Guest _DD Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 What is the cause of the long delay in saving an IE shortcut? This happens only after a few IE windows are open, or when at least one IE window is open for a length of time. For that reason, I suspect a problem with some local 'resource' that is getting depleted. This occurs on systems with lots of ram, so it's not directly related to main memory allocation. Closing -ALL- IE windows seems to fix this, so there's some base that stays alive for all IE windows. (Any way to change this?) I'd post some system configs, but I've seen this on several systems now, and it seems to occur independent of hardware. Again, it seems more related to the length of time that at least one IE window is open. Ideas?
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: LONG delay when saving a shortcut with IE [crossposted to IE General] What IE version are you using? -- IE-specific newsgroup: http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 _DD wrote: > What is the cause of the long delay in saving an IE shortcut? This > happens only after a few IE windows are open, or when at least one IE > window is open for a length of time. For that reason, I suspect a > problem with some local 'resource' that is getting depleted. This > occurs on systems with lots of ram, so it's not directly related to > main memory allocation. > > Closing -ALL- IE windows seems to fix this, so there's some base that > stays alive for all IE windows. (Any way to change this?) > > I'd post some system configs, but I've seen this on several systems > now, and it seems to occur independent of hardware. Again, it seems > more related to the length of time that at least one IE window is > open. > > Ideas?
Guest _DD Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 Re: LONG delay when saving a shortcut with IE On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:54:01 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: >[crossposted to IE General] > >What IE version are you using? >-- >IE-specific newsgroup: >http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general > >~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 On most machines, IE 6.0.2900.2180. Not sure if I've loaded IE 7 on anything yet (I'll have to check). I am cautious about moving to new versions of anything if I'm doing OK with current versions. Does IE 7 fix a known problem with this? >_DD wrote: >> What is the cause of the long delay in saving an IE shortcut? This >> happens only after a few IE windows are open, or when at least one IE >> window is open for a length of time. For that reason, I suspect a >> problem with some local 'resource' that is getting depleted. This >> occurs on systems with lots of ram, so it's not directly related to >> main memory allocation. >> >> Closing -ALL- IE windows seems to fix this, so there's some base that >> stays alive for all IE windows. (Any way to change this?) >> >> I'd post some system configs, but I've seen this on several systems >> now, and it seems to occur independent of hardware. Again, it seems >> more related to the length of time that at least one IE window is >> open. >> >> Ideas?
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Re: LONG delay when saving a shortcut with IE > ...Does IE 7 fix a known problem with this? Not that I know of and that's not why I asked anyway. Are you referring to adding a bookmark to your Favorites, DD, or creating & saving a literal (webpage) shortcut to, e.g., the desktop? What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? -- ~PA Bear _DD wrote: > PA Bear wrote: >> [crossposted to IE General] >> >> What IE version are you using? >> -- >> IE-specific newsgroup: >> http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 > > On most machines, IE 6.0.2900.2180. Not sure if I've loaded IE 7 on > anything yet (I'll have to check). I am cautious about moving to new > versions of anything if I'm doing OK with current versions. Does IE 7 > fix a known problem with this? > >> _DD wrote: >>> What is the cause of the long delay in saving an IE shortcut? This >>> happens only after a few IE windows are open, or when at least one IE >>> window is open for a length of time. For that reason, I suspect a >>> problem with some local 'resource' that is getting depleted. This >>> occurs on systems with lots of ram, so it's not directly related to >>> main memory allocation. >>> >>> Closing -ALL- IE windows seems to fix this, so there's some base that >>> stays alive for all IE windows. (Any way to change this?) >>> >>> I'd post some system configs, but I've seen this on several systems >>> now, and it seems to occur independent of hardware. Again, it seems >>> more related to the length of time that at least one IE window is >>> open. >>> >>> Ideas?
Guest _DD Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 Re: LONG delay when saving a shortcut with IE On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:51:29 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: >> ...Does IE 7 fix a known problem with this? > >Not that I know of and that's not why I asked anyway. > >Are you referring to adding a bookmark to your Favorites, DD, or creating & >saving a literal (webpage) shortcut to, e.g., the desktop? > >What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What >anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall >(if any)? I was talking about saving bookmarks to Favorites. It's kind of a binary thing in that normally they save very quickly, but after multiple IE windows have been open for a while, there is a sudden dramatic slowdown. Both IE and the file system lock while something is going on in the background with the bookmark save. Once the problem starts, it does not stop until -all- IE windows are closed. This has happened on a lot of machines, with and without anti-virus, etc. I just noticed it on a new machine w no anti-virus or 3rd party firewall running on it yet. I have usually used NOD32, but I doubt that this is related to anything except IE or some file system quirk.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 Re: LONG delay when saving a shortcut with IE Thread history: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/browse_frm/thread/bcb460d6745ee74d/5a2adef516fafdc8 _DD wrote: >>> ...Does IE 7 fix a known problem with this? >> >> Not that I know of and that's not why I asked anyway. >> >> Are you referring to adding a bookmark to your Favorites, DD, or creating >> & >> saving a literal (webpage) shortcut to, e.g., the desktop? >> >> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What >> anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party >> firewall >> (if any)? > > I was talking about saving bookmarks to Favorites. It's kind of a > binary thing in that normally they save very quickly, but after > multiple IE windows have been open for a while, there is a sudden > dramatic slowdown. Both IE and the file system lock while something is > going on in the background with the bookmark save. Once the problem > starts, it does not stop until -all- IE windows are closed. > > This has happened on a lot of machines, with and without anti-virus, > etc. I just noticed it on a new machine w no anti-virus or 3rd party > firewall running on it yet. I have usually used NOD32, but I doubt > that this is related to anything except IE or some file system quirk. 1. Change your "Days to save History" setting to no more than five (5) days, if set higher (e.g., 365 days). 2a. If a Norton application had been installed at some point but is now uninstalled, download/run this removal tool: http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039 2b. If a McAfee application had been installed at some point but is now uninstalled, download/run this removal tool: http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=107083&lc=4105&partner=McAfee&type=TS&ia=1 3. Uninstall any/all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; MSN; Windows Live; Skype; Roboform) via Add/Remove Programs. 4. Disable any unnecessary Add-ons remaining via IE Tools | Manage Add-ons. 5. Delete Temporary Internet Files via IE Tools | Internet Options | General | Temporary Internet Files, accepting the option to delete all offline content. 6. Run Disk Cleanup. 7.Run Disk Defragmenter. 8. Test the behavior now. If and when you experience the same behavior, tell me how many IE windows were open at the time. -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
Guest _DD Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: LONG delay when saving a shortcut with IE On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:46:03 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: >Thread history: >http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/browse_frm/thread/bcb460d6745ee74d/5a2adef516fafdc8 > >_DD wrote: >>>> ...Does IE 7 fix a known problem with this? >>> >>> Not that I know of and that's not why I asked anyway. >>> >>> Are you referring to adding a bookmark to your Favorites, DD, or creating >>> & >>> saving a literal (webpage) shortcut to, e.g., the desktop? >>> >>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What >>> anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party >>> firewall >>> (if any)? >> >> I was talking about saving bookmarks to Favorites. It's kind of a >> binary thing in that normally they save very quickly, but after >> multiple IE windows have been open for a while, there is a sudden >> dramatic slowdown. Both IE and the file system lock while something is >> going on in the background with the bookmark save. Once the problem >> starts, it does not stop until -all- IE windows are closed. >> >> This has happened on a lot of machines, with and without anti-virus, >> etc. I just noticed it on a new machine w no anti-virus or 3rd party >> firewall running on it yet. I have usually used NOD32, but I doubt >> that this is related to anything except IE or some file system quirk. > >1. Change your "Days to save History" setting to no more than five (5) days, >if set higher (e.g., 365 days). > >2a. If a Norton application had been installed at some point but is now >uninstalled, download/run this removal tool: >http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039 > >2b. If a McAfee application had been installed at some point but is now >uninstalled, download/run this removal tool: >http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=107083&lc=4105&partner=McAfee&type=TS&ia=1 > >3. Uninstall any/all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; MSN; Windows >Live; Skype; Roboform) via Add/Remove Programs. > >4. Disable any unnecessary Add-ons remaining via IE Tools | Manage Add-ons. > >5. Delete Temporary Internet Files via IE Tools | Internet Options | General >| Temporary Internet Files, accepting the option to delete all offline >content. > >6. Run Disk Cleanup. > >7.Run Disk Defragmenter. > >8. Test the behavior now. If and when you experience the same behavior, >tell me how many IE windows were open at the time. Hi PA Bear, Days to save was already set at 6. I've decreased it to 4. No Norton, No McAfee (I avoid both) The only addons are Adobe pdf reader and Google Toolbar (Is Google Toolbar a known problem? I actually use that) I keep the Temp Internet Files quota low. Last occurrence was on a newly loaded system, though I have run defraggers on others with no change in behavior. I often have 10 IE's running. I suspect that this problem occurs somewhere in the code that they share (given that all IE's have to be closed to correct it).
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: LONG delay when saving a shortcut with IE Please do #3 through #8, DD. (Yes, that means uninstalling Google Toolbar, at least for now.) _DD wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:46:03 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thread history: >> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/browse_frm/thread/bcb460d6745ee74d/5a2adef516fafdc8 >> >> _DD wrote: >>>>> ...Does IE 7 fix a known problem with this? >>>> >>>> Not that I know of and that's not why I asked anyway. >>>> >>>> Are you referring to adding a bookmark to your Favorites, DD, or >>>> creating >>>> & >>>> saving a literal (webpage) shortcut to, e.g., the desktop? >>>> >>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What >>>> anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party >>>> firewall >>>> (if any)? >>> >>> I was talking about saving bookmarks to Favorites. It's kind of a >>> binary thing in that normally they save very quickly, but after >>> multiple IE windows have been open for a while, there is a sudden >>> dramatic slowdown. Both IE and the file system lock while something is >>> going on in the background with the bookmark save. Once the problem >>> starts, it does not stop until -all- IE windows are closed. >>> >>> This has happened on a lot of machines, with and without anti-virus, >>> etc. I just noticed it on a new machine w no anti-virus or 3rd party >>> firewall running on it yet. I have usually used NOD32, but I doubt >>> that this is related to anything except IE or some file system quirk. >> >> 1. Change your "Days to save History" setting to no more than five (5) >> days, if set higher (e.g., 365 days). >> >> 2a. If a Norton application had been installed at some point but is now >> uninstalled, download/run this removal tool: >> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039 >> >> 2b. If a McAfee application had been installed at some point but is now >> uninstalled, download/run this removal tool: >> http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=107083&lc=4105&partner=McAfee&type=TS&ia=1 >> >> 3. Uninstall any/all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; MSN; >> Windows Live; Skype; Roboform) via Add/Remove Programs. >> >> 4. Disable any unnecessary Add-ons remaining via IE Tools | Manage >> Add-ons. >> >> 5. Delete Temporary Internet Files via IE Tools | Internet Options | >> General >>> Temporary Internet Files, accepting the option to delete all offline >>> content. >> >> 6. Run Disk Cleanup. >> >> 7.Run Disk Defragmenter. >> >> 8. Test the behavior now. If and when you experience the same behavior, >> tell me how many IE windows were open at the time. > > Hi PA Bear, > > Days to save was already set at 6. I've decreased it to 4. > No Norton, No McAfee (I avoid both) > The only addons are Adobe pdf reader and Google Toolbar > (Is Google Toolbar a known problem? I actually use that) > I keep the Temp Internet Files quota low. > Last occurrence was on a newly loaded system, though I have run > defraggers on others with no change in behavior. > > I often have 10 IE's running. I suspect that this problem occurs > somewhere in the code that they share (given that all IE's have to be > closed to correct it).
Guest _DD Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 Re: LONG delay when saving a shortcut with IE On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:32:55 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: >Please do #3 through #8, DD. (Yes, that means uninstalling Google Toolbar, >at least for now.) > >_DD wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:46:03 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" >> <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thread history: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/browse_frm/thread/bcb460d6745ee74d/5a2adef516fafdc8 >>> >>> _DD wrote: >>>>>> ...Does IE 7 fix a known problem with this? >>>>> >>>>> Not that I know of and that's not why I asked anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Are you referring to adding a bookmark to your Favorites, DD, or >>>>> creating >>>>> & >>>>> saving a literal (webpage) shortcut to, e.g., the desktop? >>>>> >>>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What >>>>> anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party >>>>> firewall >>>>> (if any)? >>>> >>>> I was talking about saving bookmarks to Favorites. It's kind of a >>>> binary thing in that normally they save very quickly, but after >>>> multiple IE windows have been open for a while, there is a sudden >>>> dramatic slowdown. Both IE and the file system lock while something is >>>> going on in the background with the bookmark save. Once the problem >>>> starts, it does not stop until -all- IE windows are closed. >>>> >>>> This has happened on a lot of machines, with and without anti-virus, >>>> etc. I just noticed it on a new machine w no anti-virus or 3rd party >>>> firewall running on it yet. I have usually used NOD32, but I doubt >>>> that this is related to anything except IE or some file system quirk. >>> >>> 1. Change your "Days to save History" setting to no more than five (5) >>> days, if set higher (e.g., 365 days). >>> >>> 2a. If a Norton application had been installed at some point but is now >>> uninstalled, download/run this removal tool: >>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039 >>> >>> 2b. If a McAfee application had been installed at some point but is now >>> uninstalled, download/run this removal tool: >>> http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=107083&lc=4105&partner=McAfee&type=TS&ia=1 >>> >>> 3. Uninstall any/all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; MSN; >>> Windows Live; Skype; Roboform) via Add/Remove Programs. >>> >>> 4. Disable any unnecessary Add-ons remaining via IE Tools | Manage >>> Add-ons. >>> >>> 5. Delete Temporary Internet Files via IE Tools | Internet Options | >>> General >>>> Temporary Internet Files, accepting the option to delete all offline >>>> content. >>> >>> 6. Run Disk Cleanup. >>> >>> 7.Run Disk Defragmenter. >>> >>> 8. Test the behavior now. If and when you experience the same behavior, >>> tell me how many IE windows were open at the time. >> >> Hi PA Bear, >> >> Days to save was already set at 6. I've decreased it to 4. >> No Norton, No McAfee (I avoid both) >> The only addons are Adobe pdf reader and Google Toolbar >> (Is Google Toolbar a known problem? I actually use that) >> I keep the Temp Internet Files quota low. >> Last occurrence was on a newly loaded system, though I have run >> defraggers on others with no change in behavior. >> >> I often have 10 IE's running. I suspect that this problem occurs >> somewhere in the code that they share (given that all IE's have to be >> closed to correct it). Hi again, PA Bear. Did all the steps above and still the same problem. It sometimes takes 10 seconds for the hourglass to go away when saving a 'favorite' link. I didn't think that any of the above would change anything, as this has occurred on systems with various combinations of configs, and with newly loaded systems. Is there any way to cache the favorites folder entries and let them save in the background? I'll keep GoogleToolbar etc unloaded til I hear back.
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 Re: LONG delay when saving a shortcut with IE _DD wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:32:55 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Please do #3 through #8, DD. (Yes, that means uninstalling Google >> Toolbar, >> at least for now.) >> >> _DD wrote: >>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:46:03 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" >>> <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thread history: >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/browse_frm/thread/bcb460d6745ee74d/5a2adef516fafdc8 >>>> >>>> _DD wrote: >>>>>>> ...Does IE 7 fix a known problem with this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Not that I know of and that's not why I asked anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you referring to adding a bookmark to your Favorites, DD, or >>>>>> creating >>>>>> & >>>>>> saving a literal (webpage) shortcut to, e.g., the desktop? >>>>>> >>>>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What >>>>>> anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party >>>>>> firewall >>>>>> (if any)? >>>>> >>>>> I was talking about saving bookmarks to Favorites. It's kind of a >>>>> binary thing in that normally they save very quickly, but after >>>>> multiple IE windows have been open for a while, there is a sudden >>>>> dramatic slowdown. Both IE and the file system lock while something is >>>>> going on in the background with the bookmark save. Once the problem >>>>> starts, it does not stop until -all- IE windows are closed. >>>>> >>>>> This has happened on a lot of machines, with and without anti-virus, >>>>> etc. I just noticed it on a new machine w no anti-virus or 3rd party >>>>> firewall running on it yet. I have usually used NOD32, but I doubt >>>>> that this is related to anything except IE or some file system quirk. >>>> >>>> 1. Change your "Days to save History" setting to no more than five (5) >>>> days, if set higher (e.g., 365 days). >>>> >>>> 2a. If a Norton application had been installed at some point but is now >>>> uninstalled, download/run this removal tool: >>>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039 >>>> >>>> 2b. If a McAfee application had been installed at some point but is now >>>> uninstalled, download/run this removal tool: >>>> http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=107083&lc=4105&partner=McAfee&type=TS&ia=1 >>>> >>>> 3. Uninstall any/all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; MSN; >>>> Windows Live; Skype; Roboform) via Add/Remove Programs. >>>> >>>> 4. Disable any unnecessary Add-ons remaining via IE Tools | Manage >>>> Add-ons. >>>> >>>> 5. Delete Temporary Internet Files via IE Tools | Internet Options | >>>> General >>>>> Temporary Internet Files, accepting the option to delete all offline >>>>> content. >>>> >>>> 6. Run Disk Cleanup. >>>> >>>> 7.Run Disk Defragmenter. >>>> >>>> 8. Test the behavior now. If and when you experience the same >>>> behavior, >>>> tell me how many IE windows were open at the time. >>> >>> Hi PA Bear, >>> >>> Days to save was already set at 6. I've decreased it to 4. >>> No Norton, No McAfee (I avoid both) >>> The only addons are Adobe pdf reader and Google Toolbar >>> (Is Google Toolbar a known problem? I actually use that) >>> I keep the Temp Internet Files quota low. >>> Last occurrence was on a newly loaded system, though I have run >>> defraggers on others with no change in behavior. >>> >>> I often have 10 IE's running. I suspect that this problem occurs >>> somewhere in the code that they share (given that all IE's have to be >>> closed to correct it). > > Hi again, PA Bear. > > Did all the steps above and still the same problem. It sometimes takes > 10 seconds for the hourglass to go away when saving a 'favorite' link. > > I didn't think that any of the above would change anything, as this > has occurred on systems with various combinations of configs, and with > newly loaded systems. > > Is there any way to cache the favorites folder entries and let them > save in the background? > > I'll keep GoogleToolbar etc unloaded til I hear back. I have nothing left to suggest, DD. What your seeing is quite unusual behavior IMHO but I have no idea what's causing it.
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