Guest Synapse Syndrome Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message news:0E4BE513-DACC-4F9E-A627-5A89EC6E12A6@microsoft.com... > > Its quite amusing alias posting about DRM being a problem.. > > he is currently posting in the Ubuntu groups for a solution to preventing > people from editing forms he wants them to be able to fill in online.. > the solution of course is DRM, LOL. What a moron. ss.
Guest Moshe Goldfarb. Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:17:45 +0200, Hadron wrote: > - > "Yes, I am a nymshifting troll. I used to be called Rafael, but since the operation I prefer to be called Robin T Cox." > High Plains Shifter, COLA. What is it with COLA Linux loons and transgender ruminations? First it was Rex running around in a dress. Then Roy (Racine) does some weird sex change stuff. Now we have High Plains Humper aka bobbin Robin, cutting off the wedding tackle. Linux sure seems to attract the oddballs. -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Guest dennis@home Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message news:g30vq8$vi4$1@aioe.org... > dennis@home wrote: >> >> >> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message >> news:g30tto$p46$1@aioe.org... >>> dennis@home wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:g30k6v$htc$1@aioe.org... >>>> >>>> >>>>> What you can't do with Ubuntu: >>>>> >>>>> Worry about: >>>>> WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads, >>>>> DRM, >>>> >>>> Its quite amusing alias posting about DRM being a problem.. >>>> >>>> he is currently posting in the Ubuntu groups for a solution to >>>> preventing people from editing forms he wants them to be able to fill >>>> in online.. >>>> the solution of course is DRM, >>> >>> No, it isn't and I don't want them to necessarily fill them out on line. >>> >>>> however he will just continue with his worthless comments and wont >>>> admit that he can't solve his problem without some sort of DRM. >>> >>> You're wrong again. Forms don't exactly fit under intellectual property, >>> doofus. >>> >>>> He wont solve it at all on Ubuntu so he will just have to accept that >>>> if someone can display it on Ubuntu they can /edit/ it and print it. >>> >>> I want them to print it and edit part of it. You are assuming that my >>> clients are computer savvy. They aren't. >>> >>> Of course, you only choose to comment on the one thing where you think >>> you have a "gotcha" and ignore the rest of the post just like Frank, >>> Spanky and Bill would but what else is new from the Windows fanboys >>> camp? >> >> I commented on the bit that makes *you* look stupid. > > Yeah, what you lamely thought was a "gotcha". You failed which, of course, > makes *you* look stupid. > >> >> Let me know if you solve your problem so I can break it for you. > > The problem's solved. Now, care to comment about the rest of the post? I > didn't think so. Go on then what was your solution? > > Alias
Guest Charlie Tame Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: > Too late: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx I disagree a bit with that, the crucial factor was always extending support. Another 6 years is a pretty good achievement in terms of getting a big corporation to listen to customers. So instead of too late maybe "Just in time" would be the key. Poor Vista sales are not just the result of complaints, there is a small but noticeable financial crisis in the US right now, we are both in the middle of it. Forecast of $5 a gallon gas, a billion dollar loss of crops which will inflate food prices, layoffs all around and no end in sight in Iraq means that if the Government will not tighten their belts the public will do it for them. MS will be smart to recognize this. People are not going to invest $1000+ in a new computer unless they really can be confident it's "Disposable" income.
Guest the wharf rat Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP In article <uvB4qvjzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, HeyBub <heybub@gmail.com> wrote: > >So does a blow-up doll, for those who prefer the sweet caress of vinyl to >that of the real thing. Vinyl won't close out the joint accounts and run off to Cozumel with her hairdresser.
Guest Charlie Tame Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP the wharf rat wrote: > In article <uvB4qvjzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, > HeyBub <heybub@gmail.com> wrote: >> So does a blow-up doll, for those who prefer the sweet caress of vinyl to >> that of the real thing. > > Vinyl won't close out the joint accounts and run off to Cozumel > with her hairdresser. > Nor will Lisa... http://www.perfect-woman.com/en/index.php?video=0
Guest Alias Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP Charlie Tame wrote: > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >> Too late: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx > > > I disagree a bit with that, the crucial factor was always extending > support. Another 6 years is a pretty good achievement in terms of > getting a big corporation to listen to customers. So instead of too late > maybe "Just in time" would be the key. Poor Vista sales are not just the > result of complaints, there is a small but noticeable financial crisis > in the US right now, we are both in the middle of it. Forecast of $5 a > gallon gas, a billion dollar loss of crops which will inflate food > prices, layoffs all around and no end in sight in Iraq means that if the > Government will not tighten their belts the public will do it for them. > MS will be smart to recognize this. People are not going to invest > $1000+ in a new computer unless they really can be confident it's > "Disposable" income. Yeah, but a 1000 US Dollar computer is only 650 euros ;-) Alias
Guest HeyBub Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP Alias wrote: > HeyBub wrote: >> Canuck57 wrote: >>> "David" <mcdonald606a@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:ccf7cc1b-e80d-4ce8-8003-3f27e0b68c79@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >>> >>>> just to get the same performance you currently get with Windows XP. >>> You are doing good. I never got that far. >>> >>>> Having a " Vista Only " PC world is delegating many PC's of the >>>> world into fancy screen-saver endowed paperweights. >>> Not really, Ubuntu works on it just great. >> >> So does a blow-up doll, for those who prefer the sweet caress of >> vinyl to that of the real thing. >> >> >> > > What is it about these MS fanboys and their weird sexual fantasies? I > get the feeling that none of them ever get laid. > It's a metaphor (viz.).
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP Charlie Tame wrote: > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >> Too late: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx > > I disagree a bit with that, the crucial factor was always extending > support. Another 6 years is a pretty good achievement in terms of > getting a big corporation to listen to customers. So instead of too late > maybe "Just in time" would be the key. Apples & oranges. Windows Life Cycle policy (for WinXP) hasn't changed, Charlie: WinXP SP3 will have Extended Support until 08 April 2014. Support for WinXP SP2 ends 13 July 1010. More: http://msmvps.com/blogs/donna/archive/2008/06/14/end-of-support-xp-service-pack-2.aspx -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
Guest D Peter Maus Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP the wharf rat wrote: > In article <uvB4qvjzIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, > HeyBub <heybub@gmail.com> wrote: >> So does a blow-up doll, for those who prefer the sweet caress of vinyl to >> that of the real thing. > > Vinyl won't close out the joint accounts and run off to Cozumel > with her hairdresser. > Neither will a Golden Lab. Nor, when a Golden sh*ts on you, do you have to hire a lawyer to clean it up.
Guest Alan Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch Who says that Microsoft doesn't have a sense of humor? "We've [Microsoft] spent more than a year consulting with our customers and industry partners to ensure that we're doing the right thing. We understand that not everyone may agree with our decision-just as not everyone was happy to see Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows ME retire (OK, perhaps not ME)." "OK, perhaps not ME?" :-> Alan "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:%23j3yRBkzIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Too late: > > Windows XP: The future: > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx > -- > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > > > cheley_bonstell88@live.com wrote: >> XP Death Watch >> >> >> >> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-five-weeks_1.html >> >> Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains >> the most-used version of Windows. The newest data from Web metrics >> vendor Net Applications, for example, >> pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went >> online last month, >> >> five times the nearest competitor, Microsoft's own Windows Vista. >> >> Which is why an impending deadline five weeks from today is important. >> >> According to Microsoft, June 30 is the last day it will permit >> retailers and OEMs to sell >> the nearly seven-year-old operating system. >> >> [ Make your voice heard. Sign InfoWorld's 'Save Windows XP' petition >> today. ] >> >> >> http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ >> >> >> You'll have questions as that date approaches, >> >> including whether the deadline will drive up prices (gouging, >> anyone?); >> >> we plan to have the answers, starting with this FAQ and continuing >> through the end of next month. >> >> How long until Microsoft shuts off the XP spigot? Five weeks from >> today is the last day Microsoft >> >> will officially allow retailers to sell the old operating system, and >> let major computer makers >
Guest Synapse Syndrome Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message news:OxhOYwnzIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Who says that Microsoft doesn't have a sense of humor? > > "We've [Microsoft] spent more than a year consulting with our customers > and industry partners to ensure that we're doing the right thing. We > understand that not everyone may agree with our decision-just as not > everyone was happy to see Windows 95, > Windows 98, or Windows ME retire (OK, perhaps not ME)." > > "OK, perhaps not ME?" :-> I have very little experience of WinME, as there was a better contemporary OS from Microsoft. It was irrelevant to serious users, enthusiasts and businesses that had already moved to the NT line, so it was quite harmless in comparison. Microsoft will be making jokes like that about Vista one day, [hopefully, if they get back on the ball]. In time, even the blinkered Vista fans will see how much it has become more derided than wine. I really do hope that Win7 will not be so disappointing. ss.
Guest Twayne Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch > XP Death Watch > > > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-five-weeks_1.html > > Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains > the most-used version of Windows. The newest data from Web metrics > vendor Net Applications, for example, > pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went > online last month, > > five times the nearest competitor, Microsoft's own Windows Vista. > > Which is why an impending deadline five weeks from today is important. > > According to Microsoft, June 30 is the last day it will permit > retailers and OEMs to sell > the nearly seven-year-old operating system. > > [ Make your voice heard. Sign InfoWorld's 'Save Windows XP' petition > today. ] > > > http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/ > > > You'll have questions as that date approaches, > > including whether the deadline will drive up prices (gouging, > anyone?); > > we plan to have the answers, starting with this FAQ and continuing > through the end of next month. > > How long until Microsoft shuts off the XP spigot? Five weeks from > today is the last day Microsoft > > will officially allow retailers to sell the old operating system, and > let major computer makers You're out of date; check it out again.
Guest the wharf rat Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch In article <4853ccec$0$30195$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, DS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.com> wrote: >On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:25:36 +0000, the wharf rat wrote: > >> In article <Ot5dobdzIHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, Hayden Kirk >> <hayden@mobilepc.co.nz> wrote: >>> >>>My customers want a good 64bit system. >> >> Why? > >Possibly because that is what he recommends to them. > That's circular reasoning.
Guest Alias Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP HeyBub wrote: > Alias wrote: >> HeyBub wrote: >>> Canuck57 wrote: >>>> "David" <mcdonald606a@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ccf7cc1b-e80d-4ce8-8003-3f27e0b68c79@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>>> just to get the same performance you currently get with Windows XP. >>>> You are doing good. I never got that far. >>>> >>>>> Having a " Vista Only " PC world is delegating many PC's of the >>>>> world into fancy screen-saver endowed paperweights. >>>> Not really, Ubuntu works on it just great. >>> So does a blow-up doll, for those who prefer the sweet caress of >>> vinyl to that of the real thing. >>> >>> >>> >> What is it about these MS fanboys and their weird sexual fantasies? I >> get the feeling that none of them ever get laid. >> > > It's a metaphor (viz.). > > I know. Alias
Guest Charlie Tame Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP Alias wrote: > Charlie Tame wrote: >> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>> Too late: >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx >> >> >> I disagree a bit with that, the crucial factor was always extending >> support. Another 6 years is a pretty good achievement in terms of >> getting a big corporation to listen to customers. So instead of too >> late maybe "Just in time" would be the key. Poor Vista sales are not >> just the result of complaints, there is a small but noticeable >> financial crisis in the US right now, we are both in the middle of it. >> Forecast of $5 a gallon gas, a billion dollar loss of crops which will >> inflate food prices, layoffs all around and no end in sight in Iraq >> means that if the Government will not tighten their belts the public >> will do it for them. MS will be smart to recognize this. People are >> not going to invest $1000+ in a new computer unless they really can be >> confident it's "Disposable" income. > > Yeah, but a 1000 US Dollar computer is only 650 euros ;-) > > Alias Well I don't want to stray too far off topic but Vista costs money and people want to see an "Investment". Unfortunately Vista also demands new hardware which is a further investment. The boss asks "What does it do that our present system cannot do?" "Well, explorer is as flakey as ever, no change there, the new search / index service doesn't really work and it will require several hours per employee in retraining - oh and we will need to buy faster machines to get the same performance we got with XP because the new "Managed Code" is much bigger and is interpreted rather than compiled." "And the networking only works when it feels like it, our other systems are okay but the Vista machines need constant attention, each "Update" means we have to reconfigure everything else on the network just to keep sharing files." Not much of a sales pitch really...
Guest Rex Ballard Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP On Jun 14, 1:31 pm, w...@panix.com (the wharf rat) wrote: > In article <d78a0e09-80c7-4fa7-8b7e-537e7d9e0...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Actually, Windows 98, 2000, ME, and XP OEM licenses are tied to the > >specific machine being purchased. > > They're tied to the hardware. If you upgrade the machine the > license remains valid. Upgrade is undefined. Actually, even that's subjective. With Windows XP, you have to call Microsoft (not a toll free call), tell them exactly what you did, and let them decide whether or not you should pay extra for a license. Generally, if you do that, even if they decide that it's too much of an upgrade, the fee for the new license will be much less than if you had to go out and buy a new one. You will have to call Microsoft for increases in memory crossing any 256 megabyte boundry, installing a larger disk drive, or installing a faster CPU. Some things like motherboard replacement are sure-fire triggers for a credit card payment. Remember that with Vista, Microsoft has the right to completely disable your computer, and demand full payment for a retail license if they don't like your upgrades or configurations. In addition, certain upgrades can void your warranty.
Guest Hadron Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> writes: > On Jun 14, 1:31 pm, w...@panix.com (the wharf rat) wrote: >> In article <d78a0e09-80c7-4fa7-8b7e-537e7d9e0...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >Actually, Windows 98, 2000, ME, and XP OEM licenses are tied to the >> >specific machine being purchased. >> >> They're tied to the hardware. If you upgrade the machine the >> license remains valid. Upgrade is undefined. > > Actually, even that's subjective. With Windows XP, you have to call > Microsoft (not a toll free call), tell them exactly what you did, and > let them decide whether or not you should pay extra for a license. > Generally, if you do that, even if they decide that it's too much of > an upgrade, the fee for the new license will be much less than if you > had to go out and buy a new one. > > You will have to call Microsoft for increases in memory crossing any > 256 megabyte boundry, installing a larger disk drive, or installing a > faster CPU. Some things like motherboard replacement are sure-fire > triggers for a credit card payment. > > Remember that with Vista, Microsoft has the right to completely > disable your computer, and demand full payment for a retail license if > they don't like your upgrades or configurations. In addition, certain > upgrades can void your warranty. Well Rexx, I hope you make that clear to all the people you are selling closed source solutions to. I doubt it. But as you, and I know, nearly everything you say is mere rattling of the COLA cage. -- "Give it up because going on the offensive, and you are quite offensive, is not going to cover up your trolling and nym shifting blunders no matter now many times you re-post the same text." -- "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Guest Rex Ballard Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch On Jun 14, 1:19 am, Nick Ballard <nrball...@gmail.com> wrote: > cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote: > > XP Death Watch > >http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-five-... > > > Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains > > the most-used version of Windows. The newest data from Web metrics > > vendor Net Applications, for example, More importantly, as a percentage of the total market, Vista is even a bigger "bomb" than Windows NT 3.x launched in 1994. Remember that that release was so bad that Microsoft announced "Chicago" (later known as Windows 95) almost immediately, largely to keep OEMs and Corporate customers from opting for OS/2, UnixWare, or Linux. After 18 months, Vista is still having trouble keeping up with Mac and Linux, who combined, have captured more market than Vista. In fact, if Microsoft had to report the number of "Vista Business Edition" licenses that were actually shipped as XP Professional "downgrades" - as the actual XP licenses, it would show that XP is the majority of the market. > > pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went > > online last month, Which means that 3 out of 4 PCs sold are being sold as "XP Professional" and being reported by Microsoft in their SEC filings as "Vista Business Edition". > > five times the nearest competitor, Microsoft's own Windows Vista. Meanwhile, people are paying premium prices for Macs, while Vista desktop machines have fallen below the $200 "floor" - many OEMs are loosing a fortune on the unpopularity of Vista. Retailers have pretty much thrown in the towel. CompUSA closed all of it's retail stores in the northeast, along with most of their retail stores in the rest of the country because the Vista market was such a loser market. People were going into the showroom, looking at vista, low resolution wide screen displays, and insufficient memory - then ordering the computers online, with higher resolution screens, extra memory, 7200 RPM drives, and XP instead of Vista as the operating system. > > Which is why an impending deadline five weeks from today is important. > > > According to Microsoft, June 30 is the last day it will permit > > retailers and OEMs to sell > > the nearly seven-year-old operating system. Microsoft might have been able to pull this off if they had a really hot product that everybody was crazy about. Windows 95 and Windows 98 were that kind of product. Microsoft attempted to "Force Feed" XP to the market, and many companies seriously considered pulling the plug on Microsoft altogether. Corporate executives, especially the CEO, COO, and CFO have seen this coming for almost 2 years now, and any CIO who thinks that they will be able to go to the board and demand huge sums of money for Vista upgrades will probably find himself unemployed very quickly. Other companies have announced official "sunset" policies, pushing the transition from Microsoft proprietary products and formats to Open Document Format, Open Source Software, Platform Independent applications, and Linux ready computers. As a result, they are prepared to make the transition to Linux or Mac. Microsoft is very likely overplaying a weak hand, and they have bet the farm on a huge bluff that too many corporate customers are prepared to call. Remember that many corporations have already purchased enough XP licenses for every employee, up to the maximum number of employees they've ever employed from 1999 to 2008, and these licenses ARE transferrable. Furthermore, because Microsoft got greedy and sold these companies licenses instead of upgrades, these licenses can be installed on machines sold with Linux, as VM appliances. Microsoft's greed and arrogance has finally put them in the position for a really big problem. If they actually hold to their "death watch" date, it could be that Dell, HP, Lenovo and Acer, the top 5 OEMs, will be putting Linux boxes on the retail shelves, complete with fully configured Linux, and a nice collection of hundreds of applications that would have to be purchased separately for Vista machines. If Microsoft attempts to strong-arm them again, there is a good chance that the OEMs will be dragging Microsoft through the federal courts, and pushing for further extensions to the DOJ remedy oversight. The one thing that is crystal clear is that if Microsoft tries to force the Industry to transition to Vista, the industry is very likely to cut Microsoft out of it's future migration plans. > > <SNIP> > > Great. Let them shoot themselves in the foot. Seems to be the attitude of lots of people these days. Microsoft has lost most of the "good will" equity they have held for years. More and more companies and end-users are installing open source technologies including FireFox, OpenOffice, and multiplatform Java applications. Many have rolled out desktop virtualization as well. And if Microsoft tries to kill XP in hopes of forcing them to Vista, it's highly likely that a substantial portion - perhaps 1/2 or even 3/4 of those XP desktop users will be switched over to Linux or Mac. Worse, corporate customers may put a moratorium on new PCs until they can make the full transition, or they will require any employee who wants to purchase a Vista machine to purchase it with their own funds, or will be deducted from their bonuses, while those who are willing to accept Linux machines will have their new machines fully funded by the company. > Vista is a crippled, DRM-infested piece of crap that makes a dual-core > AMD64 machine perform like a Pentium II. It's ironic that all of the "Linux hostile" tactics and "features" that were intended to "lock in" the market may be the very features that have resulted in the most aggressive rejection of Microsoft since 1994. In 1994, Linux was very young. Red Hat was willing to offer Linux to OEMs for $2/copy on a nonexclusive basis (the OEMs could install BOTH Linux and Windows). It was Microsoft who decided to play "hardball", reformatting hard drives before installing Windows 95, mandating to OEMs and IHVs that Microsoft assign the PCI vendor and device code and that the codes be kept seccret. Few people knew about Linux, and it's likely that if they had seen Linux on PCs displayed on Retail Shelves, that Linux would have blown Windows NT 3.1 AND Windows 3.1 completely out of the water in 1994-5, it might have even blown away Windows 95 in 1995-1997. Microsoft did everything they could to keep Linux off the retail shelves, but the genie is out of the bottle. About 4 blocks from Wall Street, J&R has ASUS EEE machines on display, running Linux, and it's clear that Linux can do the most popular functions of a PC on a machine that is 1/2 the memory, disk, and CPU speed of an XP system and about 1/4 the hardware of a Vista machine. Users see that Linux can boot up and be fully functional in less time than it takes for XP or Vista to just get to the "splash screen". Several Motherboard manufacturers are now including Linux core functionality in their motherboards, meaning that even if Microsoft wanted to they couldn't lock Linux out of the machine since the core OS calls are actually being carried out by Linux. OEMs are becoming more and more aware that desktop virtualization is the "next big thing" and Vista is too much of a resource pig to be the primary operating system. Furthermore, if users see that applications launched by Linux are faster than the ones launched in the Vista Virtual machine, then it's likely that Vista will be launched only when absolutely necessary rather than as the "preferred" operating system. > If MSFT seriously thinks that > it's somehow advantageous to push this sorry excuse for an OS onto the > general public, they deserve to go out of business. Microsoft won't be going out of business any time soon, but revenues from Vista and Microsoft Office will make up a smaller and smaller portion of their revenue as they look elsewhere for revenue sources. Microsoft has been able to gradually reduce their dependence on Windows license revenue, windows support revenue, and even office revenue. They have moved more aggressively into the game market with Xbox, they have expanded their services offerings and are gaining more revenue from web sites. They also hold substantial interest in 3rd party sites, which pay them royalties equivalent to as much as 1/2 their commissions or profits. > Windows XP isn't the only option if you're trying to avoid Vista. There > are Linux, BSD, OS X, and Solaris...all of which have been gaining > serious application support in the form of native 3rd-party apps and > compatibility libraries such as WINE. For the last 10 years, there has been a very agressive move away from the "Microsoft-only" development languages and libraries, and a more aggressive move toward the "Multiplatform" tools, libraries, and APIs. Even before the Clinton Administration pressed the Antitrust case, Microsoft's attempt to subvert Netscape from the market became a clear warning to software vendors that nothing was sacred, and that they needed to be prepared to support multiple markets. Microsoft could easily "lock them out" of the Windows market with shovelware from a third-rate competitor making a knock-off, but by supporting multiplatform, they could still maintain a sizable chunk of revenue selling support and services, especially to corporate customers, by supporting Linux and Unix as well as Windows. Throughout most of the industry, the revenue model for software has shifted from the "license and royalties" paradigm to the "consulting and support" model. Ironically, Microsoft tried this model, but never really figured it out. The result has been that huge companies like IBM, Accenture, and CSC have been able to provide outstanding support for OSS and UNIX software while the support for Windows software has been gradually degrading into the "5 Rs" (restart, reboot, reinstall app, reinstall windows, rebuild everything), with very little ability to reliably recover from virus attacks, or even misguided patches that trashed 3rd party software. P.S. You're doing a great job of posting Nick, keep up the good work. (Nick is my son). Rex Ballard
Guest the wharf rat Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP In article <8f0a3756-dc97-413a-9429-b99023561595@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote: > >Actually, even that's subjective. With Windows XP, you have to call >Microsoft (not a toll free call), tell them exactly what you did, and > That hasn't been my experience at all. 80% of the time even a major upgrade seems to cause no problems. Every other time all I've ever had to do is call MS and talk to the robot. I think exactly ONCE I had to talk to a person. That's once in, what, 7 years? >You will have to call Microsoft for increases in memory crossing any >256 megabyte boundry, installing a larger disk drive, or installing a >faster CPU. Some things like motherboard replacement are sure-fire >triggers for a credit card payment. > Again, that hasn't been my experience. I've done hundreds if not thousands of XP upgrades and never once been asked to pay a fee. And seldom been denied an activation. It seems to me based on the work I've done with XP that you practically need to install the license on a completely new system (say, moving the disc drive to a new motherboard and case) to trigger an activation denial. I have test systems that I move parts around on several times in a day, do reinstalls, and even then only sometimes have to call to activate. And when I do I only need the robot. Just last month I did this: Receive old AMD 2000+ system "running slow". Replace CPU with AMD 2400, replace old 20MB with new 100MB, reinstall XP. Measure perfomance, not much of a change. Replace crappy old VIA KT266 motherboard with not quite as crappy KT800, AMD 2800, and 333 memory. Reinstall. Still no problems. Next day receive Nvidia 3 motherboard, AMD 3000/64, and PC3200 RAM as pull. Swap in for KT800 setup. Reinstall. Activation fails, type long magic number to robot, type long magic number from robot, congratulations you've activated windows (again). >Remember that with Vista, Microsoft has the right to completely >disable your computer, and demand full payment for a retail license if Didn't they remove that in SP1? >upgrades can void your warranty. Warranty? All it says is "we make no guarantees and take no responsibility" anyway.
Guest the wharf rat Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: XP Death Watch In article <5a06c325-db2e-48cc-bc5f-ba9e1472b85d@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote: > >known as Windows 95) almost immediately, largely to keep OEMs and >Corporate customers from opting for OS/2, UnixWare, or Linux. > Linux? In 1994? Please. >In 1994, Linux was very young. Red Hat was willing to offer Linux to Redhat didn't begin commercial distribution until 1996. >Linux and Windows). It was Microsoft who decided to play "hardball", >reformatting hard drives before installing Windows 95, mandating to >OEMs and IHVs that Microsoft assign the PCI vendor and device code and I don't understand this. >Several Motherboard manufacturers are now including Linux core >functionality in their motherboards, meaning that even if Microsoft >wanted to they couldn't lock Linux out of the machine since the core >OS calls are actually being carried out by Linux. > I don't understand this, either.
Guest Alias Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP Rex Ballard wrote: > On Jun 14, 1:31 pm, w...@panix.com (the wharf rat) wrote: >> In article <d78a0e09-80c7-4fa7-8b7e-537e7d9e0...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Actually, Windows 98, 2000, ME, and XP OEM licenses are tied to the >>> specific machine being purchased. >> They're tied to the hardware. If you upgrade the machine the >> license remains valid. Upgrade is undefined. > > Actually, even that's subjective. With Windows XP, you have to call > Microsoft (not a toll free call), tell them exactly what you did, FALSE! All you need to tell them is this: Mandatory Product Activation Data The Installation ID is unique to each product and comprises two components: The country in which the product is being installed (for Office XP and Office XP family products only) Anything else is NONE of the activation desk person's business! See: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/mpa.aspx Alias and > let them decide whether or not you should pay extra for a license. > Generally, if you do that, even if they decide that it's too much of > an upgrade, the fee for the new license will be much less than if you > had to go out and buy a new one. > > You will have to call Microsoft for increases in memory crossing any > 256 megabyte boundry, installing a larger disk drive, or installing a > faster CPU. Some things like motherboard replacement are sure-fire > triggers for a credit card payment. > > Remember that with Vista, Microsoft has the right to completely > disable your computer, and demand full payment for a retail license if > they don't like your upgrades or configurations. In addition, certain > upgrades can void your warranty. > >
Guest Charlie Tame Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: > Charlie Tame wrote: >> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>> Too late: >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx >> >> I disagree a bit with that, the crucial factor was always extending >> support. Another 6 years is a pretty good achievement in terms of >> getting a big corporation to listen to customers. So instead of too late >> maybe "Just in time" would be the key. > > Apples & oranges. Windows Life Cycle policy (for WinXP) hasn't changed, > Charlie: WinXP SP3 will have Extended Support until 08 April 2014. > Support for WinXP SP2 ends 13 July 1010. More: > http://msmvps.com/blogs/donna/archive/2008/06/14/end-of-support-xp-service-pack-2.aspx > My point is that the pressure to extend was there but not clearly visible at first. Obviously MS did listen, but made insufficient effort to clarify the situation. Also, the removal of XP from retail stores raises another question. Many machines out there cannot run Vista. Many of the original CDs, OEM or otherwise are lost. What happens to those machines in the event of a hard drive failure or some virus damage? This has not been too reassuring for customers.
Guest Canuck57 Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OanuuEkzIHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Too late: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx What a line of feltercarb. MS wants people to repurchase an OS ever three years or so. It helps revenue to make the next billions for Bill, Steve and crew. It does not have to be good, even if you don't need it; because we are good. See, I summarized pages of hard sell and filler into three sentences.
Guest Canuck57 Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: So help save Windows XP Re: So help save Windows XP "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message news:eEmRRllzIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >> Too late: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx > > > I disagree a bit with that, the crucial factor was always extending > support. Another 6 years is a pretty good achievement in terms of getting > a big corporation to listen to customers. So instead of too late maybe > "Just in time" would be the key. Poor Vista sales are not just the result > of complaints, there is a small but noticeable financial crisis in the US > right now, we are both in the middle of it. Forecast of $5 a gallon gas, a > billion dollar loss of crops which will inflate food prices, layoffs all > around and no end in sight in Iraq means that if the Government will not > tighten their belts the public will do it for them. MS will be smart to > recognize this. People are not going to invest $1000+ in a new computer > unless they really can be confident it's "Disposable" income. Offset by more people working at home, choosing XP and not Vista. Know one person buying a PC, getting in under the wire but getting it with XP and not Vista. Theirs broke and their work does not support Vista yet.
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