Return to 98

June 15, 2008

Greetings to the group from a new lurker here. Recently I acquired a

laptop about 10 years old and the recovery disk with it installs good

old 98 first edition. I have been a little startled at how slick 98 is.

Of course the machine is designed for it with a 336 Mhz Celeron and 128

Mbyte RAM. I have been using it steadily for about a week now and it

hasn't crashed, blown up, locked up or BSOD'ed on me once. In fact, so

far it's as smooth and slick and steady as XP. I used 98 SE in its

heyday but I am still impressed at how good it actually is.

I have a couple of questions the knowledgeable folk here might be able

to help me with. Is there a reasonably competent antivirus that is

comfortable on 98, doesn't take up too much in the way of system

resources, and is still updated?

Secondly, there is one lonely USB port on the back of the laptop, but

all it seems able to do is accept an external keyboard or mouse. The

computer doesn't like my flash drive, and it would be really good to

have it work for file transfers, etc. I think I need some sort of USB

driver for it to do that, but I have looked on the Internet and the

whole matter is getting confusing. If it can work with a keyboard or

mouse, why can't it work with a flash drive? Is there an installer that

will put that all in place for me, or is it a lost cause?

Lastly, and thank you for your patience if you are still reading, the

recovery disk installs 98 first edition. How great are the advantages of

upgrading to the second edition? I have an se CD, but it's all going so

well at the moment I am reluctant to make the change without a clear

advantage.

Thanks for reading through all this. And thanks for any thoughts anyone

can offer to help me get up to speed with good old 98 once again.

--

Peter in New Zealand.

Collector of old stamps, compulsive computer fiddler, musician, and good

coffee fanatic.

(Email address is fake and messages will bounce!)

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

| Greetings to the group from a new lurker here. Recently I acquired a

| laptop about 10 years old and the recovery disk with it installs good

| old 98 first edition. I have been a little startled at how slick 98

| is. Of course the machine is designed for it with a 336 Mhz Celeron

| and 128 Mbyte RAM. I have been using it steadily for about a week now

| and it hasn't crashed, blown up, locked up or BSOD'ed on me once. In

| fact, so far it's as smooth and slick and steady as XP. I used 98 SE

| in its heyday but I am still impressed at how good it actually is.

|

| I have a couple of questions the knowledgeable folk here might be able

| to help me with. Is there a reasonably competent antivirus that is

| comfortable on 98, doesn't take up too much in the way of system

| resources, and is still updated?

There might be others, but the one I use now is...

http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

It might take some clicking from there to get to the actual download.

The Home Edition is free, &, despite a few peccadilloes, does all you

ask.

| Secondly, there is one lonely USB port on the back of the laptop, but

| all it seems able to do is accept an external keyboard or mouse. The

| computer doesn't like my flash drive, and it would be really good to

| have it work for file transfers, etc. I think I need some sort of USB

| driver for it to do that, but I have looked on the Internet and the

| whole matter is getting confusing. If it can work with a keyboard or

| mouse, why can't it work with a flash drive? Is there an installer

| that will put that all in place for me, or is it a lost cause?

State precisely which flash drive it is, & someone will Google for the

drives. Or, go to the site of the manufacturer to see. If the machine

has a USB port, it must have USB drivers, but you may need to update

them too to Win98SE strength. Someone will surely drop in to explain

more fully. If not, I'll go Googling for the info tomorrow maybe. But

definitely some flash drives do work on Win98 (SE, at least)-- I've seen

it!

| Lastly, and thank you for your patience if you are still reading, the

| recovery disk installs 98 first edition. How great are the advantages

| of upgrading to the second edition? I have an se CD, but it's all

| going so well at the moment I am reluctant to make the change without

| a clear advantage.

Well, if you can get back to where you are now-- definitely try it! It

may be the solution to the flash drive! I've never heard of an upgrade

to SE being problematic!

Before or afterwards, you should make a full system backup of your

Win98. Get something for that. Here is a list I compiled a while ago.

Not sure these links are still functioning. The one I use is BootIt NG;

others have sworn by TrueImage & MyOwnBackup (MOB) & even Yabumoto's

XXCopy...

http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy

http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage

http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver

http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup

http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup

capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to

HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without

data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.

http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup

http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)

http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial)

http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)

http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/

http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info

http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a $20

yearly charge now.

http://www.pcinspector.de/clone-maxx/uk/welcome.htm PC Inspector

http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic

http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager

http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Files Manager & other stuff

http://www.stompsoft.com/pc-backup/pc-backup.html?SourceID=BUMP_301

http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery

http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander

http://www.xxcopy.com/ Yabumoto's Detailed Procedure Copy (Free)

http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)

| Thanks for reading through all this. And thanks for any thoughts

| anyone can offer to help me get up to speed with good old 98 once

| again.

You are welcome-- & welcome back to Win98! (I always said they would

return from XP/Vista as soon as their purple, XP-irradiated earlobes

fell onto their toes!)

|

| --

| Peter in New Zealand.

| Collector of old stamps, compulsive computer fiddler, musician, and

| good coffee fanatic.

| (Email address is fake and messages will bounce!)

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

I'd say go for the W98SE first and foremost (you can, if you want, make a

backup first, of course).

Once that is done:

There is a Universal Generic USB mass storage driver for W98 (or W98SE) like

"nusb24e.exe", which you can find if you Google for it, and which allows you

to use some of the flash drives.

FWIW, I'm still using an older version of AVG (like 7.0 or 7.5) You may

want something newer, but I'm happy with it.

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

> Greetings to the group from a new lurker here. Recently I acquired a

> laptop about 10 years old and the recovery disk with it installs good

> old 98 first edition. I have been a little startled at how slick 98 is.

> Of course the machine is designed for it with a 336 Mhz Celeron and 128

> Mbyte RAM. I have been using it steadily for about a week now and it

> hasn't crashed, blown up, locked up or BSOD'ed on me once. In fact, so

> far it's as smooth and slick and steady as XP. I used 98 SE in its

> heyday but I am still impressed at how good it actually is.

>

> I have a couple of questions the knowledgeable folk here might be able

> to help me with. Is there a reasonably competent antivirus that is

> comfortable on 98, doesn't take up too much in the way of system

> resources, and is still updated?

>

> Secondly, there is one lonely USB port on the back of the laptop, but

> all it seems able to do is accept an external keyboard or mouse. The

> computer doesn't like my flash drive, and it would be really good to

> have it work for file transfers, etc. I think I need some sort of USB

> driver for it to do that, but I have looked on the Internet and the

> whole matter is getting confusing. If it can work with a keyboard or

> mouse, why can't it work with a flash drive? Is there an installer that

> will put that all in place for me, or is it a lost cause?

>

> Lastly, and thank you for your patience if you are still reading, the

> recovery disk installs 98 first edition. How great are the advantages of

> upgrading to the second edition? I have an se CD, but it's all going so

> well at the moment I am reluctant to make the change without a clear

> advantage.

>

> Thanks for reading through all this. And thanks for any thoughts anyone

> can offer to help me get up to speed with good old 98 once again.

>

> --

> Peter in New Zealand.

> Collector of old stamps, compulsive computer fiddler, musician, and good

> coffee fanatic.

> (Email address is fake and messages will bounce!)

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

news:1213502708.179017@ftpsrv1...

> Greetings to the group from a new lurker here. Recently I acquired a

> laptop about 10 years old and the recovery disk with it installs good old

> 98 first edition. I have been a little startled at how slick 98 is. Of

> course the machine is designed for it with a 336 Mhz Celeron and 128 Mbyte

> RAM. I have been using it steadily for about a week now and it hasn't

> crashed, blown up, locked up or BSOD'ed on me once. In fact, so far it's

> as smooth and slick and steady as XP. I used 98 SE in its heyday but I am

> still impressed at how good it actually is.

>

> I have a couple of questions the knowledgeable folk here might be able to

> help me with. Is there a reasonably competent antivirus that is

> comfortable on 98, doesn't take up too much in the way of system

> resources, and is still updated?

Avast! antivirus. http://www.avast.com There's even a free version with yearly

"registration". It's biggest drawback is that it shouts at you when it has

successfully updated.

> Secondly, there is one lonely USB port on the back of the laptop, but all

> it seems able to do is accept an external keyboard or mouse. The computer

> doesn't like my flash drive, and it would be really good to have it work

> for file transfers, etc. I think I need some sort of USB driver for it to

> do that, but I have looked on the Internet and the whole matter is getting

> confusing. If it can work with a keyboard or mouse, why can't it work with

> a flash drive? Is there an installer that will put that all in place for

> me, or is it a lost cause?

Someones will come along with some links for the drivers that might work for

you, but I don't go there. Good luck. What you're lookig for are "generic

USB Mass Storage Drivers". But it looks like a minefield out there. I'd wait

for someone to come along with known-good links.

> Lastly, and thank you for your patience if you are still reading, the

> recovery disk installs 98 first edition. How great are the advantages of

> upgrading to the second edition? I have an se CD, but it's all going so

> well at the moment I am reluctant to make the change without a clear

> advantage.

Your USB problem would probably disappear with Win98 SE. But don't think of

Upgrading. If you're going to use 98SE, reformat and start over -- or dual

boot, whatever.

> Thanks for reading through all this. And thanks for any thoughts anyone

> can offer to help me get up to speed with good old 98 once again.

I happen to think Win9x systems are too limited in their abilities and it

can't possibly do the work I need done. And that even Avast! (and whatever

real-time protection AVs are still out there for 9x) will eventually stop

supporting them, also. The availability of other anti-malware apps that will

even run on Win9x is also steadily dwindling, while IE in 9x hasn't been

patched in two years and can't be upgraded or gotten rid of without turning

the OS into something else entirely.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to perhaps

provide more informative answers.

Depending upon the abilities of that computer, SE would include: additional

USB support [2.0]; better AGP support; slightly better memory management;

better DirectX support; several system and tool tweaks; and some other

goodies. Also, depending upon the intended use, most programs were either

written for 98SE or were updated to require it. It would be reasonable to

say that SE presently has the largest amount of software written for it

available on the Internet. Provide some information on that intended use and

we might be better able to answer this as well

AVAST seems to be one of the most used Anti-Virus programs in this group,

and still has 98 support:

"System Requirements - avast! Home Edition

Please note: hardware configurations described below represent the minimum

recommended system specification for that operating system.

For a computer running Windows® 95/98/Me:

486 Processor, 32MB RAM and 50MB of free hard disk space."

http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

And one of the older firewalls like Kerio PWF, Sygate, or potentially ZA,

with SpyWare Blaster, would also be needed for Internet use.

Your issue though, will be the 128 megs of memory. That's not really much

to work with, unless its just to used locally to have fun with... if its

never going to hit the Internet or be connected to a network that does, then

the extra firewall, Anti-Virus, and other would not be needed. Just connect

it to one of your other computers, image the disk when you get what you want

installed, and use that should it get *weird*.

--

MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

news:1213502708.179017@ftpsrv1...

| Greetings to the group from a new lurker here. Recently I acquired a

| laptop about 10 years old and the recovery disk with it installs good

| old 98 first edition. I have been a little startled at how slick 98 is.

| Of course the machine is designed for it with a 336 Mhz Celeron and 128

| Mbyte RAM. I have been using it steadily for about a week now and it

| hasn't crashed, blown up, locked up or BSOD'ed on me once. In fact, so

| far it's as smooth and slick and steady as XP. I used 98 SE in its

| heyday but I am still impressed at how good it actually is.

|

| I have a couple of questions the knowledgeable folk here might be able

| to help me with. Is there a reasonably competent antivirus that is

| comfortable on 98, doesn't take up too much in the way of system

| resources, and is still updated?

|

| Secondly, there is one lonely USB port on the back of the laptop, but

| all it seems able to do is accept an external keyboard or mouse. The

| computer doesn't like my flash drive, and it would be really good to

| have it work for file transfers, etc. I think I need some sort of USB

| driver for it to do that, but I have looked on the Internet and the

| whole matter is getting confusing. If it can work with a keyboard or

| mouse, why can't it work with a flash drive? Is there an installer that

| will put that all in place for me, or is it a lost cause?

|

| Lastly, and thank you for your patience if you are still reading, the

| recovery disk installs 98 first edition. How great are the advantages of

| upgrading to the second edition? I have an se CD, but it's all going so

| well at the moment I am reluctant to make the change without a clear

| advantage.

|

| Thanks for reading through all this. And thanks for any thoughts anyone

| can offer to help me get up to speed with good old 98 once again.

|

| --

| Peter in New Zealand.

| Collector of old stamps, compulsive computer fiddler, musician, and good

| coffee fanatic.

| (Email address is fake and messages will bounce!)

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

> news:1213502708.179017@ftpsrv1...

>> Greetings to the group from a new lurker here. Recently I acquired a

>> laptop about 10 years old and the recovery disk with it installs good old

>> 98 first edition. I have been a little startled at how slick 98 is. Of

>> course the machine is designed for it with a 336 Mhz Celeron and 128

>> Mbyte

>> RAM. I have been using it steadily for about a week now and it hasn't

>> crashed, blown up, locked up or BSOD'ed on me once. In fact, so far it's

>> as smooth and slick and steady as XP. I used 98 SE in its heyday but I am

>> still impressed at how good it actually is.

>>

>> I have a couple of questions the knowledgeable folk here might be able to

>> help me with. Is there a reasonably competent antivirus that is

>> comfortable on 98, doesn't take up too much in the way of system

>> resources, and is still updated?

>

> Avast! antivirus. http://www.avast.com There's even a free version with yearly

> "registration". It's biggest drawback is that it shouts at you when it has

> successfully updated.

>

>> Secondly, there is one lonely USB port on the back of the laptop, but all

>> it seems able to do is accept an external keyboard or mouse. The computer

>> doesn't like my flash drive, and it would be really good to have it work

>> for file transfers, etc. I think I need some sort of USB driver for it to

>> do that, but I have looked on the Internet and the whole matter is

>> getting

>> confusing. If it can work with a keyboard or mouse, why can't it work

>> with

>> a flash drive? Is there an installer that will put that all in place for

>> me, or is it a lost cause?

>

> Someones will come along with some links for the drivers that might work

> for

> you, but I don't go there. Good luck. What you're lookig for are "generic

> USB Mass Storage Drivers". But it looks like a minefield out there. I'd

> wait

> for someone to come along with known-good links.

Already mentioned. And it's pretty well known, too, and itt worked great

over here (and it was NEEDED, to recognize a USB flash drive that didn't

have W98 drivers)

>> Lastly, and thank you for your patience if you are still reading, the

>> recovery disk installs 98 first edition. How great are the advantages of

>> upgrading to the second edition? I have an se CD, but it's all going so

>> well at the moment I am reluctant to make the change without a clear

>> advantage.

>

> Your USB problem would probably disappear with Win98 SE.

Not likely, IF you're talking about the *flash drives*, UNLESS it has a

driver included.

(BTDT).

> But don't think of

> Upgrading. If you're going to use 98SE, reformat and start over -- or dual

> boot, whatever.

I'd respectfully differ on that one. Sure, it's BETTER to do a clean

install, however. But what a PIA. :-)

>> Thanks for reading through all this. And thanks for any thoughts anyone

>> can offer to help me get up to speed with good old 98 once again.

>

> I happen to think Win9x systems are too limited in their abilities and it

> can't possibly do the work I need done. And that even Avast! (and whatever

> real-time protection AVs are still out there for 9x) will eventually stop

> supporting them, also. The availability of other anti-malware apps that

> will

> even run on Win9x is also steadily dwindling, while IE in 9x hasn't been

> patched in two years and can't be upgraded or gotten rid of without

> turning

> the OS into something else entirely.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:unzBmcqzIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

>> news:1213502708.179017@ftpsrv1...

>>> Greetings to the group from a new lurker here. Recently I acquired a

>>> laptop about 10 years old and the recovery disk with it installs good

>>> old

>>> 98 first edition. I have been a little startled at how slick 98 is. Of

>>> course the machine is designed for it with a 336 Mhz Celeron and 128

>>> Mbyte

>>> RAM. I have been using it steadily for about a week now and it hasn't

>>> crashed, blown up, locked up or BSOD'ed on me once. In fact, so far it's

>>> as smooth and slick and steady as XP. I used 98 SE in its heyday but I

>>> am

>>> still impressed at how good it actually is.

>>>

>>> I have a couple of questions the knowledgeable folk here might be able

>>> to

>>> help me with. Is there a reasonably competent antivirus that is

>>> comfortable on 98, doesn't take up too much in the way of system

>>> resources, and is still updated?

>>

>> Avast! antivirus. http://www.avast.com There's even a free version with yearly

>> "registration". It's biggest drawback is that it shouts at you when it

>> has

>> successfully updated.

>>

>>> Secondly, there is one lonely USB port on the back of the laptop, but

>>> all

>>> it seems able to do is accept an external keyboard or mouse. The

>>> computer

>>> doesn't like my flash drive, and it would be really good to have it work

>>> for file transfers, etc. I think I need some sort of USB driver for it

>>> to

>>> do that, but I have looked on the Internet and the whole matter is

>>> getting

>>> confusing. If it can work with a keyboard or mouse, why can't it work

>>> with

>>> a flash drive? Is there an installer that will put that all in place for

>>> me, or is it a lost cause?

>>

>> Someones will come along with some links for the drivers that might work

>> for

>> you, but I don't go there. Good luck. What you're lookig for are "generic

>> USB Mass Storage Drivers". But it looks like a minefield out there. I'd

>> wait

>> for someone to come along with known-good links.

>

> Already mentioned. And it's pretty well known, too, and itt worked

> great over here (and it was NEEDED, to recognize a USB flash drive that

> didn't have W98 drivers)

Already mentioned... 2 minutes before mine posted? Is that what you're

talking about?

>>> Lastly, and thank you for your patience if you are still reading, the

>>> recovery disk installs 98 first edition. How great are the advantages of

>>> upgrading to the second edition? I have an se CD, but it's all going so

>>> well at the moment I am reluctant to make the change without a clear

>>> advantage.

>>

>> Your USB problem would probably disappear with Win98 SE.

>

> Not likely, IF you're talking about the *flash drives*, UNLESS it has a

> driver included.

> (BTDT).

I should have been clearer in what I meant, that if he installed SE it would

make the possibility of getting the flash drive(s) to work, the possibility

of finding said driversd, or even working under the generic drivers, a LOT

more likely. The possibilities under Win98FE are slim to none.

>

>> But don't think of

>> Upgrading. If you're going to use 98SE, reformat and start over -- or

>> dual

>> boot, whatever.

>

> I'd respectfully differ on that one. Sure, it's BETTER to do a clean

> install, however. But what a PIA. :-)

So you're the kind who chooses the HIGH PROBABILITY of having any number of

minor or major problems, certain DLL Hell, and continuing nuisances that you

never get figured out rather than do a little extra work? OK, I'll remember

that, <s>. Then again, you're the guy who deliberately introduces DLL Hell

to his system by doing things like replacing principle IE6 files with IE5

versions just to get rid of a minor nuisance, so you're being consistent, at

least.

Having done a number of 98 > 98SE Upgrades in place, and seen the results of

many, many more, (and heard about the results of hundreds or thousands more,

right in this NG), I think it's downright stupid to upgrade in place without

an *overriding* reason. Especially when it's over a proprietary system that

uses Restore discs. Besides, in this case, there's nothing to preserve. He

started out describing a fresh installation.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:unzBmcqzIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

>>> news:1213502708.179017@ftpsrv1...

>>>> Greetings to the group from a new lurker here. Recently I acquired a

>>>> laptop about 10 years old and the recovery disk with it installs good

>>>> old

>>>> 98 first edition. I have been a little startled at how slick 98 is. Of

>>>> course the machine is designed for it with a 336 Mhz Celeron and 128

>>>> Mbyte

>>>> RAM. I have been using it steadily for about a week now and it hasn't

>>>> crashed, blown up, locked up or BSOD'ed on me once. In fact, so far

>>>> it's

>>>> as smooth and slick and steady as XP. I used 98 SE in its heyday but I

>>>> am still impressed at how good it actually is.

>>>>

>>>> I have a couple of questions the knowledgeable folk here might be able

>>>> to help me with. Is there a reasonably competent antivirus that is

>>>> comfortable on 98, doesn't take up too much in the way of system

>>>> resources, and is still updated?

>>>

>>> Avast! antivirus. http://www.avast.com There's even a free version with yearly

>>> "registration". It's biggest drawback is that it shouts at you when it

>>> has successfully updated.

>>>

>>>> Secondly, there is one lonely USB port on the back of the laptop, but

>>>> all it seems able to do is accept an external keyboard or mouse. The

>>>> computer

>>>> doesn't like my flash drive, and it would be really good to have it

>>>> work

>>>> for file transfers, etc. I think I need some sort of USB driver for it

>>>> to

>>>> do that, but I have looked on the Internet and the whole matter is

>>>> getting

>>>> confusing. If it can work with a keyboard or mouse, why can't it work

>>>> with a flash drive? Is there an installer that will put that all in

>>>> place for

>>>> me, or is it a lost cause?

>>>

>>> Someones will come along with some links for the drivers that might work

>>> for you, but I don't go there. Good luck. What you're lookig for are

>>> "generic

>>> USB Mass Storage Drivers". But it looks like a minefield out there. I'd

>>> wait for someone to come along with known-good links.

>>

>> Already mentioned. And it's pretty well known, too, and it worked

>> great over here (and it was NEEDED, to recognize a USB flash drive that

>> didn't have W98 drivers)

>

> Already mentioned... 2 minutes before mine posted? Is that what you're

> talking about?

What I was saying is that there IS a Universal USB Mass Storage Driver

available for Win98SE that works with these Flash Drives (or at least some

of them).

>>>> Lastly, and thank you for your patience if you are still reading, the

>>>> recovery disk installs 98 first edition. How great are the advantages

>>>> of

>>>> upgrading to the second edition? I have an se CD, but it's all going so

>>>> well at the moment I am reluctant to make the change without a clear

>>>> advantage.

>>>

>>> Your USB problem would probably disappear with Win98 SE.

>>

>> Not likely, IF you're talking about the *flash drives*, UNLESS it has a

>> driver included. (BTDT).

>

> I should have been clearer in what I meant, that if he installed SE it

> would

> make the possibility of getting the flash drive(s) to work, the

> possibility

> of finding said driversd, or even working under the generic drivers, a LOT

> more likely. The possibilities under Win98FE are slim to none.

Yup. That's why he needs to FIRST upgrade to Win98SE.

He also should consider upgrading his RAM to 256K while he is at it.

>>> But don't think of

>>> Upgrading. If you're going to use 98SE, reformat and start over -- or

>>> dual boot, whatever.

>>

>> I'd respectfully differ on that one. Sure, it's BETTER to do a clean

>> install, however. But what a PIA. :-)

>

> So you're the kind who chooses the HIGH PROBABILITY of having any number

> of

> minor or major problems, certain DLL Hell, and continuing nuisances that

> you

> never get figured out rather than do a little extra work? OK, I'll

> remember

> that, <s>. Then again, you're the guy who deliberately introduces DLL Hell

> to his system by doing things like replacing principle IE6 files with IE5

> versions just to get rid of a minor nuisance, so you're being consistent,

> at least.

NOT a minor nuisance for me. :-)

And it wasn't DLL hell, nor DLL Purgatory. Instead, it brought Peace over

here. :-)

> Having done a number of 98 > 98SE Upgrades in place, and seen the results

> of

> many, many more, (and heard about the results of hundreds or thousands

> more,

> right in this NG), I think it's downright stupid to upgrade in place

> without

> an *overriding* reason. Especially when it's over a proprietary system

> that

> uses Restore discs. Besides, in this case, there's nothing to preserve. He

> started out describing a fresh installation.

Well, if he's got nothing to preserve, it's a no-brainer - do the clean

install. Right.

OTOH, if he had a reasonably clean, error-free system (meaning,

NON-problematic), and tons of applications installed and customized to his

liking, I'd say go for the Upgrade. And IF (and only if) that didn't work

out so well, then go for the clean install.

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:u4YFgBszIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:unzBmcqzIHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

>>>> news:1213502708.179017@ftpsrv1...

>>>>> Greetings to the group from a new lurker here. Recently I acquired a

>>>>> laptop about 10 years old and the recovery disk with it installs good

>>>>> old

>>>>> 98 first edition. I have been a little startled at how slick 98 is. Of

>>>>> course the machine is designed for it with a 336 Mhz Celeron and 128

>>>>> Mbyte

>>>>> RAM. I have been using it steadily for about a week now and it hasn't

>>>>> crashed, blown up, locked up or BSOD'ed on me once. In fact, so far

>>>>> it's

>>>>> as smooth and slick and steady as XP. I used 98 SE in its heyday but I

>>>>> am still impressed at how good it actually is.

>>>>>

>>>>> I have a couple of questions the knowledgeable folk here might be able

>>>>> to help me with. Is there a reasonably competent antivirus that is

>>>>> comfortable on 98, doesn't take up too much in the way of system

>>>>> resources, and is still updated?

>>>>

>>>> Avast! antivirus. http://www.avast.com There's even a free version with yearly

>>>> "registration". It's biggest drawback is that it shouts at you when it

>>>> has successfully updated.

>>>>

>>>>> Secondly, there is one lonely USB port on the back of the laptop, but

>>>>> all it seems able to do is accept an external keyboard or mouse. The

>>>>> computer

>>>>> doesn't like my flash drive, and it would be really good to have it

>>>>> work

>>>>> for file transfers, etc. I think I need some sort of USB driver for it

>>>>> to

>>>>> do that, but I have looked on the Internet and the whole matter is

>>>>> getting

>>>>> confusing. If it can work with a keyboard or mouse, why can't it work

>>>>> with a flash drive? Is there an installer that will put that all in

>>>>> place for

>>>>> me, or is it a lost cause?

>>>>

>>>> Someones will come along with some links for the drivers that might

>>>> work

>>>> for you, but I don't go there. Good luck. What you're lookig for are

>>>> "generic

>>>> USB Mass Storage Drivers". But it looks like a minefield out there. I'd

>>>> wait for someone to come along with known-good links.

>>>

>>> Already mentioned. And it's pretty well known, too, and it worked

>>> great over here (and it was NEEDED, to recognize a USB flash drive that

>>> didn't have W98 drivers)

>>

>> Already mentioned... 2 minutes before mine posted? Is that what you're

>> talking about?

>

> What I was saying is that there IS a Universal USB Mass Storage Driver

> available for Win98SE that works with these Flash Drives (or at least some

> of them).

OK, I got your meaning... I think.

>>>>> Lastly, and thank you for your patience if you are still reading, the

>>>>> recovery disk installs 98 first edition. How great are the advantages

>>>>> of

>>>>> upgrading to the second edition? I have an se CD, but it's all going

>>>>> so

>>>>> well at the moment I am reluctant to make the change without a clear

>>>>> advantage.

>>>>

>>>> Your USB problem would probably disappear with Win98 SE.

>>>

>>> Not likely, IF you're talking about the *flash drives*, UNLESS it has a

>>> driver included. (BTDT).

>>

>> I should have been clearer in what I meant, that if he installed SE it

>> would

>> make the possibility of getting the flash drive(s) to work, the

>> possibility

>> of finding said driversd, or even working under the generic drivers, a

>> LOT

>> more likely. The possibilities under Win98FE are slim to none.

>

> Yup. That's why he needs to FIRST upgrade to Win98SE.

> He also should consider upgrading his RAM to 256K while he is at it.

Now that you mention it, it's quite possible that the ONLY way to get

Win98SE installed on that laptop is to use the Restore Disks to install 98

and then upgrade in place to 98SE. Depends on the make & model and what

drivers may or may not be available. As for RAM, again it's a question of

make/model, and I'm betting that machine is maxed out. Just a friendly bet,

<s>.

>>>> But don't think of

>>>> Upgrading. If you're going to use 98SE, reformat and start over -- or

>>>> dual boot, whatever.

>>>

>>> I'd respectfully differ on that one. Sure, it's BETTER to do a clean

>>> install, however. But what a PIA. :-)

>>

>> So you're the kind who chooses the HIGH PROBABILITY of having any number

>> of

>> minor or major problems, certain DLL Hell, and continuing nuisances that

>> you

>> never get figured out rather than do a little extra work? OK, I'll

>> remember

>> that, <s>. Then again, you're the guy who deliberately introduces DLL

>> Hell

>> to his system by doing things like replacing principle IE6 files with IE5

>> versions just to get rid of a minor nuisance, so you're being consistent,

>> at least.

>

> NOT a minor nuisance for me. :-)

> And it wasn't DLL hell, nor DLL Purgatory. Instead, it brought Peace

> over here. :-)

Yes, ignorance IS bliss!

>> Having done a number of 98 > 98SE Upgrades in place, and seen the results

>> of

>> many, many more, (and heard about the results of hundreds or thousands

>> more,

>> right in this NG), I think it's downright stupid to upgrade in place

>> without

>> an *overriding* reason. Especially when it's over a proprietary system

>> that

>> uses Restore discs. Besides, in this case, there's nothing to preserve.

>> He

>> started out describing a fresh installation.

>

> Well, if he's got nothing to preserve, it's a no-brainer - do the clean

> install. Right.

>

> OTOH, if he had a reasonably clean, error-free system (meaning,

> NON-problematic), and tons of applications installed and customized to his

> liking, I'd say go for the Upgrade. And IF (and only if) that didn't

> work out so well, then go for the clean install.

I'll have to disagree on that one. First on the supposition that there IS

any such Win98FE system as you describe, and, second, that even if there

were such a system, I KNOW that the odds that the result of an in-place

Upgrade to SE will live up to the presumably high standards of the person

who managed to set up such a system are next to nil.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

MEB wrote:

> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to perhaps

> provide more informative answers.

>

I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful

comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I

did that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That

didn't give me USB but finally locating the drivers on the

manufacturer's website did the trick on about the third try. Now I just

hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of these flash drive

manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the make and model on the

drive itself. The one I got success with is a Lexar. I have one other

with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about that one.

Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look of

it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you for

the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My desktop

is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on broadband. This

little laptop is on dialup until I can get a network PC card for it.

It's kind of a retro experience for me, and I have to say that at this

time the little machine is doing everything I want it to, and doing it,

on the whole, pretty well.

I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98

all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

> MEB wrote:

>> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to perhaps

>> provide more informative answers.

>>

> I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful

> comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I

> did that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That

> didn't give me USB but finally locating the drivers on the

> manufacturer's website did the trick on about the third try. Now I just

> hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of these flash drive

> manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the make and model on the

> drive itself. The one I got success with is a Lexar. I have one other

> with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about that one.

>

> Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look of

> it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you for

> the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My desktop

> is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on broadband. This

> little laptop is on dialup until I can get a network PC card for it.

> It's kind of a retro experience for me, and I have to say that at this

> time the little machine is doing everything I want it to, and doing it,

> on the whole, pretty well.

>

> I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98

> all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.

Oh, sorry, I forgot - the laptop is an Acer Travelmate 512DX. Cheers,

and thanks again for all the help.

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

news:1213526292.220104@ftpsrv1...

| Peter in New Zealand wrote:

| > MEB wrote:

| >> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to

perhaps

| >> provide more informative answers.

| >>

| > I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful

| > comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I

| > did that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That

| > didn't give me USB but finally locating the drivers on the

| > manufacturer's website did the trick on about the third try. Now I just

| > hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of these flash drive

| > manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the make and model on the

| > drive itself. The one I got success with is a Lexar. I have one other

| > with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about that one.

| >

| > Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look of

| > it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you for

| > the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My desktop

| > is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on broadband. This

| > little laptop is on dialup until I can get a network PC card for it.

| > It's kind of a retro experience for me, and I have to say that at this

| > time the little machine is doing everything I want it to, and doing it,

| > on the whole, pretty well.

| >

| > I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98

| > all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.

|

| Oh, sorry, I forgot - the laptop is an Acer Travelmate 512DX. Cheers,

| and thanks again for all the help.

|

| --

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

| compulsive computer fiddler.

Thanks, when you post again, remind us of the make and model. Here's some

specs for the group:

http://www.acersupport.com/notebook/html/tm512dx_specs.html

You have 128 meg, it supports 256 meg memory at 128 meg per slot. Pretty

cheap, and would make a big difference in the long run:

http://www.memory4less.com/m4l_results.asp?ref=mem&modelid=5990

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

| MEB wrote:

|> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to

|> perhaps provide more informative answers.

|>

| I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful

| comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I

| did that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That

| didn't give me USB but finally locating the drivers on the

| manufacturer's website did the trick on about the third try. Now I

| just hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of these flash drive

| manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the make and model on the

| drive itself. The one I got success with is a Lexar. I have one other

| with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about that one.

You are welcome. Glad to hear of your success! Usually, it is said a

fresh install from an MS Windows Installation CD (instead of using

manufacturer's restore CDs) is problematic because specialized drivers

may be necessary for a laptop. Glad you didn't run into it, except for

that USB device.

| Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look

| of it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you

| for the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My

| desktop is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on

| broadband. This little laptop is on dialup until I can get a network

| PC card for it. It's kind of a retro experience for me, and I have to

| say that at this time the little machine is doing everything I want

| it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty well.

Glad to hear it. Careful you don't carry that laptop too close to the

XP-machine: It may be swallowed BIOS & all-- & end up running in an

XP-virtual partition!

| I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98

| all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.

Glad to have a new/old Win98 user drop in!

| --

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

| and compulsive computer fiddler.

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

news:1213520568.470349@ftpsrv1...

> I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful comments. I

> finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I did that I decided to

> take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That didn't give me USB but finally

> locating the drivers on the manufacturer's website did the trick on about the

> third try. Now I just hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of these flash

> drive manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the make and model on the drive

> itself. The one I got success with is a Lexar. I have one other with no id on it

> at all, so I'll just forget about that one.

>

> Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look of it,

> although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you for the pointer.

> Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My desktop is running XP in a

> reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on broadband. This little laptop is on dialup

> until I can get a network PC card for it. It's kind of a retro experience for me,

> and I have to say that at this time the little machine is doing everything I want

> it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty well.

>

> I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98 all over

> again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.

If you decide you want to use more than just the Lexar flash drive (such as the

generic drive you currently can't use), install the so-called Native USB Mass

Storage Driver:

http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php

http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/win98se-usb-mass-storage-drivers.php

I suggest the version 2.x drivers for your older system with no USB 2.0 support:

http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb24e.exe

To install the version 2.x drivers:

Download the exe file to the desktop

Remove ALL drivers for USB flash drives in Device Manager

Remove ALL unknown devices from Device Manager

Run the exe file you downloaded, and follow the instructions, rebooting after

installation

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

http://dts-l.net/

http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

PCR wrote:

> Peter in New Zealand wrote:

> | MEB wrote:

> |> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to

> |> perhaps provide more informative answers.

> |>

> | I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful

> | comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I

> | did that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That

> | didn't give me USB but finally locating the drivers on the

> | manufacturer's website did the trick on about the third try. Now I

> | just hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of these flash drive

> | manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the make and model on the

> | drive itself. The one I got success with is a Lexar. I have one other

> | with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about that one.

>

> You are welcome. Glad to hear of your success! Usually, it is said a

> fresh install from an MS Windows Installation CD (instead of using

> manufacturer's restore CDs) is problematic because specialized drivers

> may be necessary for a laptop. Glad you didn't run into it, except for

> that USB device.

>

> | Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look

> | of it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you

> | for the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My

> | desktop is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on

> | broadband. This little laptop is on dialup until I can get a network

> | PC card for it. It's kind of a retro experience for me, and I have to

> | say that at this time the little machine is doing everything I want

> | it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty well.

>

> Glad to hear it. Careful you don't carry that laptop too close to the

> XP-machine: It may be swallowed BIOS & all-- & end up running in an

> XP-virtual partition!

>

> | I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98

> | all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.

>

> Glad to have a new/old Win98 user drop in!

>

> | --

> | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

> | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

> | and compulsive computer fiddler.

>

Fortunately the original recovery CD came with the laptop, although it

installs 98FE. So, after using my full license 98SE I can pick the

appropriate drivers off the recovery CD. I recently came across an

"unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is

http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is worthwhile

downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it is unsupported by

MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of the updates. Thanks again.

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

Thanks Glen. At least you found and posted the Generic USB Mass Storage

link.

But I'd suggest sticking with version 2.x, regardless, as it's less hassle

(if you read the fine print).

glee wrote:

> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

> news:1213520568.470349@ftpsrv1...

>> I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful

>> comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I did

>> that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That didn't

>> give

>> me USB but finally locating the drivers on the manufacturer's website did

>> the trick on about the third try. Now I just hope it keeps working

>> (grin). I

>> wish some of these flash drive manufacturers would be a bit clearer about

>> the make and model on the drive itself. The one I got success with is a

>> Lexar. I have one other with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget

>> about

>> that one. Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like

>> the look of it,

>> although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you for the

>> pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My desktop is

>> running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on broadband. This

>> little

>> laptop is on dialup until I can get a network PC card for it. It's kind

>> of a

>> retro experience for me, and I have to say that at this time the little

>> machine is doing everything I want it to, and doing it, on the whole,

>> pretty

>> well. I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know

>> 98 all

>> over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.

>

> If you decide you want to use more than just the Lexar flash drive (such

> as

> the generic drive you currently can't use), install the so-called Native

> USB

> Mass Storage Driver:

> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php

>

> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/win98se-usb-mass-storage-drivers.php

>

> I suggest the version 2.x drivers for your older system with no USB 2.0

> support: http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb24e.exe

>

> To install the version 2.x drivers:

> Download the exe file to the desktop

> Remove ALL drivers for USB flash drives in Device Manager

> Remove ALL unknown devices from Device Manager

> Run the exe file you downloaded, and follow the instructions, rebooting

> after

> installation

> --

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

> http://dts-l.net/

> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

As others have said, SE would be a better bet, as USB is far more functional.

On the "protection" front, I use three measures here and haven't had an issue in

years on the 'net with 98SE.

1. Don't use IE. Almost all the 98 vulnerabilities were IE. I use Firefox.

2. Run an anti-virus, but it doesn't need to be an intercative one if ....

3. Use a NAT router between yourself and the 'net.

June 15, 2008

Re: Return to 98

who where wrote:

>

> As others have said, SE would be a better bet, as USB is far more functional.

>

> On the "protection" front, I use three measures here and haven't had an issue in

> years on the 'net with 98SE.

>

> 1. Don't use IE. Almost all the 98 vulnerabilities were IE. I use Firefox.

>

> 2. Run an anti-virus, but it doesn't need to be an intercative one if ....

>

> 3. Use a NAT router between yourself and the 'net.

Thank you for those suggestions. I agree about using Firefox in

preference to IE. I use Avast!, but turn off all but the most basic

protection. Really, I haven't experienced a virus hit in so many years I

can't remember when it last happened to me. The only time I definitely

remember virus trouble was when I was silly enough to toss a friend's

floppy into my machine without bothering to scan first.

As soon as I can get a network PC card I will be on broadband through a

router with its own firewall, and so generally I think things are OK.

Except - you wouldn't believe it - USB stopped working again this

morning. Not a twinkle from the darn thing. Oh well, think I'll just

forget about it as my network card will enable me to link to my main

desktop machine anyway. You gotta laugh though. The Lexar site has a

driver for all their jump drives and it clearly states that it is

specifically for 98SE. But when you point the system at the folder with

the drivers in it the computer just doesn't see them.

Never mind - I can easily live without USB on this machine once the

network card is in. Thanks for the help and encouragement.

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

June 16, 2008

Re: Return to 98

> AVAST seems to be one of the most used Anti-Virus programs in this group,

> and still has 98 support:

> "System Requirements - avast! Home Edition

> Please note: hardware configurations described below represent the minimum

> recommended system specification for that operating system.

> For a computer running Windows® 95/98/Me:

> 486 Processor, 32MB RAM and 50MB of free hard disk space."

> http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

>

> And one of the older firewalls like Kerio PWF, Sygate, or potentially ZA,

> with SpyWare Blaster, would also be needed for Internet use.

>

> --

> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

>

You can find the old, free Sygate firewalls (5.5-2710 and 5.6-2808)

here:

http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=sygate

I have been using Sygate firewalls on my Win98(fe) for years

with excellent results.

Casey

June 16, 2008

Re: Return to 98

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:15:35 +1200, Peter in New Zealand

<peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote:

>who where wrote:

>>

>> As others have said, SE would be a better bet, as USB is far more functional.

>>

>> On the "protection" front, I use three measures here and haven't had an issue in

>> years on the 'net with 98SE.

>>

>> 1. Don't use IE. Almost all the 98 vulnerabilities were IE. I use Firefox.

>>

>> 2. Run an anti-virus, but it doesn't need to be an intercative one if ....

>>

>> 3. Use a NAT router between yourself and the 'net.

>

>Thank you for those suggestions. I agree about using Firefox in

>preference to IE. I use Avast!, but turn off all but the most basic

>protection. Really, I haven't experienced a virus hit in so many years I

>can't remember when it last happened to me. The only time I definitely

>remember virus trouble was when I was silly enough to toss a friend's

>floppy into my machine without bothering to scan first.

>

>As soon as I can get a network PC card I will be on broadband through a

>router with its own firewall, and so generally I think things are OK.

>Except - you wouldn't believe it - USB stopped working again this

>morning. Not a twinkle from the darn thing. Oh well, think I'll just

>forget about it as my network card will enable me to link to my main

>desktop machine anyway. You gotta laugh though. The Lexar site has a

>driver for all their jump drives and it clearly states that it is

>specifically for 98SE. But when you point the system at the folder with

>the drivers in it the computer just doesn't see them.

>

>Never mind - I can easily live without USB on this machine once the

>network card is in. Thanks for the help and encouragement.

If you put the USB stick into your XP system it will let you see the actual

manufacturer tag for the unit. I've found that is a handy way to get to the

right SE driver.

June 16, 2008

Re: Return to 98

>

> If you put the USB stick into your XP system it will let you see the actual

> manufacturer tag for the unit. I've found that is a handy way to get to the

> right SE driver.

Good thought - thanks. I'll do that when I get a moment.

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

June 16, 2008

Re: Return to 98

That's exactly what I wrote, Bill, if you read my entire reply.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Thanks Glen. At least you found and posted the Generic USB Mass Storage link.

> But I'd suggest sticking with version 2.x, regardless, as it's less hassle (if you

> read the fine print).

>

> glee wrote:

>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

>> news:1213520568.470349@ftpsrv1...

>>> I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful

>>> comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I did

>>> that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That didn't give

>>> me USB but finally locating the drivers on the manufacturer's website did the

>>> trick on about the third try. Now I just hope it keeps working (grin). I

>>> wish some of these flash drive manufacturers would be a bit clearer about

>>> the make and model on the drive itself. The one I got success with is a

>>> Lexar. I have one other with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about

>>> that one. Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look

>>> of it,

>>> although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you for the

>>> pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My desktop is

>>> running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on broadband. This little

>>> laptop is on dialup until I can get a network PC card for it. It's kind of a

>>> retro experience for me, and I have to say that at this time the little

>>> machine is doing everything I want it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty

>>> well. I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98 all

>>> over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.

>>

>> If you decide you want to use more than just the Lexar flash drive (such as

>> the generic drive you currently can't use), install the so-called Native USB

>> Mass Storage Driver:

>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php

>>

>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/win98se-usb-mass-storage-drivers.php

>>

>> I suggest the version 2.x drivers for your older system with no USB 2.0

>> support: http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb24e.exe

>>

>> To install the version 2.x drivers:

>> Download the exe file to the desktop

>> Remove ALL drivers for USB flash drives in Device Manager

>> Remove ALL unknown devices from Device Manager

>> Run the exe file you downloaded, and follow the instructions, rebooting after

>> installation

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

http://dts-l.net/

http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

June 16, 2008

Re: Return to 98

No, what I was getting at was I'd stick with ver 2.x for ANY system

whatsover. IOW, why even bother with the hassles of the 3.x versions for

ANY system?

glee wrote:

> That's exactly what I wrote, Bill, if you read my entire reply.

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:ucNCXdzzIHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Thanks Glen. At least you found and posted the Generic USB Mass Storage

>> link. But I'd suggest sticking with version 2.x, regardless, as it's less

>> hassle (if you read the fine print).

>>

>> glee wrote:

>>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

>>> news:1213520568.470349@ftpsrv1...

>>>> I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful

>>>> comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I

>>>> did

>>>> that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That didn't

>>>> give

>>>> me USB but finally locating the drivers on the manufacturer's website

>>>> did

>>>> the trick on about the third try. Now I just hope it keeps working

>>>> (grin).

>>>> I wish some of these flash drive manufacturers would be a bit clearer

>>>> about

>>>> the make and model on the drive itself. The one I got success with is a

>>>> Lexar. I have one other with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget

>>>> about

>>>> that one. Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like

>>>> the

>>>> look of it,

>>>> although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you for the

>>>> pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My desktop is

>>>> running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on broadband. This

>>>> little

>>>> laptop is on dialup until I can get a network PC card for it. It's kind

>>>> of

>>>> a retro experience for me, and I have to say that at this time the

>>>> little

>>>> machine is doing everything I want it to, and doing it, on the whole,

>>>> pretty well. I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting

>>>> to

>>>> know 98 all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful

>>>> responses.

>>>

>>> If you decide you want to use more than just the Lexar flash drive (such

>>> as

>>> the generic drive you currently can't use), install the so-called Native

>>> USB

>>> Mass Storage Driver:

>>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php

>>>

>>> http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/win98se-usb-mass-storage-drivers.php

>>>

>>> I suggest the version 2.x drivers for your older system with no USB 2.0

>>> support: http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb24e.exe

>>>

>>> To install the version 2.x drivers:

>>> Download the exe file to the desktop

>>> Remove ALL drivers for USB flash drives in Device Manager

>>> Remove ALL unknown devices from Device Manager

>>> Run the exe file you downloaded, and follow the instructions, rebooting

>>> after installation

>

> --

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

> http://dts-l.net/

> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

June 16, 2008

Re: Return to 98

I strongly recommend against it. Install IE6SP1 and then go to Windows

Updates and get what there is. You are just asking for trouble when you let

some amateur geek decide how to soup up your system.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

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> PCR wrote:

>> Peter in New Zealand wrote:

>> | MEB wrote:

>> |> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to

>> |> perhaps provide more informative answers.

>> |>

>> | I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful

>> | comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I

>> | did that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That

>> | didn't give me USB but finally locating the drivers on the

>> | manufacturer's website did the trick on about the third try. Now I

>> | just hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of these flash drive

>> | manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the make and model on the

>> | drive itself. The one I got success with is a Lexar. I have one other

>> | with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about that one.

>>

>> You are welcome. Glad to hear of your success! Usually, it is said a

>> fresh install from an MS Windows Installation CD (instead of using

>> manufacturer's restore CDs) is problematic because specialized drivers

>> may be necessary for a laptop. Glad you didn't run into it, except for

>> that USB device.

>>

>> | Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look

>> | of it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you

>> | for the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My

>> | desktop is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on

>> | broadband. This little laptop is on dialup until I can get a network

>> | PC card for it. It's kind of a retro experience for me, and I have to

>> | say that at this time the little machine is doing everything I want

>> | it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty well.

>>

>> Glad to hear it. Careful you don't carry that laptop too close to the

>> XP-machine: It may be swallowed BIOS & all-- & end up running in an

>> XP-virtual partition!

>>

>> | I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98

>> | all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.

>>

>> Glad to have a new/old Win98 user drop in!

>>

>> | --

>> | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

>> | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

>> | and compulsive computer fiddler.

>>

>

> Fortunately the original recovery CD came with the laptop, although it

> installs 98FE. So, after using my full license 98SE I can pick the

> appropriate drivers off the recovery CD. I recently came across an

> "unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is

> http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is worthwhile

> downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it is unsupported by

> MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of the updates. Thanks again.

> --

> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

> compulsive computer fiddler.

June 16, 2008

Re: Return to 98

As Gary suggested, Windows Update still works, and you need not install IE6

though you will be limited to only certain updates. It does take at least

IE5.1 to access, so if you were going to use the service, IE5.5 would be the

likely choice as that had the browser DLLs needed for proper file handling

within SE.

NOTE however, that many programs written after IE6 came out require IE6's

files to work properly. If you don't intend to use IE6{SP1}, then just block

its access to the network and Internet with your firewall.

The unofficial updates that you referred to were stopped at 11-2005 for the

2.1a version, and it installs some extra files and modifications you may not

want. The 3.03 version is beta.. it does install far more unofficially

modified files from MSFN members..

As with any unofficial updates, you may have problems either with the

system or applications after installing, though many don't. Do NOT try to

use these updaters in an already updated system, particularly if you have no

image to fall back on.

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

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"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

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| PCR wrote:

| > Peter in New Zealand wrote:

| > | MEB wrote:

| > |> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to

| > |> perhaps provide more informative answers.

| > |>

| > | I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such helpful

| > | comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle. But before I

| > | did that I decided to take the plunge and clean install 98SE. That

| > | didn't give me USB but finally locating the drivers on the

| > | manufacturer's website did the trick on about the third try. Now I

| > | just hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of these flash drive

| > | manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the make and model on the

| > | drive itself. The one I got success with is a Lexar. I have one other

| > | with no id on it at all, so I'll just forget about that one.

| >

| > You are welcome. Glad to hear of your success! Usually, it is said a

| > fresh install from an MS Windows Installation CD (instead of using

| > manufacturer's restore CDs) is problematic because specialized drivers

| > may be necessary for a laptop. Glad you didn't run into it, except for

| > that USB device.

| >

| > | Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the look

| > | of it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates. Thank you

| > | for the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated earlobes. My

| > | desktop is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box and is on

| > | broadband. This little laptop is on dialup until I can get a network

| > | PC card for it. It's kind of a retro experience for me, and I have to

| > | say that at this time the little machine is doing everything I want

| > | it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty well.

| >

| > Glad to hear it. Careful you don't carry that laptop too close to the

| > XP-machine: It may be swallowed BIOS & all-- & end up running in an

| > XP-virtual partition!

| >

| > | I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know 98

| > | all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful responses.

| >

| > Glad to have a new/old Win98 user drop in!

| >

| > | --

| > | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| > | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

| > | and compulsive computer fiddler.

| >

|

| Fortunately the original recovery CD came with the laptop, although it

| installs 98FE. So, after using my full license 98SE I can pick the

| appropriate drivers off the recovery CD. I recently came across an

| "unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is

| http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is worthwhile

| downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it is unsupported by

| MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of the updates. Thanks again.

| --

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

| compulsive computer fiddler.

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