Guest DS Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:25:36 +0000, the wharf rat wrote: > In article <Ot5dobdzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, Hayden Kirk > <hayden@mobilepc.co.nz> wrote: >> >>My customers want a good 64bit system. > > Why? Possibly because that is what he recommends to them. For instance, SolidWorks resellers recommend a 64 bit system to their users strictly based on being able to use more than 3+ gigs of RAM for the application.
Guest dave Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP David wrote: > > Having a " Vista Only " PC world is delegating many PC's of the world > into fancy screen-saver endowed paperweights. > > A Vista Only PC world will cripple normal commerce and industry. > > And I say, > > why put up with this Microsoft "Vista only " crap! > > Just Worry, Cajole and Bullyrage Microsoft > > into making Good old reliable Windows XP available for The > Foreseeable Future.. > > Thank You .. > There is a superior operating system, (for everyone but gamers and video editors). It is free for the taking. You can burn a DVD and use it to test your hardware actually running the OS, directly off the DVD. If you like it, install it. http://www.ubuntu.com It includes this: http://www.openoffice.org/ for Office, and this: and this: http://www.gimp.org/ for Photoshop. Screw Microsoft.
Guest DS Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:52:32 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote: > XP Death Watch > > > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-five- weeks_1.html > > Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains the > most-used version of Windows. The newest data from Web metrics vendor > Net Applications, for example, pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the > personal computers that went online last month, > > five times the nearest competitor, Microsoft's own Windows Vista. > > Which is why an impending deadline five weeks from today is important. > > According to Microsoft, June 30 is the last day it will permit retailers > and OEMs to sell > the nearly seven-year-old operating system. > > [ Make your voice heard. Sign InfoWorld's 'Save Windows XP' petition > today. ] > > > http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ > > > You'll have questions as that date approaches, > > including whether the deadline will drive up prices (gouging, anyone?); > > we plan to have the answers, starting with this FAQ and continuing > through the end of next month. > > How long until Microsoft shuts off the XP spigot? Five weeks from today > is the last day Microsoft > > will officially allow retailers to sell the old operating system, and > let major computer makers > -- > called "OEMs," for "original equipment manufacturers" -- to sell PCs > with XP pre-installed. > > > Monday, June 30, is the EOL, or End-Of-Life, a term Dell, not Microsoft, > has publicly used, > for XP's retail and OEM availability. > > So what's the June 18 date I've heard about? That's the day that Dell > has said is the last > > possible day for its customers to buy a machine running Windows XP. > "To meet Microsoft's > > June 30 last-day-to-ship OEM Windows XP deadline, > > June 18 is the last time to purchase a Dell laptop, desktop, or > workstation > > with an OEM Windows XP license" > > , Dell says on its Web site. > > http://www.dell.com Did you read the fine print ? 'After June 18th you have the option to purchase Windows Vista Business or Windows Vista Ultimate with a downgrade service to Windows XP Professional.' ......meaning, if you opt for Business or Ultimate, Dell will, at the factory, and with your consent, exercise your downgrade rights for you and your PC will come with XP installed and Vista on a disc.
Guest Alias Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP dave wrote: > David wrote: > >> >> Having a " Vista Only " PC world is delegating many PC's of the world >> into fancy screen-saver endowed paperweights. >> >> A Vista Only PC world will cripple normal commerce and industry. >> >> And I say, >> >> why put up with this Microsoft "Vista only " crap! >> >> Just Worry, Cajole and Bullyrage Microsoft >> >> into making Good old reliable Windows XP available for The >> Foreseeable Future.. >> >> Thank You .. >> > There is a superior operating system, (for everyone but gamers and video > editors). It is free for the taking. You can burn a DVD and use it to > test your hardware actually running the OS, directly off the DVD. If > you like it, install it. > > http://www.ubuntu.com > > It includes this: > > http://www.openoffice.org/ > > for Office, and this: > > and this: > > http://www.gimp.org/ > > for Photoshop. > > Screw Microsoft. > Not only can you use Open Office and Gimp, you can also do this with Ubuntu: Email Surf the web Burn CDs. Rip CDs. Listen to music. Watch vidoes/DVDs. Scan and print. Spreadsheets. Presentations Newsgroups. HTML editing. Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc. Make videos. Download photos from a camera and organize them. Translations. Use a dictionary Learn how to touch type. Edit images. Send and receive a fax. Take screenshots. Create .PDF files. Create and use a data base. Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including Windows Live Messenger. IRC. Bluetooth. and much more! What you can't do with Ubuntu: Worry about: WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads, DRM, Viruses, Root kits, Spyware, and Malware. Alias
Guest Moshe Goldfarb. Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:51:21 -0400, Ezekiel wrote: > "Roy Schestowitz" <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote in message > news:1497069.Lp6T5hALED@schestowitz.com... >> >> They enable upgrades to XP now, provided that you 'upgrade' your Vista >> (edition-wise). Another fine example of double-dipping to game sales >> statistics and milk innocent users, who can -- and probably will -- pay >> extra >> for XP. > > > More proof that Roy Schestowitz is either a clueless idiot or a immoral > liar. You have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about. You my lying > little unemployed loser, are a total idiot. > > > -- "They enable upgrades to XP now, provided that you 'upgrade' your Vista > (edition-wise)." > > So your claim is that if I have a computer and want to run XP then > Microsoft will (somehow through magic) force me to buy Vista first, and > only then I can buy and install XP? Are you really this stupid? > > Perhaps a more accurate and far more honest explanation is that Microsoft > usually does "site licenses" with it's large customers. And customers who > upgraded their site license to Windows Vista are not prohibited from > installing/running XP on machines even though the current license is for > Vista. Schestowitz has progressed from loon to liar in recent months. I really think he is about to fall off the edge. It's all about spreading FUD and seeding Google with anti-Microsoft statements. The ironic part is, the more he plays this game the worse he looks because his lunacy is spread to all corners of the net so it's easy to see that the guy is on some kind of a twisted mission. I hope he is being compensated well for this work. -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Guest Hadron Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> writes: > The ironic part is, the more he plays this game the worse he looks because > his lunacy is spread to all corners of the net so it's easy to see that the > guy is on some kind of a twisted mission. > > I hope he is being compensated well for this work. I was contacted by a reliable source from DIGG recently who revealed a few very interesting little tidbits of information regarding Roy's renumeration. All will be revealed very soon. One interesting thing is that there is also a conflict of interest with Roy's academic institution which could involve loss of privilige and/or expulsion from his courses. As I said - it's all *very* interesting. -- "Every piece of evidence I've heard from developers inside Microsoft supports my theory that the company has become completely tangled up in " -- William Poaster <wp@leafnode.amd64.eu> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Guest Clear Windows Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch He (Hayden Kirk) is stupid.... I could recommend a hummer jeep for everyone, but the extra cost makes no sense for people in the city... Sure it could travel any terrain but at what cost? Having a super duper 64 bit 4 core 8 gb system just so vista can work is crazy.. Most of that power goes to the OS itself anyway.. Vista is poorly designed and that’s why its hated worldwide by billions. the world it turning to more efficient, greener, less power hungry, faster, better designed OS's and computers Vista is the last of its kind... a freak of nature... a dinosaur that will be exhibited in a museum as the biggest mistake MS ever made. "DS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.com> wrote in message news:4853ccec$0$30195$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:25:36 +0000, the wharf rat wrote: > >> In article <Ot5dobdzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, Hayden Kirk >> <hayden@mobilepc.co.nz> wrote: >>> >>>My customers want a good 64bit system. >> >> Why? > > Possibly because that is what he recommends to them. > > For instance, SolidWorks resellers recommend a 64 bit system to their > users strictly based on being able to use more than 3+ gigs of RAM for > the application. >
Guest DS Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP >> into making Good old reliable Windows XP available for The >> Foreseeable Future.. >> >> Thank You .. >> > There is a superior operating system, (for everyone but gamers and video > editors) Why not video editors ? http://www.linux.com/feature/60624
Guest Moshe Goldfarb. Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:30:19 +0200, Hadron wrote: > "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> writes: > >> The ironic part is, the more he plays this game the worse he looks because >> his lunacy is spread to all corners of the net so it's easy to see that the >> guy is on some kind of a twisted mission. >> >> I hope he is being compensated well for this work. > > I was contacted by a reliable source from DIGG recently who revealed a > few very interesting little tidbits of information regarding Roy's > renumeration. All will be revealed very soon. One interesting thing is > that there is also a conflict of interest with Roy's academic > institution which could involve loss of privilige and/or expulsion from > his courses. As I said - it's all *very* interesting. There is no question that Roy Schestowitz is up to something other than advocating Linux. His entire operation just does not add up at all. Keep us posted!! -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Guest dennis@home Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message news:g30k6v$htc$1@aioe.org... > What you can't do with Ubuntu: > > Worry about: > WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads, > DRM, Its quite amusing alias posting about DRM being a problem.. he is currently posting in the Ubuntu groups for a solution to preventing people from editing forms he wants them to be able to fill in online.. the solution of course is DRM, however he will just continue with his worthless comments and wont admit that he can't solve his problem without some sort of DRM. He wont solve it at all on Ubuntu so he will just have to accept that if someone can display it on Ubuntu they can /edit/ it and print it. > Viruses, > Root kits, > Spyware, > and > Malware. > > Alias
Guest HeyBub Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP Canuck57 wrote: > "David" <mcdonald606a@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:ccf7cc1b-e80d-4ce8-8003-3f27e0b68c79@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > >> just to get the same performance you currently get with Windows XP. > > You are doing good. I never got that far. > >> Having a " Vista Only " PC world is delegating many PC's of the world >> into fancy screen-saver endowed paperweights. > > Not really, Ubuntu works on it just great. So does a blow-up doll, for those who prefer the sweet caress of vinyl to that of the real thing.
Guest dave Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP DS wrote: >>> into making Good old reliable Windows XP available for The >>> Foreseeable Future.. >>> >>> Thank You .. >>> >> There is a superior operating system, (for everyone but gamers and video >> editors) > > Why not video editors ? > > http://www.linux.com/feature/60624 http://www.linux.com/articles/60624#commentthis
Guest Rex Ballard Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP On Jun 13, 10:02 pm, Milt <netr...@nospammiltsweb.com> wrote: > cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote: > > So help save Windows XP > > Save it? Its not going anywhere, you will still be able to use it for > years to come. Heck, you could still use Windows 3.1 if you wanted to, > no one is stopping you. Same with Windows 2000, NT, 98, ME, 95.... Actually, Windows 98, 2000, ME, and XP OEM licenses are tied to the specific machine being purchased. In other words, when you decide to throw out that old 600 Mhz Pentium that had Windows 2000 on it, you can't use that license on your new Core2 Duo machine. Not only that, but even if you could find drivers for the new hardware, you might void the warranty on your PC, including the extended coverage. Many Linux users purchase an extra hard drive for their laptops because they need the original Windows disk drive for warranty service. Ironically, even if you had the installation media, you couldn't install Windows 2000 to a VM (which is usually compatible with Windows 2000 as well as XP) on a machine that was originally Licensed with Vista Home Premium. It's all clearly spelled out in the licenses, it's even in plain English, which is why it is so easy to misinterpret the license the way you think it should be, even though you should always view the license from Microsoft's point of view (maximum possible revenue). Furthermore, "downgrades" are also restricted. For example, if you purchase a Vista machine with Vista Home Premium, you have to "upgrade" to Vista Business Edition to legally install Windows XP Professional on that machine. It's possible that Microsoft may be looking to sell "downgrades" to XP or Windows 2000 at $200-$400 per machine as a way to make up for the loss in revenue from OEMs and corporate customers. The problem for Microsoft is that they have very little bargaining leverage. With Vista driving the price of desktop computers below the $300 range, often even below $200 at "clearance prices", and laptops falling to below $400, it's very clear to the OEMs that Vista is NOT adding sufficient value to the bottom line of the machine. With Mac still getting premium prices for all the machines they can build, their market share by revenue is growing substantially. Companies like HP, Toshiba, and Acer are likely NOT to follow Dell's lead, and are very likely to start demanding that Microsoft allow them to sell a "hybrid" machine that runs Linux as the primary operating system with either Vista Basic or XP Professional as the secondary operating system as a VM appliance. There is even the possibility that HP and Acer will want to offer the VM appliance to be sold separately for customers who purchase the LInux versions. If the vendors are able to charge extra for the Vista appliance, (even though they will purchase in bulk), it gives them the ability to get a more accurate picture of how many people are using Linux, with Vista or XP as a secondary "appliance", and how many people are really willing to put up with Vista's nonsense for a "Vista Only" machine (for which the OEMs will charge extra). Many corporations are also moving to "Employee Subsidized" workstations and laptops. The employee gets the laptop, but if he wants Vista, Office, or other premium Microsoft software, he has to pay for it out of his own pocket. If he is willing to go with Linux, OpenOffice, and the standard Linux/Java applications, then the company provides the machine at their cost. Some companies are even considering sanctions against Windows users, such as docking them for time spent recovering Windows or Vista systems. Many corporations are now refusing to allow consultants to bill for time lost due to a faulty laptop. More and more, when Windows crashes, refuses to boot, or you loose a week's worth of work because Windows trashed it, it's coming out of the employees own pocket. Ultimately, it boils down to an overall unwillingness to put up with all of the problems and secondary costs of upgrading to Vista. Corporate investors are tired of watching huge chunks of their profit get sucked away to Microsoft. Employees are tired of watching their bonuses drop to zero because Microsoft wants to suck a huge "upgrade fee" for the upgrades to Vista. Many corporations have already cut back, or even terminated, their "support contracts" with Microsoft, since most of Microsoft's "support" ultimately boils down the the company's on support people saying "restart the app, reboot the box, reinstall the app, reinstall Windows, reformat the hard drive and start over" when a user's hard drive becomes unrecoverable due to a virus, misguided upgrade, or some third party software that Microsoft doesn't like. This may be the final show-down for Microsoft. If even one of the OEMs starts offering Linux as the standard offering and charges extra for Vista "appliances" and even more for Vista "native mode" installations, there is a good chance that the others will begin to follow suit. Remember, Gateway, the company who was fiercely loyal to Microsoft went virtually bankrupt last year, reporting huge losses, driving the stock price down to the point where they were about to be de-listed before ACER bought the whole operation at bargain basement prices. Compaq and it's management, even after the HP merger, tried to be loyal to Microsoft, only to again find that they were becoming such a loss center that the corporate executives have decided that the merger was a bad idea. IBM was losing so much money on Thinkpads and desktops that they sold their entire PC division to Lennovo, who had been making most of their hardware anyway. They still have the Netfinity workstations, which are now all touting the option of XP or Linux, and if Microsoft pulls XP off the table, they may be going with Linux as the only option. Even Dell has been scrambling to try and keep from bleeding "red ink". They have cut back on costs, entered the retail markets, and tried to find new markets for Dells, most of which have been ordered with XP Professional instead of Vista. Microsoft is trying to "bait and switch" promising a new version of Vista/Windows whatever that will be better than XP, but only if they agree to suffer with Vista for a few more years. Perhaps 10 years from now, they will come up with something almost as good as a Mac is today. HP has cultivated a very strong relationship with SUSE. Dell has been working closely with the Ubuntu organization, IBM and Lennovo have been working closely with Red Hat and SUSE. Acer has been an aggressive supporter of Linux almost since the release of Windows XP, and they have made a huge and successful niche market selling "Linux Ready" machines with XP licenses that permit configurations such as "dual boot" and "virtualized desktops" or "virtualized laptops". The biggest problems with Vista are the very things that Microsoft touts as advantages. Vista has lots of fancy 3D graphics capabilities (even though most PCs don't support them), and this takes up lots of memory for unusableb code. Vista has lots of new security features, most of which interfere with virtualization. The end result is that Windows 2000 has a footprint of 64 to 256 Megabytes, XP has a footprint of 256 to 1024 megabytes, and Vista needs 2048 to 4096 megabytes to be "functional". I recently saw a gartner poll that showed that 80% of all corporations were looking at alternatives to Windows. Of those, almost 60% were looking at Linux, 20% were looking at Macs, and 20% were floating down the river of denial hoping to stay with Windows XP or Windows 2000. Many banks and other corporations are still using Windows 2000, and are likely to pull the plug on Windows altogether if Microsoft tries to pull the plug on 2K or XP. The problem for Microsoft is that the new mini-laptops have put Linux on the retailer shelves, at Starbucks, and at airports. When I pull out my ASUS EEE at the airport, or at a restaurant, people from all over want to see it. I'm usually editing or reviewing MS-Office documents using OpenOffice, but I'll take a few minutes to show them the browser, email, media player, picture viewer, and other application software, and won't even hesitate to mention that I got it for under $300, less that a smartphone. I'll even show them skype and tell them that is my cell phone. When they observe "that's not Windows is it?", I'll happily point out that no, it is Linux, which does a lot more with a lot less, which means I don't get those long "pauses" where the computer won't do anything. I also point out that it takes 30 seconds to come up with a fully functional system, not just a desktop "splash screen" that won't actually do anything useful for another 20 minutes. .. Meanwhile, Windows is becoming more "Linux Like". Now, when I launch Microsoft Office from Windows, I can go back and work on something else while I'm waiting for it to load. Ironically, Linux has had that feature since 1993, and Sun Unix had that feature back before Windows 3.0 was released. The irony is that Linux applications start so quickly now that I barely get a chance to do anything else before the new application is fully functional and ready to be used.. And the Open Source applications like FireFox and OpenOffice also have a feature that has been standard on Linux/Unix for almost 20 years, called "session recovery". When you shut down the applications (such as shutting down the Linux system), the Linux system can "save desktop" and when you reboot, all of the applications are restarted. If the applications have "Restart Session" capabilities, Linux will recover the application windows to almost exactly the same state as when the machine was shut down. Windows users get the secondary benefit in that they can manually kill applications using task manager or reboot, and then, when the applications are restarted, the user has the option of recovering the session. Still, Microsoft Windows/Vista has a terrible problem with memory churn and garbage collection. They also have very heavy context switching overhead, which means that if you have lots of open and active windows, even windows that are not being displayed, you can churn lots of memory and CPU cycles doing almost nothing. Linux is much more efficient, with memory, with CPU cycles, and with storage, reducing the amount of time spent picking a file out of fragmented drives, thrashing into an application to display a flash program that isn't visible, or trying to check for events that haven't happened. Linux runs what it needs to, when it needs to, using technology developed by IBM for it's mainframes back in the 1970s, which means fewer wasted CPU cycles, fewer wasted disk rotations, and fewer wasted network cycles.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch Too late: Windows XP: The future: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ cheley_bonstell88@live.com wrote: > XP Death Watch > > > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-five-weeks_1.html > > Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains > the most-used version of Windows. The newest data from Web metrics > vendor Net Applications, for example, > pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went > online last month, > > five times the nearest competitor, Microsoft's own Windows Vista. > > Which is why an impending deadline five weeks from today is important. > > According to Microsoft, June 30 is the last day it will permit > retailers and OEMs to sell > the nearly seven-year-old operating system. > > [ Make your voice heard. Sign InfoWorld's 'Save Windows XP' petition > today. ] > > > http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ > > > You'll have questions as that date approaches, > > including whether the deadline will drive up prices (gouging, > anyone?); > > we plan to have the answers, starting with this FAQ and continuing > through the end of next month. > > How long until Microsoft shuts off the XP spigot? Five weeks from > today is the last day Microsoft > > will officially allow retailers to sell the old operating system, and > let major computer makers
Guest DS Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:34:54 -0700, dave wrote: > DS wrote: >>>> into making Good old reliable Windows XP available for The >>>> Foreseeable Future.. >>>> >>>> Thank You .. >>>> >>> There is a superior operating system, (for everyone but gamers and >>> video editors) >> >> Why not video editors ? >> >> http://www.linux.com/feature/60624 > > http://www.linux.com/articles/60624#commentthis And that means ?
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP Too late: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx
Guest Alias Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP dennis@home wrote: > > > "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:g30k6v$htc$1@aioe.org... > > >> What you can't do with Ubuntu: >> >> Worry about: >> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads, >> DRM, > > Its quite amusing alias posting about DRM being a problem.. > > he is currently posting in the Ubuntu groups for a solution to > preventing people from editing forms he wants them to be able to fill in > online.. > the solution of course is DRM, No, it isn't and I don't want them to necessarily fill them out on line. > however he will just continue with his worthless comments and wont admit > that he can't solve his problem without some sort of DRM. You're wrong again. Forms don't exactly fit under intellectual property, doofus. > He wont solve it at all on Ubuntu so he will just have to accept that if > someone can display it on Ubuntu they can /edit/ it and print it. I want them to print it and edit part of it. You are assuming that my clients are computer savvy. They aren't. Of course, you only choose to comment on the one thing where you think you have a "gotcha" and ignore the rest of the post just like Frank, Spanky and Bill would but what else is new from the Windows fanboys camp? Alias > > >> Viruses, >> Root kits, >> Spyware, >> and >> Malware. >> >> Alias >
Guest Alias Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP Rex Ballard wrote: > On Jun 13, 10:02 pm, Milt <netr...@nospammiltsweb.com> wrote: >> cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote: >>> So help save Windows XP >> Save it? Its not going anywhere, you will still be able to use it for >> years to come. Heck, you could still use Windows 3.1 if you wanted to, >> no one is stopping you. Same with Windows 2000, NT, 98, ME, 95.... > > Actually, Windows 98, 2000, ME, and XP OEM licenses are tied to the > specific machine being purchased. In other words, when you decide to > throw out that old 600 Mhz Pentium that had Windows 2000 on it, you > can't use that license on your new Core2 Duo machine. You're confusing the verbs "can" and "may". Alias
Guest Alias Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP HeyBub wrote: > Canuck57 wrote: >> "David" <mcdonald606a@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:ccf7cc1b-e80d-4ce8-8003-3f27e0b68c79@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >> >>> just to get the same performance you currently get with Windows XP. >> You are doing good. I never got that far. >> >>> Having a " Vista Only " PC world is delegating many PC's of the world >>> into fancy screen-saver endowed paperweights. >> Not really, Ubuntu works on it just great. > > So does a blow-up doll, for those who prefer the sweet caress of vinyl to > that of the real thing. > > > What is it about these MS fanboys and their weird sexual fantasies? I get the feeling that none of them ever get laid. Alias
Guest Hadron Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> writes: > Too late: > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx ,---- | We also want to underscore that we're not, as some people have asserted, | "pulling the plug" on our popular operating system. Let us be clear: | Although Windows XP won't be sold in stores, Microsoft and its partners | will continue to offer technical support for Windows XP for months and | years to come. In fact, Microsoft plans to support Windows XP until | 2014. `---- -- "Yes, I am a nymshifting troll. I used to be called Rafael, but since the operation I prefer to be called Robin T Cox." High Plains Shifter, COLA.
Guest the wharf rat Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP In article <d78a0e09-80c7-4fa7-8b7e-537e7d9e00df@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote: > >Actually, Windows 98, 2000, ME, and XP OEM licenses are tied to the >specific machine being purchased. They're tied to the hardware. If you upgrade the machine the license remains valid. Upgrade is undefined.
Guest dennis@home Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message news:g30tto$p46$1@aioe.org... > dennis@home wrote: >> >> >> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:g30k6v$htc$1@aioe.org... >> >> >>> What you can't do with Ubuntu: >>> >>> Worry about: >>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads, >>> DRM, >> >> Its quite amusing alias posting about DRM being a problem.. >> >> he is currently posting in the Ubuntu groups for a solution to preventing >> people from editing forms he wants them to be able to fill in online.. >> the solution of course is DRM, > > No, it isn't and I don't want them to necessarily fill them out on line. > >> however he will just continue with his worthless comments and wont admit >> that he can't solve his problem without some sort of DRM. > > You're wrong again. Forms don't exactly fit under intellectual property, > doofus. > >> He wont solve it at all on Ubuntu so he will just have to accept that if >> someone can display it on Ubuntu they can /edit/ it and print it. > > I want them to print it and edit part of it. You are assuming that my > clients are computer savvy. They aren't. > > Of course, you only choose to comment on the one thing where you think you > have a "gotcha" and ignore the rest of the post just like Frank, Spanky > and Bill would but what else is new from the Windows fanboys camp? I commented on the bit that makes *you* look stupid. Let me know if you solve your problem so I can break it for you.
Guest Alias Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP dennis@home wrote: > > > "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message > news:g30tto$p46$1@aioe.org... >> dennis@home wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:g30k6v$htc$1@aioe.org... >>> >>> >>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu: >>>> >>>> Worry about: >>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads, >>>> DRM, >>> >>> Its quite amusing alias posting about DRM being a problem.. >>> >>> he is currently posting in the Ubuntu groups for a solution to >>> preventing people from editing forms he wants them to be able to fill >>> in online.. >>> the solution of course is DRM, >> >> No, it isn't and I don't want them to necessarily fill them out on line. >> >>> however he will just continue with his worthless comments and wont >>> admit that he can't solve his problem without some sort of DRM. >> >> You're wrong again. Forms don't exactly fit under intellectual >> property, doofus. >> >>> He wont solve it at all on Ubuntu so he will just have to accept that >>> if someone can display it on Ubuntu they can /edit/ it and print it. >> >> I want them to print it and edit part of it. You are assuming that my >> clients are computer savvy. They aren't. >> >> Of course, you only choose to comment on the one thing where you think >> you have a "gotcha" and ignore the rest of the post just like Frank, >> Spanky and Bill would but what else is new from the Windows fanboys camp? > > I commented on the bit that makes *you* look stupid. Yeah, what you lamely thought was a "gotcha". You failed which, of course, makes *you* look stupid. > > Let me know if you solve your problem so I can break it for you. The problem's solved. Now, care to comment about the rest of the post? I didn't think so. Alias
Guest Robin T Cox Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: > Too late: > > Windows XP: The future: > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx Coming Soon: Windows Vista - The Future ... (Or Windows 7: Did You Know?) -- Facts are sacred ... but comment is free
Guest dave Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP DS wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:34:54 -0700, dave wrote: > >> DS wrote: >>>>> into making Good old reliable Windows XP available for The >>>>> Foreseeable Future.. >>>>> >>>>> Thank You .. >>>>> >>>> There is a superior operating system, (for everyone but gamers and >>>> video editors) >>> Why not video editors ? >>> >>> http://www.linux.com/feature/60624 >> http://www.linux.com/articles/60624#commentthis > > And that means ? That means for video editors Ubuntu is not a superior operating system (yet).
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