Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

June 16, 2008

1: Windows XP is still for sale

http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

Others?

June 16, 2008

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

cheley_bonstell88@live.com wrote:

>

> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>

> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>

> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>

> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>

> Others?

Because it takes you 4 months to raise the funds to buy Vista ?

Because your Mom said ... "No, I will not give you $100"

June 16, 2008

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Because your archaic relic PC has no mission of running it?

June 16, 2008

RE: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

"cheley_bonstell88@live.com" wrote:

>

> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>

1.= Not 4 Long: (Monday, June 30th, 2008, Is The Drop Dead Date), Just FYI.

>

> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>

> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>

2.= Not 4 Long: (Again, Monday, June 30th, 2008 Is The Drop Dead Date, Also

Just FYI).

>

> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>

> Others?

>

3.= Sure Apple And Linux Are Reliable, But Some Programs Like IE 7, Office

2007, Windows One Care Live, Windows Defender, And Windows Media Player Will

Not Work With Those Operating Systems, With The Sole Exception Of Apple

(Apple Boot Camp, Which I Have Heard Is Not All That Easy 2 Set Up), Also

Just FYI.

June 16, 2008

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

> 2.= Not 4 Long: (Again, Monday, June 30th, 2008 Is The Drop Dead Date, Also

Not really. More like February 2009. See:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/06/06/early-end-to-windows-xp-orders_1.html?source=NLC-DAILY&cgd=2008-06-06

I do not know how to do a "foot note" in an eMail, so consider

the above link a footnote.

From the above article:

Some PC makers are taking care of that hassle for you. They'll

"downgrade" their business PCs to XP Professional, and ship you the

discs to install Vista later if you choose. (Microsoft requires that

they ship you those discs, as technically you bought a Vista PC, so you

can "upgrade" to Vista later under the same license.) Dell, HP, and

Lenovo will all offer the "downgrade" option on select business (and in

Dell's case, some high-end gaming-oriented systems) at an additional

cost. How long they'll make this option available is unclear, though.

Dell is committing only until February 2009 to have the "downgrade"

option available on its Vostro and select XPS lines of PCs, for example.

The "downgrade" option will not be available from either Best Buy or

Circuit City.

Businesses that have a Vista site license can also "downgrade" their

systems to XP, such as InfoWorld has previously outlined.

System builders -- those who make custom PCs, such as at local computer

repair shops -- can sell XP until February 2009. And XP will be

available on ultra-low-cost laptops and desktops until 2010.

-T

June 16, 2008

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Overall, I'm happy with my Vista. I've had Vista for 8 months. It was

installed on my new computer. I've had had no major problems. No reinstalls.

No blue screens. No big crashes. No malwares or viruses. Vista has some

quirks (as all OS do including Mac). In some case, problems were due to the

computer manufacturer's poor software installation and not Vista's fault.

I have 3 XP machines and they run FAST. But my Vista runs just as fast as

they do and in most cases- 15-25% faster.

I would advise against installing Vista in a computer that was originally

buit for XP a couple years ago. And you definetly need at least 2GB RAM. I

met a guy who is trying to run his Vista on an older computer with 512MB RAM

and complains that Vista runs slow. Duh.

The only reasons not to buy Vista are:

1) can't afford it.

2) don't want to put in the time to learn a new OS.

cheers.... ;)

"ToddAndMargo" wrote:

>

> > 2.= Not 4 Long: (Again, Monday, June 30th, 2008 Is The Drop Dead Date, Also

>

> Not really. More like February 2009. See:

> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/06/06/early-end-to-windows-xp-orders_1.html?source=NLC-DAILY&cgd=2008-06-06

>

> I do not know how to do a "foot note" in an eMail, so consider

> the above link a footnote.

>

> From the above article:

>

> Some PC makers are taking care of that hassle for you. They'll

> "downgrade" their business PCs to XP Professional, and ship you the

> discs to install Vista later if you choose. (Microsoft requires that

> they ship you those discs, as technically you bought a Vista PC, so you

> can "upgrade" to Vista later under the same license.) Dell, HP, and

> Lenovo will all offer the "downgrade" option on select business (and in

> Dell's case, some high-end gaming-oriented systems) at an additional

> cost. How long they'll make this option available is unclear, though.

> Dell is committing only until February 2009 to have the "downgrade"

> option available on its Vostro and select XPS lines of PCs, for example.

>

> The "downgrade" option will not be available from either Best Buy or

> Circuit City.

>

> Businesses that have a Vista site license can also "downgrade" their

> systems to XP, such as InfoWorld has previously outlined.

>

> System builders -- those who make custom PCs, such as at local computer

> repair shops -- can sell XP until February 2009. And XP will be

> available on ultra-low-cost laptops and desktops until 2010.

>

> -T

>

June 16, 2008

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Actually I have it running on a 2000 machine that has only a CPU upgrade

and new Video card and it works quite well. It also runs under

virtualbox (with Ubuntu as Host) at the same time as XP on the same

machine but of course you lose some graphics like Aero.

oscar wrote:

> Overall, I'm happy with my Vista. I've had Vista for 8 months. It was

> installed on my new computer. I've had had no major problems. No reinstalls.

> No blue screens. No big crashes. No malwares or viruses. Vista has some

> quirks (as all OS do including Mac). In some case, problems were due to the

> computer manufacturer's poor software installation and not Vista's fault.

>

> I have 3 XP machines and they run FAST. But my Vista runs just as fast as

> they do and in most cases- 15-25% faster.

>

> I would advise against installing Vista in a computer that was originally

> buit for XP a couple years ago. And you definetly need at least 2GB RAM. I

> met a guy who is trying to run his Vista on an older computer with 512MB RAM

> and complains that Vista runs slow. Duh.

>

> The only reasons not to buy Vista are:

> 1) can't afford it.

> 2) don't want to put in the time to learn a new OS.

>

> cheers.... ;)

>

> "ToddAndMargo" wrote:

>

>>> 2.= Not 4 Long: (Again, Monday, June 30th, 2008 Is The Drop Dead Date, Also

>> Not really. More like February 2009. See:

>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/06/06/early-end-to-windows-xp-orders_1.html?source=NLC-DAILY&cgd=2008-06-06

>>

>> I do not know how to do a "foot note" in an eMail, so consider

>> the above link a footnote.

>>

>> From the above article:

>>

>> Some PC makers are taking care of that hassle for you. They'll

>> "downgrade" their business PCs to XP Professional, and ship you the

>> discs to install Vista later if you choose. (Microsoft requires that

>> they ship you those discs, as technically you bought a Vista PC, so you

>> can "upgrade" to Vista later under the same license.) Dell, HP, and

>> Lenovo will all offer the "downgrade" option on select business (and in

>> Dell's case, some high-end gaming-oriented systems) at an additional

>> cost. How long they'll make this option available is unclear, though.

>> Dell is committing only until February 2009 to have the "downgrade"

>> option available on its Vostro and select XPS lines of PCs, for example.

>>

>> The "downgrade" option will not be available from either Best Buy or

>> Circuit City.

>>

>> Businesses that have a Vista site license can also "downgrade" their

>> systems to XP, such as InfoWorld has previously outlined.

>>

>> System builders -- those who make custom PCs, such as at local computer

>> repair shops -- can sell XP until February 2009. And XP will be

>> available on ultra-low-cost laptops and desktops until 2010.

>>

>> -T

>>

June 16, 2008

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

In article <3EA63471-E4F5-4839-8634-298AB8421266@microsoft.com>,

oscar <oscar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

>The only reasons not to buy Vista are:

>1) can't afford it.

>2) don't want to put in the time to learn a new OS.

>

Hmmm, let's see... 2GB ram $60.00, DX10 video card $60.00

OEM Vista $180.00 Three hundred bucks to...run as fast as XP...

I suggest reason #3: it's illogical.

June 16, 2008

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Actually I have it running on a 2000 machine that has only a CPU upgrade

> and new Video card and it works quite well. It also runs under

> virtualbox (with Ubuntu as Host) at the same time as XP on the same

> machine but of course you lose some graphics like Aero.

Mine is a Xeon 5130 running CentOS 5.1 and XFce 4.4.2 as the

base operating system and GUI. I run Windows under Virtual

Box as well. Xp, Vista, ReactOS, Bart PE so far.

XP-SP3 running fairly nice. Some what slower due to the virtual machine.

Vista drags. No Aero, but I don't like Aero anyway.

I like my OS to get out of the way and let me concentrate

on my applications. I despise "eye candy". Cute once, interesting

the second time, annoying the third ... If I want a

"multimedia experience", I will run a "multimedia application".

When I am tired of it, I will exit the program.

The application base is where XP reins supreme. Vista has

tons of problems with non-Microsoft applications (Quick Books,

UPS World Ship, yada, yada) not to mention it is slower running them.

The question one should ask is, will my O.S. run the applications

I need? Pick your O.S. this way. Do not pick your O.S. and then

go look for what will run on it.

My 2 Cents,

-T

June 16, 2008

Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:

>

> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>

> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>

> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>

> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>

> Others?

Reasons to buy Vista:

1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard

drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several

gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with

Vista.

2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit

support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among

others

3) Support for DirectX 10 games

4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating

server/development operating systems for desktops

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Victor wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:

>

>>

>> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>>

>> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>>

>> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>>

>> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>>

>> Others?

>

> Reasons to buy Vista:

>

> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard

> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several

> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with

> Vista.

You mean, turn that fancy new computer into a snail -- get Vista ME.

> 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit

> support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among

> others

And a lot peripherals when the old ones aren't supported.

> 3) Support for DirectX 10 games

Hell, if I want play games I'll buy a Wii or a PS3.

> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating

> server/development operating systems for desktops

Got news for you. Linux and XP users don't envy Vista ME users. Hell, a lot

of them *were* Vista ME users.

Get a new shtick.

--

RonB

"There's a story there...somewhere"

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Victor wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:

>

>>

>> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>>

>> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>>

>> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>>

>> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>>

>> Others?

>

> Reasons to buy Vista:

>

> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard

> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several

> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with

> Vista.

>

> 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit

> support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among

> others

>

> 3) Support for DirectX 10 games

>

> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating

> server/development operating systems for desktops

Reason Victor has Vista: to brag.

Alias

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

----- Original Message -----

From: "Victor" <victor@nospam.org>

> Reasons to buy Vista:

>

> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard

> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several

> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with

> Vista.

Well, got it all, but vista is still not fully functional.

But, you're so full of it, maybe you'll know;

Is it overall possible to reinstall services?

Esp: The Windows Driver Foundation - User-mode Driver Framework service

Is it possible to reinstall SP1? (without a deïnstall)

SP1 F'UP my WDF service.

How can you do a repair from cd if SP1 is installed and there is no sp1

media availible (dutch).

Still got XP-MCE preferred above Vista, why should MS care, so long

people buy the license, the money is in.

Verry conveniant to close down free support before releasing sp1....

Mk

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Victor schreef:

> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:

>

>>

>> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>>

>> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>>

>> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>>

>> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>>

>> Others?

>

> Reasons to buy Vista:

>

> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard

> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several

> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with

> Vista.

Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery

on Vista, even after SP1.

>

> 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit

> support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among

> others

new audio stack?

You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming

from DVD, blue ray, etc?

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Do you call that an improvement?

Also, M$ put a lot of effort into making 'protected hardware devices'

inaccessible for open source developers, making sure they cannot access

the hardware.

DO you call that an improvement?

>

> 3) Support for DirectX 10 games

>

> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating

> server/development operating systems for desktops

Piss off yourself. I am no fan of XP, but Vista is clearly worse.

You let M$ take away your own flexibility and freedom of choice, and are

happy with it. That makes you a drone.

Erwin Moller

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

* Victor peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Reasons to buy Vista:

>

> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating

> server/development operating systems for desktops

Yeah, why put server processes in a desktop machine? Desktop machines

are for buying CALs to connect to the server <grin>.

--

Security is, I would say, our top priority because for all the exciting

things you will be able to do with computers - organizing your lives,

staying in touch with people, being creative - if we don't solve these

security problems, then people will hold back.

-- Bill Gates

June 16, 2008

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

<cheley_bonstell88@live.com> wrote in message

news:79d9d25f-fc39-448a-98a9-7eb5b339b327@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...

>

> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>

> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>

> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>

> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>

> Others?

Lets see if we can complete the list:

4) XP is more compatible with software and hardware/driver than Vista

5) Less risk, what if you get a problematic Vista?

6) XP runs faster

7) XP plays more games

8) XP many be less expensive in the long term, less likely to need Ultimate

upgrades to get desired features (fax policy editor etc)

9) XP, assuming you are an XP user already, no need to learn the new

interface.

10) Win 7 is coming, it is likely there still will still be more XP users

come Win 7's introduction than Vista.

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Victor wrote:

> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating

> server/development operating systems for desktops

Ok, I'll buy a server with a full desktop GUI running all the time,

chewing up RAM and processor cycles instead. Ha ha ha. What a tail!

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Victor

<victor@nospam.org>

wrote

on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:13:58 -0500

<pan.2008.06.16.09.13.55.738079@nospam.org>:

> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:

>

>>

>> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>>

>> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>>

>> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>>

>> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>>

>> Others?

>

> Reasons to buy Vista:

>

> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard

> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several

> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with

> Vista.

>

> 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit

> support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among

> others

>

> 3) Support for DirectX 10 games

>

> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating

> server/development operating systems for desktops

5) Aero!

6) It's from Microsoft, a tried and true company. (They've

been tried, and a lot of the allegations are apparently true.)

7) There's nothing else, though Microsoft for some reason is

trying to delay the inevitable sunset of XP. Why, I

for one don't know, but a search for "Vista" coughs up

some interesting stuff.

8) Customers identify Microsoft Windows with "the computer",

so Vista's ascension is inevitable, since it's the latest

incarnation of Windows. Might as well get with the program.

9) It's preinstalled on most systems, in some form (there

are 9 editions, 5 of which are commonly available in the US,

if I'm not mistaken).

10) It's "free". Microsoft already got their money when the

unit was manufactured; never mind whether it actually gets

sold at some point.

--

#191, ewill3@earthlink.net

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item * f(item *p) { if(p = NULL) return new item; else return p; }

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June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 16, 3:26 am, Erwin Moller

<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:

> Victor schreef:

>

> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:

>

> >> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>

> >>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>

> >> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>

> >> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>

> >> Others?

>

> > Reasons to buy Vista:

>

> > 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard

> > drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several

> > gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with

> > Vista.

>

> Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery

> on Vista, even after SP1.

>

> > 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit

> > support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among

> > others

>

> new audio stack?

> You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming

> from DVD, blue ray, etc?

>

> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Thanks for the Gutmann reference. I had seen some other stuff of his,

and it's absolutely devastating. I wonder if Windows 7 will scale

back on the DRM, or make it worse. Looks like a lot of the trouble

with Vista is due to the DRM.

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Yep, I think it's clear that Microsoft got shafted by Hollywood over this DRM

deal. To the cost of many thousands of hours of coding work on what could

have been a great OS, had it been designed with performance instead of DRM as

the prime consideration.

Still I'm relieved that DRM has been so forcefully rejected by the

computer-buying public, after all the future of a DRM-laced computer industry

would have been a bleak one indeed.

On the same subject, we were discussing the issue of whether DVD encryption

and regionalization is at least partly responsible for the high levels of

piracy.

In the days of vinyl and VHS, there was an advantage in paying, in that you

got a better-quality product than by pirating. Now, the reverse is true. Pay,

and you get an inferior product, thanks to DRM.

The simple fact is, the DVD video format has very poor reliability.

Sticking, jumping, sudden restarts, inability to fast-forward, all are

extremely common. Many people still prefer VHS to DVD for this very reason,

the frequent failed playback of DVD being far more of an annoyance than poor

picture quality of VHS.

DivX/XviD copies on the other hand seldom suffer these annoying glitches. In

almost every way they are technically superior to the DRM-protected formats.

Even when burned to a data DVD, the DivX version is largely free from the

annoyances of the DVD-video version. Not only does it work with near-100%

reliability, it also gives a far better file-size to picture-quality ratio.

Now, convincing people that they have a moral responsibility to pay for what

they use is one thing, BUT convincing them to pay for a product that is in

every way inferior to the 'free' alternative is quite another. Piracy? No

wonder!

> > new audio stack?

> > You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming

> > from DVD, blue ray, etc?

> > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!

Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never

even ran Windows Vista!

Read the truth!

Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718

Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1

--

Carey Frisch

Microsoft MVP

Windows Desktop Experience -

Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

<nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote:

On Jun 16, 3:26 am, Erwin Moller

<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:

> Victor schreef:

>

> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:

>

> >> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>

> >>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>

> >> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>

> >> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>

> >> Others?

>

> > Reasons to buy Vista:

>

> > 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard

> > drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several

> > gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with

> > Vista.

>

> Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery

> on Vista, even after SP1.

>

> > 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit

> > support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among

> > others

>

> new audio stack?

> You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming

> from DVD, blue ray, etc?

>

> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Thanks for the Gutmann reference. I had seen some other stuff of his,

and it's absolutely devastating. I wonder if Windows 7 will scale

back on the DRM, or make it worse. Looks like a lot of the trouble

with Vista is due to the DRM.

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 16, 2:58 pm, "ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu"

<ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote:

> On Jun 16, 3:26 am, Erwin Moller

>

> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:

> > Victor schreef:

>

> > > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:

>

> > >> 1: Windows XP is still for sale

>

> > >>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>

> > >> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>

> > >> 3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>

> > >> Others?

>

> > > Reasons to buy Vista:

>

> > > 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard

> > > drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several

> > > gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with

> > > Vista.

>

> > Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery

> > on Vista, even after SP1.

>

> > > 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit

> > > support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among

> > > others

>

> > new audio stack?

> > You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming

> > from DVD, blue ray, etc?

>

> >http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

>

> Thanks for the Gutmann reference. I had seen some other stuff of his,

> and it's absolutely devastating. I wonder if Windows 7 will scale

> back on the DRM, or make it worse. Looks like a lot of the trouble

> with Vista is due to the DRM.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!

Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never

even ran Windows Vista!

Read the truth!

Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718

Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Carey Frisch [MVP]

<cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com>

wrote

on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:12:11 -0500

<eO6FpZA0IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>:

> The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!

> Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never

> even ran Windows Vista!

>

> Read the truth!

>

> Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718

>

> Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1

>

> Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284

>

> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299

>

> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1

>

> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1

>

It matters little. Vista is the Next Generation of Windows,

and will of course ultimately be accepted, if Windows 7

doesn't outshine it first. The adoption rate appears to

be about 5-7 years from its inception in early 2007 -- which

is slower than XP, but not that much slower.

Linux? Apart from the OSS community, it's hard to say

whether it will ever gain full acceptance on the desktop as

an equal, though its placement in the server realm is well

entrenched (though not absolute; Windows has been making a

fair amount of headway, though one wonders whether most of

it is because of deals with such as goDaddy) and there may

be a number of devices using it internally. Personally,

I think Linux desktops have been usable since the early

2000's, but then I'm an old Unix head.

That is one of Linux's problems, in fact; Windows is huge

and noisy, Linux small and almost invisible. Great for

operations, terrible for ad revenue; as someone once

stated, bad press is better than no press at all.

Windows gets a lot of press. Linux gets some, but I'm

not sure the average man-on-the-street will ever know

the ins and outs of Linux distros. But tell him about

Windows and he'll instantly know about ctrl-alt-delete

"fixing" problems, and he'll probably know a fair amount

about antiviral software as well.

One would hope for more sophistication but I suspect most

individuals think of the Internet as a more sophisticated

form of television, with the computer being the device to

display it.

There are disturbing parallels. The radio system at

one point was much like Usenet, but now is dominated

by syndication. The TV broadcast network is even worse.

Is the free Internet doomed? Or will the free part simply

be marginalized, with the bulk of the bandwidth going for

next years' TV shows and software specials?

Also, YouTube hasn't been the profit center Google anticipated;

YouTube is now also embroiled in at least one, possibly

several, copyright lawsuits.

Verizon has already clamped off the alt.* hierarchy,

pruning a branch to eliminate a diseased flower (probably

alt.binaries.erotica.bestiality.hamster.duct.tape and

other such, but I'd have to look). Or, perhaps more aptly,

taking a sledgehammer to attack a colony of moths or wasps.

Can't be too careful, I guess, with all that "pirated"

and offensive material going around -- some of which

might include opinions on certain regions wishing for

independence and/or actions by oppressive regimes, and

others including "stolen" TV shows and software.

Welcome to the New World Order.

--

#191, ewill3@earthlink.net

Useless C/C++ Programming Idea #992381111:

while(bit&BITMASK) ;

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

June 16, 2008

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

<Quote>

ZDNet’s George Ou Exposed as Ignorant Microsoft Shill (Zoon!)

The assault on reason isn’t just a political phenomenon. Microsoft has

long been developing its own cast of apologists who have eked out full

time careers in the field of sputtering out ignorant, unfounded claims

with such insistence and volume that the undecided simply have no

alternative but to line up and applaud their seemingly convincing

rhetoric. Among them is George Ou, who unsurprisingly blogs for CNET’s

ZDNet branded website.

ZDNet desperately needs ad revenue, and the best way to drive that is

to publish sensationalist headlines that catch the attention of

throngs of Diggers. It doesn’t matter that Digg users represent an

unattractive demographic from a real marketing perspective; traffic is

traffic for web click sites.

Take Microsoft’s need for constant, high pitched spin to detract from

its grave mistakes and regular failures and combine it with ZDNet’s

unapologetically desperate brand of sensational headline writing, and

you have fertile ground for arrogant morons ready and willing to say

anything and everything. High up on the moron pile is George Ou, a

blogger billed as a “Technical Director of ZDNet.”

</Quote>

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/24/zdnets-george-ou-exposed-as-ignorant-microsoft-shill-zoon/

June 17, 2008

Re: Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700 (PDT), cheley_bonstell88@live.com

wrote:

>

>1: Windows XP is still for sale

>

>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows%20XP&tabid=1

>

>2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed

>

>3:) There are other more reliable Operating systems available

>

>Others?

The same thing was said about XP when IT first came out. Yawn.

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