Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

June 15, 2008

My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP)

who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable downloading/sending

messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) the

Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the problem,

in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested replacing

the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys

WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not find

anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected my

computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went without

any problems.

Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and as

with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

retrieving/sending messages.

(This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to

Newsgroups.

I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but they

don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups connect

to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 and

the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all this

is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and advise

if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am wrong

and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere else

and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the settings

of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to fix the

problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without

incurring any penalties.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

TIA.

June 15, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Hello Ibex

>I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

>they don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that

>Newsgroups connect to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using

>exclusively port 119 and the ISP is most likely blocking this from

>executing.

You didn't say where you were getting your newsgroup access from -- I

mean from which server. Were you using one provided by your ISP, or had

you subscribed to a service from a third-party provider and were trying

to connect to its NNTP server?

If as you say the ISP didn't seem to know much about newsgroups, it

sounds likely they're simply not providing a news server, or have

stopped doing so. Many don't these days.

>

>I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

>this is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>

>Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>advise if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if

>I am wrong and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies

>somewhere else and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

Can you give us more information? Like name of ISP, name of the news

server you were trying to connect to, etc.

>And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>settings of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP

>either to fix the problem or get them to release me from my

>subscription contract without incurring any penalties.

Try setting your news program to access this group:

(microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) from the server

msnews.microsoft.com . If that works, then there's no "blocking" being

done and the problem may be that you've been trying to connect to the

wrong news server or a non-existent one.

Let us know what you find out :-)

--

Nightowl

June 15, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

[Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

You managed to post to WinXP General (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general)

newsgroup via the Microsoft newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using

Windows Live Mail as your News Client, and I assume you were connected via

your new ADSL ISP when you posted.

This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing

newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may or

may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)?

Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? =>

http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required)

Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ & http://www.newzbot.com/

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Ibex wrote:

> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP)

> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>

> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable downloading/sending

> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) the

> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>

> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

> problem,

> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

> replacing

> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys

> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>

> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not find

> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected my

> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went without

> any problems.

>

> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and as

> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

> retrieving/sending messages.

> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>

> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to

> Newsgroups.

>

> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

> they

> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

> connect

> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 and

> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>

> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

> this

> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>

> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and advise

> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am wrong

> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere else

> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

> settings

> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to fix

> the

> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without

> incurring any penalties.

> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

> TIA.

June 15, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

news:842B2575-1A16-4A02-B2B9-5D1DEF46C036@microsoft.com...

> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP)

> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>

> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable downloading/sending

> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) the

> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>

> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

> problem, in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

> replacing the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a

> 'Linksys WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>

> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not find

> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected my

> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went without

> any problems.

>

> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and as

> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

> retrieving/sending messages.

> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>

> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to

> Newsgroups.

>

> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

> they don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

> connect to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port

> 119 and the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>

> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

> this is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>

> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and advise

> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am wrong

> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere else

> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

> settings of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either

> to fix the problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

> without incurring any penalties.

> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

> TIA.

You could resubscribe to dial-up just to be able to access Usenet groups

easily. That is what some users in North America do in case their high-speed

ISP does not provide Usenet to its clients. I am in NA and still using

dial-up exclusively.

--

Allan

June 15, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

> news:842B2575-1A16-4A02-B2B9-5D1DEF46C036@microsoft.com...

>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP)

>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>

>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>> downloading/sending messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But

>> accessing (browsing) the Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem

>> at all.

Open a command prompt and try "telnet newsservername 110"... Replacing

newsservername with the address of your NNTP server.

You should get a welcome message similar to "200 Welcome to xxx news

service" If you don't, your connection to the server is blocked, or the

server is offline.

Try to ping the NNTP server as well.

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Calab" <myspam@csd.ca> wrote in message

news:joh5k.10962$Jx.8243@pd7urf1no...

>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>> news:842B2575-1A16-4A02-B2B9-5D1DEF46C036@microsoft.com...

>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>> (ISP) who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>

>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>> downloading/sending messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But

>>> accessing (browsing) the Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem

>>> at all.

>

> Open a command prompt and try "telnet newsservername 110"... Replacing

> newsservername with the address of your NNTP server.

Just to clarify, the is 110 or should it be 119?

>

> You should get a welcome message similar to "200 Welcome to xxx news

> service" If you don't, your connection to the server is blocked, or the

> server is offline.

>

> Try to ping the NNTP server as well.

How can I do this please?

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Hi PA Bear.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>

> You managed to post to WinXP General (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general)

> newsgroup via the Microsoft newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using

> Windows Live Mail as your News Client, and I assume you were connected via

> your new ADSL ISP when you posted.

No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This

messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>

> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing

> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may or

> may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)?

The names of News Server are:

msnews.microsoft.com

news.aioe.org

and

privatenews.microsoft.com

The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>

> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? =>

> http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required)

Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my dial-up

connection from a different ISP.

>

> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

> http://www.newzbot.com/

I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who

provides ADSL connection.

However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

*different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>

> Ibex wrote:

>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP)

>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>

>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>> downloading/sending

>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing)

>> the

>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>

>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>> problem,

>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>> replacing

>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys

>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>

>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not

>> find

>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected my

>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>> without

>> any problems.

>>

>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and as

>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

>> retrieving/sending messages.

>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>

>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to

>> Newsgroups.

>>

>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

>> they

>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>> connect

>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 and

>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>

>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

>> this

>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>

>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>> advise

>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>> wrong

>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere

>> else

>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>> settings

>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to fix

>> the

>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without

>> incurring any penalties.

>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>> TIA.

>

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Thanks for response, Nightowl.

"Nightowl" <owl@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message

news:lsDiPUGS1RVIFwEq@black.hole...

> Hello Ibex

>

>>I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

>>they don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>connect to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port

>>119 and the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>

> You didn't say where you were getting your newsgroup access from -- I mean

> from which server. Were you using one provided by your ISP, or had you

> subscribed to a service from a third-party provider and were trying to

> connect to its NNTP server?

I access Newsgroups using Windows Live Mail as Newsreader and

msnews.microsoft.com as News Server and also use other News Server using the

same News Reader; My ISP did not provide these.

>

> If as you say the ISP didn't seem to know much about newsgroups, it sounds

> likely they're simply not providing a news server, or have stopped doing

> so. Many don't these days.

>>

>>I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

>>this is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>

>>Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and advise

>>if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am wrong

>>and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere else

>>and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>

> Can you give us more information? Like name of ISP, name of the news

> server you were trying to connect to, etc.

The name of ISP is MaxNet. The names of News Server are:

msnews.microsoft.com

news.aioe.org

and

privatenews.microsoft.com

The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>

>>And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>settings of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either

>>to fix the problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

>>without incurring any penalties.

>

> Try setting your news program to access this group:

> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) from the server msnews.microsoft.com

> . If that works, then there's no "blocking" being done and the problem may

> be that you've been trying to connect to the wrong news server or a

> non-existent one.

See above responses. The blocking occurs only when using MaxNet ADSL

connection. The blocking does not occur when using dial-up connection from a

different ISP. This is only a recent occurrence, I used to be able

accessing Newsgroups with MaxNet until about 3 weeks ago.

>

> Let us know what you find out :-)

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

go to a Command Prompt and try

telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

--

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

> Hi PA Bear.

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>

>> You managed to post to WinXP General (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general)

>> newsgroup via the Microsoft newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using

>> Windows Live Mail as your News Client, and I assume you were connected via

>> your new ADSL ISP when you posted.

>

> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This

> messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>

>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing

>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may or

>> may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)?

>

> The names of News Server are:

> msnews.microsoft.com

> news.aioe.org

> and

> privatenews.microsoft.com

> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>

>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? =>

>> http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required)

>

> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my dial-up

> connection from a different ISP.

>>

>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>

> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who

> provides ADSL connection.

> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>

>> Ibex wrote:

>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP)

>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>

>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>> downloading/sending

>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing)

>>> the

>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>

>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>> problem,

>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>> replacing

>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys

>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>

>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not

>>> find

>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected my

>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>> without

>>> any problems.

>>>

>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and as

>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>

>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to

>>> Newsgroups.

>>>

>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

>>> they

>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>> connect

>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 and

>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>

>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

>>> this

>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>

>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>> advise

>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>>> wrong

>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere

>>> else

>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>> settings

>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to fix

>>> the

>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without

>>> incurring any penalties.

>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>> TIA.

>>

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Here is the response I got:

" 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed "

I tried accessing Newsgroups again using Microsoft Live Mail and 40tude but

without success :(

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

> go to a Command Prompt and try

>

> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>

> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

> --

> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>> Hi PA Bear.

>>

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>

>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your

>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP when

>>> you posted.

>>

>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This

>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>

>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing

>>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may

>>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>

>> The names of News Server are:

>> msnews.microsoft.com

>> news.aioe.org

>> and

>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>

>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? =>

>>> http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required)

>>

>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>

>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>

>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who

>> provides ADSL connection.

>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>

>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>> (ISP)

>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>

>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>> downloading/sending

>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing)

>>>> the

>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>

>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>> problem,

>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>> replacing

>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys

>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>

>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not

>>>> find

>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected

>>>> my

>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>> without

>>>> any problems.

>>>>

>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and

>>>> as

>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>

>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access

>>>> to

>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>

>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

>>>> they

>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>> connect

>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119

>>>> and

>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>

>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

>>>> this

>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>

>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>> advise

>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>>>> wrong

>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere

>>>> else

>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>> settings

>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to

>>>> fix the

>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without

>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>> TIA.

>>>

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Here is what I got:

" 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed "

I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection

provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up

connection using a different ISP.

Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem?

Rgds,

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

> go to a Command Prompt and try

>

> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>

> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

> --

> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>> Hi PA Bear.

>>

>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>

>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your

>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP when

>>> you posted.

>>

>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This

>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>

>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing

>>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may

>>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>

>> The names of News Server are:

>> msnews.microsoft.com

>> news.aioe.org

>> and

>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>

>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? =>

>>> http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required)

>>

>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>

>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>

>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who

>> provides ADSL connection.

>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>

>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>> (ISP)

>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>

>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>> downloading/sending

>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing)

>>>> the

>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>

>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>> problem,

>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>> replacing

>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys

>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>

>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not

>>>> find

>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected

>>>> my

>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>> without

>>>> any problems.

>>>>

>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and

>>>> as

>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>

>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access

>>>> to

>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>

>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

>>>> they

>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>> connect

>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119

>>>> and

>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>

>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

>>>> this

>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>

>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>> advise

>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>>>> wrong

>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere

>>>> else

>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>> settings

>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to

>>>> fix the

>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without

>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>> TIA.

>>>

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

If you're getting any errors messages when you try to access the newsgroups

via your new ADSL ISP, post the errors in their entirety, please.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Ibex wrote:

> Here is what I got:

>

> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed "

>

> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection

> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up

> connection using a different ISP.

> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem?

> Rgds,

>

> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

>> go to a Command Prompt and try

>>

>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>>

>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

>> --

>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>

>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>>> Hi PA Bear.

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>>

>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your

>>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP when

>>>> you posted.

>>>

>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This

>>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>>

>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when

>>>> accessing

>>>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may

>>>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>>

>>> The names of News Server are:

>>> msnews.microsoft.com

>>> news.aioe.org

>>> and

>>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>>

>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? =>

>>>> http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required)

>>>

>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>>

>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>>

>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who

>>> provides ADSL connection.

>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>>

>>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>>> (ISP)

>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>>

>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>>> downloading/sending

>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing)

>>>>> the

>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>>

>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>>> problem,

>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>>> replacing

>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys

>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>>

>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not

>>>>> find

>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected

>>>>> my

>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>>> without

>>>>> any problems.

>>>>>

>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and

>>>>> as

>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

>>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>>

>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access

>>>>> to

>>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>>

>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

>>>>> they

>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>>> connect

>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119

>>>>> and

>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>>

>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

>>>>> this

>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>>

>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>>> advise

>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>>>>> wrong

>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere

>>>>> else

>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>>> settings

>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to

>>>>> fix the

>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

>>>>> without

>>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>>> TIA.

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Sounds like your new ISP may be blocking access to Port 119, Ibex.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Ibex wrote:

> Thanks for response, Nightowl.

>

> "Nightowl" <owl@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message

> news:lsDiPUGS1RVIFwEq@black.hole...

>> Hello Ibex

>>

>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

>>> they don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>> connect to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively

>>> port

>>> 119 and the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>

>> You didn't say where you were getting your newsgroup access from -- I

>> mean

>> from which server. Were you using one provided by your ISP, or had you

>> subscribed to a service from a third-party provider and were trying to

>> connect to its NNTP server?

>

> I access Newsgroups using Windows Live Mail as Newsreader and

> msnews.microsoft.com as News Server and also use other News Server using

> the

> same News Reader; My ISP did not provide these.

>

>>

>> If as you say the ISP didn't seem to know much about newsgroups, it

>> sounds

>> likely they're simply not providing a news server, or have stopped doing

>> so. Many don't these days.

>>>

>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

>>> this is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>

>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>> advise

>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>>> wrong

>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere

>>> else

>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>

>> Can you give us more information? Like name of ISP, name of the news

>> server you were trying to connect to, etc.

>

> The name of ISP is MaxNet. The names of News Server are:

> msnews.microsoft.com

> news.aioe.org

> and

> privatenews.microsoft.com

> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>>

>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>> settings of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP

>>> either

>>> to fix the problem or get them to release me from my subscription

>>> contract

>>> without incurring any penalties.

>>

>> Try setting your news program to access this group:

>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) from the server msnews.microsoft.com

>> . If that works, then there's no "blocking" being done and the problem

>> may

>> be that you've been trying to connect to the wrong news server or a

>> non-existent one.

>

> See above responses. The blocking occurs only when using MaxNet ADSL

> connection. The blocking does not occur when using dial-up connection from

> a

> different ISP. This is only a recent occurrence, I used to be able

> accessing Newsgroups with MaxNet until about 3 weeks ago.

>>

>> Let us know what you find out :-)

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Interesting. At least we now know that port 119 is not blocked.

I don't have any other suggestions at this point.

--

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message news:835D8B71-643A-42D8-8D72-6BBE885524BD@microsoft.com...

> Here is what I got:

>

> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed "

>

> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection

> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up

> connection using a different ISP.

> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem?

> Rgds,

>

> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

>> go to a Command Prompt and try

>>

>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>>

>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

>> --

>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>

>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>>> Hi PA Bear.

>>>

>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>>

>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your

>>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP when

>>>> you posted.

>>>

>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This

>>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>>

>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing

>>>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may

>>>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>>

>>> The names of News Server are:

>>> msnews.microsoft.com

>>> news.aioe.org

>>> and

>>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>>

>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? =>

>>>> http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required)

>>>

>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>>

>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>>

>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who

>>> provides ADSL connection.

>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>>

>>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>>> (ISP)

>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>>

>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>>> downloading/sending

>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing)

>>>>> the

>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>>

>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>>> problem,

>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>>> replacing

>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys

>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>>

>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not

>>>>> find

>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected

>>>>> my

>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>>> without

>>>>> any problems.

>>>>>

>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and

>>>>> as

>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

>>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>>

>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access

>>>>> to

>>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>>

>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

>>>>> they

>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>>> connect

>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119

>>>>> and

>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>>

>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

>>>>> this

>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>>

>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>>> advise

>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>>>>> wrong

>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere

>>>>> else

>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>>> settings

>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to

>>>>> fix the

>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without

>>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>>> TIA.

>>>>

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

PA Bear,

Error Messages - Windows Live Mail:

(1)

Your NNPT (Network News Transfer Protocol) server has not responded in 60

seconds. Would you like to wait another 60 seconds for the server to

respond?

Account: msnews.microsoft.com

Server: msnews.microsoft.com

Ibex note: When clicking on to YES the same message will pop - up about 60

seconds later...

(2)

Windows Live Mail cannot connect to the Internet, possibly because an

antivirus or firewall program won't allow it. Make sure any antivirus or

firewall programs on your computer allow Windows Live Mail (wlmail.exe) to

access the Internet.

Configuration:

Account: msnews.microsoft.com

Server: msnews.microsoft.com

Protocol: NNTP

Port: 119

Ibex note: KAV 7 was configured to allow to allow WLM to the Internet as is

my Linksys router and wlmail.exe is in the exception list of my Windows

Firewall. Also, I just uninstalled KAV7 and replaced it with NOD32.

Error Messages 40tude Dialog Newsreader:

(1)

The application C:\Program Files\40tude Dialog.exe cannot establish

connection with server 207.46.248.16 Please check your Internet connection

settings. If you have a firewall installed, check that the application

avp.exe is allowed internet access.

Ibex note: http://whois.domaintools.com/207.46.248.16

(2)

Network Error (tcp_error)

A communication error occurred: "Operation timed out"

The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems

preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a

later time.

For assistance, contact your network support team.

(3)

Read Timeout [msnews.microsoft.com] [Finished]

Socket Error # 10057; Socket is nor connected. [msnews.microsoft.com]

[Finished]

Ibex note: I can access *all* Newsgroups without *any* problems when

switching to another ISP using dial-up connection. This makes me believe

that:

a) The error messages may be meaningless

and

b) My ISP who is providing me with the ADSL connection may be blocking NNTP

services. If so, what would be the best way to prove that they are blocking

NNTP services?

Rgds,

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:Od7SiE1zIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> If you're getting any errors messages when you try to access the

> newsgroups via your new ADSL ISP, post the errors in their entirety,

> please.

> --

> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>

> Ibex wrote:

>> Here is what I got:

>>

>> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed "

>>

>> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection

>> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up

>> connection using a different ISP.

>> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem?

>> Rgds,

>>

>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

>>> go to a Command Prompt and try

>>>

>>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>>>

>>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

>>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

>>> --

>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>>

>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>>>> Hi PA Bear.

>>>>

>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>>>

>>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your

>>>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP

>>>>> when

>>>>> you posted.

>>>>

>>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This

>>>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>>>

>>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when

>>>>> accessing

>>>>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP

>>>>> may

>>>>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>>>

>>>> The names of News Server are:

>>>> msnews.microsoft.com

>>>> news.aioe.org

>>>> and

>>>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>>>

>>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? =>

>>>>> http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password

>>>>> required)

>>>>

>>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>>>

>>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>>>

>>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who

>>>> provides ADSL connection.

>>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>>>

>>>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a

>>>>>> dial-up

>>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>>>> (ISP)

>>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>>>> downloading/sending

>>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing

>>>>>> (browsing)

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>>>> problem,

>>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>>>> replacing

>>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a

>>>>>> 'Linksys

>>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not

>>>>>> find

>>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then

>>>>>> connected

>>>>>> my

>>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>>>> without

>>>>>> any problems.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> as

>>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

>>>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices

>>>>>> but

>>>>>> they

>>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>>>> connect

>>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that

>>>>>> all

>>>>>> this

>>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>>>> advise

>>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>>>>>> wrong

>>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere

>>>>>> else

>>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>>>> settings

>>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to

>>>>>> fix the

>>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

>>>>>> without

>>>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>>>> TIA.

>

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Gary,

FYI, I tried this as well:

(1)

telnet news.grc.com 119

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>telnet news.grc.com 119

Connecting To news.grc.com...Could not open connection to the host, on port

119: Connect failed

(2)

telnet news.aioe.org 119

200 aioe.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.4.4 (20080128 snapshot) ready

(posting ok).

Connection to host lost.

(3)

telnet privatenews.microsoft.com 119

200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

Rgds,

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

news:ut0MJ$0zIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Interesting. At least we now know that port 119 is not blocked.

> I don't have any other suggestions at this point.

> --

> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

> news:835D8B71-643A-42D8-8D72-6BBE885524BD@microsoft.com...

>> Here is what I got:

>>

>> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed "

>>

>> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection

>> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up

>> connection using a different ISP.

>> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem?

>> Rgds,

>>

>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

>>> go to a Command Prompt and try

>>>

>>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>>>

>>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

>>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

>>> --

>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>>

>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>>>> Hi PA Bear.

>>>>

>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>>>

>>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your

>>>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP

>>>>> when you posted.

>>>>

>>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This

>>>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>>>

>>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when

>>>>> accessing newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which

>>>>> your ISP may or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g.,

>>>>> news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>>>

>>>> The names of News Server are:

>>>> msnews.microsoft.com

>>>> news.aioe.org

>>>> and

>>>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>>>

>>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? =>

>>>>> http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password

>>>>> required)

>>>>

>>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>>>

>>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>>>

>>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who

>>>> provides ADSL connection.

>>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>>>

>>>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a

>>>>>> dial-up

>>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>>>> (ISP)

>>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>>>> downloading/sending

>>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing

>>>>>> (browsing) the

>>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>>>> problem,

>>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>>>> replacing

>>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a

>>>>>> 'Linksys

>>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not

>>>>>> find

>>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then

>>>>>> connected my

>>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>>>> without

>>>>>> any problems.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection

>>>>>> and as

>>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

>>>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices

>>>>>> but they

>>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>>>> connect

>>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that

>>>>>> all this

>>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>>>> advise

>>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>>>>>> wrong

>>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere

>>>>>> else

>>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>>>> settings

>>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to

>>>>>> fix the

>>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

>>>>>> without

>>>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>>>> TIA.

>>>>>

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

news:BF747E6F-F5D5-4FF0-8F40-78A3F39AA4DB@microsoft.com...

> Here is the response I got:

>

> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed "

>

> I tried accessing Newsgroups again using Microsoft Live Mail and 40tude but

> without success :(

Does 40tude have any better diagnostics than either OE or WLMail?

Alternatively you could use netcap and Ethereal to see exactly what

is going on.

In any case, a better simulation of what happens before you see

any logging by the Microsoft products would be to issue a LIST

command. Perhaps the amount of output that generates is more

than your new ISP will allow? In order to avoid that being done

normally you could _uncheck_ (in Options, General tab):

Notify me if there are any new newsgroups

HTH

Robert Aldwinckle

---

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

news:9F5EDC9D-52F7-456F-A9C4-B319366E152B@microsoft.com...

>

> "Calab" <myspam@csd.ca> wrote in message

> news:joh5k.10962$Jx.8243@pd7urf1no...

>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>> news:842B2575-1A16-4A02-B2B9-5D1DEF46C036@microsoft.com...

>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>> (ISP) who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable

>>>> speed.

>>>>

>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>> downloading/sending messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But

>>>> accessing (browsing) the Internet and e-mail facilities is not a

>>>> problem at all.

>>

>> Open a command prompt and try "telnet newsservername 110"... Replacing

>> newsservername with the address of your NNTP server.

>

> Just to clarify, the is 110 or should it be 119?

>>

>> You should get a welcome message similar to "200 Welcome to xxx news

>> service" If you don't, your connection to the server is blocked, or the

>> server is offline.

>>

>> Try to ping the NNTP server as well.

>

> How can I do this please?

Open a command window inside Explorer by selecting "Start|Run" and typing

"cmd" in the box. Then type "ping msnews.microsoft.com" or "tracert

msnews.microsoft.com" and you should see some response.

--

Allan

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote:

>My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP)

>who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable downloading/sending

>messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) the

>Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

There's no problem with your computer then. There is very little

difference to your computer in using your web browser versus accessing

an NNTP server. If you have a problem with the newsgroups but not with

the browser or email, then it's overwhelmingly likely that it's the

NNTP server that has a problem, not you. So you have two choices:

somehow harass your ISP into fixing their NNTP server, or find another

one.

>I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to

>Newsgroups.

First off: is the NNTP server you're trying to use the one offered by

your ISP (assuming they offer one, not all do). If it's on a different

network - for example, if you're using your DSL connection to try to

access the NNTP server on your dial-up providers network - then you

are probably being locked out by the dial-up provider. ISPs who run

NNTP servers generally allow access only from their own networks, not

from anyplace on the net.

--

Tim Slattery

MS MVP(Shell/User)

Slattery_T@bls.gov

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

news:9F5EDC9D-52F7-456F-A9C4-B319366E152B@microsoft.com...

>

> "Calab" <myspam@csd.ca> wrote in message

>> Open a command prompt and try "telnet newsservername 110"... Replacing

>> newsservername with the address of your NNTP server.

>

> Just to clarify, the is 110 or should it be 119?

My bad... It should be 119. 110 is for POP email.

>> You should get a welcome message similar to "200 Welcome to xxx news

>> service" If you don't, your connection to the server is blocked, or the

>> server is offline.

>>

>> Try to ping the NNTP server as well.

>

> How can I do this please?

From a command prompt enter "ping newsservername"

June 16, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

news:BF747E6F-F5D5-4FF0-8F40-78A3F39AA4DB@microsoft.com...

> Here is the response I got:

>

> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed "

This means that your computer IS connecting to the news server, so your

software should be able to access.

Try the TELNET again, and when you get the above prompt, type LIST

You should see a big bunch of newsgroups scroll up the screen. This will

tell you if your ISP is dropping the connection due to too much traffic.

At this point I would suspect the software that you are using. Have you

tried another newgroup client software?

June 17, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

> Ibex note: I can access *all* Newsgroups without *any* problems when

> switching to another ISP using dial-up connection. This makes me believe

> that:

> a) The error messages may be meaningless

The error messages are not meaningless.

> and

> b) My ISP who is providing me with the ADSL connection may be blocking

> NNTP

> services.

That, I suspect, is what the errors are telling us.

> ...If so, what would be the best way to prove that they are blocking

> NNTP services?

I think you've already done so. Vote with your wallet: Cancel your

subscription and get another ISP.

What is the ISP, anyway?

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Ibex wrote:

> PA Bear,

>

> Error Messages - Windows Live Mail:

> (1)

> Your NNPT (Network News Transfer Protocol) server has not responded in 60

> seconds. Would you like to wait another 60 seconds for the server to

> respond?

>

> Account: msnews.microsoft.com

> Server: msnews.microsoft.com

>

> Ibex note: When clicking on to YES the same message will pop - up about 60

> seconds later...

>

> (2)

> Windows Live Mail cannot connect to the Internet, possibly because an

> antivirus or firewall program won't allow it. Make sure any antivirus or

> firewall programs on your computer allow Windows Live Mail (wlmail.exe) to

> access the Internet.

> Configuration:

> Account: msnews.microsoft.com

> Server: msnews.microsoft.com

> Protocol: NNTP

> Port: 119

>

> Ibex note: KAV 7 was configured to allow to allow WLM to the Internet as

> is

> my Linksys router and wlmail.exe is in the exception list of my Windows

> Firewall. Also, I just uninstalled KAV7 and replaced it with NOD32.

>

> Error Messages 40tude Dialog Newsreader:

> (1)

> The application C:\Program Files\40tude Dialog.exe cannot establish

> connection with server 207.46.248.16 Please check your Internet connection

> settings. If you have a firewall installed, check that the application

> avp.exe is allowed internet access.

>

> Ibex note: http://whois.domaintools.com/207.46.248.16

>

> (2)

> Network Error (tcp_error)

> A communication error occurred: "Operation timed out"

> The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems

> preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a

> later time.

> For assistance, contact your network support team.

>

> (3)

> Read Timeout [msnews.microsoft.com] [Finished]

> Socket Error # 10057; Socket is nor connected. [msnews.microsoft.com]

> [Finished]

>

> Ibex note: I can access *all* Newsgroups without *any* problems when

> switching to another ISP using dial-up connection. This makes me believe

> that:

> a) The error messages may be meaningless

> and

> b) My ISP who is providing me with the ADSL connection may be blocking

> NNTP

> services. If so, what would be the best way to prove that they are

> blocking

> NNTP services?

>

> Rgds,

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:Od7SiE1zIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> If you're getting any errors messages when you try to access the

>> newsgroups via your new ADSL ISP, post the errors in their entirety,

>> please.

>> --

>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

>>

>> Ibex wrote:

>>> Here is what I got:

>>>

>>> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

>>> "

>>>

>>> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection

>>> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up

>>> connection using a different ISP.

>>> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem?

>>> Rgds,

>>>

>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

>>> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

>>>> go to a Command Prompt and try

>>>>

>>>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>>>>

>>>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

>>>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

>>>> --

>>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>>>

>>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>>>>> Hi PA Bear.

>>>>>

>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as

>>>>>> your

>>>>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP

>>>>>> when

>>>>>> you posted.

>>>>>

>>>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This

>>>>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when

>>>>>> accessing

>>>>>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP

>>>>>> may

>>>>>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>>>>

>>>>> The names of News Server are:

>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com

>>>>> news.aioe.org

>>>>> and

>>>>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>>>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>>>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver?

>>>>>> =>

>>>>>> http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password

>>>>>> required)

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>>>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>>>>

>>>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP

>>>>> who

>>>>> provides ADSL connection.

>>>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>>>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a

>>>>>>> dial-up

>>>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>>>>> (ISP)

>>>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>>>>> downloading/sending

>>>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing

>>>>>>> (browsing)

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>>>>> problem,

>>>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>>>>> replacing

>>>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a

>>>>>>> 'Linksys

>>>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could

>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>> find

>>>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then

>>>>>>> connected

>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>> any problems.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>>>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the

>>>>>>> access

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices

>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>>>>> connect

>>>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port

>>>>>>> 119

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that

>>>>>>> all

>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>>>>> advise

>>>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>>>>>>> wrong

>>>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies

>>>>>>> somewhere

>>>>>>> else

>>>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>>>>> settings

>>>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to

>>>>>>> fix the

>>>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>>>>> TIA.

June 17, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Hi Robert.

In-line response.

"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message

news:3F808424-600F-4889-B337-89FB108AECFC@microsoft.com...

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

> news:BF747E6F-F5D5-4FF0-8F40-78A3F39AA4DB@microsoft.com...

>> Here is the response I got:

>>

>> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed "

>>

>> I tried accessing Newsgroups again using Microsoft Live Mail and 40tude

>> but

>> without success :(

>

> Does 40tude have any better diagnostics than either OE or WLMail?

>

Error Messages 40tude Dialog Newsreader:

(1)

The application C:\Program Files\40tude Dialog.exe cannot establish

connection with server 207.46.248.16 Please check your Internet connection

settings. If you have a firewall installed, check that the application

avp.exe is allowed internet access.

Ibex note: http://whois.domaintools.com/207.46.248.16

(2)

Network Error (tcp_error)

A communication error occurred: "Operation timed out"

The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems

preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a

later time.

For assistance, contact your network support team.

(3)

Read Timeout [msnews.microsoft.com] [Finished]

Socket Error # 10057; Socket is nor connected. [msnews.microsoft.com]

[Finished]

> Alternatively you could use netcap and Ethereal to see exactly what

> is going on.

>

I am not familiar with netcap and Ethereal :(

> In any case, a better simulation of what happens before you see

> any logging by the Microsoft products would be to issue a LIST

> command.

The LIST command produces an extremely very large database. In order not to

give you too much information I post data which I think is relevant. Please

note that microsoft.public.windowsxp.general is not on this (alphabetically

ordered) list.

microsoft.public.windows.embedded.pointofservice 1509 1441 y

microsoft.public.windows.file_system 14011 13588 y

microsoft.public.windows.group_policy 36662 35066 y

microsoft.public.windows.hpc 369 363 y

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie5.outlookexpress 178318 178303 y

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie55.outlookexpress 58950 58897 y

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie55.outlookexpress.stationery 377432

3774

23 y

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser 399395 398330 y

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.ieak 31525 31508 y

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.outlookexpress.wishlist 47976

47956 y

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.setup 64354 64303 y

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress 354237 351057 y

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress.stationery 141691

14167

2 y

microsoft.public.windows.international 42 40 y

> Perhaps the amount of output that generates is more

> than your new ISP will allow? In order to avoid that being done

> normally you could _uncheck_ (in Options, General tab):

>

> Notify me if there are any new newsgroups

>

Please find below Ping and Tracert results:

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>ping msnews.microsoft.com

Pinging msnews.microsoft.com [207.46.248.16] with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 207.46.248.16:

Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>Microsoft Windows XP [Version

5.1.2600]

'Microsoft' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

Corp.

Copyright was unexpected at this time.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>C:\Documents and Settings\Karl

Kaminski>

ping msnews.microsoft.com

'C:\Documents' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>Pinging msnews.microsoft.com

[207.46.248

..16] with 32 bytes of data:

'Pinging' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>Request timed out.

'Request' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>Request timed out.

'Request' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>Request timed out.

'Request' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>Request timed out.

'Request' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>

=========================

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>tracert msnews.microsoft.com

Tracing route to msnews.microsoft.com [207.46.248.16]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1

2 20 ms 22 ms 22 ms 222.123.184.1

3 * * * Request timed out.

4 * * * Request timed out.

5 23 ms 22 ms 23 ms mx-ll-58.147.0-25.tttmaxnet.com

[58.147.0.25]

6 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms mx-ll-58.147.0-86.tttmaxnet.com

[58.147.0.86]

7 37 ms 23 ms 23 ms mx-ll-58.147.0-54.tttmaxnet.com

[58.147.0.54]

8 25 ms 22 ms 23 ms mx-ll-58.147.0-106.tttmaxnet.com

[58.147.0.106]

9 57 ms 55 ms 55 ms if-2-0-1.core2.S9R-Singapore.teleglobe.net

[209.

58.96.45]

10 125 ms 124 ms 125 ms if-0-0-0-734.core1.TV2-Tokyo.teleglobe.net

[209.

58.96.38]

11 353 ms 283 ms 399 ms if-2-1.mcore3.PDI-PaloAlto.teleglobe.net

[216.6.

29.17]

12 265 ms 265 ms 265 ms if-6-0.core2.SEP-Seattle.teleglobe.net

[66.110.6

4.5]

13 259 ms 260 ms 260 ms ix-5-1.core2.SEP-Seattle.teleglobe.net

[66.110.6

4.22]

14 265 ms 266 ms 266 ms ge-1-3-0-56.wst-64cb-1a.ntwk.msn.net

[207.46.36.

173]

15 266 ms 266 ms 265 ms ge-6-1-0-0.tuk-64cb-1a.ntwk.msn.net

[207.46.35.2

]

16 269 ms 267 ms 267 ms ge-7-0-0-0.tuk-64cb-1b.ntwk.msn.net

[207.46.41.7

8]

17 265 ms 266 ms 266 ms ten1-2.tuk-76c-1a.ntwk.msn.net

[207.46.44.50]

18 * * * Request timed out.

19 * * * Request timed out.

20 * * * Request timed out.

21 * * * Request timed out.

22 * * * Request timed out.

23 * * * Request timed out.

24 * * * Request timed out.

25 * * * Request timed out.

26 * * * Request timed out.

27 * * * Request timed out.

28 * * * Request timed out.

29 * * * Request timed out.

30 * * * Request timed out.

Trace complete.

June 17, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Hi PA Bear.

In-line response.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:OXj57nB0IHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Ibex note: I can access *all* Newsgroups without *any* problems when

>> switching to another ISP using dial-up connection. This makes me believe

>> that:

>> a) The error messages may be meaningless

>

> The error messages are not meaningless.

>

>> and

>> b) My ISP who is providing me with the ADSL connection may be blocking

>> NNTP

>> services.

>

> That, I suspect, is what the errors are telling us.

>

>> ...If so, what would be the best way to prove that they are blocking

>> NNTP services?

>

> I think you've already done so. Vote with your wallet: Cancel your

> subscription and get another ISP.

>

I'd change right now if it wasn't for the contract I signed. I am with this

ISP 9 months. You see, the problem only started about 3 weeks ago. I have to

gather sufficient (technically sound) evidence that the ISP is in fact

blocking NNTP services in order to get out of the contract without incurring

any penalties.

> What is the ISP, anyway?

>

MaxNet Thailand.

June 17, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Allan" <mu8ja0i@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:#bEfCi6zIHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

> news:9F5EDC9D-52F7-456F-A9C4-B319366E152B@microsoft.com...

>>

>> "Calab" <myspam@csd.ca> wrote in message

>> news:joh5k.10962$Jx.8243@pd7urf1no...

>>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:842B2575-1A16-4A02-B2B9-5D1DEF46C036@microsoft.com...

>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>>> (ISP) who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable

>>>>> speed.

>>>>>

>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>>> downloading/sending messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But

>>>>> accessing (browsing) the Internet and e-mail facilities is not a

>>>>> problem at all.

>>>

>>> Open a command prompt and try "telnet newsservername 110"... Replacing

>>> newsservername with the address of your NNTP server.

>>

>> Just to clarify, the is 110 or should it be 119?

>>>

>>> You should get a welcome message similar to "200 Welcome to xxx news

>>> service" If you don't, your connection to the server is blocked, or the

>>> server is offline.

>>>

>>> Try to ping the NNTP server as well.

>>

>> How can I do this please?

> Open a command window inside Explorer by selecting "Start|Run" and typing

> "cmd" in the box. Then type "ping msnews.microsoft.com" or "tracert

> msnews.microsoft.com" and you should see some response.

>

Thanks Allan.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>ping msnews.microsoft.com

Pinging msnews.microsoft.com [207.46.248.16] with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 207.46.248.16:

Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

'Microsoft' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

Copyright was unexpected at this time.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>C:\Documents and Settings\XXX XXXX>

ping msnews.microsoft.com

'C:\Documents' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>Pinging msnews.microsoft.com [207.46.248

..16] with 32 bytes of data:

'Pinging' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>Request timed out.

'Request' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>Request timed out.

'Request' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>Request timed out.

'Request' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>Request timed out.

'Request' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>

===================================

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXX>tracert msnews.microsoft.com

Tracing route to msnews.microsoft.com [207.46.248.16]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1

2 20 ms 22 ms 22 ms 222.123.184.1

3 * * * Request timed out.

4 * * * Request timed out.

5 23 ms 22 ms 23 ms mx-ll-58.147.0-25.tttmaxnet.com

[58.147.0.25]

6 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms mx-ll-58.147.0-86.tttmaxnet.com

[58.147.0.86]

7 37 ms 23 ms 23 ms mx-ll-58.147.0-54.tttmaxnet.com

[58.147.0.54]

8 25 ms 22 ms 23 ms mx-ll-58.147.0-106.tttmaxnet.com

[58.147.0.106]

9 57 ms 55 ms 55 ms if-2-0-1.core2.S9R-Singapore.teleglobe.net

[209.

58.96.45]

10 125 ms 124 ms 125 ms if-0-0-0-734.core1.TV2-Tokyo.teleglobe.net

[209.

58.96.38]

11 353 ms 283 ms 399 ms if-2-1.mcore3.PDI-PaloAlto.teleglobe.net

[216.6.

29.17]

12 265 ms 265 ms 265 ms if-6-0.core2.SEP-Seattle.teleglobe.net

[66.110.6

4.5]

13 259 ms 260 ms 260 ms ix-5-1.core2.SEP-Seattle.teleglobe.net

[66.110.6

4.22]

14 265 ms 266 ms 266 ms ge-1-3-0-56.wst-64cb-1a.ntwk.msn.net

[207.46.36.

173]

15 266 ms 266 ms 265 ms ge-6-1-0-0.tuk-64cb-1a.ntwk.msn.net

[207.46.35.2

]

16 269 ms 267 ms 267 ms ge-7-0-0-0.tuk-64cb-1b.ntwk.msn.net

[207.46.41.7

8]

17 265 ms 266 ms 266 ms ten1-2.tuk-76c-1a.ntwk.msn.net

[207.46.44.50]

18 * * * Request timed out.

19 * * * Request timed out.

20 * * * Request timed out.

21 * * * Request timed out.

22 * * * Request timed out.

23 * * * Request timed out.

24 * * * Request timed out.

25 * * * Request timed out.

26 * * * Request timed out.

27 * * * Request timed out.

28 * * * Request timed out.

29 * * * Request timed out.

30 * * * Request timed out.

Trace complete.

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