Win98 upgrade to SE

June 16, 2008

I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

versions of Windows.

Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files; (2) making the flash

drive usable?

Thanks.

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

Does the new computer have internet access, and if so, what kind? Broadband

cable, DSL, dial-up, what? If broadband, what kind of router and/or modem.

What version Windows is on the new computer?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

<technolady@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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>I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

> need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

> flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

> of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

> versions of Windows.

>

> Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files; (2) making the flash

> drive usable?

>

> Thanks.

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

Win98 = no usb

Win98SE = usb compatible, but some drivers are tricky to load, details vary.

My suggestion is the following -

Win98 Hard drive = Should be IDE, if so do the following.

1.) Purchase a USB to IDE drive adapter (about $20.00).

2.) Remove power cord first for safety, then remove hard drive from Win98

computer.

3.) Mount in drive in adapter.

4.) Connect adapter to USB port on your XP computer.

5.) Open up a My Computer window, find old hard drive.

6.) Drag and drop to your hearts content.

This also gives you a chance to format/wipe the drive. I tend to go in first

and delete the temporary files to reduce data transfer time, but if the drive

hasn't been scandisked in a while, it's best to grab what you can first w/o

disturbing the dive

If you want to save the $20 you can just mount the drive in your current

computer. It can take analysis of your current jumper settings (master/slave)

if you have other IDE drives, therefore a more detailed explanation is would

be needed, request if so. I don't know your skill level but these answers are

also findable in a Yahoo search.

Other ways:

- Install network adapter, transfer through home network.

- Buy/obtain a special parallel or serial cable, then install the appropriate

software (part of the early Windows products) and transfer data.

- Buy a ready made kit with cables and special software that attempts to make

it easy. (Check for Win98 compatibility)

{The coolest way - throw in any random network adapter, boot with a live

Linux disk, transfer through home network}

technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

>I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

>need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

>flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

>of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

>versions of Windows.

>

>Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files; (2) making the flash

>drive usable?

>

>Thanks.

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

> I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

> need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

> flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

> of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

> versions of Windows.

>

> Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files

1. Remove drive from old computer

2. Put drive in new computer after setting drive jumper to reflect the

position (master/slave)

3. Copy files

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June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

Gary --

New computer has Vista. Also have alternative new one that has XP.

It's OK to transfer files to either one.

Both have Internet access through a router and DSL line. Router is

Linksys; DSL modem is Westell Wirespeed.

Thanks.

On Jun 15, 9:50 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> Does the new computer have internet access, and if so, what kind? Broadband

> cable, DSL, dial-up, what? If broadband, what kind of router and/or modem.

>

> What version Windows is on the new computer?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com

>

> <technol...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>

> news:132cf2a1-278f-43d6-9cc3-18cbcc3c9b6a@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

>

> >I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

> > need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

> > flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

> > of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

> > versions of Windows.

>

> > Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files; (2) making the flash

> > drive usable?

>

> > Thanks.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

"Hackmaster" <u44236@uwe> wrote in message news:85be95571e63b@uwe...

> Win98 = no usb

> Win98SE = usb compatible, but some drivers are tricky to load, details vary.

> snip

Totally incorrect

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

http://dts-l.net/

http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

June 16, 2008

RE: Win98 upgrade to SE

You may want to try MSFN froums. They have a section devoted to 98/98SE/ME.

http:\\msfn.org\boards

DLSayre

"technolady@earthlink.net" wrote:

> I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

> need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

> flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

> of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

> versions of Windows.

>

> Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files; (2) making the flash

> drive usable?

>

> Thanks.

>

June 16, 2008

RE: Win98 upgrade to SE

"dlsayremn" wrote:

> You may want to try MSFN froums. They have a section devoted to 98/98SE/ME.

>

> http:\\msfn.org\boards

>

> DLSayre

>

additioal to above:

Some info I picked up using a quick search.

Data can be transferred between two computers using the dial-up modems

connected with a phone cord. Requires setting up Hypertext Terminal on both

computers. Maybe some here remembers how to do ti.

DLS

> "technolady@earthlink.net" wrote:

>

> > I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

> > need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

> > flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

> > of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

> > versions of Windows.

> >

> > Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files; (2) making the flash

> > drive usable?

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

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> technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

> > I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

> > need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

> > flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

> > of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

> > versions of Windows.

> >

> > Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files

>

> 1. Remove drive from old computer

>

> 2. Put drive in new computer after setting drive jumper to reflect the

> position (master/slave)

>

> 3. Copy files

>

Yep.

If you don't mind fooling with h/w that's often the easiest route to go.

Otherwise, networking the machines is another possibility.

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

glee wrote:

> "Hackmaster" <u44236@uwe> wrote in message news:85be95571e63b@uwe...

>> Win98 = no usb

>> Win98SE = usb compatible, but some drivers are tricky to load, details

>> vary.

>> snip

>

> Totally incorrect

Totally incorrect?? You mean (for example) that Win98 FE has at least

some USB support in it? (I can't recall now)

I thought that USB support was either added (or maybe just extended) in

Win98SE. (But albeit *nothing* like the USB support that was put into

WinME.

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Totally incorrect?? You mean (for example) that Win98 FE has at least

>some USB support in it? (I can't recall now)

>

>I thought that USB support was either added (or maybe just extended) in

>Win98SE. (But albeit *nothing* like the USB support that was put into

>WinME.

USB support first appeared in Win95 OSR2. It wasn't very good, and not

very many USB devices ever supported that OS. It was much improved in

Win98 (FE), but they didn't really nail it until Win98SE. *Lots* of

USB devices that came out around that time specified Win98SE as a

minimum requirement.

--

Tim Slattery

MS MVP(Shell/User)

Slattery_T@bls.gov

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

Get a cheap network adapter and put it into the 98 machine and network it.

If you have any problems, post back. (There are other methods of networking

that work but are a total pain to set up and use.)

Or there's the other suggestions of simply putting the old hard drive into

the new machine, but I'd want to know the make/model of both new machines

(or motherboard) to say just how easy it might be for either.

Or, while it's iffy, there's this info from Glen Ventura. Might get a flash

drive to work in that machine:

********************************

Install the so-called Native USB Mass Storage Driver:

http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php

http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/win98se-usb-mass-storage-drivers.php

I suggest the version 2.x drivers for your older system with no USB 2.0

support:

http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/drivers/nusb24e.exe

To install the version 2.x drivers:

Download the exe file to the desktop

Remove ALL drivers for USB flash drives in Device Manager

Remove ALL unknown devices from Device Manager

Run the exe file you downloaded, and follow the instructions, rebooting

after

installation

**************************

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

<technolady@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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Gary --

New computer has Vista. Also have alternative new one that has XP.

It's OK to transfer files to either one.

Both have Internet access through a router and DSL line. Router is

Linksys; DSL modem is Westell Wirespeed.

Thanks.

On Jun 15, 9:50 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> Does the new computer have internet access, and if so, what kind?

> Broadband

> cable, DSL, dial-up, what? If broadband, what kind of router and/or modem.

>

> What version Windows is on the new computer?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/Userhttp://grystmill.com

>

> <technol...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>

> news:132cf2a1-278f-43d6-9cc3-18cbcc3c9b6a@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

>

> >I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

> > need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

> > flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

> > of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

> > versions of Windows.

>

> > Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files; (2) making the flash

> > drive usable?

>

> > Thanks.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

To both Hackmaster and DadiOH... Putting an IDE hard drive into almost any

of the newer machines isn't always easy, or even possible. Even if you

manage to connect it to the PATA connector, strange things happen that

require different settings in BIOS, and it can get weird, to say the least.

New external enclosure won't work, either, since it has the same problem as

the flash drives. Next to no USB support.

Networking is the way to go, IMO.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

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> technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

>> I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

>> need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

>> flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

>> of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

>> versions of Windows.

>>

>> Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files

>

> 1. Remove drive from old computer

>

> 2. Put drive in new computer after setting drive jumper to reflect the

> position (master/slave)

>

> 3. Copy files

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

Putting old IDE with PATA connectors into many or most new machines is a

royal PITA. The PATA connections aren't really intended for hard drives,

only for Optical drives, though there are usually ways to tweak the BIOS to

make things work. Easier thing to do is get a PCI card controller--if

there's room for one.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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>

> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

> news:uTxC5s5zIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

>> > I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

>> > need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

>> > flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

>> > of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

>> > versions of Windows.

>> >

>> > Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files

>>

>> 1. Remove drive from old computer

>>

>> 2. Put drive in new computer after setting drive jumper to reflect the

>> position (master/slave)

>>

>> 3. Copy files

>>

>

> Yep.

> If you don't mind fooling with h/w that's often the easiest route to go.

>

> Otherwise, networking the machines is another possibility.

>

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> To both Hackmaster and DadiOH... Putting an IDE hard drive into almost any of the

> newer machines isn't always easy, or even possible. Even if you manage to connect

> it to the PATA connector, strange things happen that

> require different settings in BIOS, and it can get weird, to say the least.

>

> New external enclosure won't work, either, since it has the same problem as the

> flash drives. Next to no USB support.

>

> Networking is the way to go, IMO.

As long as you're networking the 98 machine with the XP machine, it's the way to go.

Trying to network a 98 system with a Vista system is not worth the effort, if you

can get it to work at all. You may get the Vista system to copy from the 98 system,

but don't even bother trying to look the other way....at least in my experience it

has been a mess.

Have you had any luck with a Vista--98 network?

> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

> news:uTxC5s5zIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

>>> I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

>>> need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

>>> flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

>>> of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

>>> versions of Windows.

>>>

>>> Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files

>>

>> 1. Remove drive from old computer

>>

>> 2. Put drive in new computer after setting drive jumper to reflect the position

>> (master/slave)

>>

>> 3. Copy files

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

http://dts-l.net/

http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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> Putting old IDE with PATA connectors into many or most new machines is a

> royal PITA. The PATA connections aren't really intended for hard drives,

> only for Optical drives, though there are usually ways to tweak the BIOS

to

> make things work. Easier thing to do is get a PCI card controller--if

> there's room for one.

>

I do it all the time and there is no problem unless the cable (as shown

here)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Attachment

has one of the holes blocked and the HD has a pin there.

If I run into that I just grab an old 40 wire cable and use it.

Though data transfer time may be a little slower...

for a one time data transfer it should not be a major problem

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> news:OpRk%23E%23zIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> >

> > "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

> > news:uTxC5s5zIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> >> technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

> >> > I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

> >> > need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

> >> > flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires

download

> >> > of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

> >> > versions of Windows.

> >> >

> >> > Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files

> >>

> >> 1. Remove drive from old computer

> >>

> >> 2. Put drive in new computer after setting drive jumper to reflect the

> >> position (master/slave)

> >>

> >> 3. Copy files

> >>

> >

> > Yep.

> > If you don't mind fooling with h/w that's often the easiest route to go.

> >

> > Otherwise, networking the machines is another possibility.

> >

>

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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| glee wrote:

| > "Hackmaster" <u44236@uwe> wrote in message news:85be95571e63b@uwe...

| >> Win98 = no usb

| >> Win98SE = usb compatible, but some drivers are tricky to load,

details

| >> vary.

| >> snip

| >

| > Totally incorrect

|

| Totally incorrect?? You mean (for example) that Win98 FE has at

least

| some USB support in it? (I can't recall now)

|

| I thought that USB support was either added (or maybe just extended) in

| Win98SE. (But albeit *nothing* like the USB support that was put into

| WinME.

What is Win98FE ?

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

You just plug it in and it works? Or are there not certain BIOS settings to

change? I tell you, my ASUS P5B was a PITA to set up when I was trying to do

just this operation. Can't recall the details now, but after a few hours, I

dug up Promise card, instead, since I needed the single PATA connector for

my optical drives.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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>

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:utlwW9$zIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Putting old IDE with PATA connectors into many or most new machines is a

>> royal PITA. The PATA connections aren't really intended for hard drives,

>> only for Optical drives, though there are usually ways to tweak the BIOS

> to

>> make things work. Easier thing to do is get a PCI card controller--if

>> there's room for one.

>>

>

> I do it all the time and there is no problem unless the cable (as shown

> here)

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Attachment

> has one of the holes blocked and the HD has a pin there.

> If I run into that I just grab an old 40 wire cable and use it.

>

> Though data transfer time may be a little slower...

> for a one time data transfer it should not be a major problem

>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

>> news:OpRk%23E%23zIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> >

>> > "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

>> > news:uTxC5s5zIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> >> technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

>> >> > I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and

>> >> > i

>> >> > need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

>> >> > flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires

> download

>> >> > of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

>> >> > versions of Windows.

>> >> >

>> >> > Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files

>> >>

>> >> 1. Remove drive from old computer

>> >>

>> >> 2. Put drive in new computer after setting drive jumper to reflect the

>> >> position (master/slave)

>> >>

>> >> 3. Copy files

>> >>

>> >

>> > Yep.

>> > If you don't mind fooling with h/w that's often the easiest route to

>> > go.

>> >

>> > Otherwise, networking the machines is another possibility.

>> >

>>

>

June 16, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

Windows 98 First Edition (though it wasn't actually called that.)

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MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

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>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:O0DOei%23zIHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | glee wrote:

> | > "Hackmaster" <u44236@uwe> wrote in message news:85be95571e63b@uwe...

> | >> Win98 = no usb

> | >> Win98SE = usb compatible, but some drivers are tricky to load,

> details

> | >> vary.

> | >> snip

> | >

> | > Totally incorrect

> |

> | Totally incorrect?? You mean (for example) that Win98 FE has at

> least

> | some USB support in it? (I can't recall now)

> |

> | I thought that USB support was either added (or maybe just extended) in

> | Win98SE. (But albeit *nothing* like the USB support that was put into

> | WinME.

>

> What is Win98FE ?

>

June 17, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

Mostly all figured out with Ultimate, but I suspect there may be differences

in lesser versions when it comes to ease of setting up a workgroup. Here's

the main trick:

http://help.lockergnome.com/windows2/Vista-network-problem-ftopict482765.html

There's a post near the bottom from Gloria Boyer, MSFT, that explains the

issue is authentication. Vista is configured out of the box to use *only*

NTLM2 for authentication. For domain-controlled networks (I don't think it

works for Workgroups, though I'm still looking into that), what you do is

install DSClient and then add an entry to the Registry that makes the

authentication NTLM2-only. (See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/239869).

But what worked for me is to change Vista to accept NTLM(1) as per Steve

Winograd's solution:

http://help.lockergnome.com/windows2/WinMe-Vista-glitch-ftopict484703.html

Major problem with this method is that while I (and others who have

reported) can see Vista's shared folders from Win98 (Gold, fully updated, no

DSClient or Registry tweak), there are two shares that you can't touch

(total freeze.) They are Vista's built in shares called "Users" and

"Public". Why, I don't know, but I'm still playing with it.

Anyway, if you want to transfer any or ALL of the data from a Win98 machine

to the Vista machine, create a folder on the Vista machine (not on the

Desktop, where you can't apparently share folders for some reason), share

it, and then do Steve's two tweaks. The folder should then be totally

available to the Win98 machine.

Other things to remember: There must exist a User on the Vista machine with

exactly the same username and password you use to log onto your Win9x

machine. And any time you mess with network settings on the Vista machine,

for some weird reason, to finish the job you may have to go to the Users

applet and "change" your password. DON'T actually change it, just put in the

same old password three times and click OK (or whatever -- I can't see Vista

while I write because it's dual-booted on this machine and I'm not moving my

mail over there.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

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> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:uO7gZ6$zIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> To both Hackmaster and DadiOH... Putting an IDE hard drive into almost

>> any of the newer machines isn't always easy, or even possible. Even if

>> you manage to connect it to the PATA connector, strange things happen

>> that

>> require different settings in BIOS, and it can get weird, to say the

>> least.

>>

>> New external enclosure won't work, either, since it has the same problem

>> as the flash drives. Next to no USB support.

>>

>> Networking is the way to go, IMO.

>

> As long as you're networking the 98 machine with the XP machine, it's the

> way to go.

>

> Trying to network a 98 system with a Vista system is not worth the effort,

> if you can get it to work at all. You may get the Vista system to copy

> from the 98 system, but don't even bother trying to look the other

> way....at least in my experience it has been a mess.

>

> Have you had any luck with a Vista--98 network?

>

>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

>> news:uTxC5s5zIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

>>>> I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

>>>> need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

>>>> flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

>>>> of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

>>>> versions of Windows.

>>>>

>>>> Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files

>>>

>>> 1. Remove drive from old computer

>>>

>>> 2. Put drive in new computer after setting drive jumper to reflect the

>>> position (master/slave)

>>>

>>> 3. Copy files

>

> --

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

> http://dts-l.net/

> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

>

June 17, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

Thanks, thought I had missed a Windows version :-)

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

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| Windows 98 First Edition (though it wasn't actually called that.)

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://grystmill.com

|

| "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

| news:ewVnHaA0IHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| >

| > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

| > news:O0DOei%23zIHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| > | glee wrote:

| > | > "Hackmaster" <u44236@uwe> wrote in message

news:85be95571e63b@uwe...

| > | >> Win98 = no usb

| > | >> Win98SE = usb compatible, but some drivers are tricky to load,

| > details

| > | >> vary.

| > | >> snip

| > | >

| > | > Totally incorrect

| > |

| > | Totally incorrect?? You mean (for example) that Win98 FE has at

| > least

| > | some USB support in it? (I can't recall now)

| > |

| > | I thought that USB support was either added (or maybe just extended)

in

| > | Win98SE. (But albeit *nothing* like the USB support that was put

into

| > | WinME.

| >

| > What is Win98FE ?

| >

|

June 17, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

Thanks GAry.....saved it for future play. Steve is the MAN when it comes to

networking. I'll try his tweaks. What is the 9x system user has no password (by

that I mean a blank password)? If a blank password is not acceptable, that'd

explain some of the problems on the network I referred to.

I have consistently seen a freeze when trying to access the Vista default shares

from a 9x machine. I have not heard of a cure yet.

You gotta love this quote from Steve's post:

"If you want to try accessing Vista's shared folders from 95/98/Me, I

recommend taking these safety measures first: make a restore point on

Vista, and back up your important data on all computers."

That's what I mean by it hardly being worth the effort.

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

http://dts-l.net/

http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:u%23dGgPB0IHA.5928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Mostly all figured out with Ultimate, but I suspect there may be differences in

> lesser versions when it comes to ease of setting up a workgroup. Here's the main

> trick:

>

> http://help.lockergnome.com/windows2/Vista-network-problem-ftopict482765.html

> There's a post near the bottom from Gloria Boyer, MSFT, that explains the issue is

> authentication. Vista is configured out of the box to use *only* NTLM2 for

> authentication. For domain-controlled networks (I don't think it works for

> Workgroups, though I'm still looking into that), what you do is install DSClient

> and then add an entry to the Registry that makes the authentication NTLM2-only.

> (See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/239869).

>

> But what worked for me is to change Vista to accept NTLM(1) as per Steve

> Winograd's solution:

> http://help.lockergnome.com/windows2/WinMe-Vista-glitch-ftopict484703.html

>

> Major problem with this method is that while I (and others who have reported) can

> see Vista's shared folders from Win98 (Gold, fully updated, no DSClient or

> Registry tweak), there are two shares that you can't touch (total freeze.) They

> are Vista's built in shares called "Users" and "Public". Why, I don't know, but

> I'm still playing with it.

>

> Anyway, if you want to transfer any or ALL of the data from a Win98 machine to the

> Vista machine, create a folder on the Vista machine (not on the Desktop, where you

> can't apparently share folders for some reason), share it, and then do Steve's two

> tweaks. The folder should then be totally available to the Win98 machine.

>

> Other things to remember: There must exist a User on the Vista machine with

> exactly the same username and password you use to log onto your Win9x machine. And

> any time you mess with network settings on the Vista machine, for some weird

> reason, to finish the job you may have to go to the Users applet and "change" your

> password. DON'T actually change it, just put in the same old password three times

> and click OK (or whatever -- I can't see Vista while I write because it's

> dual-booted on this machine and I'm not moving my mail over there.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

> news:OpC4VKA0IHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:uO7gZ6$zIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> To both Hackmaster and DadiOH... Putting an IDE hard drive into almost any of

>>> the newer machines isn't always easy, or even possible. Even if you manage to

>>> connect it to the PATA connector, strange things happen that

>>> require different settings in BIOS, and it can get weird, to say the least.

>>>

>>> New external enclosure won't work, either, since it has the same problem as the

>>> flash drives. Next to no USB support.

>>>

>>> Networking is the way to go, IMO.

>>

>> As long as you're networking the 98 machine with the XP machine, it's the way to

>> go.

>>

>> Trying to network a 98 system with a Vista system is not worth the effort, if you

>> can get it to work at all. You may get the Vista system to copy from the 98

>> system, but don't even bother trying to look the other way....at least in my

>> experience it has been a mess.

>>

>> Have you had any luck with a Vista--98 network?

>>

>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

>>> news:uTxC5s5zIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

>>>>> I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

>>>>> need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

>>>>> flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires download

>>>>> of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

>>>>> versions of Windows.

>>>>>

>>>>> Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files

>>>>

>>>> 1. Remove drive from old computer

>>>>

>>>> 2. Put drive in new computer after setting drive jumper to reflect the position

>>>> (master/slave)

>>>>

>>>> 3. Copy files

>>

>> --

>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

>> http://dts-l.net/

>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

>>

>

June 17, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> To both Hackmaster and DadiOH... Putting an IDE hard drive into almost any

> of the newer machines isn't always easy, or even possible. Even if you

> manage to connect it to the PATA connector, strange things happen that

> require different settings in BIOS, and it can get weird, to say the

> least.

>

> New external enclosure won't work, either, since it has the same problem

> as

> the flash drives. Next to no USB support.

I use a Vantec NextStar3 USB2 external HD enclosure, along with an USB 2.0

PCI card, in my Win98SE computer, and that works out great!

The USB external HD enclosure contains a standard PATA EIDE hard drive.

The trick is, to get an enclosure that is compatible with (and comes with)

drivers for Win98SE, as this colorful Vantec one does.

June 17, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

news:%23$bWAtB0IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Thanks GAry.....saved it for future play. Steve is the MAN when it comes

> to networking. I'll try his tweaks. What is the 9x system user has no

> password (by that I mean a blank password)? If a blank password is not

> acceptable, that'd explain some of the problems on the network I referred

> to.

AFAIK, blank password isn't accepted, but I haven't tried it. Note that I

tried the Win98SE machine and it had no problem seeing the shared folder on

the Vista machine (but still had that crazy freeze up if I try to access

User or Publ;ic shares.

> I have consistently seen a freeze when trying to access the Vista default

> shares from a 9x machine. I have not heard of a cure yet.

>

> You gotta love this quote from Steve's post:

> "If you want to try accessing Vista's shared folders from 95/98/Me, I

> recommend taking these safety measures first: make a restore point on

> Vista, and back up your important data on all computers."

>

> That's what I mean by it hardly being worth the effort.

This is true, but when it's what there is... You should heard some of the

horror stories I've heard lately about people trying to transfer data from

98 to Vista using some modern USB connectiuon thingy and programs that have

no idea where things are stored on 98.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:u%23dGgPB0IHA.5928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Mostly all figured out with Ultimate, but I suspect there may be

>> differences in lesser versions when it comes to ease of setting up a

>> workgroup. Here's the main trick:

>>

>> http://help.lockergnome.com/windows2/Vista-network-problem-ftopict482765.html

>> There's a post near the bottom from Gloria Boyer, MSFT, that explains the

>> issue is authentication. Vista is configured out of the box to use *only*

>> NTLM2 for authentication. For domain-controlled networks (I don't think

>> it works for Workgroups, though I'm still looking into that), what you do

>> is install DSClient and then add an entry to the Registry that makes the

>> authentication NTLM2-only. (See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/239869).

>>

>> But what worked for me is to change Vista to accept NTLM(1) as per Steve

>> Winograd's solution:

>> http://help.lockergnome.com/windows2/WinMe-Vista-glitch-ftopict484703.html

>>

>> Major problem with this method is that while I (and others who have

>> reported) can see Vista's shared folders from Win98 (Gold, fully updated,

>> no DSClient or Registry tweak), there are two shares that you can't touch

>> (total freeze.) They are Vista's built in shares called "Users" and

>> "Public". Why, I don't know, but I'm still playing with it.

>>

>> Anyway, if you want to transfer any or ALL of the data from a Win98

>> machine to the Vista machine, create a folder on the Vista machine (not

>> on the Desktop, where you can't apparently share folders for some

>> reason), share it, and then do Steve's two tweaks. The folder should then

>> be totally available to the Win98 machine.

>>

>> Other things to remember: There must exist a User on the Vista machine

>> with exactly the same username and password you use to log onto your

>> Win9x machine. And any time you mess with network settings on the Vista

>> machine, for some weird reason, to finish the job you may have to go to

>> the Users applet and "change" your password. DON'T actually change it,

>> just put in the same old password three times and click OK (or

>> whatever -- I can't see Vista while I write because it's dual-booted on

>> this machine and I'm not moving my mail over there.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

>> news:OpC4VKA0IHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>> news:uO7gZ6$zIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>>> To both Hackmaster and DadiOH... Putting an IDE hard drive into almost

>>>> any of the newer machines isn't always easy, or even possible. Even if

>>>> you manage to connect it to the PATA connector, strange things happen

>>>> that

>>>> require different settings in BIOS, and it can get weird, to say the

>>>> least.

>>>>

>>>> New external enclosure won't work, either, since it has the same

>>>> problem as the flash drives. Next to no USB support.

>>>>

>>>> Networking is the way to go, IMO.

>>>

>>> As long as you're networking the 98 machine with the XP machine, it's

>>> the way to go.

>>>

>>> Trying to network a 98 system with a Vista system is not worth the

>>> effort, if you can get it to work at all. You may get the Vista system

>>> to copy from the 98 system, but don't even bother trying to look the

>>> other way....at least in my experience it has been a mess.

>>>

>>> Have you had any luck with a Vista--98 network?

>>>

>>>> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@invalid.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:uTxC5s5zIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>> technolady@earthlink.net wrote:

>>>>>> I have an old Win98 computer that doesn't have internet access, and i

>>>>>> need to transfer files from it to a newer computer. Trying to use a

>>>>>> flash drive for it, but the flash drive manufacturer requires

>>>>>> download

>>>>>> of drivers to use it with SE, and it can't be used for earlier

>>>>>> versions of Windows.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Any suggestions on (1) transferring the files

>>>>>

>>>>> 1. Remove drive from old computer

>>>>>

>>>>> 2. Put drive in new computer after setting drive jumper to reflect the

>>>>> position (master/slave)

>>>>>

>>>>> 3. Copy files

>>>

>>> --

>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+

>>> http://dts-l.net/

>>> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

>>>

>>

>

June 17, 2008

Re: Win98 upgrade to SE

I should have been more clear -- the machine that is the topic of this

thread has next to no USB support. It's an Original.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:et5f8TD0IHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> To both Hackmaster and DadiOH... Putting an IDE hard drive into almost

>> any

>> of the newer machines isn't always easy, or even possible. Even if you

>> manage to connect it to the PATA connector, strange things happen that

>> require different settings in BIOS, and it can get weird, to say the

>> least.

>>

>> New external enclosure won't work, either, since it has the same problem

>> as

>> the flash drives. Next to no USB support.

>

> I use a Vantec NextStar3 USB2 external HD enclosure, along with an USB 2.0

> PCI card, in my Win98SE computer, and that works out great!

>

> The USB external HD enclosure contains a standard PATA EIDE hard drive.

>

> The trick is, to get an enclosure that is compatible with (and comes with)

> drivers for Win98SE, as this colorful Vantec one does.

>

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