Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

June 17, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Hi Tim.

In-line response.

"Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

news:dtoc545rvr6mn9sce9cq2597jb91eh8rmn@4ax.com...

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote:

>

>>My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>>connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP)

>>who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>

>>Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable downloading/sending

>>messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) the

>>Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>

> There's no problem with your computer then. There is very little

> difference to your computer in using your web browser versus accessing

> an NNTP server. If you have a problem with the newsgroups but not with

> the browser or email, then it's overwhelmingly likely that it's the

> NNTP server that has a problem, not you. So you have two choices:

> somehow harass your ISP into fixing their NNTP server, or find another

> one.

>

Thanks for the information. It is comforting to know that my computer isn't

the culprit.

>>I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>>existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to

>>Newsgroups.

>

> First off: is the NNTP server you're trying to use the one offered by

> your ISP (assuming they offer one, not all do). If it's on a different

> network - for example, if you're using your DSL connection to try to

> access the NNTP server on your dial-up providers network - then you

> are probably being locked out by the dial-up provider. ISPs who run

> NNTP servers generally allow access only from their own networks, not

> from anyplace on the net.

>

I am subscribed to two (2) ISP's.

One ISP is providing me with a dial-up connection. The other ISP is

providing me with an ADLS connection.

I use either Windows Live Mail or 40tude Dialog as Newsreaders and subscribe

directly to various newsgroups.

The names of News Server I am currently using are:

msnews.microsoft.com

news.aioe.org

and

privatenews.microsoft.com

The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

For the last 9 months I access Newsgroups using the ISP who is providing the

ADSL connection exclusively. There was no reason for me to use the ISP who

is providing the dial-up connection.

I only use the dial-up connection since experiencing problems with the ISP

who is providing the ADSL connection.

June 17, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Hi Ibex,

not sure about Thailand but in most places, including Malaysia and Hong

Kong, most ISPs have a user forum if your ISP has such a thing then check

with other members - hard to believe that an ISP could stay in business if

the blocked the newsport, 119

You might also want to have a look here

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/f17.html, it seems

fairly active forum and I see posts re Maxnet.

--

TUT

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

news:B5B6A3BC-35ED-43CD-98BE-9964E0E54D19@microsoft.com...

> Gary,

> FYI, I tried this as well:

> (1)

> telnet news.grc.com 119

> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

>

> C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>telnet news.grc.com 119

> Connecting To news.grc.com...Could not open connection to the host, on

> port 119: Connect failed

>

> (2)

> telnet news.aioe.org 119

> 200 aioe.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.4.4 (20080128 snapshot) ready

> (posting ok).

> Connection to host lost.

>

> (3)

> telnet privatenews.microsoft.com 119

> 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

>

> Rgds,

>

> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

> news:ut0MJ$0zIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Interesting. At least we now know that port 119 is not blocked.

>> I don't have any other suggestions at this point.

>> --

>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>

>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>> news:835D8B71-643A-42D8-8D72-6BBE885524BD@microsoft.com...

>>> Here is what I got:

>>>

>>> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

>>> "

>>>

>>> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection

>>> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up

>>> connection using a different ISP.

>>> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem?

>>> Rgds,

>>>

>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

>>> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

>>>> go to a Command Prompt and try

>>>>

>>>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>>>>

>>>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

>>>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

>>>> --

>>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>>>

>>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>>>>> Hi PA Bear.

>>>>>

>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as

>>>>>> your News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL

>>>>>> ISP when you posted.

>>>>>

>>>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This

>>>>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when

>>>>>> accessing newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which

>>>>>> your ISP may or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g.,

>>>>>> news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>>>>

>>>>> The names of News Server are:

>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com

>>>>> news.aioe.org

>>>>> and

>>>>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>>>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>>>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver?

>>>>>> => http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password

>>>>>> required)

>>>>>

>>>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>>>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>>>>

>>>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP

>>>>> who provides ADSL connection.

>>>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>>>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a

>>>>>>> dial-up

>>>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>>>>> (ISP)

>>>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>>>>> downloading/sending

>>>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing

>>>>>>> (browsing) the

>>>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>>>>> problem,

>>>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>>>>> replacing

>>>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a

>>>>>>> 'Linksys

>>>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could

>>>>>>> not find

>>>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then

>>>>>>> connected my

>>>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access

>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>> any problems.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection

>>>>>>> and as

>>>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>>>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the

>>>>>>> access to

>>>>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices

>>>>>>> but they

>>>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>>>>> connect

>>>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port

>>>>>>> 119 and

>>>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that

>>>>>>> all this

>>>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>>>>> advise

>>>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>>>>>>> wrong

>>>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies

>>>>>>> somewhere else

>>>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>>>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>>>>> settings

>>>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to

>>>>>>> fix the

>>>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>>>>> TIA.

>>>>>>

June 17, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote:

>I am subscribed to two (2) ISP's.

>One ISP is providing me with a dial-up connection. The other ISP is

>providing me with an ADLS connection.

>I use either Windows Live Mail or 40tude Dialog as Newsreaders and subscribe

>directly to various newsgroups.

>The names of News Server I am currently using are:

>msnews.microsoft.com

>news.aioe.org

>and

>privatenews.microsoft.com

>The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

They sure aren't!

>For the last 9 months I access Newsgroups using the ISP who is providing the

>ADSL connection exclusively. There was no reason for me to use the ISP who

>is providing the dial-up connection.

>I only use the dial-up connection since experiencing problems with the ISP

>who is providing the ADSL connection.

Well then, I guess it's either your ISP or a firewall on your

computer. Since you can access the server through the dial-up ISP (as

I understand), that kind of leaves the ADSL ISP. Ugh!

--

Tim Slattery

MS MVP(Shell/User)

Slattery_T@bls.gov

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

June 17, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message news:8CDDA2DC-A678-457B-9D11-EF715C3C21BB@microsoft.com...

>

> Please find below Ping and Tracert results:

>

> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

>

> C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>ping msnews.microsoft.com

>

> Pinging msnews.microsoft.com [207.46.248.16] with 32 bytes of data:

>

> Request timed out.

>

> Ping statistics for 207.46.248.16:

> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

Useless test. Microsoft's servers generally don't respond to ping or traceroute.

--

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

June 17, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Also try http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/seasiabb

Urbane.Tiger wrote:

> Hi Ibex,

>

> not sure about Thailand but in most places, including Malaysia and Hong

> Kong, most ISPs have a user forum if your ISP has such a thing then check

> with other members - hard to believe that an ISP could stay in business if

> the blocked the newsport, 119

>

> You might also want to have a look here

> http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/f17.html, it seems

> fairly active forum and I see posts re Maxnet.

>

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

> news:B5B6A3BC-35ED-43CD-98BE-9964E0E54D19@microsoft.com...

>> Gary,

>> FYI, I tried this as well:

>> (1)

>> telnet news.grc.com 119

>> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

>>

>> C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>telnet news.grc.com 119

>> Connecting To news.grc.com...Could not open connection to the host, on

>> port 119: Connect failed

>>

>> (2)

>> telnet news.aioe.org 119

>> 200 aioe.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.4.4 (20080128 snapshot) ready

>> (posting ok).

>> Connection to host lost.

>>

>> (3)

>> telnet privatenews.microsoft.com 119

>> 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

>>

>> Rgds,

>>

>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:ut0MJ$0zIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Interesting. At least we now know that port 119 is not blocked.

>>> I don't have any other suggestions at this point.

>>> --

>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>>

>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>> news:835D8B71-643A-42D8-8D72-6BBE885524BD@microsoft.com...

>>>> Here is what I got:

>>>>

>>>> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

>>>> "

>>>>

>>>> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection

>>>> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by

>>>> dial-up

>>>> connection using a different ISP.

>>>> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem?

>>>> Rgds,

>>>>

>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

>>>> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

>>>>> go to a Command Prompt and try

>>>>>

>>>>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>>>>>

>>>>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

>>>>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

>>>>> --

>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>>>>

>>>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>>>>>> Hi PA Bear.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>>>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>>>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as

>>>>>>> your News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL

>>>>>>> ISP when you posted.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post

>>>>>> "(This

>>>>>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when

>>>>>>> accessing newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which

>>>>>>> your ISP may or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g.,

>>>>>>> news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The names of News Server are:

>>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com

>>>>>> news.aioe.org

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>>>>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>>>>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver?

>>>>>>> => http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password

>>>>>>> required)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>>>>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>>>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP

>>>>>> who provides ADSL connection.

>>>>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>>>>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a

>>>>>>>> dial-up

>>>>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>>>>>> (ISP)

>>>>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>>>>>> downloading/sending

>>>>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing

>>>>>>>> (browsing) the

>>>>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>>>>>> problem,

>>>>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>>>>>> replacing

>>>>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a

>>>>>>>> 'Linksys

>>>>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could

>>>>>>>> not find

>>>>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then

>>>>>>>> connected my

>>>>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access

>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>> any problems.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection

>>>>>>>> and as

>>>>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups

>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that

>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the

>>>>>>>> access to

>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices

>>>>>>>> but they

>>>>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>>>>>> connect

>>>>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port

>>>>>>>> 119 and

>>>>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that

>>>>>>>> all this

>>>>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>>>>>> advise

>>>>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I

>>>>>>>> am

>>>>>>>> wrong

>>>>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies

>>>>>>>> somewhere else

>>>>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to

>>>>>>>> provide

>>>>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>>>>>> settings

>>>>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either

>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> fix the

>>>>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

>>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>>>>>> TIA.

June 17, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

news:8CDDA2DC-A678-457B-9D11-EF715C3C21BB@microsoft.com...

>> Does 40tude have any better diagnostics than either OE or WLMail?

> Please check your Internet connection settings.

> If you have a firewall installed, check that the application

> avp.exe is allowed internet access.

Given your symptoms that is good advice.

>> Alternatively you could use netcap and Ethereal to see exactly what

>> is going on.

>>

> I am not familiar with netcap and Ethereal :(

Well Google or Live Search can help with that. ; )

BTW newer versions of Ethereal are apparently called WireShark.

>

>> In any case, a better simulation of what happens before you see

>> any logging by the Microsoft products would be to issue a LIST

>> command.

> The LIST command produces an extremely very large database. In order not to

> give you too much information I post data which I think is relevant. Please

> note that microsoft.public.windowsxp.general is not on this (alphabetically

> ordered) list.

Perhaps telnet got overrun? ; )

More significantly, did you try using the option which would

prevent WLMail from trying to use the LIST command?

If anything I suspect this is more indication that your problems

are most likely due to a firewall blockage. Otherwise why can

you simulate with telnet what you would like either app to do?

HTH

Robert

---

June 18, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Hi again Ibex

This is all very puzzling. . . I'm wondering if it's possible it's not

your ISP but perhaps another piece of software interfering. Just a shot

in the dark, but do you by any chance use an IP blocker such as

PeerGuardian? I've seen reports of that blocking port 119.

--

Nightowl

June 19, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

No, I don't use an IP blocker. The situation is very puzzling indeed. I have

not received one technical response from the ISP, even though sending

numerous e-mail messages requesting assistance.

Cheers...

"Nightowl" <owl@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message

news:aeyNTUbZaUWIFwp9@black.hole...

> Hi again Ibex

>

> This is all very puzzling. . . I'm wondering if it's possible it's not

> your ISP but perhaps another piece of software interfering. Just a shot in

> the dark, but do you by any chance use an IP blocker such as PeerGuardian?

> I've seen reports of that blocking port 119.

> --

> Nightowl

June 19, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Thanks, UT. Have contacted the forum as suggested.

Cheers...

"Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@live.com.au> wrote in message

news:zZmdnZMkDf9FPcrVnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@giganews.com...

> Hi Ibex,

>

> not sure about Thailand but in most places, including Malaysia and Hong

> Kong, most ISPs have a user forum if your ISP has such a thing then check

> with other members - hard to believe that an ISP could stay in business if

> the blocked the newsport, 119

>

> You might also want to have a look here

> http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/f17.html, it seems

> fairly active forum and I see posts re Maxnet.

> --

> TUT

>

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

> news:B5B6A3BC-35ED-43CD-98BE-9964E0E54D19@microsoft.com...

>> Gary,

>> FYI, I tried this as well:

>> (1)

>> telnet news.grc.com 119

>> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

>>

>> C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>telnet news.grc.com 119

>> Connecting To news.grc.com...Could not open connection to the host, on

>> port 119: Connect failed

>>

>> (2)

>> telnet news.aioe.org 119

>> 200 aioe.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.4.4 (20080128 snapshot) ready

>> (posting ok).

>> Connection to host lost.

>>

>> (3)

>> telnet privatenews.microsoft.com 119

>> 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

>>

>> Rgds,

>>

>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:ut0MJ$0zIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Interesting. At least we now know that port 119 is not blocked.

>>> I don't have any other suggestions at this point.

>>> --

>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>>

>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>> news:835D8B71-643A-42D8-8D72-6BBE885524BD@microsoft.com...

>>>> Here is what I got:

>>>>

>>>> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

>>>> "

>>>>

>>>> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection

>>>> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by

>>>> dial-up connection using a different ISP.

>>>> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem?

>>>> Rgds,

>>>>

>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

>>>> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

>>>>> go to a Command Prompt and try

>>>>>

>>>>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>>>>>

>>>>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

>>>>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

>>>>> --

>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>>>>

>>>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>>>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>>>>>> Hi PA Bear.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>>>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>>>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as

>>>>>>> your News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL

>>>>>>> ISP when you posted.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post

>>>>>> "(This messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when

>>>>>>> accessing newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which

>>>>>>> your ISP may or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g.,

>>>>>>> news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The names of News Server are:

>>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com

>>>>>> news.aioe.org

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>>>>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>>>>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver?

>>>>>>> => http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password

>>>>>>> required)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>>>>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>>>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP

>>>>>> who provides ADSL connection.

>>>>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>>>>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a

>>>>>>>> dial-up

>>>>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>>>>>> (ISP)

>>>>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>>>>>> downloading/sending

>>>>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing

>>>>>>>> (browsing) the

>>>>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>>>>>> problem,

>>>>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>>>>>> replacing

>>>>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a

>>>>>>>> 'Linksys

>>>>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could

>>>>>>>> not find

>>>>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then

>>>>>>>> connected my

>>>>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access

>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>> any problems.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection

>>>>>>>> and as

>>>>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups

>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that

>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the

>>>>>>>> access to

>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices

>>>>>>>> but they

>>>>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>>>>>> connect

>>>>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port

>>>>>>>> 119 and

>>>>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that

>>>>>>>> all this

>>>>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>>>>>> advise

>>>>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I

>>>>>>>> am wrong

>>>>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies

>>>>>>>> somewhere else

>>>>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to

>>>>>>>> provide

>>>>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>>>>>> settings

>>>>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either

>>>>>>>> to fix the

>>>>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

>>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>>>>>> TIA.

>>>>>>>

June 19, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

Yes, I am pretty sure the (ADSL) ISP plays a major part in blocking NNTP.

I've sent numerous e-mail messages requesting assistance/clarification but

no technical response whatsoever. It's frustrating, really.

Cheers...

"Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message

news:k1df54tp69m3mocqhvns3ccdmh2gc9plc6@4ax.com...

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote:

>

>>I am subscribed to two (2) ISP's.

>>One ISP is providing me with a dial-up connection. The other ISP is

>>providing me with an ADLS connection.

>>I use either Windows Live Mail or 40tude Dialog as Newsreaders and

>>subscribe

>>directly to various newsgroups.

>>The names of News Server I am currently using are:

>>msnews.microsoft.com

>>news.aioe.org

>>and

>>privatenews.microsoft.com

>>The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>

> They sure aren't!

>

>>For the last 9 months I access Newsgroups using the ISP who is providing

>>the

>>ADSL connection exclusively. There was no reason for me to use the ISP who

>>is providing the dial-up connection.

>>I only use the dial-up connection since experiencing problems with the ISP

>>who is providing the ADSL connection.

>

> Well then, I guess it's either your ISP or a firewall on your

> computer. Since you can access the server through the dial-up ISP (as

> I understand), that kind of leaves the ADSL ISP. Ugh!

>

> --

> Tim Slattery

> MS MVP(Shell/User)

> Slattery_T@bls.gov

> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

June 21, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

I finally received a call from a competent (MaxNet ISP) technician. He was

able to fix this problem and I am (again) able to access NNTP based

Newsgroups. It seems the fault was somehow generated by the ISP after all,

which I suspected all along. I had to unplug the power connection of the

router and disconnect the phone line for about 3 minutes or so, during this

time the technician implemented some 'adjustments' at the

ISP head offices. When pressing him for details he said that there was a

'synchronization' issue with phone connection.

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

news:842B2575-1A16-4A02-B2B9-5D1DEF46C036@microsoft.com...

> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP)

> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>

> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable downloading/sending

> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) the

> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>

> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

> problem, in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

> replacing the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a

> 'Linksys WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>

> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not find

> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected my

> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went without

> any problems.

>

> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and as

> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

> retrieving/sending messages.

> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>

> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to

> Newsgroups.

>

> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

> they don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

> connect to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port

> 119 and the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>

> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

> this is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>

> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and advise

> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am wrong

> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere else

> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

> settings of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either

> to fix the problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

> without incurring any penalties.

> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

> TIA.

June 21, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

[Crossposted to WLM newsgroup]

Thanks for this follow-up.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net

DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Ibex wrote:

> I finally received a call from a competent (MaxNet ISP) technician. He was

> able to fix this problem and I am (again) able to access NNTP based

> Newsgroups. It seems the fault was somehow generated by the ISP after all,

> which I suspected all along. I had to unplug the power connection of the

> router and disconnect the phone line for about 3 minutes or so, during

> this

> time the technician implemented some 'adjustments' at the

> ISP head offices. When pressing him for details he said that there was a

> 'synchronization' issue with phone connection.

>

> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

> news:842B2575-1A16-4A02-B2B9-5D1DEF46C036@microsoft.com...

>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up

>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP)

>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>

>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>> downloading/sending

>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing)

>> the

>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>

>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>> problem, in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally

>> suggested

>> replacing the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a

>> 'Linksys WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>

>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not

>> find

>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected my

>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of

>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>> without

>> any problems.

>>

>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and as

>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and

>> retrieving/sending messages.

>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>

>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my

>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to

>> Newsgroups.

>>

>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but

>> they don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>> connect to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port

>> 119 and the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>

>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all

>> this is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>

>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>> advise

>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am

>> wrong

>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere

>> else

>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide

>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>> settings of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP

>> either

>> to fix the problem or get them to release me from my subscription

>> contract

>> without incurring any penalties.

>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>> TIA.

August 19, 2008

Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups.

I decided to follow up on Ibex's search for a resolution to his problem at http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/f17.html

So for those interested, Ibex reported in his thread at http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Maxnet-Network-News-Transfer-Prot-t195362.html&hl=nntp that his ADSL ISP finally resolved the problem from their end, indicating that it was a 'synchronisation' issue.

--

Cheers,

Peter

(Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)

"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare

---------------

"Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message news:68D7A235-8558-4881-908F-3225F23EAD3C@microsoft.com...

> Thanks, UT. Have contacted the forum as suggested.

> Cheers...

>

> "Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@live.com.au> wrote in message

> news:zZmdnZMkDf9FPcrVnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@giganews.com...

>> Hi Ibex,

>>

>> not sure about Thailand but in most places, including Malaysia and Hong

>> Kong, most ISPs have a user forum if your ISP has such a thing then check

>> with other members - hard to believe that an ISP could stay in business if

>> the blocked the newsport, 119

>>

>> You might also want to have a look here

>> http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/f17.html, it seems

>> fairly active forum and I see posts re Maxnet.

>> --

>> TUT

>>

>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>> news:B5B6A3BC-35ED-43CD-98BE-9964E0E54D19@microsoft.com...

>>> Gary,

>>> FYI, I tried this as well:

>>> (1)

>>> telnet news.grc.com 119

>>> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

>>>

>>> C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>telnet news.grc.com 119

>>> Connecting To news.grc.com...Could not open connection to the host, on

>>> port 119: Connect failed

>>>

>>> (2)

>>> telnet news.aioe.org 119

>>> 200 aioe.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.4.4 (20080128 snapshot) ready

>>> (posting ok).

>>> Connection to host lost.

>>>

>>> (3)

>>> telnet privatenews.microsoft.com 119

>>> 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

>>>

>>> Rgds,

>>>

>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

>>> news:ut0MJ$0zIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> Interesting. At least we now know that port 119 is not blocked.

>>>> I don't have any other suggestions at this point.

>>>> --

>>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>>>

>>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:835D8B71-643A-42D8-8D72-6BBE885524BD@microsoft.com...

>>>>> Here is what I got:

>>>>>

>>>>> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed

>>>>> "

>>>>>

>>>>> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection

>>>>> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by

>>>>> dial-up connection using a different ISP.

>>>>> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem?

>>>>> Rgds,

>>>>>

>>>>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message

>>>>> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows,

>>>>>> go to a Command Prompt and try

>>>>>>

>>>>>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server?

>>>>>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual.

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "Ibex" <capraibex@sea.com> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@microsoft.com...

>>>>>>> Hi PA Bear.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup:

>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop]

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General

>>>>>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft

>>>>>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as

>>>>>>>> your News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL

>>>>>>>> ISP when you posted.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post

>>>>>>> "(This messages is send using my dial-up connection)."

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when

>>>>>>>> accessing newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which

>>>>>>>> your ISP may or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g.,

>>>>>>>> news.MyNewISP.com)?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The names of News Server are:

>>>>>>> msnews.microsoft.com

>>>>>>> news.aioe.org

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> privatenews.microsoft.com

>>>>>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail.

>>>>>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver?

>>>>>>>> => http://news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password

>>>>>>>> required)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my

>>>>>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ &

>>>>>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP

>>>>>>> who provides ADSL connection.

>>>>>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a

>>>>>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Ibex wrote:

>>>>>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3.

>>>>>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a

>>>>>>>>> dial-up

>>>>>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider

>>>>>>>>> (ISP)

>>>>>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable

>>>>>>>>> downloading/sending

>>>>>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing

>>>>>>>>> (browsing) the

>>>>>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the

>>>>>>>>> problem,

>>>>>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested

>>>>>>>>> replacing

>>>>>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a

>>>>>>>>> 'Linksys

>>>>>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could

>>>>>>>>> not find

>>>>>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then

>>>>>>>>> connected my

>>>>>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access

>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went

>>>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>>> any problems.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up

>>>>>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection

>>>>>>>>> and as

>>>>>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> retrieving/sending messages.

>>>>>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection).

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that

>>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the

>>>>>>>>> access to

>>>>>>>>> Newsgroups.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices

>>>>>>>>> but they

>>>>>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups

>>>>>>>>> connect

>>>>>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port

>>>>>>>>> 119 and

>>>>>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that

>>>>>>>>> all this

>>>>>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and

>>>>>>>>> advise

>>>>>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I

>>>>>>>>> am wrong

>>>>>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies

>>>>>>>>> somewhere else

>>>>>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently.

>>>>>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to

>>>>>>>>> provide

>>>>>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the

>>>>>>>>> settings

>>>>>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either

>>>>>>>>> to fix the

>>>>>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract

>>>>>>>>> without

>>>>>>>>> incurring any penalties.

>>>>>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated.

>>>>>>>>> TIA.

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