Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

[Guest Peter in New Zealand]

My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4

Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if

I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly

quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

I think from anyone who has used it.

 

I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98 I

know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be imaging

the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

easily if I want to.

 

On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

in a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between

it and my other machine without difficulty.

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

> this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

> on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

> experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4

> Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if

> I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly

> quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

> I think from anyone who has used it.

>

> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98, I

> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of?

 

NT4 is less stable than Win98?

> I will be imaging

> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

> easily if I want to.

>

> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

> in a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between

> it and my other machine without difficulty.

> --

> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

> compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest MEB]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

Oh boy, aaahhm, your likely not going to like NT4 on that limited memory,

disk space, and processor computer. Also, NT4 wasn't exactly the friendliest

environment for most home users. If you're thinking that it would be much

better with your XP [and VISTA if you have it] computers, personally I don't

think you would like it very much. Let me modify that a bit by this: if you

were interested in how *old NT* is compared to 2000, XP and above, then it

would certainly be useful as a learning tool.

Note though, that NTFS, file sharing, and a lot other are different, and

you would need to get some files to connect it properly to your XP machines.

 

You may also have difficulties finding drivers, and applications.

 

Not a choice we can make for you of course.

 

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

 

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

news:1213679624.971855@ftpsrv1...

| My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

| this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

| on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

| experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4

| Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if

| I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly

| quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

| I think from anyone who has used it.

|

| I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

| and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98 I

| know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be imaging

| the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

| easily if I want to.

|

| On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

| in a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between

| it and my other machine without difficulty.

| --

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

| compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

He said it's MORE stable. Read the sentence again.

 

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:uioY2fE0IHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Peter in New Zealand wrote:

>> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

>> this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

>> on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

>> experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4

>> Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if

>> I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly

>> quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

>> I think from anyone who has used it.

>>

>> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

>> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98, I

>> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of?

>

> NT4 is less stable than Win98?

>

>> I will be imaging

>> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

>> easily if I want to.

>>

>> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

>> in a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between

>> it and my other machine without difficulty.

>> --

>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

>> compulsive computer fiddler.

>

>

[Guest Peter in New Zealand]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

 

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:uioY2fE0IHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Peter in New Zealand wrote:

> > My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

> > this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

> > on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

> > experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4

> > Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if

> > I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly

> > quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

> > I think from anyone who has used it.

> >

> > I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

> > and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98, I

> > know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of?

>

> NT4 is less stable than Win98?

>

Ach! Silly me - and I really *did* read through my post before hitting the

send button. Of course what I *meant* was, "I would gain stability from

switching from 98 to NT4. . . ."

 

My question about possible down sides still stands though (grin) Thanks for

pointing out my typo.

 

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest Peter in New Zealand]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

 

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>

> Oh boy, aaahhm, your likely not going to like NT4 on that limited memory,

> disk space, and processor computer. Also, NT4 wasn't exactly the

friendliest

> environment for most home users. If you're thinking that it would be much

> better with your XP [and VISTA if you have it] computers, personally I

don't

> think you would like it very much. Let me modify that a bit by this: if

you

> were interested in how *old NT* is compared to 2000, XP and above, then it

> would certainly be useful as a learning tool.

 

Would NT4 not be pretty comfortable in 128 Mbytes of RAM with a 366 Mhz CPU?

I take your point about drivers, but there are drivers for NT4 provided on

the CD that came with the machine. I have had quite a lot of experience

using Windoes 2000 which is the next one up, but it's a bit sluggush on the

laptop, hence my query re NT4. Thank you for your thoughts.

 

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:uioY2fE0IHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Peter in New Zealand wrote:

>>> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

>>> this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

>>> on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

>>> experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4

>>> Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if

>>> I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly

>>> quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

>>> I think from anyone who has used it.

>>>

>>> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

>>> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98, I

>>> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of?

>>

>> NT4 is less stable than Win98?

>>

> Ach! Silly me - and I really *did* read through my post before hitting the

> send button. Of course what I *meant* was, "I would gain stability from

> switching from 98 to NT4. . . ."

>

> My question about possible down sides still stands though (grin) Thanks

> for

> pointing out my typo.

 

Well actually, (as Gary just pointed out), I think it's my bad, as I misread

it! You did say gain stability from switching *to* NT4, so, my bad.

Sorry. :-)

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

Right. My bad. Sorry!

 

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> He said it's MORE stable. Read the sentence again.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:uioY2fE0IHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Peter in New Zealand wrote:

>>> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

>>> this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

>>> on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

>>> experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4

>>> Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if

>>> I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly

>>> quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

>>> I think from anyone who has used it.

>>>

>>> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

>>> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98, I

>>> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of?

>>

>> NT4 is less stable than Win98?

>>

>>> I will be imaging

>>> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

>>> easily if I want to.

>>>

>>> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

>>> in a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between

>>> it and my other machine without difficulty.

>>> --

>>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

>>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

>>> compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest philo]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

 

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

news:1213679624.971855@ftpsrv1...

> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

> this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

> on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

> experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4

> Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if

> I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly

> quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

> I think from anyone who has used it.

>

> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98 I

> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be imaging

> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

> easily if I want to.

>

> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

> in a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between

> it and my other machine without difficulty.

 

 

I have used NT4 and as a matter of fact still use it from time to time

and it is definitely more stable than Win98...but of course it does not have

USB support.

 

OTOH: If your win98 is working just fine...I'd leave it alone.

 

 

Also, if you simply just like to fool around with operating systems etc...

you may want to try Linux on that machine. Office 97 should run Ok under

WINE...

[Guest Peter in New Zealand]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

philo wrote:

> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

> news:1213679624.971855@ftpsrv1...

>> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

>> this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

>> on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

>> experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4

>> Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if

>> I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly

>> quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

>> I think from anyone who has used it.

>>

>> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

>> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98 I

>> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be imaging

>> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

>> easily if I want to.

>>

>> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

>> in a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between

>> it and my other machine without difficulty.

>

>

> I have used NT4 and as a matter of fact still use it from time to time

> and it is definitely more stable than Win98...but of course it does not have

> USB support.

>

> OTOH: If your win98 is working just fine...I'd leave it alone.

>

>

> Also, if you simply just like to fool around with operating systems etc...

> you may want to try Linux on that machine. Office 97 should run Ok under

> WINE...

>

>

Good thought. Yes, I DO enjoy fiddling about with operating systems, but

I am really trying to work out the best OS for the laptop. I would use

Win 2000 which I also have a license for but it's a bit sluggish, though

workable. But there's a couple of strange issues with it - one being

that it seems to always think it is on AC power and fully charged,

regardless of whether it's on power or battery, and the touchpad seems

to be a bit flakey. Also for some reason I have no hibernate with 2K.

 

But, as you so rightly point out, if 98 is running OK then perhaps I

should just leave well alone. Trouble is, after fiddling with computers

since the Sinclair ZX80 came out I find it hard to stop trying to get

just that extra teensy weensy little improvement. But perhaps I'm

getting too old for this sort of geeky fiddling, and need to, as you so

rightly say, just learn to flippin' leave well alone.

 

Thanks for the comments, which I appreciate. I must say that 98 IS

ticking along pretty well on the whole.

 

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest Ingeborg]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

> this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

> on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

> experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4

> Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if

> I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly

> quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

> I think from anyone who has used it.

>

> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98 I

> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be imaging

> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

> easily if I want to.

>

> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

> in a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between

> it and my other machine without difficulty.

 

NT4 doesn't have a device manager, and has no plug&play, which can make it

hard to get your hardware working. It doesn't support fat32, which can be a

problem on multi-boot systems.

[Guest philo]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

 

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

news:1213695080.506395@ftpsrv1...

> philo wrote:

> > "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

> > news:1213679624.971855@ftpsrv1...

> >> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

> >> this. The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4

> >> on it. I have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and

> >> experience of this group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for

NT4

> >> Workstation he hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me

if

> >> I want it. Apart from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are

fairly

> >> quiet now-a-days I think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here

> >> I think from anyone who has used it.

> >>

> >> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

> >> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98 I

> >> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be imaging

> >> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

> >> easily if I want to.

> >>

> >> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

> >> in a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between

> >> it and my other machine without difficulty.

> >

> >

> > I have used NT4 and as a matter of fact still use it from time to time

> > and it is definitely more stable than Win98...but of course it does not

have

> > USB support.

> >

> > OTOH: If your win98 is working just fine...I'd leave it alone.

> >

> >

> > Also, if you simply just like to fool around with operating systems

etc...

> > you may want to try Linux on that machine. Office 97 should run Ok under

> > WINE...

> >

> >

> Good thought. Yes, I DO enjoy fiddling about with operating systems, but

> I am really trying to work out the best OS for the laptop. I would use

> Win 2000 which I also have a license for but it's a bit sluggish, though

> workable. But there's a couple of strange issues with it - one being

> that it seems to always think it is on AC power and fully charged,

> regardless of whether it's on power or battery, and the touchpad seems

> to be a bit flakey. Also for some reason I have no hibernate with 2K.

>

> But, as you so rightly point out, if 98 is running OK then perhaps I

> should just leave well alone. Trouble is, after fiddling with computers

> since the Sinclair ZX80 came out I find it hard to stop trying to get

> just that extra teensy weensy little improvement. But perhaps I'm

> getting too old for this sort of geeky fiddling, and need to, as you so

> rightly say, just learn to flippin' leave well alone.

>

> Thanks for the comments, which I appreciate. I must say that 98 IS

> ticking along pretty well on the whole.

>

>

 

Yes...I'd probably just keep things as they are but if you really want to

fool around a bit

you can always try Damn Small Linux

 

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

 

a 50 meg download and it will run right from a bootable cd

if you want to perform a HD installation that's an option.

I recently setup a few P1's with it and it worked great, though to run WINE

you'd have to add that package.

it's not included on the 50 meg download

[Guest MEB]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

 

 

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

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|

| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

| news:uIZ8uhE0IHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| >

| > Oh boy, aaahhm, your likely not going to like NT4 on that limited

memory,

| > disk space, and processor computer. Also, NT4 wasn't exactly the

| friendliest

| > environment for most home users. If you're thinking that it would be

much

| > better with your XP [and VISTA if you have it] computers, personally I

| don't

| > think you would like it very much. Let me modify that a bit by this: if

| you

| > were interested in how *old NT* is compared to 2000, XP and above, then

it

| > would certainly be useful as a learning tool.

|

| Would NT4 not be pretty comfortable in 128 Mbytes of RAM with a 366 Mhz

CPU?

| I take your point about drivers, but there are drivers for NT4 provided on

| the CD that came with the machine. I have had quite a lot of experience

| using Windoes 2000 which is the next one up, but it's a bit sluggush on

the

| laptop, hence my query re NT4. Thank you for your thoughts.

|

| --

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

| compulsive computer fiddler.

|

|

 

Well, your query concerned opinions on that usage. My thoughts were that

unless you wished to play around with the old format NT which required much

more *hands on* techniques rather than GUI, and its limited capabilities

[work station] verses 2000 or SE.

Of course it would run on 128megs just as SE will or XP for that matter,

but limited memory and its handling or mishandling is generally what gives

users the most headaches.

Now if you were setting up a NT4 server on a desktop or tower, then

maybe.... others have pointed out some of NT4 workstation's limitations and

list is quite long should you care to search around.

 

IF, as you indicate elsewhere, what you really what is something to *keep

the mental juices flowing* then try Linux. Recent versions are quite nice,

give you the *hands on* aspect if you want it, and have capabilities that

far exceed NT4..

 

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

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[Guest Peter in New Zealand]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

> Well, your query concerned opinions on that usage. My thoughts were that

> unless you wished to play around with the old format NT which required much

> more *hands on* techniques rather than GUI, and its limited capabilities

> [work station] verses 2000 or SE.

> Of course it would run on 128megs just as SE will or XP for that matter,

> but limited memory and its handling or mishandling is generally what gives

> users the most headaches.

> Now if you were setting up a NT4 server on a desktop or tower, then

> maybe.... others have pointed out some of NT4 workstation's limitations and

> list is quite long should you care to search around.

>

> IF, as you indicate elsewhere, what you really what is something to *keep

> the mental juices flowing* then try Linux. Recent versions are quite nice,

> give you the *hands on* aspect if you want it, and have capabilities that

> far exceed NT4..

>

Keeping the mental juices flowing sounds so much better than "foolin'

around". Yes, there is quite a bit of that in me I must confess. I

appreciate your thoughts on NT4, and Linux. Thanks for taking the time

to respond. I have experimented with Linux a couple of years ago on a

spare partition on my main desktop machine. (Mandriva and then Ubuntu).

I quite liked what I saw but the killer for me was the investment I have

in Windows apps. I might look at WINE sometime and see what it can do

for me. (Yay! Something new to play with!)

 

I have just been using the laptop with 98SE for the past two hours

running Word 2000, e-Sword BIble software, and a couple of other little

utilities, all percolating away at once, and jumping between them

frequently, and never a hiccup. That did surprise me a little - my

memories of 98 when it was the latest greatest was that you could

generally expect to have to reboot at least a couple of times a day if

you worked it hard. Now all I need is the network card I have ordered to

arrive and I'll plug into my broadband router and life will be complete!

 

But I maybe still ought to look at Linux again - after all, I'm sure it

will have got even better since I last played with it. Or maybe I just

need to damn well leave things alone when they are running so well (grin).

 

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest Lil' Dave]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

news:1213679624.971855@ftpsrv1...

> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on this.

> The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4 on it. I

> have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and experience of this

> group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4 Workstation he

> hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if I want it. Apart

> from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly quiet now-a-days I

> think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here I think from anyone

> who has used it.

>

> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98 I

> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be imaging

> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty easily

> if I want to.

>

> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing in

> a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between it and

> my other machine without difficulty.

> --

> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

> compulsive computer fiddler.

 

Ran NT w/SP4 for awhile on one machine I had, and still have. Ingelborg

mentions some common gotchas. You're stuck with original FAT, no USB out of

the box. What's going to be real interesting is finding drivers for the

hardware for NT. Once going properly, NT is a rock as far as stability. In

fact I used that PC for a software firewall primary with ISP network sharing

with 98SE and ME PC. I called the PC "brick".

 

The now, am not sure what the intrusion ramificatios are for internet access

with an NT PC, nevermind the dated IE that comes with it. Wouldn't attempt

here.

--

Dave

[Guest Peter in New Zealand]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

Lil' Dave wrote:

> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

> news:1213679624.971855@ftpsrv1...

>> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on this.

>> The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4 on it. I

>> have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and experience of this

>> group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4 Workstation he

>> hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if I want it. Apart

>> from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly quiet now-a-days I

>> think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here I think from anyone

>> who has used it.

>>

>> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

>> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98 I

>> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be imaging

>> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty easily

>> if I want to.

>>

>> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing in

>> a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between it and

>> my other machine without difficulty.

>> --

>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

>> compulsive computer fiddler.

>

> Ran NT w/SP4 for awhile on one machine I had, and still have. Ingelborg

> mentions some common gotchas. You're stuck with original FAT, no USB out of

> the box. What's going to be real interesting is finding drivers for the

> hardware for NT. Once going properly, NT is a rock as far as stability. In

> fact I used that PC for a software firewall primary with ISP network sharing

> with 98SE and ME PC. I called the PC "brick".

>

> The now, am not sure what the intrusion ramificatios are for internet access

> with an NT PC, nevermind the dated IE that comes with it. Wouldn't attempt

> here.

Thanks for the thoughts. Drivers for the laptop for NT4 are on the

recovery CD, although the CD only "recovers" the machine to 98. So I am

tempted to image the drive (currently 98SE) and try NT4 just for fun. As

you point out it's getting pretty old now and might not be practical.

Interesting though I was in our local branch of the bank I use earlier

today and found their entire network is running on NT4. The lady's

comment was - It's solid and never misses a beat. For our work it's

perfect. Why on earth would we want to upgrade? On a similar OT note the

Oncology Dept of the hospital in the nearest main centre is running all

it's stuff on Windows 2K. So I guess having the latest and greatest is

pointless if the oldest and leastist does what you need. (smile)

 

Got a feeling I'll end up back with 98SE for practical purposes on the

laptop, but in the meantime I'm gonna have a bit of fun with NT4.

 

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest MEB]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

Yep, difficult decisions to make. But then I gather the laptop is the *toy*

aspect of your system now, so play away..

 

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

 

"Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

news:1213760553.81479@ftpsrv1...

| > Well, your query concerned opinions on that usage. My thoughts were

that

| > unless you wished to play around with the old format NT which required

much

| > more *hands on* techniques rather than GUI, and its limited capabilities

| > [work station] verses 2000 or SE.

| > Of course it would run on 128megs just as SE will or XP for that

matter,

| > but limited memory and its handling or mishandling is generally what

gives

| > users the most headaches.

| > Now if you were setting up a NT4 server on a desktop or tower, then

| > maybe.... others have pointed out some of NT4 workstation's limitations

and

| > list is quite long should you care to search around.

| >

| > IF, as you indicate elsewhere, what you really what is something to

*keep

| > the mental juices flowing* then try Linux. Recent versions are quite

nice,

| > give you the *hands on* aspect if you want it, and have capabilities

that

| > far exceed NT4..

| >

| Keeping the mental juices flowing sounds so much better than "foolin'

| around". Yes, there is quite a bit of that in me I must confess. I

| appreciate your thoughts on NT4, and Linux. Thanks for taking the time

| to respond. I have experimented with Linux a couple of years ago on a

| spare partition on my main desktop machine. (Mandriva and then Ubuntu).

| I quite liked what I saw but the killer for me was the investment I have

| in Windows apps. I might look at WINE sometime and see what it can do

| for me. (Yay! Something new to play with!)

|

| I have just been using the laptop with 98SE for the past two hours

| running Word 2000, e-Sword BIble software, and a couple of other little

| utilities, all percolating away at once, and jumping between them

| frequently, and never a hiccup. That did surprise me a little - my

| memories of 98 when it was the latest greatest was that you could

| generally expect to have to reboot at least a couple of times a day if

| you worked it hard. Now all I need is the network card I have ordered to

| arrive and I'll plug into my broadband router and life will be complete!

|

| But I maybe still ought to look at Linux again - after all, I'm sure it

| will have got even better since I last played with it. Or maybe I just

| need to damn well leave things alone when they are running so well (grin).

|

| --

| Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

| Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

| compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

> Lil' Dave wrote:

>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

>> news:1213679624.971855@ftpsrv1...

>>> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

>>> this.

>>> The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4 on it.

>>> I

>>> have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and experience of

>>> this

>>> group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4 Workstation he

>>> hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if I want it.

>>> Apart

>>> from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly quiet now-a-days

>>> I

>>> think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here I think from anyone

>>> who has used it.

>>>

>>> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

>>> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98 I

>>> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be imaging

>>> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

>>> easily

>>> if I want to.

>>>

>>> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

>>> in

>>> a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between it

>>> and

>>> my other machine without difficulty.

>>> --

>>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

>>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

>>> compulsive computer fiddler.

>>

>> Ran NT w/SP4 for awhile on one machine I had, and still have. Ingelborg

>> mentions some common gotchas. You're stuck with original FAT, no USB out

>> of

>> the box. What's going to be real interesting is finding drivers for the

>> hardware for NT. Once going properly, NT is a rock as far as stability.

>> In

>> fact I used that PC for a software firewall primary with ISP network

>> sharing

>> with 98SE and ME PC. I called the PC "brick".

>>

>> The now, am not sure what the intrusion ramificatios are for internet

>> access

>> with an NT PC, nevermind the dated IE that comes with it. Wouldn't

>> attempt

>> here.

> Thanks for the thoughts. Drivers for the laptop for NT4 are on the

> recovery CD, although the CD only "recovers" the machine to 98. So I am

> tempted to image the drive (currently 98SE) and try NT4 just for fun. As

> you point out it's getting pretty old now and might not be practical.

> Interesting though I was in our local branch of the bank I use earlier

> today and found their entire network is running on NT4. The lady's

> comment was - It's solid and never misses a beat. For our work it's

> perfect. Why on earth would we want to upgrade? On a similar OT note the

> Oncology Dept of the hospital in the nearest main centre is running all

> it's stuff on Windows 2K. So I guess having the latest and greatest is

> pointless if the oldest and leastist does what you need. (smile)

>

> Got a feeling I'll end up back with 98SE for practical purposes on the

> laptop, but in the meantime I'm gonna have a bit of fun with NT4.

 

Or maybe consider trying out Win2K instead of NT4. I would think it has

the benefits of NT4, PLUS some.

[Guest Peter in New Zealand]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

MEB wrote:

> Yep, difficult decisions to make. But then I gather the laptop is the *toy*

> aspect of your system now, so play away..

>

Weeeeeeeellll, (cough - blush) Ahem! Officially I don't admit that, but

really, (very small print here) - it sort of is.

 

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest Peter in New Zealand]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

Bill in Co. wrote:

> Peter in New Zealand wrote:

>> Lil' Dave wrote:

>>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

>>> news:1213679624.971855@ftpsrv1...

>>>> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

>>>> this.

>>>> The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4 on it.

>>>> I

>>>> have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and experience of

>>>> this

>>>> group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4 Workstation he

>>>> hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if I want it.

>>>> Apart

>>>> from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly quiet now-a-days

>>>> I

>>>> think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here I think from anyone

>>>> who has used it.

>>>>

>>>> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use Firefox

>>>> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98 I

>>>> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be imaging

>>>> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

>>>> easily

>>>> if I want to.

>>>>

>>>> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be tossing

>>>> in

>>>> a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between it

>>>> and

>>>> my other machine without difficulty.

>>>> --

>>>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

>>>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

>>>> compulsive computer fiddler.

>>> Ran NT w/SP4 for awhile on one machine I had, and still have. Ingelborg

>>> mentions some common gotchas. You're stuck with original FAT, no USB out

>>> of

>>> the box. What's going to be real interesting is finding drivers for the

>>> hardware for NT. Once going properly, NT is a rock as far as stability.

>>> In

>>> fact I used that PC for a software firewall primary with ISP network

>>> sharing

>>> with 98SE and ME PC. I called the PC "brick".

>>>

>>> The now, am not sure what the intrusion ramificatios are for internet

>>> access

>>> with an NT PC, nevermind the dated IE that comes with it. Wouldn't

>>> attempt

>>> here.

>> Thanks for the thoughts. Drivers for the laptop for NT4 are on the

>> recovery CD, although the CD only "recovers" the machine to 98. So I am

>> tempted to image the drive (currently 98SE) and try NT4 just for fun. As

>> you point out it's getting pretty old now and might not be practical.

>> Interesting though I was in our local branch of the bank I use earlier

>> today and found their entire network is running on NT4. The lady's

>> comment was - It's solid and never misses a beat. For our work it's

>> perfect. Why on earth would we want to upgrade? On a similar OT note the

>> Oncology Dept of the hospital in the nearest main centre is running all

>> it's stuff on Windows 2K. So I guess having the latest and greatest is

>> pointless if the oldest and leastist does what you need. (smile)

>>

>> Got a feeling I'll end up back with 98SE for practical purposes on the

>> laptop, but in the meantime I'm gonna have a bit of fun with NT4.

>

> Or maybe consider trying out Win2K instead of NT4. I would think it has

> the benefits of NT4, PLUS some.

>

>

Yes, 2K is a bit slower on it, but it also seems to have issues with the

power settings, the machine won't hibernate, and the touchpad drivers

won't with with it. OTOH 2K does give me full USB. Oh well, I've really

appreciated the interest and helpful comments offered here, and also the

helpful and gracious attitude in this group, which is a refreshing

change after some of the groups dealing with XP and Vista. The attitude

here might even persuade me to stay with W98 after all. How's that for

an emotional response - grin!

 

--

Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.

[Guest Bill in Co.]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

Peter in New Zealand wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>> Peter in New Zealand wrote:

>>> Lil' Dave wrote:

>>>> "Peter in New Zealand" <peterbalplug@extra.co.nz> wrote in message

>>>> news:1213679624.971855@ftpsrv1...

>>>>> My apologies for the OT post, but I am curious to ask an opinion on

>>>>> this.

>>>>> The machine I have originally came with your choice of 98 or NT4 on

>>>>> it.

>>>>> I

>>>>> have 98SE running pretty well thanks to the support and experience of

>>>>> this

>>>>> group. A friend of mine has a full install CD for NT4 Workstation he

>>>>> hasn't used for years and he is happy to gift it to me if I want it.

>>>>> Apart

>>>>> from the fact that NT groups on the Internet are fairly quiet

>>>>> now-a-days

>>>>> I

>>>>> think am more likely to get an unbiased opinion here I think from

>>>>> anyone

>>>>> who has used it.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't use the machine for games - I run MS Office 97, and use

>>>>> Firefox

>>>>> and Thunderbird. I would gain stability from switching to NT4 from 98

>>>>> I

>>>>> know, but are there any gotchas I should be aware of? I will be

>>>>> imaging

>>>>> the drive before starting so I can return it to its 98 state pretty

>>>>> easily

>>>>> if I want to.

>>>>>

>>>>> On the USB issue I have decided to forget about it as I will be

>>>>> tossing

>>>>> in

>>>>> a network PC card when it arrives and then I can move stuff between it

>>>>> and

>>>>> my other machine without difficulty.

>>>>> --

>>>>> Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

>>>>> Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter,

>>>>> and

>>>>> compulsive computer fiddler.

>>>> Ran NT w/SP4 for awhile on one machine I had, and still have.

>>>> Ingelborg

>>>> mentions some common gotchas. You're stuck with original FAT, no USB

>>>> out

>>>> of

>>>> the box. What's going to be real interesting is finding drivers for

>>>> the

>>>> hardware for NT. Once going properly, NT is a rock as far as

>>>> stability.

>>>> In

>>>> fact I used that PC for a software firewall primary with ISP network

>>>> sharing

>>>> with 98SE and ME PC. I called the PC "brick".

>>>>

>>>> The now, am not sure what the intrusion ramificatios are for internet

>>>> access

>>>> with an NT PC, nevermind the dated IE that comes with it. Wouldn't

>>>> attempt

>>>> here.

>>> Thanks for the thoughts. Drivers for the laptop for NT4 are on the

>>> recovery CD, although the CD only "recovers" the machine to 98. So I am

>>> tempted to image the drive (currently 98SE) and try NT4 just for fun. As

>>> you point out it's getting pretty old now and might not be practical.

>>> Interesting though I was in our local branch of the bank I use earlier

>>> today and found their entire network is running on NT4. The lady's

>>> comment was - It's solid and never misses a beat. For our work it's

>>> perfect. Why on earth would we want to upgrade? On a similar OT note the

>>> Oncology Dept of the hospital in the nearest main centre is running all

>>> it's stuff on Windows 2K. So I guess having the latest and greatest is

>>> pointless if the oldest and leastist does what you need. (smile)

>>>

>>> Got a feeling I'll end up back with 98SE for practical purposes on the

>>> laptop, but in the meantime I'm gonna have a bit of fun with NT4.

>>

>> Or maybe consider trying out Win2K instead of NT4. I would think it

>> has

>> the benefits of NT4, PLUS some.

>>

>>

> Yes, 2K is a bit slower on it, but it also seems to have issues with the

> power settings, the machine won't hibernate, and the touchpad drivers

> won't with with it.

 

Well, that is most unfortunate.

> OTOH 2K does give me full USB.

 

And that's a NICE plus.

> Oh well, I've really

> appreciated the interest and helpful comments offered here, and also the

> helpful and gracious attitude in this group, which is a refreshing

> change after some of the groups dealing with XP and Vista. The attitude

> here might even persuade me to stay with W98 after all. How's that for

> an emotional response - grin!

 

Good! I like this group, too (over some of the XP ones) as it seems a bit

more technical, and has a bit less chaff and fluff in it. And I still have

the other computer running Win98SE (and DOS) sometimes. Plus I've been

here for ages, it seems. So welcome aboard, Peter. :-)

[Guest John John (MVP)]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

He didn't post his computer specs, how do you know if NT4 will run or

not on his computer? If the computer is from the Windows 98 era it will

probably, if not certainly, have enough power to run NT4.

 

NT 4.0 Minimum Hardware Requirements:

 

Windows NT Workstation:

 

- 12 MB of RAM

- VGA level video support

- Keyboard

- IDE, EIDE, SCSI, or ESDI hard disk

- 486/25 processor or better

- CD-ROM drive, floppy disk drive, or active network connection

 

Windows NT Server:

 

- 16 MB of RAM

- VGA level video support

- Keyboard

- IDE, EIDE, SCSI, or ESDI hard disk

- 486/25 processor or better

- CD-ROM drive, 1.44 MB or 1.2 MB floppy disk drive, or active network

connection

 

NOTE: On Windows NT Server, 16 MB of RAM affords minimal functionality;

Microsoft highly recommends 32 MB of RAM or more. Microsoft also

recommends the following preferred hardware:

 

- 486DX2/50 processor or better

- 28.8 v.34 external modem, for remote debugging and troubleshooting

- Windows NT compatible CD-ROM drive

 

Minimum Space Requirements for Windows NT Workstation and Server:

 

Standard Installation - 124 MB of free disk space

WINNT /b - 124 MB of free disk space

Copying I386 folder to hard disk - 223 MB of free disk space

 

I wouldn't recommend anything less than 64MB, preferably 128MB RAM but

then would anyone recommend running Windows 98 on less than 64MB RAM?

 

John

 

MEB wrote:

> Oh boy, aaahhm, your likely not going to like NT4 on that limited memory,

> disk space, and processor computer. Also, NT4 wasn't exactly the friendliest

> environment for most home users. If you're thinking that it would be much

> better with your XP [and VISTA if you have it] computers, personally I don't

> think you would like it very much. Let me modify that a bit by this: if you

> were interested in how *old NT* is compared to 2000, XP and above, then it

> would certainly be useful as a learning tool.

> Note though, that NTFS, file sharing, and a lot other are different, and

> you would need to get some files to connect it properly to your XP machines.

>

> You may also have difficulties finding drivers, and applications.

>

> Not a choice we can make for you of course.

>

[Guest John John (MVP)]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

MEB wrote:

> Well, your query concerned opinions on that usage. My thoughts were that

> unless you wished to play around with the old format NT which required much

> more *hands on* techniques rather than GUI, and its limited capabilities

> [work station]

 

With all due respect, what "limited capabilities" are you thinking of?

In terms of stability or computing performance NT4 blows Windows 98 to

kingdom come, it leaves Windows 98 in the dust!

 

John

[Guest MEB]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

He didn't post the specs, *I* did... best look again, at the prior *Return

to 98* 06/15/2008 discussion.

Here's that link so YOU can be up to speed.

http://www.acersupport.com/notebook/html/tm512dx_specs.html

 

We also know NT4 WILL run on his computer, that isn't the issue....

 

The issues are NOT NT4 stability; anyone who has used it knows it was

stable for its time period; it IS the necessity for command line setup of

certain aspects; it IS the lack of support for USB and PlugnPray; it IS the

possibility for lack of support for any newer devices [far more even than

98SE]; it IS the issue of FAT and the relationship with his XP/SE/other

network; it IS the networking in general [mixed network] {TCP/IP and other

aspects as well}; it IS a number of other KNOWN limitations and/or setup

issues of NT4.

 

We also know that NT4 is still in use in a number of networks in government

offices, libraries, small networks, corporations, and elsewhere. My comments

were therefore directed to him in this form:

He asked for opinions; which I suggested that SE would suit his purposes;

however, if he wished to learn an OLDER NT format/OS, then it would be a

good learning experience; that there WERE limitations within the OS which he

should make himself aware of PRIOR to using it; that if he wished better

functioning with NT4 or SE that 256 megs WOULD also be worth the money [i

had provided links to some memory indicating price]; and several other

opinions based upon my experiences. I had also indicated that should he wish

that NT4 experience/learning, then the SERVER would provide more.

 

NOW, should you and others wish to discuss NT4 setups, applications, AND

those limitations and setup issues, etc., then feel free to do so... just

don't attempt to attack or question MY posts without actually READING them,

and UNDERSTANDING the context in which they were presented...

 

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

 

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

news:uCcm1uT0IHA.4424@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| He didn't post his computer specs, how do you know if NT4 will run or

| not on his computer? If the computer is from the Windows 98 era it will

| probably, if not certainly, have enough power to run NT4.

|

| NT 4.0 Minimum Hardware Requirements:

|

| Windows NT Workstation:

|

| - 12 MB of RAM

| - VGA level video support

| - Keyboard

| - IDE, EIDE, SCSI, or ESDI hard disk

| - 486/25 processor or better

| - CD-ROM drive, floppy disk drive, or active network connection

|

| Windows NT Server:

|

| - 16 MB of RAM

| - VGA level video support

| - Keyboard

| - IDE, EIDE, SCSI, or ESDI hard disk

| - 486/25 processor or better

| - CD-ROM drive, 1.44 MB or 1.2 MB floppy disk drive, or active network

| connection

|

| NOTE: On Windows NT Server, 16 MB of RAM affords minimal functionality;

| Microsoft highly recommends 32 MB of RAM or more. Microsoft also

| recommends the following preferred hardware:

|

| - 486DX2/50 processor or better

| - 28.8 v.34 external modem, for remote debugging and troubleshooting

| - Windows NT compatible CD-ROM drive

|

| Minimum Space Requirements for Windows NT Workstation and Server:

|

| Standard Installation - 124 MB of free disk space

| WINNT /b - 124 MB of free disk space

| Copying I386 folder to hard disk - 223 MB of free disk space

|

| I wouldn't recommend anything less than 64MB, preferably 128MB RAM but

| then would anyone recommend running Windows 98 on less than 64MB RAM?

|

| John

|

| MEB wrote:

| > Oh boy, aaahhm, your likely not going to like NT4 on that limited

memory,

| > disk space, and processor computer. Also, NT4 wasn't exactly the

friendliest

| > environment for most home users. If you're thinking that it would be

much

| > better with your XP [and VISTA if you have it] computers, personally I

don't

| > think you would like it very much. Let me modify that a bit by this: if

you

| > were interested in how *old NT* is compared to 2000, XP and above, then

it

| > would certainly be useful as a learning tool.

| > Note though, that NTFS, file sharing, and a lot other are different,

and

| > you would need to get some files to connect it properly to your XP

machines.

| >

| > You may also have difficulties finding drivers, and applications.

| >

| > Not a choice we can make for you of course.

| >

|

[Guest Peter in New Zealand]

Re: Slightly OT - W98 or NT?

 

MEB wrote:

> He didn't post the specs, *I* did... best look again, at the prior *Return

> to 98* 06/15/2008 discussion.

> Here's that link so YOU can be up to speed.

> http://www.acersupport.com/notebook/html/tm512dx_specs.html

>

> We also know NT4 WILL run on his computer, that isn't the issue....

>

> The issues are NOT NT4 stability; anyone who has used it knows it was

> stable for its time period; it IS the necessity for command line setup of

> certain aspects; it IS the lack of support for USB and PlugnPray; it IS the

> possibility for lack of support for any newer devices [far more even than

> 98SE]; it IS the issue of FAT and the relationship with his XP/SE/other

> network; it IS the networking in general [mixed network] {TCP/IP and other

> aspects as well}; it IS a number of other KNOWN limitations and/or setup

> issues of NT4.

>

> We also know that NT4 is still in use in a number of networks in government

> offices, libraries, small networks, corporations, and elsewhere. My comments

> were therefore directed to him in this form:

> He asked for opinions; which I suggested that SE would suit his purposes;

> however, if he wished to learn an OLDER NT format/OS, then it would be a

> good learning experience; that there WERE limitations within the OS which he

> should make himself aware of PRIOR to using it; that if he wished better

> functioning with NT4 or SE that 256 megs WOULD also be worth the money [i

> had provided links to some memory indicating price]; and several other

> opinions based upon my experiences. I had also indicated that should he wish

> that NT4 experience/learning, then the SERVER would provide more.

>

> NOW, should you and others wish to discuss NT4 setups, applications, AND

> those limitations and setup issues, etc., then feel free to do so... just

> don't attempt to attack or question MY posts without actually READING them,

> and UNDERSTANDING the context in which they were presented...

>

Gentlemen - ALL your comments and statements are of great interest to

me. There is not one single post in this thread that I have not gained

something from in the way of knowledge, new ideas, warnings, and

cautions. By contrast, had I posted an equivalent question in one of the

groups dealing with XP or Vista, around 60% to 80% of the replies would

have been fluff and useless bickering - not to mention being told I am

an idiot for using Windows of any sort and should use nothing but Linux.

I would have had to plough through all that to extract what genuinely

helpful replies were buried in it all. By contrast, every reply here has

been helpful. I understand we all come from different perspectives and

sometimes I am not as clear as I ought to be. But I love the helpful and

pleasant attitude I have found here and I really appreciate your

openness and helpfulness to a new-comer.

 

I will be trying NT4 out of sheer cussed curiosity, probably in a week

or so, and I will let you all know what happens. I'll probably have to

eat humble pie and confess I'm back on good ol' 98SE. (chuckle) But I

will let you guys know - I promise!

 

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Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)

Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and

compulsive computer fiddler.