win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

June 12, 2008

This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

an old computer.

Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

"Explorer

This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

down........(you know the rest)

Details

EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

015f:0040lf3l

Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply

do a fresh install on windows.

I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I

had. this has not fixed the problem.

I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not

fix the problem.

I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC, which

i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

Any help appreciated

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Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

"partymarty4870" <partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

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>

> This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

> an old computer.

>

> Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

> win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

>

> Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

> while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

>

> "Explorer

>

> This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

> down........(you know the rest)

>

> Details

> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

> 015f:0040lf3l

>

> Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply

> do a fresh install on windows.

>

> I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I

> had. this has not fixed the problem.

>

> I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not

> fix the problem.

>

> I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

>

> I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

>

> I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC, which

> i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

Reboot to DOS and in C:\Windows do

SCANREG /RESTORE

which will present a menu of (probably 5) earlier bootup dates.

You can try any or all of these in case it boots Win98 OK.

Other likely hints.

1. Run DOS SCANDISK or

1b. Boot Windows in Safe Mode and run Windows Scan Disk.

2. Boot DOS and

FDISK /MBR

to rewrite the boot sector.

3. REName to something else AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS

which Win98 does not require to start up.

4. Get an instal floppy correct for your version of Win98 (free from

http://www.bootdisk.com) and keep it handy. You can run DOS utilities

from this flloppy and copy files when needed (e.g. a common

startup error in flaky systems is CANNOT FIND HIMEM.SYS so

you can copy a known good file to C:\Windows in case it helps.)

--

Don Phillipson

Carlsbad Springs

(Ottawa, Canada)

June 12, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

The system is likely crashing when attempting to discover the network

AND/OR due to failed network software installation. Make sure there are no

previously linked share folders, mapped network drives, etc, which might

have been part of an old network on the 98 computer. Also check to ensure

that there is not some "Always dial a connection" left from any previous

network.

For initial diagnostics use msinfo32, and use winipcfg or ipconfig to

obtain the initial networking addresses/setup, and check Control Panel >

Network for any old settings. And check IE settings for connection, proxy,

etc..

You likely setup the ADSL modem in XP or Vista or will need to.

IF PREVIOUSLY SETUP, try to obtain the addressing for the modem/router from

the old/XP/VISTA system to which it was connected and transfer that

addressing to the 98 box settings in Networking. That's possibly TCP/IP,

DNS, Gateway, WINS, or other required settings.

Also, any firewall MUST be setup to allow this network traffic, and that

any previous networking settings on the 98 box are COMPLETELY removed prior

to the new setup, or it will be looking for that old network.. Make sure

that the new 98 network has been configured, if necessary, in any Anti-Virus

and other like software.

IF possible, with the ADSL still connected to the original setup computer,

look at the entire setup via its [modem/router] interface software for IP

and subnet, etc., as these were/are setup by the ISP/DSL provider. These

TCP/IP settings [iP, DNS, DHCP, etc.] in 98 MUST match what are required by

your provider and its modem/router, and your 98 computer and its software

MUST be aware of that ISP network setup/requirements OR must be set to

receive dynamic allocation, and set to any possible required network group

and/or identification..

IF the ADSL was NOT previously setup and has no 98 software support, then

you will likely need use an XP or VISTA box to set it up, then transfer

those settings to the 98 computer if necessary.

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|

| This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

| an old computer.

|

| Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

| win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

|

| Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

| while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

|

| "Explorer

|

| This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

| down........(you know the rest)

|

| Details

| EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

| 015f:0040lf3l

|

| Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply

| do a fresh install on windows.

|

| I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I

| had. this has not fixed the problem.

|

| I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not

| fix the problem.

|

| I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

|

| I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

|

| I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC, which

| i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

|

| Any help appreciated

|

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June 12, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

1. Boot into Safe Mode.

2. Remove the ADSL setup software that you previously installed.

3. Remove everything in the Control Panel>Network applet

3. Reboot

Does that get you back into Windows?

You do not set up an ADSL modem for each computer. Is this *only* a modem

(one phone cord, one LAN cable, one power cord, that's all) or is it also a

router. What make/model modem?

What version of Windows 98? Original flavor or Second Edition?

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"partymarty4870" <partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

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>

> This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

> an old computer.

>

> Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

> win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

>

> Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

> while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

>

> "Explorer

>

> This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

> down........(you know the rest)

>

> Details

> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

> 015f:0040lf3l

>

> Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply

> do a fresh install on windows.

>

> I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I

> had. this has not fixed the problem.

>

> I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not

> fix the problem.

>

> I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

>

> I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

>

> I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC, which

> i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

>

> Any help appreciated

>

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June 12, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

I think Don's suggestion of simply restoring the prior registry backup would

be simpler though, right?

OR you could do this list below, and then restore the prior registry backup,

to have an even cleaner system, I expect.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> 1. Boot into Safe Mode.

> 2. Remove the ADSL setup software that you previously installed.

> 3. Remove everything in the Control Panel>Network applet

> 3. Reboot

>

> Does that get you back into Windows?

>

> You do not set up an ADSL modem for each computer. Is this *only* a modem

> (one phone cord, one LAN cable, one power cord, that's all) or is it also

> a

> router. What make/model modem?

>

> What version of Windows 98? Original flavor or Second Edition?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "partymarty4870" <partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

> news:partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com...

>>

>> This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

>> an old computer.

>>

>> Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

>> win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

>>

>> Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

>> while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

>>

>> "Explorer

>>

>> This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

>> down........(you know the rest)

>>

>> Details

>> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

>> 015f:0040lf3l

>>

>> Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply

>> do a fresh install on windows.

>>

>> I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I

>> had. this has not fixed the problem.

>>

>> I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not

>> fix the problem.

>>

>> I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

>>

>> I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

>>

>> I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC, which

>> i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

>>

>> Any help appreciated

>>

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June 12, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Except, having tried all the Registry backups, I suspect that all the OP is

left with is the backup that got made AFTER things hit the fan. When you

restore a Registry using Scanreg /Restore, it wipes out the oldest backup to

make room for the backup it does before restoring a backup. Do that five

times and all you have left are five copies of the original Registry that

existed before any attempts to restore got started.

My other main point was to get rid of the entire Network schmear,

specifically so that any mistaken configuration that might be causing the

BSOD will, with any luck, gets nullified.

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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>I think Don's suggestion of simply restoring the prior registry backup

>would be simpler though, right?

>

> OR you could do this list below, and then restore the prior registry

> backup, to have an even cleaner system, I expect.

>

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> 1. Boot into Safe Mode.

>> 2. Remove the ADSL setup software that you previously installed.

>> 3. Remove everything in the Control Panel>Network applet

>> 3. Reboot

>>

>> Does that get you back into Windows?

>>

>> You do not set up an ADSL modem for each computer. Is this *only* a modem

>> (one phone cord, one LAN cable, one power cord, that's all) or is it also

>> a

>> router. What make/model modem?

>>

>> What version of Windows 98? Original flavor or Second Edition?

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "partymarty4870" <partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

>> news:partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com...

>>>

>>> This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

>>> an old computer.

>>>

>>> Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

>>> win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

>>>

>>> Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

>>> while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

>>>

>>> "Explorer

>>>

>>> This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

>>> down........(you know the rest)

>>>

>>> Details

>>> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

>>> 015f:0040lf3l

>>>

>>> Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply

>>> do a fresh install on windows.

>>>

>>> I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I

>>> had. this has not fixed the problem.

>>>

>>> I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not

>>> fix the problem.

>>>

>>> I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

>>>

>>> I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

>>>

>>> I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC, which

>>> i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

>>>

>>> Any help appreciated

>>>

>>> --

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June 12, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Except, having tried all the Registry backups, I suspect that all the OP

> is

> left with is the backup that got made AFTER things hit the fan.

That may be true. He may not even have any, but if it just happened, he

likely might.

> When you

> restore a Registry using Scanreg /Restore, it wipes out the oldest backup

> to

> make room for the backup it does before restoring a backup.

Yup.

> Do that five

> times and all you have left are five copies of the original Registry that

> existed before any attempts to restore got started.

Which is why I sometimes save (copy) the RB backups to another folder - for

precisely that reason. :-)

> My other main point was to get rid of the entire Network schmear,

> specifically so that any mistaken configuration that might be causing the

> BSOD will, with any luck, gets nullified.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:ePqngWLzIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> I think Don's suggestion of simply restoring the prior registry backup

>> would be simpler though, right?

>>

>> OR you could do this list below, and then restore the prior registry

>> backup, to have an even cleaner system, I expect.

>>

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>> 1. Boot into Safe Mode.

>>> 2. Remove the ADSL setup software that you previously installed.

>>> 3. Remove everything in the Control Panel>Network applet

>>> 3. Reboot

>>>

>>> Does that get you back into Windows?

>>>

>>> You do not set up an ADSL modem for each computer. Is this *only* a

>>> modem

>>> (one phone cord, one LAN cable, one power cord, that's all) or is it

>>> also

>>> a

>>> router. What make/model modem?

>>>

>>> What version of Windows 98? Original flavor or Second Edition?

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>

>>> "partymarty4870" <partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

>>> news:partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com...

>>>>

>>>> This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

>>>> an old computer.

>>>>

>>>> Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

>>>> win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

>>>>

>>>> Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

>>>> while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

>>>>

>>>> "Explorer

>>>>

>>>> This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

>>>> down........(you know the rest)

>>>>

>>>> Details

>>>> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

>>>> 015f:0040lf3l

>>>>

>>>> Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply

>>>> do a fresh install on windows.

>>>>

>>>> I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I

>>>> had. this has not fixed the problem.

>>>>

>>>> I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not

>>>> fix the problem.

>>>>

>>>> I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

>>>>

>>>> I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

>>>>

>>>> I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC, which

>>>> i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

>>>>

>>>> Any help appreciated

>>>>

>>>> --

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June 12, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Thought about it again, and it's unlikely that a backup was made AFTER the

screw-up. So, the OP simply has various backups, but who knows which is

which, now. In any case, the first thing I read from the OP is that she'd

tried all the Registry backups with no luck.

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> Except, having tried all the Registry backups, I suspect that all the OP

>> is

>> left with is the backup that got made AFTER things hit the fan.

>

> That may be true. He may not even have any, but if it just happened, he

> likely might.

>

>> When you

>> restore a Registry using Scanreg /Restore, it wipes out the oldest backup

>> to

>> make room for the backup it does before restoring a backup.

>

> Yup.

>

>> Do that five

>> times and all you have left are five copies of the original Registry that

>> existed before any attempts to restore got started.

>

> Which is why I sometimes save (copy) the RB backups to another folder -

> for precisely that reason. :-)

>

>> My other main point was to get rid of the entire Network schmear,

>> specifically so that any mistaken configuration that might be causing the

>> BSOD will, with any luck, gets nullified.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:ePqngWLzIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> I think Don's suggestion of simply restoring the prior registry backup

>>> would be simpler though, right?

>>>

>>> OR you could do this list below, and then restore the prior registry

>>> backup, to have an even cleaner system, I expect.

>>>

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>> 1. Boot into Safe Mode.

>>>> 2. Remove the ADSL setup software that you previously installed.

>>>> 3. Remove everything in the Control Panel>Network applet

>>>> 3. Reboot

>>>>

>>>> Does that get you back into Windows?

>>>>

>>>> You do not set up an ADSL modem for each computer. Is this *only* a

>>>> modem

>>>> (one phone cord, one LAN cable, one power cord, that's all) or is it

>>>> also

>>>> a

>>>> router. What make/model modem?

>>>>

>>>> What version of Windows 98? Original flavor or Second Edition?

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>> "partymarty4870" <partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com...

>>>>>

>>>>> This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

>>>>> an old computer.

>>>>>

>>>>> Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

>>>>> win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

>>>>>

>>>>> Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

>>>>> while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

>>>>>

>>>>> "Explorer

>>>>>

>>>>> This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

>>>>> down........(you know the rest)

>>>>>

>>>>> Details

>>>>> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

>>>>> 015f:0040lf3l

>>>>>

>>>>> Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply

>>>>> do a fresh install on windows.

>>>>>

>>>>> I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I

>>>>> had. this has not fixed the problem.

>>>>>

>>>>> I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not

>>>>> fix the problem.

>>>>>

>>>>> I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

>>>>>

>>>>> I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

>>>>>

>>>>> I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC,

>>>>> which

>>>>> i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

>>>>>

>>>>> Any help appreciated

>>>>>

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Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

thanks guys/girls

I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately any

solution has to be in DOS.

I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when this

drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a modem. I was

installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that can run on 98.

I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched 98,

this is so frustrating!!

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Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:19:16 +0530, partymarty4870

<partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> put finger to keyboard and

composed:

>This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

>an old computer.

>

>Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

>win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

Your IP address suggests you are with Optusnet. When I was an Optus

customer several years ago I didn't need to install any Optus setup

software. The only time you need their software is if you are

connecting via the USB port of your modem.

Manual setup procedures for various modems are available at the

following URLs:

Windows Setup for non-Optus supplied modems:

http://www.optuszoo.com.au/help/dsl/connected/windows/modemme

Windows Setup for Optus supplied modems:

http://www.optuszoo.com.au/help/dsl/connected/windows/optus_modems

BTW, my Optus supplied D-Link DSL-302G modem/router was delivered with

NAT disabled. You may want to check yours.

- Franc Zabkar

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June 12, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

The Speedstream 4200 is a router. It can use an ethernet or USB connection.

Which way were you attempting to connect?

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>

> thanks guys/girls

>

> I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately any

> solution has to be in DOS.

>

> I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when this

> drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a modem. I was

> installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that can run on 98.

>

> I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched 98,

> this is so frustrating!!

>

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Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:40:01 +0530, partymarty4870

<partymarty4870.3ax0jg@DoNotSpam.com> put finger to keyboard and

composed:

>

>thanks guys/girls

>

>I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately any

>solution has to be in DOS.

>

>I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when this

>drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a modem. I was

>installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that can run on 98.

The modem doesn't need drivers, unless you are connecting via USB. I

suggest you use Ethernet instead.

If you eventually get into Windows, then this is the manual Windows

setup procedure:

http://www.optuszoo.com.au/help/dsl/connected/windows/optus_modems/speedstream_4200

>I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched 98,

>this is so frustrating!!

- Franc Zabkar

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June 12, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Just to make sure, you said you'd been on for 20 minutes. You mean the

machine had been running for 20 minutes? And then, what, you installed the

software that sets up the machine to connect to the router and it crashed in

the middle of the install. Won't even start in Safe Mode but will start in

Command Prompt Only. Registry restorations don't help...

What happens? When you boot to either Normal or Safe modes from the Startup

Menu, exactly what happens? Nothing?

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

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>

> thanks guys/girls

>

> I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately any

> solution has to be in DOS.

>

> I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when this

> drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a modem. I was

> installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that can run on 98.

>

> I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched 98,

> this is so frustrating!!

>

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June 13, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:19:16 +0530, partymarty4870

<partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> put finger to keyboard and

composed:

>

>This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

>an old computer.

>

>Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

>win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

>

>Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

>while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

>

>"Explorer

>

>This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

>down........(you know the rest)

>

>Details

>EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

>015f:0040lf3l

>

>Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply

>do a fresh install on windows.

>

>I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I

>had. this has not fixed the problem.

>

>I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not

>fix the problem.

>

>I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

>

>I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

>

>I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC, which

>i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

>

>Any help appreciated

FWIW, I use the following code in a .bat file to check for autorun

components in my system. All lines begin with a space. Any lines not

beginning with a space have wrapped.

===========================================================================

echo Analysing registry and win.ini for autorun components ...

echo.

regedit /e %temp%.\{1}

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

type %temp%.\{1} | find /v "REGEDIT4" > %temp%.\{2}

regedit /e %temp%.\{1}

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce

type %temp%.\{1} | find /v "REGEDIT4" >> %temp%.\{2}

regedit /e %temp%.\{1}

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices

type %temp%.\{1} | find /v "REGEDIT4" >> %temp%.\{2}

regedit /e %temp%.\{1}

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServicesOnce

type %temp%.\{1} | find /v "REGEDIT4" >> %temp%.\{2}

echo. >> %temp%.\{2}

type %winbootdir%.\win.ini | find "load=" >> %temp%.\{2}

type %winbootdir%.\win.ini | find "run=" >> %temp%.\{2}

more < %temp%.\{2}

===========================================================================

You could probably modify the above code to look for other registry

components (eg Explorer shell extensions ???).

- Franc Zabkar

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Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

partymarty4870 wrote:

| thanks guys/girls

|

| I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately any

| solution has to be in DOS.

|

| I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when this

| drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a modem. I was

| installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that can run on 98.

|

| I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched 98,

| this is so frustrating!!

The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, then do as

the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.

Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as well try

this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site, which is a temporary

reversion to an earlier version of IE...

ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile, because, if

you move a file with it, you will lose that file's LFN (Long File Name)

in the destination.

(1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.

(2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the computer. Hold

CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in

one-second intervals. If you complete this step successfully, the

Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed. If no menu is displayed and

Windows starts up normally, repeat this step.

(3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to select

"Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.

(4) At the command prompt, type:

EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

Press ENTER.

(5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text under the

[boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is typically the

third line in the file.

(6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the "Explorer.exe"

text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The line should list the

following:

Shell=Winfile.exe

(7) To save the changes...

(a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

A "Save File" requestor appears.

(b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command prompt.

(TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

(8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts into the

Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).

(9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the left

hand window to open the Program Files folder.

(10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open the

Internet Explorer folder.

(11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the Setup

folder.

(12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in the right

hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.

NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer has not

been updated and a previous version of Internet Explorer cannot be

restored. You cannot use this method. Close "Winfile", shut down, & post

back, or try the URL at the very bottom of this post, which is an

over-install of IE.

(13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup window, click

OK.

(14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the previous

version of Internet Explorer.

(15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.

(16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart Windows

dialog box, click Restart Windows.

When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup Menu, or

begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete this

step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed. If

no menu is displayed and Windows starts up normally, repeat this step.

(17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to select

Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.

(18) At the command prompt, type:

EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

Press ENTER.

(19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text under

the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is typically the

third line in the file.

(20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the "Winfile.exe"

text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The line should list the

following:

Shell=Explorer.exe

(21) To save the changes...

(a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

A "Save File" requestor appears.

(b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command prompt.

(TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

(22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys

(23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be

accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When

finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an

older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You

should update your antivirus software, and then perform

Windows Update to install a new version of Internet

Explorer again.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191

Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You Install

Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an earlier IE, IF

that option is present.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174

Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I have a

detailed write-up for it, if you want.

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Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

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June 13, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| Except, having tried all the Registry backups, I suspect that all the

| OP is left with is the backup that got made AFTER things hit the fan.

| When you restore a Registry using Scanreg /Restore, it wipes out the

| oldest backup to make room for the backup it does before restoring a

| backup.

Uhuh. Whatever mis-shapen Registry he started with after the failed

install in effect replaces the oldest RB..cab of the five choices!

| Do that five times and all you have left are five copies of

| the original Registry that existed before any attempts to restore got

| started.

Yep. My own recent experimentation confirms that. It's spooky & sloppy!

If you start with the most recent & work your way to the oldest-- you

never get there! You can get only 3 different ones really-- probably no

matter which end you start with! But I'm not sure really what happens

when one starts with the oldest & works ones way up! I wonder whether

XP's ERUNT is as sloppy & spooky!

| My other main point was to get rid of the entire Network schmear,

| specifically so that any mistaken configuration that might be causing

| the BSOD will, with any luck, gets nullified.

|

| --

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| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://grystmill.com

|

| "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

| news:ePqngWLzIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|>I think Don's suggestion of simply restoring the prior registry backup

|>would be simpler though, right?

|>

|> OR you could do this list below, and then restore the prior registry

|> backup, to have an even cleaner system, I expect.

|>

|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|>> 1. Boot into Safe Mode.

|>> 2. Remove the ADSL setup software that you previously installed.

|>> 3. Remove everything in the Control Panel>Network applet

|>> 3. Reboot

|>>

|>> Does that get you back into Windows?

|>>

|>> You do not set up an ADSL modem for each computer. Is this *only* a

|>> modem (one phone cord, one LAN cable, one power cord, that's all)

|>> or is it also a

|>> router. What make/model modem?

|>>

|>> What version of Windows 98? Original flavor or Second Edition?

|>>

|>> --

|>> Gary S. Terhune

|>> MS-MVP Shell/User

|>> http://grystmill.com

|>>

|>> "partymarty4870" <partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in

|>> message news:partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com...

|>>>

|>>> This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am

|>>> setting up an old computer.

|>>>

|>>> Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it

|>>> crashed win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

|>>>

|>>> Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

|>>> while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

|>>>

|>>> "Explorer

|>>>

|>>> This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

|>>> down........(you know the rest)

|>>>

|>>> Details

|>>> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

|>>> 015f:0040lf3l

|>>>

|>>> Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not

|>>> simply do a fresh install on windows.

|>>>

|>>> I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc

|>>> I had. this has not fixed the problem.

|>>>

|>>> I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did

|>>> not fix the problem.

|>>>

|>>> I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

|>>>

|>>> I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

|>>>

|>>> I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC,

|>>> which i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

|>>>

|>>> Any help appreciated

|>>>

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Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

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June 13, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Sorry, forgot you'd reported the error with Explorer. Unfortunately, the

when I looked up an error it was from someone with a similar problem, just

with a different application.

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http://grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:u8Vh7cOzIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Just to make sure, you said you'd been on for 20 minutes. You mean the

> machine had been running for 20 minutes? And then, what, you installed the

> software that sets up the machine to connect to the router and it crashed

> in the middle of the install. Won't even start in Safe Mode but will start

> in Command Prompt Only. Registry restorations don't help...

>

> What happens? When you boot to either Normal or Safe modes from the

> Startup Menu, exactly what happens? Nothing?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "partymarty4870" <partymarty4870.3ax0jg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

> news:partymarty4870.3ax0jg@DoNotSpam.com...

>>

>> thanks guys/girls

>>

>> I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately any

>> solution has to be in DOS.

>>

>> I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when this

>> drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a modem. I was

>> installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that can run on 98.

>>

>> I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched 98,

>> this is so frustrating!!

>>

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>>

>

June 13, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and a repair or

reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to Add/Remove Programs and

uninstalling the app he was installing when the machine crashed might help

the most. THEN, if there are still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the

reinstall unless absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL

Hell and definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU.

But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he shows up soon

and stays. For someone who was supposedly under such a deadline, he didn't

act like it here. Heck, even when whatever it is he needed the laptop for is

done, he still needs to fix that borrowed computer.

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> partymarty4870 wrote:

> | thanks guys/girls

> |

> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately any

> | solution has to be in DOS.

> |

> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when this

> | drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a modem. I was

> | installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that can run on 98.

> |

> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched 98,

> | this is so frustrating!!

>

> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, then do as

> the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.

>

> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as well try

> this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site, which is a temporary

> reversion to an earlier version of IE...

>

> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile, because, if

> you move a file with it, you will lose that file's LFN (Long File Name)

> in the destination.

>

> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.

>

> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the computer. Hold

> CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in

> one-second intervals. If you complete this step successfully, the

> Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed. If no menu is displayed and

> Windows starts up normally, repeat this step.

>

> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to select

> "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.

>

> (4) At the command prompt, type:

> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

> Press ENTER.

>

> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text under the

> [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is typically the

> third line in the file.

>

> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the "Explorer.exe"

> text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The line should list the

> following:

> Shell=Winfile.exe

>

> (7) To save the changes...

> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

> A "Save File" requestor appears.

> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command prompt.

> (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

>

> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts into the

> Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).

>

> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the left

> hand window to open the Program Files folder.

>

> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open the

> Internet Explorer folder.

>

> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the Setup

> folder.

>

> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in the right

> hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.

>

> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer has not

> been updated and a previous version of Internet Explorer cannot be

> restored. You cannot use this method. Close "Winfile", shut down, & post

> back, or try the URL at the very bottom of this post, which is an

> over-install of IE.

>

> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup window, click

> OK.

>

> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the previous

> version of Internet Explorer.

>

> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.

>

> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart Windows

> dialog box, click Restart Windows.

>

> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup Menu, or

> begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete this

>

> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed. If

> no menu is displayed and Windows starts up normally, repeat this step.

>

> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to select

> Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.

>

> (18) At the command prompt, type:

> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

> Press ENTER.

>

> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text under

> the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is typically the

> third line in the file.

>

> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the "Winfile.exe"

> text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The line should list the

> following:

> Shell=Explorer.exe

>

> (21) To save the changes...

> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

> A "Save File" requestor appears.

> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command prompt.

> (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

>

> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys

>

> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be

> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When

> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an

> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You

> should update your antivirus software, and then perform

> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet

> Explorer again.

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191

> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You Install

> Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an earlier IE, IF

> that option is present.

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174

> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I have a

> detailed write-up for it, if you want.

>

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> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

June 14, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and a

| repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to Add/Remove

| Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing when the machine

| crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are still problems, do IE

| Repair (avoid the reinstall unless absolutely necessary. Can

| potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell and definitely requires that a

| few patches be reinstalled at WU.

Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot to

WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get to the

Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.

| But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he shows up

| soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under such a deadline,

| he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when whatever it is he needed

| the laptop for is done, he still needs to fix that borrowed computer.

He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character & gotten

murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this NG for less!

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://grystmill.com

|

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> partymarty4870 wrote:

|> | thanks guys/girls

|> |

|> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately any

|> | solution has to be in DOS.

|> |

|> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when this

|> | drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a modem. I was

|> | installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that can run on 98.

|> |

|> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched

|> | 98, this is so frustrating!!

|>

|> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, then do

|> as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.

|>

|> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as well

|> try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site, which is a

|> temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE...

|>

|> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile, because,

|> if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's LFN (Long File

|> Name) in the destination.

|>

|> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.

|>

|> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the computer. Hold

|> CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key

|> in one-second intervals. If you complete this step successfully, the

|> Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed. If no menu is displayed

|> and Windows starts up normally, repeat this step.

|>

|> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to

|> select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.

|>

|> (4) At the command prompt, type:

|> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

|> Press ENTER.

|>

|> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text under

|> the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is

|> typically the third line in the file.

|>

|> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the "Explorer.exe"

|> text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The line should list the

|> following:

|> Shell=Winfile.exe

|>

|> (7) To save the changes...

|> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

|> A "Save File" requestor appears.

|> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command prompt.

|> (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

|>

|> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

|> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts into the

|> Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).

|>

|> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the left

|> hand window to open the Program Files folder.

|>

|> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open the

|> Internet Explorer folder.

|>

|> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the Setup

|> folder.

|>

|> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in the

|> right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.

|>

|> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer has not

|> been updated and a previous version of Internet Explorer cannot be

|> restored. You cannot use this method. Close "Winfile", shut down, &

|> post back, or try the URL at the very bottom of this post, which is

|> an over-install of IE.

|>

|> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup window,

|> click OK.

|>

|> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the

|> previous version of Internet Explorer.

|>

|> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.

|>

|> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart Windows

|> dialog box, click Restart Windows.

|>

|> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup Menu, or

|> begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete

|> this

|>

|> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed.

|> If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up normally, repeat this

|> step.

|>

|> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to

|> select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.

|>

|> (18) At the command prompt, type:

|> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

|> Press ENTER.

|>

|> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text under

|> the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is typically

|> the third line in the file.

|>

|> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the "Winfile.exe"

|> text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The line should list the

|> following:

|> Shell=Explorer.exe

|>

|> (21) To save the changes...

|> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

|> A "Save File" requestor appears.

|> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command prompt.

|> (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

|>

|> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

|> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys

|>

|> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be

|> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When

|> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an

|> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You

|> should update your antivirus software, and then perform

|> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet

|> Explorer again.

|>

|> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191

|> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You Install

|> Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an earlier IE,

|> IF that option is present.

|>

|> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174

|> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I have a

|> detailed write-up for it, if you want.

|>

|> | --

|> | partymarty4870

|>

| ----------------------------------------------------------------------

|> | -- partymarty4870's Profile:

|> | http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=51471 View this

|> | thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=985039

|> |

|> | http://forums.techarena.in

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

June 14, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

"How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806

In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).

Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller in the

program's folder. If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to run the

installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even install it again

to see if it works this time... Except, I'm betting that the software ISN'T

OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus instructions say 98, making no distinction

between 98 and 98SE. But the drivers direct from the manufacturer say

Win98SE as minimum. Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98

Gold machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The interface

was identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the places I saw it

discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE situation suggest that it

doesn't work very well, if at all.

If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know much

more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software Marty used.

Might be the same as the one from Siemens

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and a

> | repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to Add/Remove

> | Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing when the machine

> | crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are still problems, do IE

> | Repair (avoid the reinstall unless absolutely necessary. Can

> | potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell and definitely requires that a

> | few patches be reinstalled at WU.

>

> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot to

> WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get to the

> Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.

>

> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he shows up

> | soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under such a deadline,

> | he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when whatever it is he needed

> | the laptop for is done, he still needs to fix that borrowed computer.

>

> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character & gotten

> murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this NG for less!

>

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://grystmill.com

> |

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |> partymarty4870 wrote:

> |> | thanks guys/girls

> |> |

> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately any

> |> | solution has to be in DOS.

> |> |

> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when this

> |> | drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a modem. I was

> |> | installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that can run on 98.

> |> |

> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched

> |> | 98, this is so frustrating!!

> |>

> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, then do

> |> as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.

> |>

> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as well

> |> try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site, which is a

> |> temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE...

> |>

> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile, because,

> |> if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's LFN (Long File

> |> Name) in the destination.

> |>

> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.

> |>

> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the computer. Hold

> |> CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key

> |> in one-second intervals. If you complete this step successfully, the

> |> Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed. If no menu is displayed

> |> and Windows starts up normally, repeat this step.

> |>

> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to

> |> select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.

> |>

> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:

> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

> |> Press ENTER.

> |>

> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text under

> |> the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is

> |> typically the third line in the file.

> |>

> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the "Explorer.exe"

> |> text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The line should list the

> |> following:

> |> Shell=Winfile.exe

> |>

> |> (7) To save the changes...

> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command prompt.

> |> (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

> |>

> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts into the

> |> Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).

> |>

> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the left

> |> hand window to open the Program Files folder.

> |>

> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open the

> |> Internet Explorer folder.

> |>

> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the Setup

> |> folder.

> |>

> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in the

> |> right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.

> |>

> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer has not

> |> been updated and a previous version of Internet Explorer cannot be

> |> restored. You cannot use this method. Close "Winfile", shut down, &

> |> post back, or try the URL at the very bottom of this post, which is

> |> an over-install of IE.

> |>

> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup window,

> |> click OK.

> |>

> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the

> |> previous version of Internet Explorer.

> |>

> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.

> |>

> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart Windows

> |> dialog box, click Restart Windows.

> |>

> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup Menu, or

> |> begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete

> |> this

> |>

> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed.

> |> If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up normally, repeat this

> |> step.

> |>

> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to

> |> select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.

> |>

> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:

> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

> |> Press ENTER.

> |>

> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text under

> |> the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is typically

> |> the third line in the file.

> |>

> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the "Winfile.exe"

> |> text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The line should list the

> |> following:

> |> Shell=Explorer.exe

> |>

> |> (21) To save the changes...

> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command prompt.

> |> (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

> |>

> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys

> |>

> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be

> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When

> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an

> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You

> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform

> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet

> |> Explorer again.

> |>

> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191

> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You Install

> |> Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an earlier IE,

> |> IF that option is present.

> |>

> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174

> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I have a

> |> detailed write-up for it, if you want.

> |>

> |> | --

> |> | partymarty4870

> |>

> | ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> |> | -- partymarty4870's Profile:

> |> | http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=51471 View this

> |> | thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=985039

> |> |

> |> | http://forums.techarena.in

> |>

> |> --

> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> PCR

> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

June 14, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

PCR wrote:

>

> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &

> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this NG

> for less!

You should write a book. Very entertaining! :)

June 14, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

"partymarty4870" <partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

news:partymarty4870.3aw8rg@DoNotSpam.com...

>

> This has me stumped, I have not used WIN98 for years but am setting up

> an old computer.

>

> Whilst installing an ADSL modem (working fine on my laptop) it crashed

> win98 during the install (surprise,surprise).

>

> Upon restarting WIN98 after Windows welcome screen it stalls for a

> while at the Blue screen of death then an error message appears

>

> "Explorer

>

> This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut

> down........(you know the rest)

>

> Details

> EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER>EXE at

> 015f:0040lf3l

>

> Now the problem is this. It is a borrowed computer so I can not simply

> do a fresh install on windows.

>

> I have extracted and replaced explorer.exe from a old win98se disc I

> had. this has not fixed the problem.

>

> I have gone to every registry refresh point via scanreg. This did not

> fix the problem.

>

> I have run scanreg/fix. this didn't fix the problem.

>

> I have spent six hours searching for solutions on the net

>

> I have approx 48hrs to fix this or I will have to buy another PC, which

> i do not want to do for the 3 weeks it will be needed.

>

> Any help appreciated

I have win98se and it would just simply stop during start-up. The last

screen it had up was an AVG screen. Couldnt tell which one as it just

flashed the border on the screen, then stalled,..dead, nada, zippo. What to

do? After mucking around for about an hour, I found it would start OK in

"safe-mode". So I ran "maintenance wizard" (scan-disk and defrag) from

"programs" "system tools" and the problem went away,...for a few days.

Eventually, I uninstalled AVG and re-installed it from scratch. This was a

permanent fix.

The only thing i can think of which caused AVG to spaz-out the PC was a

habit we had of "pause scanning" during an AVG daily scans, and then

forgetting to let it finish. Since then, I properly close AVG, and let it do

a full scan during times the PC is not in use. On dial-up, AVG caused the PC

to go so slow (on other tasks)that it was unuseable. It also takes over

hour.

Jason

June 15, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Buffalo wrote:

| PCR wrote:

|>

|> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &

|> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this NG

|> for less!

|

| You should write a book. Very entertaining! :)

:).

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

June 15, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"

| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806

|

| In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).

Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted here

before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control appwiz.cpl.

It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a Master Post!

| Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller

| in the program's folder.

That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style names.

However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have once/twice

posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile Run box. I guess

it could be worth a try even in this particular case where OP's machine

won't boot directly to Explorer.

| If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to

| run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even

| install it again to see if it works this time... Except, I'm betting

| that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus

| instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and 98SE. But

| the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE as minimum.

| Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98 Gold machine,

| but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The interface was

| identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the places I saw it

| discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE situation suggest

| that it doesn't work very well, if at all.

Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did

actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is that

like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- BUT that was

in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- once he clicked the

right program to install! He tried 3 times clicking something else

first!

| If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know

| much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software

| Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens

It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a WinFile Run

box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS names!

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://grystmill.com

|

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and a

|> | repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to

|> | Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing

|> | when the machine crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are

|> | still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the reinstall unless

|> | absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell and

|> | definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU.

|>

|> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot to

|> WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get to the

|> Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.

|>

|> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he shows

|> | up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under such a

|> | deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when whatever it

|> | is he needed the laptop for is done, he still needs to fix that

|> | borrowed computer.

|>

|> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &

|> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this NG

|> for less!

|>

|> | --

|> | Gary S. Terhune

|> | MS-MVP Shell/User

|> | http://grystmill.com

|> |

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> partymarty4870 wrote:

|> |> | thanks guys/girls

|> |> |

|> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately

|> |> | any solution has to be in DOS.

|> |> |

|> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when

|> |> | this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a

|> |> | modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that

|> |> | can run on 98.

|> |> |

|> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched

|> |> | 98, this is so frustrating!!

|> |>

|> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, then

|> |> do as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.

|> |>

|> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as well

|> |> try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site, which is a

|> |> temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE...

|> |>

|> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,

|> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's

|> |> LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.

|> |>

|> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.

|> |>

|> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the computer.

|> |> Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin pressing the

|> |> F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete this step

|> |> successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed. If

|> |> no menu is displayed and Windows starts up normally, repeat this

|> |> step.

|> |>

|> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to

|> |> select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.

|> |>

|> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:

|> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

|> |> Press ENTER.

|> |>

|> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text

|> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is

|> |> typically the third line in the file.

|> |>

|> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the

|> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The line

|> |> should list the following:

|> |> Shell=Winfile.exe

|> |>

|> |> (7) To save the changes...

|> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

|> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

|> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command

|> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

|> |>

|> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

|> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts into

|> |> the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).

|> |>

|> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the

|> |> left hand window to open the Program Files folder.

|> |>

|> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open the

|> |> Internet Explorer folder.

|> |>

|> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the

|> |> Setup folder.

|> |>

|> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in the

|> |> right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.

|> |>

|> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer has

|> |> not been updated and a previous version of Internet Explorer

|> |> cannot be restored. You cannot use this method. Close "Winfile",

|> |> shut down, & post back, or try the URL at the very bottom of this

|> |> post, which is an over-install of IE.

|> |>

|> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup window,

|> |> click OK.

|> |>

|> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the

|> |> previous version of Internet Explorer.

|> |>

|> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.

|> |>

|> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart

|> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.

|> |>

|> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup Menu,

|> |> or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you

|> |> complete this

|> |>

|> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is

|> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up

|> |> normally, repeat this step.

|> |>

|> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to

|> |> select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.

|> |>

|> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:

|> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

|> |> Press ENTER.

|> |>

|> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text

|> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is

|> |> typically the third line in the file.

|> |>

|> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the

|> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The line

|> |> should list the following:

|> |> Shell=Explorer.exe

|> |>

|> |> (21) To save the changes...

|> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

|> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

|> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command

|> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

|> |>

|> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

|> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys

|> |>

|> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be

|> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When

|> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an

|> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You

|> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform

|> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet

|> |> Explorer again.

|> |>

|> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191

|> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You

|> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an

|> |> earlier IE, IF that option is present.

|> |>

|> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174

|> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I have

|> |> a detailed write-up for it, if you want.

|> |>

|> |> | --

|> |> | partymarty4870

|> |>

|>

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|> |>

|> |> --

|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> |> Should things get worse after this,

|> |> PCR

|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

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Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

June 15, 2008

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform to 8.3

naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a bit about the

structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you can usually figure out

what a folder's name is to enough of a degree to know if it's what you're

looking for. Exploring the contents of a folder, of course, would help even

more.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

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> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"

> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806

> |

> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).

>

> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted here

> before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control appwiz.cpl.

> It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a Master Post!

>

> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller

> | in the program's folder.

>

> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style names.

> However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have once/twice

> posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile Run box. I guess

> it could be worth a try even in this particular case where OP's machine

> won't boot directly to Explorer.

>

> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to

> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even

> | install it again to see if it works this time... Except, I'm betting

> | that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus

> | instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and 98SE. But

> | the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE as minimum.

> | Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98 Gold machine,

> | but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The interface was

> | identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the places I saw it

> | discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE situation suggest

> | that it doesn't work very well, if at all.

>

> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did

> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is that

> like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- BUT that was

> in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- once he clicked the

> right program to install! He tried 3 times clicking something else

> first!

>

> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know

> | much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software

> | Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens

>

> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a WinFile Run

> box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS names!

>

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://grystmill.com

> |

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and a

> |> | repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to

> |> | Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing

> |> | when the machine crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are

> |> | still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the reinstall unless

> |> | absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell and

> |> | definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU.

> |>

> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot to

> |> WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get to the

> |> Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.

> |>

> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he shows

> |> | up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under such a

> |> | deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when whatever it

> |> | is he needed the laptop for is done, he still needs to fix that

> |> | borrowed computer.

> |>

> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &

> |> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this NG

> |> for less!

> |>

> |> | --

> |> | Gary S. Terhune

> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> | http://grystmill.com

> |> |

> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote:

> |> |> | thanks guys/girls

> |> |> |

> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So unfortunately

> |> |> | any solution has to be in DOS.

> |> |> |

> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins when

> |> |> | this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, just a

> |> |> | modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state on disc that

> |> |> | can run on 98.

> |> |> |

> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or touched

> |> |> | 98, this is so frustrating!!

> |> |>

> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, then

> |> |> do as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.

> |> |>

> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as well

> |> |> try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site, which is a

> |> |> temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE...

> |> |>

> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,

> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's

> |> |> LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.

> |> |>

> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.

> |> |>

> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the computer.

> |> |> Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin pressing the

> |> |> F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete this step

> |> |> successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is displayed. If

> |> |> no menu is displayed and Windows starts up normally, repeat this

> |> |> step.

> |> |>

> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to

> |> |> select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.

> |> |>

> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:

> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

> |> |> Press ENTER.

> |> |>

> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text

> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is

> |> |> typically the third line in the file.

> |> |>

> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the

> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The line

> |> |> should list the following:

> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe

> |> |>

> |> |> (7) To save the changes...

> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command

> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

> |> |>

> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

> |> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts into

> |> |> the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).

> |> |>

> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the

> |> |> left hand window to open the Program Files folder.

> |> |>

> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open the

> |> |> Internet Explorer folder.

> |> |>

> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the

> |> |> Setup folder.

> |> |>

> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in the

> |> |> right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.

> |> |>

> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer has

> |> |> not been updated and a previous version of Internet Explorer

> |> |> cannot be restored. You cannot use this method. Close "Winfile",

> |> |> shut down, & post back, or try the URL at the very bottom of this

> |> |> post, which is an over-install of IE.

> |> |>

> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup window,

> |> |> click OK.

> |> |>

> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the

> |> |> previous version of Internet Explorer.

> |> |>

> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.

> |> |>

> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart

> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.

> |> |>

> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup Menu,

> |> |> or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you

> |> |> complete this

> |> |>

> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is

> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up

> |> |> normally, repeat this step.

> |> |>

> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys to

> |> |> select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.

> |> |>

> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:

> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

> |> |> Press ENTER.

> |> |>

> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text

> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is

> |> |> typically the third line in the file.

> |> |>

> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the

> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The line

> |> |> should list the following:

> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe

> |> |>

> |> |> (21) To save the changes...

> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command

> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

> |> |>

> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

> |> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys

> |> |>

> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be

> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When

> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an

> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You

> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform

> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet

> |> |> Explorer again.

> |> |>

> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191

> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You

> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an

> |> |> earlier IE, IF that option is present.

> |> |>

> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174

> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I have

> |> |> a detailed write-up for it, if you want.

> |> |>

> |> |> | --

> |> |> | partymarty4870

> |> |>

> |>

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> |> |> --

> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> |> PCR

> |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

> |>

> |> --

> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> PCR

> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

> --

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> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

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