Return to 98

June 16, 2008

Re: Return to 98

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

| PCR wrote:

|> Peter in New Zealand wrote:

|> | MEB wrote:

|> |> Hi, Peter, how about you tell us what make and model computer to

|> |> perhaps provide more informative answers.

|> |>

|> | I am really grateful to all you guys for weighing in with such

|> | helpful comments. I finally got USB working after a real tussle.

|> | But before I did that I decided to take the plunge and clean

|> | install 98SE. That didn't give me USB but finally locating the

|> | drivers on the manufacturer's website did the trick on about the

|> | third try. Now I just hope it keeps working (grin). I wish some of

|> | these flash drive manufacturers would be a bit clearer about the

|> | make and model on the drive itself. The one I got success with is

|> | a Lexar. I have one other with no id on it at all, so I'll just

|> | forget about that one.

|>

|> You are welcome. Glad to hear of your success! Usually, it is said a

|> fresh install from an MS Windows Installation CD (instead of using

|> manufacturer's restore CDs) is problematic because specialized

|> drivers may be necessary for a laptop. Glad you didn't run into it,

|> except for that USB device.

|>

|> | Anyway, that's OK. I downloaded and installed Avast and like the

|> | look of it, although it certainly lets you know when it updates.

|> | Thank you for the pointer. Enjoyed the comment about irradiated

|> | earlobes. My desktop is running XP in a reasonably hi spec'ed box

|> | and is on broadband. This little laptop is on dialup until I can

|> | get a network PC card for it. It's kind of a retro experience for

|> | me, and I have to say that at this time the little machine is

|> | doing everything I want it to, and doing it, on the whole, pretty

|> | well.

|>

|> Glad to hear it. Careful you don't carry that laptop too close to the

|> XP-machine: It may be swallowed BIOS & all-- & end up running in an

|> XP-virtual partition!

|>

|> | I look forward to lurking around here and enjoying getting to know

|> | 98 all over again. Thanks again for all the really helpful

|> | responses.

|>

|> Glad to have a new/old Win98 user drop in!

|>

|> | --

|> | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

|> | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee

|> | nutter, and compulsive computer fiddler.

|>

|

| Fortunately the original recovery CD came with the laptop, although it

| installs 98FE. So, after using my full license 98SE I can pick the

| appropriate drivers off the recovery CD.

You did well. My own Compaq QuickRestore CDs are unintelligible to human

eyes, but there is an option (I think) to run it for drivers only,

maybe. Very good, though!

| I recently came across an

| "unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is

| http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is worthwhile

| downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it is unsupported

| by MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of the updates. Thanks

| again.

I agree with Terhune & MEB-- don't go there! I believe I took a file/two

from them once-- & I couldn't boot well afterwards & had to undo it in

DOS!

--

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

| and compulsive computer fiddler.

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

June 17, 2008

Re: Return to 98

> | I recently came across an

> | "unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is

> | http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is worthwhile

> | downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it is unsupported

> | by MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of the updates. Thanks

> | again.

>

> I agree with Terhune & MEB-- don't go there! I believe I took a file/two

> from them once-- & I couldn't boot well afterwards & had to undo it in

> DOS!

>

> --

> | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

> | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

> | and compulsive computer fiddler.

>

Yes, I think your comment is a valid one. I have ordered a network PC

card for the laptop and when it arrives I'll be able to get it onto my

broadband connection. Then I'll see what patches, etc. are available

from Microsoft update. I assume that keep them available for download

even though there's no present day support. Appreciate your thoughts.

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

June 17, 2008

Re: Return to 98

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

|> | I recently came across an

|> | "unofficial" service pack for Win98. The web page address is

|> | http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html. Can I ask if this is

|> | worthwhile downloading and installing, or is it not? I realise it

|> | is unsupported by MS, but it would be an easy way to get some of

|> | the updates. Thanks again.

|>

|> I agree with Terhune & MEB-- don't go there! I believe I took a

|> file/two from them once-- & I couldn't boot well afterwards & had to

|> undo it in DOS!

|>

|> --

|> | Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

|> | Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee

|> | nutter, and compulsive computer fiddler.

|>

| Yes, I think your comment is a valid one. I have ordered a network PC

| card for the laptop and when it arrives I'll be able to get it onto my

| broadband connection. Then I'll see what patches, etc. are available

| from Microsoft update. I assume that keep them available for download

| even though there's no present day support. Appreciate your thoughts.

That is the best course, I think. They will be there at Windows Update.

It will detect the machine is Win98 & offer the right ones. It may not

offer the following. So get it separately afterwards...

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=19527

Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018

Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express (823353)

There may be some few others like that-- but I haven't fully explored my

IUHist.xml quite yet-- & I expect it will take six years to do so! That

is the file which records everything took from Windows Update.

| --

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

| and compulsive computer fiddler.

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

June 28, 2008

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

>>

>> If you put the USB stick into your XP system it will let you see the

>> actual

>> manufacturer tag for the unit. I've found that is a handy way to get

>> to the

>> right SE driver.

>

> Good thought - thanks. I'll do that when I get a moment.

>

Well, after all the great discussion and wonderful help I found here I

regret to announce I have ended up with W2K on the little laptop. It's a

little slower to get anything done than 98, but it gets it done every

time. And USB and the video and the power management and the sound and

the networking just work, straight off the W2K CD install. No need to

even pop the original drivers disk in. At the end of the day what I need

is a portable machine that will enable me to word process and

spreadsheet, and occasionally do email, for times when I am away from my

desk. With W2K it seems to do all that just fine, and everything just

works, first time and every time.

I'll stay a lurker here though, as I used 98 extensively when it was the

latest and greatest, and have a soft spot for it. But in the end the

essential quirkiness of 98 left me feel in that, while I had a machine

that ran smoothly, I could never trust that it would the next time

around. Maybe I'm just getting old and crabby about it, but I think 2000

and XP have spoiled me for the W9x line. When it slows down or locks up

on me I no longer thing, "Oh goody - another fun time untangling it!"

What I find myself thinking is a whole lot of highly technical words,

none of which are anything like memory, or CPU, or floppy, and so on. I

am sure you know what I mean. Thanks for the great discussion and

support and encouragement.

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

June 28, 2008

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Good luck, and when you get tired of that NT slowness and bloat, try a

Linux distro..

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MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

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"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

news:uDwmYQQ2IHA.5176@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| Peter in New Zealand wrote:

| >>

| >> If you put the USB stick into your XP system it will let you see the

| >> actual

| >> manufacturer tag for the unit. I've found that is a handy way to get

| >> to the

| >> right SE driver.

| >

| > Good thought - thanks. I'll do that when I get a moment.

| >

| Well, after all the great discussion and wonderful help I found here I

| regret to announce I have ended up with W2K on the little laptop. It's a

| little slower to get anything done than 98, but it gets it done every

| time. And USB and the video and the power management and the sound and

| the networking just work, straight off the W2K CD install. No need to

| even pop the original drivers disk in. At the end of the day what I need

| is a portable machine that will enable me to word process and

| spreadsheet, and occasionally do email, for times when I am away from my

| desk. With W2K it seems to do all that just fine, and everything just

| works, first time and every time.

|

| I'll stay a lurker here though, as I used 98 extensively when it was the

| latest and greatest, and have a soft spot for it. But in the end the

| essential quirkiness of 98 left me feel in that, while I had a machine

| that ran smoothly, I could never trust that it would the next time

| around. Maybe I'm just getting old and crabby about it, but I think 2000

| and XP have spoiled me for the W9x line. When it slows down or locks up

| on me I no longer thing, "Oh goody - another fun time untangling it!"

| What I find myself thinking is a whole lot of highly technical words,

| none of which are anything like memory, or CPU, or floppy, and so on. I

| am sure you know what I mean. Thanks for the great discussion and

| support and encouragement.

|

| --

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

| compulsive computer fiddler.

June 28, 2008

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

| Peter in New Zealand wrote:

|>>

|>> If you put the USB stick into your XP system it will let you see the

|>> actual

|>> manufacturer tag for the unit. I've found that is a handy way to

|>> get to the

|>> right SE driver.

|>

|> Good thought - thanks. I'll do that when I get a moment.

|>

| Well, after all the great discussion and wonderful help I found here I

| regret to announce I have ended up with W2K on the little laptop.

| It's a little slower to get anything done than 98, but it gets it

| done every time. And USB and the video and the power management and

| the sound and the networking just work, straight off the W2K CD

| install. No need to even pop the original drivers disk in. At the end

| of the day what I need is a portable machine that will enable me to

| word process and spreadsheet, and occasionally do email, for times

| when I am away from my desk. With W2K it seems to do all that just

| fine, and everything just works, first time and every time.

|

| I'll stay a lurker here though, as I used 98 extensively when it was

| the latest and greatest, and have a soft spot for it. But in the end

| the essential quirkiness of 98 left me feel in that, while I had a

| machine that ran smoothly, I could never trust that it would the next

| time around. Maybe I'm just getting old and crabby about it, but I

| think 2000 and XP have spoiled me for the W9x line. When it slows

| down or locks up on me I no longer thing, "Oh goody - another fun

| time untangling it!" What I find myself thinking is a whole lot of

| highly technical words, none of which are anything like memory, or

| CPU, or floppy, and so on. I am sure you know what I mean. Thanks for

| the great discussion and support and encouragement.

Alright. Glad you got one OS finally to be satisfactory to your

purposes. Laptops can be extra finicky with drivers. Thanks for the

update. But did the XP-machine say what the thing was?

| --

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

| and compulsive computer fiddler.

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

June 28, 2008

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

> Alright. Glad you got one OS finally to be satisfactory to your

> purposes. Laptops can be extra finicky with drivers. Thanks for the

> update. But did the XP-machine say what the thing was?

>

Mmmmm. It's a Lexar flash drive. I ferritted all over the Lexar site,

and actually found when they claim is a driver for their flash drives on

Windows 98. With great delight I downloaded it and installed it, only to

find it didn't work - at least not for me. It was a good suggestion and

worth trying, but no joy I'm afraid. even on second edition. Sigh.

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

June 29, 2008

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

|> Alright. Glad you got one OS finally to be satisfactory to your

|> purposes. Laptops can be extra finicky with drivers. Thanks for the

|> update. But did the XP-machine say what the thing was?

|>

| Mmmmm. It's a Lexar flash drive. I ferritted all over the Lexar site,

| and actually found when they claim is a driver for their flash drives

| on Windows 98. With great delight I downloaded it and installed it,

| only to find it didn't work - at least not for me. It was a good

| suggestion and worth trying, but no joy I'm afraid. even on second

| edition. Sigh.

Alright, that's a nice trick for WinXP to be able to do (if it has done

it, you didn't precisely say). Too bad about that disappointment with

the Win98 driver. The Lexar flash drive you said did work for a short

while in Win98-- but then failed. Now, you have gone to Win2K where the

Lexar flash drive works fine without fussing with drivers. Alright,

then. No sense for any more Googling on it. Sorry to see you go as a

user, but glad you will still lurk around.

| --

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

| and compulsive computer fiddler.

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

June 30, 2008

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

In news:OGwntPj2IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl at ,

PCR contemplated and posted:

| Peter in New Zealand wrote:

||> Alright. Glad you got one OS finally to be satisfactory to your

||> purposes. Laptops can be extra finicky with drivers. Thanks for the

||> update. But did the XP-machine say what the thing was?

||>

|| Mmmmm. It's a Lexar flash drive. I ferritted all over the Lexar site,

|| and actually found when they claim is a driver for their flash drives

|| on Windows 98. With great delight I downloaded it and installed it,

|| only to find it didn't work - at least not for me. It was a good

|| suggestion and worth trying, but no joy I'm afraid. even on second

|| edition. Sigh.

|

| Alright, that's a nice trick for WinXP to be able to do (if it has

| done it, you didn't precisely say). Too bad about that disappointment

| with the Win98 driver. The Lexar flash drive you said did work for a

| short while in Win98-- but then failed. Now, you have gone to Win2K

| where the Lexar flash drive works fine without fussing with drivers.

| Alright, then. No sense for any more Googling on it. Sorry to see you

| go as a user, but glad you will still lurk around.

|

|| --

|| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

|| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

|| and compulsive computer fiddler.

It is too bad, Peter likely could have used one of the universal drivers

for 98...

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

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June 30, 2008

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

MEB wrote:

| In news:OGwntPj2IHA.416@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl at ,

| PCR contemplated and posted:

|| Peter in New Zealand wrote:

|||> Alright. Glad you got one OS finally to be satisfactory to your

|||> purposes. Laptops can be extra finicky with drivers. Thanks for the

|||> update. But did the XP-machine say what the thing was?

|||>

||| Mmmmm. It's a Lexar flash drive. I ferritted all over the Lexar

||| site, and actually found when they claim is a driver for their

||| flash drives on Windows 98. With great delight I downloaded it and

||| installed it, only to find it didn't work - at least not for me. It

||| was a good suggestion and worth trying, but no joy I'm afraid. even

||| on second edition. Sigh.

||

|| Alright, that's a nice trick for WinXP to be able to do (if it has

|| done it, you didn't precisely say). Too bad about that disappointment

|| with the Win98 driver. The Lexar flash drive you said did work for a

|| short while in Win98-- but then failed. Now, you have gone to Win2K

|| where the Lexar flash drive works fine without fussing with drivers.

|| Alright, then. No sense for any more Googling on it. Sorry to see you

|| go as a user, but glad you will still lurk around.

||

||| --

||| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

||| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

||| and compulsive computer fiddler.

|

| It is too bad, Peter likely could have used one of the universal

| drivers for 98...

He was tired of the fuss & sorely disappointed with Lexar's own hard to

find driver that promised but did not consistently work for him in

Win98. It is too bad, yea.

| --

| MEB

| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| --

| _________

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Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

July 1, 2008

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

> | It is too bad, Peter likely could have used one of the universal

> | drivers for 98...

>

> He was tired of the fuss & sorely disappointed with Lexar's own hard to

> find driver that promised but did not consistently work for him in

> Win98. It is too bad, yea.

>

> | --

> | MEB

> | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

I'm still here gentlemen (& ladies?), even though I'm running W2K on the

laptop now. I won't be leaving any time soon, as I still have an elderly

desktop still chugging along on Windows 98. My grandson (10) is coming to

stay for the school holidays in a few days and he always loves tinkering

around with it. It's hooked up to broadband through my router and he regards

it as his own machine when he's here. He's even used his name for it on my

network! So 98 still lives in my household (and does pretty well on the

whole), and so I'll be around here for a while yet.

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

July 1, 2008

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

Re: Return to 98 - epilogue

In news:%23PtVv4y2IHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl at ,

Peter in New Zealand contemplated and posted:

|> | It is too bad, Peter likely could have used one of the universal

|> | drivers for 98...

|>

|> He was tired of the fuss & sorely disappointed with Lexar's own hard

|> to find driver that promised but did not consistently work for him in

|> Win98. It is too bad, yea.

|>

|> | --

|> | MEB

|> | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

|

| I'm still here gentlemen (& ladies?), even though I'm running W2K on

| the laptop now. I won't be leaving any time soon, as I still have an

| elderly desktop still chugging along on Windows 98. My grandson (10)

| is coming to stay for the school holidays in a few days and he always

| loves tinkering around with it. It's hooked up to broadband through

| my router and he regards it as his own machine when he's here. He's

| even used his name for it on my network! So 98 still lives in my

| household (and does pretty well on the whole), and so I'll be around

| here for a while yet.

Glad to hear it.

Just so you know what we were indicating:

There are several Universal Drivers available which might have supplied the

function(s) you needed in 98SE had you advised us of the issue. Many of the

posters in here run them with good results.

I think you were directed to them in some of the prior 98/98SE discussions.

http://www.mdgx.com/spx/NUSB.EXE - Maximus Decim Universal Drivers

http://www.msfn.org/board/Maximum-Decim-Native-USB-Drivers-t43605.html

http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php - multiple languages

http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~heha/hs_freeware/USB%20Mass%20Storage.zip

Panasonic and Orangeware drivers are/were also available which support

multiple devices.

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MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

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July 1, 2008