe7eac4f0a0/)

> SATA. I remember when I buy it @ newegg (the laptop) one review saying

> something about this problem witn dual booting but I went back and the

> comment is gone.

 

 

Remember SATA didn't really exist (or at least wasn't commercially

available) when WinXP was initially developed. Very early in the boot

process, just after having booted from the WinXP CD, the screen will

display the words to the effect: "Setup is examining your system." Press

<F6> when this happens, and have the *manufacturer's* WinXP-specific

drivers for your SATA controller available on a floppy disk.

 

A couple more things to bear in mind:

 

1) If the computer was specifically designed for Vista, there may not

be any WinXP-specific device drivers available for any of the computer's

components. Check with the manufacturer before starting.

 

2) Replacing the factory-installed operating system may void your

warranty and will almost certainly void any support obligation the

manufacturer has. Check with the manufacturer for specifics, before

starting.

 

 

> I just want to know if I can use the second HD to install XP

> in it or just partition C: and what steps to take to make this operation a

> success. Its new the laptop and not too many things I care for installed. But

> I want XP in it specialy after I pay more than the price of Vista OEM. Any

> help will be apreciated.

 

 

Normally, the older OS must be installed first unless you wish to

acquire and use some 3rd-party partition and boot management utility.

(In which case you have to follow the instructions provided by whatever

3rd party solution you select.) However, this KB Article (not for the

faint of heart or technically-challenged) explains how to repair the

Vista boot process after installing WinXP:

 

Windows Vista no longer starts after you install an earlier version of

the Windows operating system in a dual-boot configuration

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919529

 

MS-MVP John Barnett's Guide is considerably more user-friendly:

http://vistasupport.mvps.org/install_windows_xp_on_machine_running_vista.htm

 

Before proceeding:

 

First and foremost, if the specific computer model in question was

designed specifically for Vista, there may well be no WinXP-specific

device drivers available to make the computer's diverse components work

properly. If this proves to be the case , installing WinXP in a virtual

machine would be your best option, anyway. Consult the computer's

manufacturer about the availability of device drivers. Secondly, adding

another OS might void any support agreements and, sometimes, even the

warranty. Again, consult the computer's manufacturer for specifics.

 

Dual-booting is no longer necessary in a great many situations. Why

not download a Virtual Machine application, such as Microsoft's

VirtualPC 2007 (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?) or

Innotek's VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/) and run Win2K and your

legacy applications within a virtual computer. Both are free and work

with Vista.

 

NOTE: Microsoft does not support the use of VirtualPC 2007 on Vista

Home editions, but several people have reported that it works. Your

results may vary.

 

 

 

--

 

Bruce Chambers

 

Help us help you:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

 

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

 

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

 

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has

killed a great many philosophers.

~ Denis Diderot

[Guest Derek Harvey]

Re: Dual Boot vista / XP pro OEM on preloaded Vista Laptop

 

Thanks Bruce, that's useful and informative.

I think I am in the situation where the manufacturer says they cannot supply

XP/SATA drivers for this (Medion - German manufacturer) beast.

This being my first, not very pleasant, exposure to SATA I don't know much

about it. Is there no way round this, e.g., no such thing as a generic SATA

driver. Is the problem tied to the HD type? Or to something the manufacturer

has really designed so VISTA-specific that this cannot be bypassed?

References I see to 'SATA controller' seem to imply this is a module that I

would have thought would be standardisable in the way that IDE controllers

are (can be bought on PCI boards).

 

I am going to try the VM route, initially using VirtualBox as it is free,

but I would have like to install XP 'free-standing' to avoid performance

penalties.

 

Derek

 

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message

news:OGWbwtXzIHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Steve_needs_u wrote:

>> I have a Toshiba X205-SLI-2 laptop. It came with Vista loaded and I got

>> only restoration DVD with it. I buy WinXp 32bit pro OEM and for some

>> reason when I try to install (dua lBoot) it tells me no hard drives

>> detected. I have x 2 Hitachi 160GB HD

>> (specs/http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.dac393208bfae6f199558fe7eac4f0a0/)

>> SATA. I remember when I buy it @ newegg (the laptop) one review saying

>> something about this problem witn dual booting but I went back and the

>> comment is gone.

>

>

> Remember SATA didn't really exist (or at least wasn't commercially

> available) when WinXP was initially developed. Very early in the boot

> process, just after having booted from the WinXP CD, the screen will

> display the words to the effect: "Setup is examining your system." Press

> <F6> when this happens, and have the *manufacturer's* WinXP-specific

> drivers for your SATA controller available on a floppy disk.

>

> A couple more things to bear in mind:

>

> 1) If the computer was specifically designed for Vista, there may not be

> any WinXP-specific device drivers available for any of the computer's

> components. Check with the manufacturer before starting.

>

> 2) Replacing the factory-installed operating system may void your

> warranty and will almost certainly void any support obligation the

> manufacturer has. Check with the manufacturer for specifics, before

> starting.

>

>

>

>> I just want to know if I can use the second HD to install XP in it or

>> just partition C: and what steps to take to make this operation a

>> success. Its new the laptop and not too many things I care for installed.

>> But I want XP in it specialy after I pay more than the price of Vista

>> OEM. Any help will be apreciated.

>

>

> Normally, the older OS must be installed first unless you wish to

> acquire and use some 3rd-party partition and boot management utility. (In

> which case you have to follow the instructions provided by whatever 3rd

> party solution you select.) However, this KB Article (not for the faint of

> heart or technically-challenged) explains how to repair the Vista boot

> process after installing WinXP:

>

> Windows Vista no longer starts after you install an earlier version of the

> Windows operating system in a dual-boot configuration

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919529

>

> MS-MVP John Barnett's Guide is considerably more user-friendly:

> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/install_windows_xp_on_machine_running_vista.htm

>

> Before proceeding:

>

> First and foremost, if the specific computer model in question was

> designed specifically for Vista, there may well be no WinXP-specific

> device drivers available to make the computer's diverse components work

> properly. If this proves to be the case , installing WinXP in a virtual

> machine would be your best option, anyway. Consult the computer's

> manufacturer about the availability of device drivers. Secondly, adding

> another OS might void any support agreements and, sometimes, even the

> warranty. Again, consult the computer's manufacturer for specifics.

>

> Dual-booting is no longer necessary in a great many situations. Why

> not download a Virtual Machine application, such as Microsoft's VirtualPC

> 2007 (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?) or Innotek's

> VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/) and run Win2K and your legacy

> applications within a virtual computer. Both are free and work with

> Vista.

>

> NOTE: Microsoft does not support the use of VirtualPC 2007 on Vista Home

> editions, but several people have reported that it works. Your results

> may vary.

>

>

>

> --

>

> Bruce Chambers

>

> Help us help you:

> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

>

> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

>

> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand

> Russell

>

> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has

> killed a great many philosophers.

> ~ Denis Diderot

[Guest Bruce Chambers]

Re: Dual Boot vista / XP pro OEM on preloaded Vista Laptop

 

Derek Harvey wrote:

> Thanks Bruce, that's useful and informative.

> I think I am in the situation where the manufacturer says they cannot supply

> XP/SATA drivers for this (Medion - German manufacturer) beast.

> This being my first, not very pleasant, exposure to SATA I don't know much

> about it. Is there no way round this, e.g., no such thing as a generic SATA

> driver. Is the problem tied to the HD type? Or to something the manufacturer

> has really designed so VISTA-specific that this cannot be bypassed?

 

 

Some manufacturers build their motherboards so that the SATA controller

can emulate a generic IDE controller for the purpose of initially

installing an operating system. Unfortunately, it would appear that the

manufacturer of your system is not one of those. You might be able to

find WinXP SATA drivers somewhere on the Internet, if your laptop's

motherboard was made by another company. Try Googling.

 

 

 

 

 

--

 

Bruce Chambers

 

Help us help you:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

 

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

 

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

 

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has

killed a great many philosophers.

~ Denis Diderot