win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

[Guest PCR]

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform

| to 8.3 naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a bit

| about the structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you can

| usually figure out what a folder's name is to enough of a degree to

| know if it's what you're looking for. Exploring the contents of a

| folder, of course, would help even more.

 

Maybe. Still, it would be tough to talk one through it. I guess the

suggestion could be made that OP try to do it on his own or to go look &

report back. I certainly wouldn't know the folder/file names in this

particular case. And certainly the use of WinFile's File>Run for the

Control Panel should be mentioned. Thanks for reminding me about that--

in case you fall into another earthquake too deep for your poodles to

reach or are murdered by MEB!

 

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://grystmill.com

|

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"

|> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806

|> |

|> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).

|>

|> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted

|> here before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control

|> appwiz.cpl. It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a

|> Master Post!

|>

|> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller

|> | in the program's folder.

|>

|> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style

|> names. However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have

|> once/twice posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile

|> Run box. I guess it could be worth a try even in this particular

|> case where OP's machine won't boot directly to Explorer.

|>

|> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to

|> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even

|> | install it again to see if it works this time... Except, I'm

|> | betting that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus

|> | instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and 98SE. But

|> | the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE as minimum.

|> | Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98 Gold

|> | machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The

|> | interface was identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the

|> | places I saw it discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE

|> | situation suggest that it doesn't work very well, if at all.

|>

|> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did

|> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is that

|> like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- BUT that

|> was in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- once he

|> clicked the right program to install! He tried 3 times clicking

|> something else first!

|>

|> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know

|> | much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software

|> | Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens

|>

|> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a WinFile

|> Run box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS names!

|>

|> | --

|> | Gary S. Terhune

|> | MS-MVP Shell/User

|> | http://grystmill.com

|> |

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and

|> |> | a repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to

|> |> | Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing

|> |> | when the machine crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are

|> |> | still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the reinstall unless

|> |> | absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell

|> |> | and definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU.

|> |>

|> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot

|> |> to WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get

|> |> to the Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.

|> |>

|> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he

|> |> | shows up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under

|> |> | such a deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when

|> |> | whatever it is he needed the laptop for is done, he still needs

|> |> | to fix that borrowed computer.

|> |>

|> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &

|> |> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this

|> |> NG for less!

|> |>

|> |> | --

|> |> | Gary S. Terhune

|> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> | http://grystmill.com

|> |> |

|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote:

|> |> |> | thanks guys/girls

|> |> |> |

|> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So

|> |> |> | unfortunately any solution has to be in DOS.

|> |> |> |

|> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins

|> |> |> | when this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200,

|> |> |> | just a modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state on

|> |> |> | disc that can run on 98.

|> |> |> |

|> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or

|> |> |> | touched 98, this is so frustrating!!

|> |> |>

|> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so,

|> |> |> then do as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as

|> |> |> well try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site,

|> |> |> which is a temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE...

|> |> |>

|> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,

|> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's

|> |> |> LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the

|> |> |> computer. Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin

|> |> |> pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete

|> |> |> this step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is

|> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up

|> |> |> normally, repeat this step.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys

|> |> |> to select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:

|> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

|> |> |> Press ENTER.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text

|> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This

|> |> |> is typically the third line in the file.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the

|> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The

|> |> |> line should list the following:

|> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (7) To save the changes...

|> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

|> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

|> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command

|> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

|> |> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts

|> |> |> into the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the

|> |> |> left hand window to open the Program Files folder.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open

|> |> |> the Internet Explorer folder.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the

|> |> |> Setup folder.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in

|> |> |> the right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer

|> |> |> has not been updated and a previous version of Internet

|> |> |> Explorer cannot be restored. You cannot use this method. Close

|> |> |> "Winfile", shut down, & post back, or try the URL at the very

|> |> |> bottom of this post, which is an over-install of IE.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup

|> |> |> window, click OK.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the

|> |> |> previous version of Internet Explorer.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart

|> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup

|> |> |> Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If

|> |> |> you complete this

|> |> |>

|> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is

|> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up

|> |> |> normally, repeat this step.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys

|> |> |> to select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:

|> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

|> |> |> Press ENTER.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text

|> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This

|> |> |> is typically the third line in the file.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the

|> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The

|> |> |> line should list the following:

|> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (21) To save the changes...

|> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

|> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

|> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command

|> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing

|> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys

|> |> |>

|> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be

|> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When

|> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an

|> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You

|> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform

|> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet

|> |> |> Explorer again.

|> |> |>

|> |> |>

|> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191

|> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You

|> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an

|> |> |> earlier IE, IF that option is present.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174

|> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I

|> |> |> have a detailed write-up for it, if you want.

|> |> |>

|> |> |>

|> |> |> | --

|> |> |> | partymarty4870

|> |> |>

|> |>

|>

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|> |> |>

 

....snip

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

 

Simple solution: In Run

DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s > c:\progdir.txt

 

I dunno, maybe add another switch or two to the command.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:e3hSFDqzIHA.2408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> | Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform

> | to 8.3 naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a bit

> | about the structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you can

> | usually figure out what a folder's name is to enough of a degree to

> | know if it's what you're looking for. Exploring the contents of a

> | folder, of course, would help even more.

>

> Maybe. Still, it would be tough to talk one through it. I guess the

> suggestion could be made that OP try to do it on his own or to go look &

> report back. I certainly wouldn't know the folder/file names in this

> particular case. And certainly the use of WinFile's File>Run for the

> Control Panel should be mentioned. Thanks for reminding me about that--

> in case you fall into another earthquake too deep for your poodles to

> reach or are murdered by MEB!

>

> | --

> | Gary S. Terhune

> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> | http://grystmill.com

> |

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> | news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> |> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"

> |> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806

> |> |

> |> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).

> |>

> |> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted

> |> here before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control

> |> appwiz.cpl. It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a

> |> Master Post!

> |>

> |> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller

> |> | in the program's folder.

> |>

> |> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style

> |> names. However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have

> |> once/twice posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile

> |> Run box. I guess it could be worth a try even in this particular

> |> case where OP's machine won't boot directly to Explorer.

> |>

> |> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to

> |> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even

> |> | install it again to see if it works this time... Except, I'm

> |> | betting that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus

> |> | instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and 98SE. But

> |> | the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE as minimum.

> |> | Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98 Gold

> |> | machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The

> |> | interface was identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the

> |> | places I saw it discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE

> |> | situation suggest that it doesn't work very well, if at all.

> |>

> |> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did

> |> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is that

> |> like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- BUT that

> |> was in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- once he

> |> clicked the right program to install! He tried 3 times clicking

> |> something else first!

> |>

> |> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know

> |> | much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software

> |> | Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens

> |>

> |> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a WinFile

> |> Run box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS names!

> |>

> |> | --

> |> | Gary S. Terhune

> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> | http://grystmill.com

> |> |

> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> |> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> |> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and

> |> |> | a repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to

> |> |> | Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing

> |> |> | when the machine crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are

> |> |> | still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the reinstall unless

> |> |> | absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell

> |> |> | and definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU.

> |> |>

> |> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot

> |> |> to WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get

> |> |> to the Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.

> |> |>

> |> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he

> |> |> | shows up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under

> |> |> | such a deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when

> |> |> | whatever it is he needed the laptop for is done, he still needs

> |> |> | to fix that borrowed computer.

> |> |>

> |> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character &

> |> |> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this

> |> |> NG for less!

> |> |>

> |> |> | --

> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune

> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User

> |> |> | http://grystmill.com

> |> |> |

> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> |> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote:

> |> |> |> | thanks guys/girls

> |> |> |> |

> |> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So

> |> |> |> | unfortunately any solution has to be in DOS.

> |> |> |> |

> |> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins

> |> |> |> | when this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200,

> |> |> |> | just a modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state on

> |> |> |> | disc that can run on 98.

> |> |> |> |

> |> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or

> |> |> |> | touched 98, this is so frustrating!!

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so,

> |> |> |> then do as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as

> |> |> |> well try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site,

> |> |> |> which is a temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE...

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,

> |> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's

> |> |> |> LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the

> |> |> |> computer. Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin

> |> |> |> pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete

> |> |> |> this step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is

> |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up

> |> |> |> normally, repeat this step.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys

> |> |> |> to select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:

> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

> |> |> |> Press ENTER.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text

> |> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This

> |> |> |> is typically the third line in the file.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the

> |> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The

> |> |> |> line should list the following:

> |> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (7) To save the changes...

> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command

> |> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the

> |> |> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts

> |> |> |> into the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the

> |> |> |> left hand window to open the Program Files folder.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open

> |> |> |> the Internet Explorer folder.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the

> |> |> |> Setup folder.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in

> |> |> |> the right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer

> |> |> |> has not been updated and a previous version of Internet

> |> |> |> Explorer cannot be restored. You cannot use this method. Close

> |> |> |> "Winfile", shut down, & post back, or try the URL at the very

> |> |> |> bottom of this post, which is an over-install of IE.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup

> |> |> |> window, click OK.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the

> |> |> |> previous version of Internet Explorer.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart

> |> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup

> |> |> |> Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If

> |> |> |> you complete this

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is

> |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up

> |> |> |> normally, repeat this step.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys

> |> |> |> to select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:

> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

> |> |> |> Press ENTER.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text

> |> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This

> |> |> |> is typically the third line in the file.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the

> |> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The

> |> |> |> line should list the following:

> |> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (21) To save the changes...

> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command

> |> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.)

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing

> |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be

> |> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When

> |> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an

> |> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You

> |> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform

> |> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet

> |> |> |> Explorer again.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191

> |> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You

> |> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an

> |> |> |> earlier IE, IF that option is present.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174

> |> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I

> |> |> |> have a detailed write-up for it, if you want.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> | --

> |> |> |> | partymarty4870

> |> |> |>

> |> |>

> |>

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> ...snip

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> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

>

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Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| Simple solution: In Run

| DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s > c:\progdir.txt

|

| I dunno, maybe add another switch or two to the command.

 

He'd have to go to A:\-- in order to get it to the machine that still

works to post it. Also, using /a will list hidden & system files too, if

any...

 

DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s /a > A:\ProgDir.txt

 

OK, thanks. But let's hope it doesn't come to this!

 

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://grystmill.com

|

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:e3hSFDqzIHA.2408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|> | Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform

|> | to 8.3 naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a

|> | bit about the structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you

|> | can usually figure out what a folder's name is to enough of a

|> | degree to know if it's what you're looking for. Exploring the

|> | contents of a folder, of course, would help even more.

|>

|> Maybe. Still, it would be tough to talk one through it. I guess the

|> suggestion could be made that OP try to do it on his own or to go

|> look & report back. I certainly wouldn't know the folder/file names

|> in this particular case. And certainly the use of WinFile's File>Run

|> for the Control Panel should be mentioned. Thanks for reminding me

|> about that-- in case you fall into another earthquake too deep for

|> your poodles to reach or are murdered by MEB!

|>

|> | --

|> | Gary S. Terhune

|> | MS-MVP Shell/User

|> | http://grystmill.com

|> |

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|> |> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command"

|> |> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806

|> |> |

|> |> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s).

|> |>

|> |> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted

|> |> here before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control

|> |> appwiz.cpl. It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a

|> |> Master Post!

|> |>

|> |> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an

|> |> | uninstaller in the program's folder.

|> |>

|> |> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style

|> |> names. However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have

|> |> once/twice posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile

|> |> Run box. I guess it could be worth a try even in this particular

|> |> case where OP's machine won't boot directly to Explorer.

|> |>

|> |> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to

|> |> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or

|> |> | even install it again to see if it works this time... Except,

|> |> | I'm betting that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the

|> |> | Optus instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and

|> |> | 98SE. But the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE

|> |> | as minimum. Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on

|> |> | a 98 Gold machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the

|> |> | device. The interface was identical to that shown on Optus.

|> |> | Anyway, all the places I saw it discussed in forums that might

|> |> | relate to a Win98FE situation suggest that it doesn't work very

|> |> | well, if at all.

|> |>

|> |> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did

|> |> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is

|> |> that like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine--

|> |> BUT that was in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly--

|> |> once he clicked the right program to install! He tried 3 times

|> |> clicking something else first!

|> |>

|> |> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To

|> |> | know much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual

|> |> | software Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens

|> |>

|> |> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a

|> |> WinFile Run box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS

|> |> names!

|> |>

|> |> | --

|> |> | Gary S. Terhune

|> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> | http://grystmill.com

|> |> |

|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> |> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|> |> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up,

|> |> |> | and a repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet

|> |> |> | going to Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was

|> |> |> | installing when the machine crashed might help the most.

|> |> |> | THEN, if there are still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the

|> |> |> | reinstall unless absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause

|> |> |> | a bit of DLL Hell and definitely requires that a few patches

|> |> |> | be reinstalled at WU.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can

|> |> |> boot to WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how

|> |> |> to get to the Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he

|> |> |> | shows up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under

|> |> |> | such a deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when

|> |> |> | whatever it is he needed the laptop for is done, he still

|> |> |> | needs to fix that borrowed computer.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory

|> |> |> character & gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have

|> |> |> disappeared from this NG for less!

|> |> |>

|> |> |> | --

|> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune

|> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User

|> |> |> | http://grystmill.com

|> |> |> |

|> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> |> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote:

|> |> |> |> | thanks guys/girls

|> |> |> |> |

|> |> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So

|> |> |> |> | unfortunately any solution has to be in DOS.

|> |> |> |> |

|> |> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins

|> |> |> |> | when this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200,

|> |> |> |> | just a modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state

|> |> |> |> | on disc that can run on 98.

|> |> |> |> |

|> |> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or

|> |> |> |> | touched 98, this is so frustrating!!

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so,

|> |> |> |> then do as the others said to get your modem

|> |> |> |> un/re-installed.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may

|> |> |> |> as well try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB

|> |> |> |> site, which is a temporary reversion to an earlier version

|> |> |> |> of IE...

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile,

|> |> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that

|> |> |> |> file's LFN (Long File Name) in the destination.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the

|> |> |> |> computer. Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or

|> |> |> |> begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you

|> |> |> |> complete this step successfully, the Microsoft Windows

|> |> |> |> Startup Menu is displayed. If no menu is displayed and

|> |> |> |> Windows starts up normally, repeat this step.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW

|> |> |> |> keys to select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the

|> |> |> |> ENTER key.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type:

|> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

|> |> |> |> Press ENTER.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of

|> |> |> |> text under the [boot] section that lists

|> |> |> |> "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is typically the third line in

|> |> |> |> the file.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the

|> |> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The

|> |> |> |> line should list the following:

|> |> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (7) To save the changes...

|> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

|> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

|> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the

|> |> |> |> command prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the

|> |> |> |> requestor.)

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing

|> |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it

|> |> |> |> starts into the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe).

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in

|> |> |> |> the left hand window to open the Program Files folder.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open

|> |> |> |> the Internet Explorer folder.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open

|> |> |> |> the Setup folder.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in

|> |> |> |> the right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet

|> |> |> |> Explorer has not been updated and a previous version of

|> |> |> |> Internet Explorer cannot be restored. You cannot use this

|> |> |> |> method. Close "Winfile", shut down, & post back, or try the

|> |> |> |> URL at the very bottom of this post, which is an

|> |> |> |> over-install of IE.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup

|> |> |> |> window, click OK.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore

|> |> |> |> the previous version of Internet Explorer.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart

|> |> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup

|> |> |> |> Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals.

|> |> |> |> If you complete this

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is

|> |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up

|> |> |> |> normally, repeat this step.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW

|> |> |> |> keys to select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type:

|> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini

|> |> |> |> Press ENTER.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of

|> |> |> |> text under the [boot] section that lists

|> |> |> |> "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is typically the third line in

|> |> |> |> the file.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the

|> |> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The

|> |> |> |> line should list the following:

|> |> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (21) To save the changes...

|> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately.

|> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears.

|> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the

|> |> |> |> command prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the

|> |> |> |> requestor.)

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing

|> |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be

|> |> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When

|> |> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an

|> |> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You

|> |> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform

|> |> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet

|> |> |> |> Explorer again.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191

|> |> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You

|> |> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion

|> |> |> |> to an earlier IE, IF that option is present.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174

|> |> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I

|> |> |> |> have a detailed write-up for it, if you want.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> | --

|> |> |> |> | partymarty4870

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |>

|> |>

|>

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|>

|> ...snip

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net