Guest PCR Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation Gary S. Terhune wrote: | Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform | to 8.3 naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a bit | about the structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you can | usually figure out what a folder's name is to enough of a degree to | know if it's what you're looking for. Exploring the contents of a | folder, of course, would help even more. Maybe. Still, it would be tough to talk one through it. I guess the suggestion could be made that OP try to do it on his own or to go look & report back. I certainly wouldn't know the folder/file names in this particular case. And certainly the use of WinFile's File>Run for the Control Panel should be mentioned. Thanks for reminding me about that-- in case you fall into another earthquake too deep for your poodles to reach or are murdered by MEB! | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://grystmill.com | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command" |> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806 |> | |> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s). |> |> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted |> here before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control |> appwiz.cpl. It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a |> Master Post! |> |> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller |> | in the program's folder. |> |> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style |> names. However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have |> once/twice posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile |> Run box. I guess it could be worth a try even in this particular |> case where OP's machine won't boot directly to Explorer. |> |> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to |> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even |> | install it again to see if it works this time... Except, I'm |> | betting that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus |> | instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and 98SE. But |> | the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE as minimum. |> | Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98 Gold |> | machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The |> | interface was identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the |> | places I saw it discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE |> | situation suggest that it doesn't work very well, if at all. |> |> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did |> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is that |> like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- BUT that |> was in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- once he |> clicked the right program to install! He tried 3 times clicking |> something else first! |> |> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know |> | much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software |> | Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens |> |> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a WinFile |> Run box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS names! |> |> | -- |> | Gary S. Terhune |> | MS-MVP Shell/User |> | http://grystmill.com |> | |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and |> |> | a repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to |> |> | Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing |> |> | when the machine crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are |> |> | still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the reinstall unless |> |> | absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell |> |> | and definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU. |> |> |> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot |> |> to WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get |> |> to the Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs. |> |> |> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he |> |> | shows up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under |> |> | such a deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when |> |> | whatever it is he needed the laptop for is done, he still needs |> |> | to fix that borrowed computer. |> |> |> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character & |> |> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this |> |> NG for less! |> |> |> |> | -- |> |> | Gary S. Terhune |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User |> |> | http://grystmill.com |> |> | |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote: |> |> |> | thanks guys/girls |> |> |> | |> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So |> |> |> | unfortunately any solution has to be in DOS. |> |> |> | |> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins |> |> |> | when this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, |> |> |> | just a modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state on |> |> |> | disc that can run on 98. |> |> |> | |> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or |> |> |> | touched 98, this is so frustrating!! |> |> |> |> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, |> |> |> then do as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed. |> |> |> |> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as |> |> |> well try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site, |> |> |> which is a temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE... |> |> |> |> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile, |> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's |> |> |> LFN (Long File Name) in the destination. |> |> |> |> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down. |> |> |> |> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the |> |> |> computer. Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin |> |> |> pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete |> |> |> this step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up |> |> |> normally, repeat this step. |> |> |> |> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys |> |> |> to select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key. |> |> |> |> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type: |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini |> |> |> Press ENTER. |> |> |> |> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text |> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This |> |> |> is typically the third line in the file. |> |> |> |> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the |> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The |> |> |> line should list the following: |> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe |> |> |> |> |> |> (7) To save the changes... |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately. |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears. |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command |> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.) |> |> |> |> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the |> |> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts |> |> |> into the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe). |> |> |> |> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the |> |> |> left hand window to open the Program Files folder. |> |> |> |> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open |> |> |> the Internet Explorer folder. |> |> |> |> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the |> |> |> Setup folder. |> |> |> |> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in |> |> |> the right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup. |> |> |> |> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer |> |> |> has not been updated and a previous version of Internet |> |> |> Explorer cannot be restored. You cannot use this method. Close |> |> |> "Winfile", shut down, & post back, or try the URL at the very |> |> |> bottom of this post, which is an over-install of IE. |> |> |> |> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup |> |> |> window, click OK. |> |> |> |> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the |> |> |> previous version of Internet Explorer. |> |> |> |> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components. |> |> |> |> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart |> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows. |> |> |> |> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup |> |> |> Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If |> |> |> you complete this |> |> |> |> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up |> |> |> normally, repeat this step. |> |> |> |> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys |> |> |> to select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER. |> |> |> |> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type: |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini |> |> |> Press ENTER. |> |> |> |> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text |> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This |> |> |> is typically the third line in the file. |> |> |> |> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the |> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The |> |> |> line should list the following: |> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe |> |> |> |> |> |> (21) To save the changes... |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately. |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears. |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command |> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.) |> |> |> |> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys |> |> |> |> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be |> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When |> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an |> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You |> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform |> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet |> |> |> Explorer again. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191 |> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You |> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an |> |> |> earlier IE, IF that option is present. |> |> |> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174 |> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I |> |> |> have a detailed write-up for it, if you want. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> | -- |> |> |> | partymarty4870 |> |> |> |> |> |> | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |> |> |> | -- partymarty4870's Profile: |> |> |> | http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=51471 View this |> |> |> | thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=985039 |> |> |> | |> |> |> | http://forums.techarena.in |> |> |> ....snip -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation Simple solution: In Run DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s > c:\progdir.txt I dunno, maybe add another switch or two to the command. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:e3hSFDqzIHA.2408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Gary S. Terhune wrote: > | Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform > | to 8.3 naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a bit > | about the structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you can > | usually figure out what a folder's name is to enough of a degree to > | know if it's what you're looking for. Exploring the contents of a > | folder, of course, would help even more. > > Maybe. Still, it would be tough to talk one through it. I guess the > suggestion could be made that OP try to do it on his own or to go look & > report back. I certainly wouldn't know the folder/file names in this > particular case. And certainly the use of WinFile's File>Run for the > Control Panel should be mentioned. Thanks for reminding me about that-- > in case you fall into another earthquake too deep for your poodles to > reach or are murdered by MEB! > > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://grystmill.com > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: > |> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command" > |> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806 > |> | > |> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s). > |> > |> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted > |> here before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control > |> appwiz.cpl. It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a > |> Master Post! > |> > |> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an uninstaller > |> | in the program's folder. > |> > |> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style > |> names. However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have > |> once/twice posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile > |> Run box. I guess it could be worth a try even in this particular > |> case where OP's machine won't boot directly to Explorer. > |> > |> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to > |> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or even > |> | install it again to see if it works this time... Except, I'm > |> | betting that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the Optus > |> | instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and 98SE. But > |> | the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE as minimum. > |> | Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on a 98 Gold > |> | machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the device. The > |> | interface was identical to that shown on Optus. Anyway, all the > |> | places I saw it discussed in forums that might relate to a Win98FE > |> | situation suggest that it doesn't work very well, if at all. > |> > |> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did > |> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is that > |> like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- BUT that > |> was in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- once he > |> clicked the right program to install! He tried 3 times clicking > |> something else first! > |> > |> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To know > |> | much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual software > |> | Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens > |> > |> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a WinFile > |> Run box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS names! > |> > |> | -- > |> | Gary S. Terhune > |> | MS-MVP Shell/User > |> | http://grystmill.com > |> | > |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > |> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: > |> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, and > |> |> | a repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet going to > |> |> | Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was installing > |> |> | when the machine crashed might help the most. THEN, if there are > |> |> | still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the reinstall unless > |> |> | absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause a bit of DLL Hell > |> |> | and definitely requires that a few patches be reinstalled at WU. > |> |> > |> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can boot > |> |> to WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how to get > |> |> to the Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs. > |> |> > |> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he > |> |> | shows up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under > |> |> | such a deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when > |> |> | whatever it is he needed the laptop for is done, he still needs > |> |> | to fix that borrowed computer. > |> |> > |> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory character & > |> |> gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have disappeared from this > |> |> NG for less! > |> |> > |> |> | -- > |> |> | Gary S. Terhune > |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User > |> |> | http://grystmill.com > |> |> | > |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > |> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > |> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote: > |> |> |> | thanks guys/girls > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So > |> |> |> | unfortunately any solution has to be in DOS. > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins > |> |> |> | when this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, > |> |> |> | just a modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state on > |> |> |> | disc that can run on 98. > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or > |> |> |> | touched 98, this is so frustrating!! > |> |> |> > |> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, > |> |> |> then do as the others said to get your modem un/re-installed. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may as > |> |> |> well try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB site, > |> |> |> which is a temporary reversion to an earlier version of IE... > |> |> |> > |> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile, > |> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that file's > |> |> |> LFN (Long File Name) in the destination. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the > |> |> |> computer. Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or begin > |> |> |> pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you complete > |> |> |> this step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is > |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up > |> |> |> normally, repeat this step. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys > |> |> |> to select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the ENTER key. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type: > |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini > |> |> |> Press ENTER. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text > |> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Explorer.exe". This > |> |> |> is typically the third line in the file. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the > |> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The > |> |> |> line should list the following: > |> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (7) To save the changes... > |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately. > |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears. > |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command > |> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.) > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing the > |> |> |> CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it starts > |> |> |> into the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe). > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in the > |> |> |> left hand window to open the Program Files folder. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open > |> |> |> the Internet Explorer folder. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open the > |> |> |> Setup folder. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in > |> |> |> the right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet Explorer > |> |> |> has not been updated and a previous version of Internet > |> |> |> Explorer cannot be restored. You cannot use this method. Close > |> |> |> "Winfile", shut down, & post back, or try the URL at the very > |> |> |> bottom of this post, which is an over-install of IE. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup > |> |> |> window, click OK. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore the > |> |> |> previous version of Internet Explorer. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart > |> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup > |> |> |> Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If > |> |> |> you complete this > |> |> |> > |> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is > |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up > |> |> |> normally, repeat this step. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW keys > |> |> |> to select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type: > |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini > |> |> |> Press ENTER. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of text > |> |> |> under the [boot] section that lists "Shell=Winfile.exe". This > |> |> |> is typically the third line in the file. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the > |> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The > |> |> |> line should list the following: > |> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (21) To save the changes... > |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately. > |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears. > |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the command > |> |> |> prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the requestor.) > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing > |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys > |> |> |> > |> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be > |> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When > |> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an > |> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You > |> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform > |> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet > |> |> |> Explorer again. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> > |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191 > |> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You > |> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion to an > |> |> |> earlier IE, IF that option is present. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174 > |> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I > |> |> |> have a detailed write-up for it, if you want. > |> |> |> > |> |> |> > |> |> |> | -- > |> |> |> | partymarty4870 > |> |> |> > |> |> > |> > | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > |> |> |> | -- partymarty4870's Profile: > |> |> |> | http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=51471 View this > |> |> |> | thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=985039 > |> |> |> | > |> |> |> | http://forums.techarena.in > |> |> |> > > ...snip > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest PCR Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: win 98 stalling at startup due to explorer illegal operation Gary S. Terhune wrote: | Simple solution: In Run | DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s > c:\progdir.txt | | I dunno, maybe add another switch or two to the command. He'd have to go to A:\-- in order to get it to the machine that still works to post it. Also, using /a will list hidden & system files too, if any... DIR C:\PROGRA~1 /s /a > A:\ProgDir.txt OK, thanks. But let's hope it doesn't come to this! | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://grystmill.com | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:e3hSFDqzIHA.2408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> | Most of the things you'd be looking for have filenames that conform |> | to 8.3 naming standards. And if you stare long enough (or know a |> | bit about the structure of a typical Windows 98 installation), you |> | can usually figure out what a folder's name is to enough of a |> | degree to know if it's what you're looking for. Exploring the |> | contents of a folder, of course, would help even more. |> |> Maybe. Still, it would be tough to talk one through it. I guess the |> suggestion could be made that OP try to do it on his own or to go |> look & report back. I certainly wouldn't know the folder/file names |> in this particular case. And certainly the use of WinFile's File>Run |> for the Control Panel should be mentioned. Thanks for reminding me |> about that-- in case you fall into another earthquake too deep for |> your poodles to reach or are murdered by MEB! |> |> | -- |> | Gary S. Terhune |> | MS-MVP Shell/User |> | http://grystmill.com |> | |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> | news:ej4wCqpzIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> |> | "How to run Control Panel tools by typing a command" |> |> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192806 |> |> | |> |> | In Winfile.exe, use File>Run to run the command(s). |> |> |> |> Eeee-- that is right! I should have remembered-- it's been posted |> |> here before! And I just tried it in WinFile's File>Run... control |> |> appwiz.cpl. It did open the Control Panel. I'll work that into a |> |> Master Post! |> |> |> |> | Otherwise, the next step would be to see if there is an |> |> | uninstaller in the program's folder. |> |> |> |> That might be difficult using WinFile, as it only shows DOS-style |> |> names. However -- wait a minute -- as I recall now glee may have |> |> once/twice posted -- it is possible to run Explorer from a WinFile |> |> Run box. I guess it could be worth a try even in this particular |> |> case where OP's machine won't boot directly to Explorer. |> |> |> |> | If I got desperate, I'd even go so far as to |> |> | run the installer again to see if it offers to uninstall, or |> |> | even install it again to see if it works this time... Except, |> |> | I'm betting that the software ISN'T OK for Win98 Gold. Yes, the |> |> | Optus instructions say 98, making no distinction between 98 and |> |> | 98SE. But the drivers direct from the manufacturer say Win98SE |> |> | as minimum. Well, I took that 98SE version and installed it on |> |> | a 98 Gold machine, but it stalled when it couldn't find the |> |> | device. The interface was identical to that shown on Optus. |> |> | Anyway, all the places I saw it discussed in forums that might |> |> | relate to a Win98FE situation suggest that it doesn't work very |> |> | well, if at all. |> |> |> |> Well, I don't know. You certainly have gone the extra mile. I did |> |> actually help a friend install a Verison DSL Wireless Modem (is |> |> that like what PartyMarty has?) once but on an WinSE machine-- |> |> BUT that was in good boot to Windows. It went really smoothly-- |> |> once he clicked the right program to install! He tried 3 times |> |> clicking something else first! |> |> |> |> | If a manual cleanup is required, it will be a tedious one. To |> |> | know much more, we'd have to study the contents of the actual |> |> | software Marty used. Might be the same as the one from Siemens |> |> |> |> It will be all the more tedious if Explorer won't run from a |> |> WinFile Run box-- very hard to find things looking at those DOS |> |> names! |> |> |> |> | -- |> |> | Gary S. Terhune |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User |> |> | http://grystmill.com |> |> | |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> |> | news:eB%23JWcczIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... |> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote: |> |> |> | Your idea makes sense to get into Windows to see what's up, |> |> |> | and a repair or reinstall of IE might help, but I'd bet |> |> |> | going to Add/Remove Programs and uninstalling the app he was |> |> |> | installing when the machine crashed might help the most. |> |> |> | THEN, if there are still problems, do IE Repair (avoid the |> |> |> | reinstall unless absolutely necessary. Can potentially cause |> |> |> | a bit of DLL Hell and definitely requires that a few patches |> |> |> | be reinstalled at WU. |> |> |> |> |> |> Alright. Do you know offhand how to do that supposing he can |> |> |> boot to WinFile? I've looked through its Help & cannot see how |> |> |> to get to the Control Panel for Add/Remove Programs. |> |> |> |> |> |> | But, alas, the party is pretty much over for marty unless he |> |> |> | shows up soon and stays. For someone who was supposedly under |> |> |> | such a deadline, he didn't act like it here. Heck, even when |> |> |> | whatever it is he needed the laptop for is done, he still |> |> |> | needs to fix that borrowed computer. |> |> |> |> |> |> He might have borrowed that computer from an unsavory |> |> |> character & gotten murdered maybe. Lots of people have |> |> |> disappeared from this NG for less! |> |> |> |> |> |> | -- |> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune |> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User |> |> |> | http://grystmill.com |> |> |> | |> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message |> |> |> | news:uyDrKuTzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |> |> |> |> partymarty4870 wrote: |> |> |> |> | thanks guys/girls |> |> |> |> | |> |> |> |> | I cannot get into windows, even in safe mode. So |> |> |> |> | unfortunately any solution has to be in DOS. |> |> |> |> | |> |> |> |> | I think it is FE Windows 98. I had been on it for 20 mins |> |> |> |> | when this drama started. The Modem is a Speedstream 4200, |> |> |> |> | just a modem. I was installing Modem Drivers, which state |> |> |> |> | on disc that can run on 98. |> |> |> |> | |> |> |> |> | I haven't had to do anything in Dos for about 6 years,or |> |> |> |> | touched 98, this is so frustrating!! |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> The following might get you booting back to Windows. If so, |> |> |> |> then do as the others said to get your modem |> |> |> |> un/re-installed. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> Explorer & IE are basically one & the same. Therefore, may |> |> |> |> as well try this write-up, originally from a Gateway WEB |> |> |> |> site, which is a temporary reversion to an earlier version |> |> |> |> of IE... |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> ONE THING: Do nothing more than stated here using Winfile, |> |> |> |> because, if you move a file with it, you will lose that |> |> |> |> file's LFN (Long File Name) in the destination. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (1) Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE, & click Shut Down. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (2) After the computer has been shut down, turn on the |> |> |> |> computer. Hold CTRL as you boot for the Startup Menu, or |> |> |> |> begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. If you |> |> |> |> complete this step successfully, the Microsoft Windows |> |> |> |> Startup Menu is displayed. If no menu is displayed and |> |> |> |> Windows starts up normally, repeat this step. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (3) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW |> |> |> |> keys to select "Command Prompt Only", and then press the |> |> |> |> ENTER key. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (4) At the command prompt, type: |> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini |> |> |> |> Press ENTER. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (5) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of |> |> |> |> text under the [boot] section that lists |> |> |> |> "Shell=Explorer.exe". This is typically the third line in |> |> |> |> the file. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (6) Edit the "Shell=Explorer.exe" line by deleting the |> |> |> |> "Explorer.exe" text and replacing it with "Winfile.exe". The |> |> |> |> line should list the following: |> |> |> |> Shell=Winfile.exe |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (7) To save the changes... |> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately. |> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears. |> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the |> |> |> |> command prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the |> |> |> |> requestor.) |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (8) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing |> |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys. Once Windows has restarted, it |> |> |> |> starts into the Windows File Manager (Winfile.exe). |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (9) In the File Manager window, double-click "progra~1" in |> |> |> |> the left hand window to open the Program Files folder. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (10) Double-click "intern~1" in the left hand window to open |> |> |> |> the Internet Explorer folder. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (11) Double-click "setup" in the left hand window to open |> |> |> |> the Setup folder. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (12) In the File Manager window, double-click "Setup.exe" in |> |> |> |> the right hand window to launch Internet Explorer setup. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> NOTE: If the setup folder is not available, Internet |> |> |> |> Explorer has not been updated and a previous version of |> |> |> |> Internet Explorer cannot be restored. You cannot use this |> |> |> |> method. Close "Winfile", shut down, & post back, or try the |> |> |> |> URL at the very bottom of this post, which is an |> |> |> |> over-install of IE. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (13) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools Setup |> |> |> |> window, click OK. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (14) In the Setup Message dialog box, click Yes to restore |> |> |> |> the previous version of Internet Explorer. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (15) Internet Explorer setup removes components. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (16) In the Internet Explorer 6 and Internet Tools - Restart |> |> |> |> Windows dialog box, click Restart Windows. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> When the computer is restarting, hold CTRL for the Startup |> |> |> |> Menu, or begin pressing the F8 key in one-second intervals. |> |> |> |> If you complete this |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> step successfully, the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu is |> |> |> |> displayed. If no menu is displayed and Windows starts up |> |> |> |> normally, repeat this step. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (17) At the Microsoft Windows Startup Menu, use the ARROW |> |> |> |> keys to select Command prompt only, and then press ENTER. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (18) At the command prompt, type: |> |> |> |> EDIT C:\Windows\System.ini |> |> |> |> Press ENTER. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (19) In the C:\Windows\SYSTEM.INI file, locate the line of |> |> |> |> text under the [boot] section that lists |> |> |> |> "Shell=Winfile.exe". This is typically the third line in |> |> |> |> the file. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (20) Edit the "Shell=Winfile.exe" line by deleting the |> |> |> |> "Winfile.exe" text and replacing it with "Explorer.exe". The |> |> |> |> line should list the following: |> |> |> |> Shell=Explorer.exe |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (21) To save the changes... |> |> |> |> (a) Press the ALT+F+X keys separately. |> |> |> |> A "Save File" requestor appears. |> |> |> |> (b) Press ENTER to save the changes and return to the |> |> |> |> command prompt. (TAB navigates the buttons of the |> |> |> |> requestor.) |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (22) At the command prompt, restart the computer by pressing |> |> |> |> the CTRL+ALT+DELETE keys |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> (23) Windows starts to a blue screen, but will still be |> |> |> |> accessing the hard drive for a period of time. When |> |> |> |> finished, Windows is on the desktop with icons, but an |> |> |> |> older version of Internet Explorer is installed. You |> |> |> |> should update your antivirus software, and then perform |> |> |> |> Windows Update to install a new version of Internet |> |> |> |> Explorer again. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=249191 |> |> |> |> Blank Desktop or Illegal Operations Error Message After You |> |> |> |> Install Internet Explorer. This is a temporary reversion |> |> |> |> to an earlier IE, IF that option is present. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=293174 |> |> |> |> Over-Install IE in Progman. This is an over-install of IE. I |> |> |> |> have a detailed write-up for it, if you want. |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> | -- |> |> |> |> | partymarty4870 |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |> |> |> |> | -- partymarty4870's Profile: |> |> |> |> | http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?userid=51471 View |> |> |> |> | this thread: |> |> |> |> | http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=985039 |> |> |> |> | |> |> |> |> | http://forums.techarena.in |> |> |> |> |> |> ...snip |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
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