Guest Ivan Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 I have one IBM notebook X40 and there is some strange happened. It has installed Windows XP with SP2 . But now sometimes the keyboard does not has any repsonse and I need to physical shut it down. Does anyone has any idea? What do i need to check? Is it hardware or Windows XP problems? Ivan
Guest SteveL Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 RE: Winodws XP Check to see if you need any updates from IBM: BIOS, HD Firmware update, keyboard and so forth. Choose the correct country if not in the USA. http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-54078 "Ivan" wrote: > I have one IBM notebook X40 and there is some strange happened. > > It has installed Windows XP with SP2 . But now sometimes the keyboard does > not has any repsonse and I need to physical shut it down. > > Does anyone has any idea? What do i need to check? Is it hardware or > Windows XP problems? > > Ivan
Guest Ivan Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 RE: Winodws XP I have checked it out in the IBM website and seems that nothing is related to the keyboard dirver. Does anybody has other suggestion for the notebook keyboard not responding Ivan "SteveL" wrote: > Check to see if you need any updates from IBM: BIOS, HD Firmware update, > keyboard and so forth. Choose the correct country if not in the USA. > > http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-54078 > > "Ivan" wrote: > > > I have one IBM notebook X40 and there is some strange happened. > > > > It has installed Windows XP with SP2 . But now sometimes the keyboard does > > not has any repsonse and I need to physical shut it down. > > > > Does anyone has any idea? What do i need to check? Is it hardware or > > Windows XP problems? > > > > Ivan
Guest SteveL Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 RE: Winodws XP So you are telling me that the BIOS has nothing to do with the keyboard.. OK well good luck. "Ivan" wrote: > I have checked it out in the IBM website and seems that nothing is related to > the keyboard dirver. > > Does anybody has other suggestion for the notebook keyboard not responding > > Ivan > > "SteveL" wrote: > > > Check to see if you need any updates from IBM: BIOS, HD Firmware update, > > keyboard and so forth. Choose the correct country if not in the USA. > > > > http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-54078 > > > > "Ivan" wrote: > > > > > I have one IBM notebook X40 and there is some strange happened. > > > > > > It has installed Windows XP with SP2 . But now sometimes the keyboard does > > > not has any repsonse and I need to physical shut it down. > > > > > > Does anyone has any idea? What do i need to check? Is it hardware or > > > Windows XP problems? > > > > > > Ivan
Guest Patrick Keenan Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 Re: Winodws XP "Ivan" <Ivan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:534C1085-1936-44DC-BE0E-075910A3B4A9@microsoft.com... >I have one IBM notebook X40 and there is some strange happened. > > It has installed Windows XP with SP2 . But now sometimes the keyboard > does > not has any repsonse and I need to physical shut it down. > > Does anyone has any idea? What do i need to check? Is it hardware or > Windows XP problems? > > Ivan It's likely hardware. You'll need to contact Lenovo for service. You can test by using a Linux live boot CD, which will not affect the installed OS. If the problem manifests there too, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the OS. HTH -pk
Guest 4PeaceMirelle Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 Re: Winodws XP On Jun 17, 8:28 am, "Patrick Keenan" <t...@dev.null> wrote: Mr. Keenan, I was reading on the net that you are a philanthropist, as is your wife. How do you reconcile giving millions to charity and defending a terrorist state that has put the Palestinians in the largest open air prison in world - Gaza, cut off food and fuel supplies, etc. Collective punishment is not permitted by the Geneva Convention and all other bodies of International law. As a philanthropist, I would hope that you give those millions a year out of seeing the need for donations due to seeing the suffering, and by donating you are acting from the conviction that if a person is able to alleviate suffering financially to do so. I would hope it is not done to social climb and hop nob with the "haves" and "have mores". BTW, tell your wife to stop with the Botox already, aging is natural. Botox is embarrassing to look at on a person's face, although the person is not aware that people find it so. Usually, people feel sorry for the person for resorting to Botox. http://chitchatzionist.livejournal.com/ Mirelle > "Ivan" <I...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:534C1085-1936-44DC-BE0E-075910A3B4A9@microsoft.com... > > >I have one IBM notebook X40 and there is some strange happened. > > > It has installed Windows XP with SP2 . But now sometimes the keyboard > > does > > not has any repsonse and I need to physical shut it down. > > > Does anyone has any idea? What do i need to check? Is it hardware or > > Windows XP problems? > > > Ivan > > It's likely hardware. You'll need to contact Lenovo for service. > > You can test by using a Linux live boot CD, which will not affect the > installed OS. If the problem manifests there too, it has nothing > whatsoever to do with the OS. > > HTH > -pk
Guest Alan Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? Alan "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7017d46b-cac9-427c-bbc0-498b448f96c7@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com... On Jun 17, 8:28 am, "Patrick Keenan" <t...@dev.null> wrote: Mr. Keenan, I was reading on the net that you are a philanthropist, as is your wife. How do you reconcile giving millions to charity and defending a terrorist state that has put the Palestinians in the largest open air prison in world - Gaza, cut off food and fuel supplies, etc. Collective punishment is not permitted by the Geneva Convention and all other bodies of International law. As a philanthropist, I would hope that you give those millions a year out of seeing the need for donations due to seeing the suffering, and by donating you are acting from the conviction that if a person is able to alleviate suffering financially to do so. I would hope it is not done to social climb and hop nob with the "haves" and "have mores". BTW, tell your wife to stop with the Botox already, aging is natural. Botox is embarrassing to look at on a person's face, although the person is not aware that people find it so. Usually, people feel sorry for the person for resorting to Botox. http://chitchatzionist.livejournal.com/ Mirelle > "Ivan" <I...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:534C1085-1936-44DC-BE0E-075910A3B4A9@microsoft.com... > > >I have one IBM notebook X40 and there is some strange happened. > > > It has installed Windows XP with SP2 . But now sometimes the keyboard > > does > > not has any repsonse and I need to physical shut it down. > > > Does anyone has any idea? What do i need to check? Is it hardware or > > Windows XP problems? > > > Ivan > > It's likely hardware. You'll need to contact Lenovo for service. > > You can test by using a Linux live boot CD, which will not affect the > installed OS. If the problem manifests there too, it has nothing > whatsoever to do with the OS. > > HTH > -pk
Guest cheley_bonstell88@live.com Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP On Jun 17, 10:15 am, Ivan <I...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > I have checked it out in the IBM website and seems that nothing is related to > the keyboard dirver. > > Does anybody has other suggestion for the notebook keyboard not responding > > Ivan > > "SteveL" wrote: > > Check to see if you need any updates from IBM: BIOS, HD Firmware update, > > keyboard and so forth. Choose the correct country if not in the USA. > > >http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=leno.... > > > "Ivan" wrote: > > > > I have one IBM notebook X40 and there is some strange happened. > > > > It has installed Windows XP with SP2 . But now sometimes the keyboard does > > > not has any repsonse and I need to physical shut it down. > > > > Does anyone has any idea? What do i need to check? Is it hardware or > > > Windows XP problems? > > > > Ivan See if it works with another keyboard plugged in the back If it does, it's Hardware..
Guest Bob I Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated public newsgroup. Alan wrote: > Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? > > Alan > > "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message
Guest Alan Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from 'Alias' are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to be doing that. Alan "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated public > newsgroup. > > Alan wrote: > >> Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >> >> Alan >> >> "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message >
Guest Daave Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP If this were a moderated newsgroup, those posts would never appear in the first place. Alan wrote: > Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from > 'Alias' are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. > > Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to be > doing that. > > Alan > > "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated >> public newsgroup. >> >> Alan wrote: >> >>> Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message
Guest John John (MVP) Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS server)? John Daave wrote: > If this were a moderated newsgroup, those posts would never appear in > the first place. > > Alan wrote: > >>Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from >>'Alias' are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. >> >>Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to be >>doing that. >> >> Alan >> >>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >>>Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated >>>public newsgroup. >>> >>>Alan wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>>"4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message > > >
Guest Daave Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Surely someone from Microsoft is removing the posts. But that doesn't make this a moderated newsgroup (strictly speaking). Posts on moderated newsgroups do not show up immediately. They are *all* reviewed first. That is why 4PeaceMirelle's silly post showed up (because this is not a moderated newsgroup). And that is why Alias's posts show up (and propagate and get archived on Google, etc., even if they are removed from the MS news server shortly after they are posted). If this group were moderated (again, in the generally accepted Usenet sense of the term), Alias's posts (and presumably 4PeaceMirelle's claptrap) would not show up in the first place and would therefore not propagate. John John (MVP) wrote: > So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS > server)? > John > > Daave wrote: > >> If this were a moderated newsgroup, those posts would never appear in >> the first place. >> >> Alan wrote: >> >>> Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from >>> 'Alias' are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. >>> >>> Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to >>> be doing that. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> >>>> Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated >>>> public newsgroup. >>>> >>>> Alan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message
Guest Alan Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Hi John, Exactly. I DO manage to see most of Alias' posts when I access these Microsoft groups from my Supernews account. Alan "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:uf0LcBW0IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS > server)? > > John > > Daave wrote: > >> If this were a moderated newsgroup, those posts would never appear in the >> first place. >> >> Alan wrote: >> >>>Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from >>>'Alias' are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. >>> >>>Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to be >>>doing that. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> >>>>Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated >>>>public newsgroup. >>>> >>>>Alan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>>"4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >
Guest Alan Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Hi Daave, Yes, you're right. In the strict, Usenet sense of the term, these are NOT moderated groups. Still, the effect is pretty much the same for those users who don't realize that these Microsoft groups are available via servers other than those controlled by Microsoft. But, someone from Microsoft clearly has some sort of huge grudge against Alias. Alan "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message news:OIHUKKW0IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Surely someone from Microsoft is removing the posts. But that doesn't make > this a moderated newsgroup (strictly speaking). Posts on moderated > newsgroups do not show up immediately. They are *all* reviewed first. That > is why 4PeaceMirelle's silly post showed up (because this is not a > moderated newsgroup). And that is why Alias's posts show up (and propagate > and get archived on Google, etc., even if they are removed from the MS > news server shortly after they are posted). If this group were moderated > (again, in the generally accepted Usenet sense of the term), Alias's posts > (and presumably 4PeaceMirelle's claptrap) would not show up in the first > place and would therefore not propagate. > > John John (MVP) wrote: >> So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS >> server)? >> John >> >> Daave wrote: >> >>> If this were a moderated newsgroup, those posts would never appear in >>> the first place. >>> >>> Alan wrote: >>> >>>> Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from >>>> 'Alias' are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. >>>> >>>> Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to >>>> be doing that. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>>> Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated >>>>> public newsgroup. >>>>> >>>>> Alan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message > >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP It may not be moderated (strictly speaking) but there are posts that don't ever make it to the groups, they are filtered by contents or poster name/origin before they make it to the group servers. John Daave wrote: > Surely someone from Microsoft is removing the posts. But that doesn't > make this a moderated newsgroup (strictly speaking). Posts on moderated > newsgroups do not show up immediately. They are *all* reviewed first. > That is why 4PeaceMirelle's silly post showed up (because this is not a > moderated newsgroup). And that is why Alias's posts show up (and > propagate and get archived on Google, etc., even if they are removed > from the MS news server shortly after they are posted). If this group > were moderated (again, in the generally accepted Usenet sense of the > term), Alias's posts (and presumably 4PeaceMirelle's claptrap) would not > show up in the first place and would therefore not propagate. > > John John (MVP) wrote: > >>So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS >>server)? >>John >> >>Daave wrote: >> >> >>>If this were a moderated newsgroup, those posts would never appear in >>>the first place. >>> >>>Alan wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from >>>>'Alias' are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. >>>> >>>>Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to >>>>be doing that. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> >>>>>Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated >>>>>public newsgroup. >>>>> >>>>>Alan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>>"4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message > > >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP I don't think it's a grudge against him as such, it's more that some of the subjects that he raises are obviously pretty touchy for someone at Microsoft, they don't like certain things being talked about on their servers. John Alan wrote: > Hi Daave, > > Yes, you're right. In the strict, Usenet sense of the term, these are NOT > moderated groups. > > Still, the effect is pretty much the same for those users who don't realize > that these Microsoft groups are available via servers other than those > controlled by Microsoft. > > But, someone from Microsoft clearly has some sort of huge grudge against > Alias. > > Alan > > "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message > news:OIHUKKW0IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >>Surely someone from Microsoft is removing the posts. But that doesn't make >>this a moderated newsgroup (strictly speaking). Posts on moderated >>newsgroups do not show up immediately. They are *all* reviewed first. That >>is why 4PeaceMirelle's silly post showed up (because this is not a >>moderated newsgroup). And that is why Alias's posts show up (and propagate >>and get archived on Google, etc., even if they are removed from the MS >>news server shortly after they are posted). If this group were moderated >>(again, in the generally accepted Usenet sense of the term), Alias's posts >>(and presumably 4PeaceMirelle's claptrap) would not show up in the first >>place and would therefore not propagate. >> >>John John (MVP) wrote: >> >>>So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS >>>server)? >>>John >>> >>>Daave wrote: >>> >>> >>>>If this were a moderated newsgroup, those posts would never appear in >>>>the first place. >>>> >>>>Alan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from >>>>>'Alias' are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. >>>>> >>>>>Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to >>>>>be doing that. >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated >>>>>>public newsgroup. >>>>>> >>>>>>Alan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> > >
Guest Ron Badour Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have never seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS server merely because there were discussions of or rants about MS. Posts are removed upon the request of the poster if there is a valid reason, if they contain blatant spam, contain excessive profanity, have any reference to porn, could contain dangerous info, etc. MS takes freedom of speech very seriously and does not arbitrarily remove posts just because they are critical of MS. With that said, I don't recall seeing posts made by Alias so I don't know what might be objectionable in his posts if they are indeed being removed. I would also be willing to bet that a person could lose his/her job at MS if he/she removed a post because of a grudge. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2008 "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:%23maMKZW0IHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >I don't think it's a grudge against him as such, it's more that some of the >subjects that he raises are obviously pretty touchy for someone at >Microsoft, they don't like certain things being talked about on their >servers. > > John > > Alan wrote: > >> Hi Daave, >> >> Yes, you're right. In the strict, Usenet sense of the term, these are NOT >> moderated groups. >> >> Still, the effect is pretty much the same for those users who don't >> realize that these Microsoft groups are available via servers other than >> those controlled by Microsoft. >> >> But, someone from Microsoft clearly has some sort of huge grudge against >> Alias. >> >> Alan >> >> "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote in message >> news:OIHUKKW0IHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >>>Surely someone from Microsoft is removing the posts. But that doesn't >>>make this a moderated newsgroup (strictly speaking). Posts on moderated >>>newsgroups do not show up immediately. They are *all* reviewed first. >>>That is why 4PeaceMirelle's silly post showed up (because this is not a >>>moderated newsgroup). And that is why Alias's posts show up (and >>>propagate and get archived on Google, etc., even if they are removed from >>>the MS news server shortly after they are posted). If this group were >>>moderated (again, in the generally accepted Usenet sense of the term), >>>Alias's posts (and presumably 4PeaceMirelle's claptrap) would not show up >>>in the first place and would therefore not propagate. >>> >>>John John (MVP) wrote: >>> >>>>So then tell us, who do you think is removing the posts (on the MS >>>>server)? >>>>John >>>> >>>>Daave wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>If this were a moderated newsgroup, those posts would never appear in >>>>>the first place. >>>>> >>>>>Alan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from >>>>>>'Alias' are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. >>>>>> >>>>>>Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to >>>>>>be doing that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated >>>>>>>public newsgroup. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Alan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> >>> >> >> >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Windodws XP Re: Windodws XP It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from making it to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems like reason enough to block posts! I guess the conversation is now over because I can no longer express my opinion about the subject! John Ron Badour wrote: > I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have never seen nor > heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS server merely because there > were discussions of or rants about MS. Posts are removed upon the request > of the poster if there is a valid reason, if they contain blatant spam, > contain excessive profanity, have any reference to porn, could contain > dangerous info, etc. MS takes freedom of speech very seriously and does not > arbitrarily remove posts just because they are critical of MS. With that > said, I don't recall seeing posts made by Alias so I don't know what might > be objectionable in his posts if they are indeed being removed. I would > also be willing to bet that a person could lose his/her job at MS if he/she > removed a post because of a grudge.
Guest Bob I Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Windodws XP Re: Windodws XP How so? Perhaps you are just checking too soon? John John (MVP) wrote: > It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from making it > to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems like reason > enough to block posts! I guess the conversation is now over because I > can no longer express my opinion about the subject! > > John > > Ron Badour wrote: > >> I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have never >> seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS server merely >> because there were discussions of or rants about MS. Posts are >> removed upon the request of the poster if there is a valid reason, if >> they contain blatant spam, contain excessive profanity, have any >> reference to porn, could contain dangerous info, etc. MS takes >> freedom of speech very seriously and does not arbitrarily remove posts >> just because they are critical of MS. With that said, I don't recall >> seeing posts made by Alias so I don't know what might be objectionable >> in his posts if they are indeed being removed. I would also be >> willing to bet that a person could lose his/her job at MS if he/she >> removed a post because of a grudge. > >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Windowds XP Re: Windowds XP No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has appeared yet the other one that I posted before this one hasn't. I tried to post the same post again with my answer to Ron but the post hasn't been posted. John Bob I wrote: > How so? Perhaps you are just checking too soon? > > John John (MVP) wrote: > >> It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from making >> it to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems like reason >> enough to block posts! I guess the conversation is now over because I >> can no longer express my opinion about the subject! >> >> John >> >> Ron Badour wrote: >> >>> I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have never >>> seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS server merely >>> because there were discussions of or rants about MS. Posts are >>> removed upon the request of the poster if there is a valid reason, if >>> they contain blatant spam, contain excessive profanity, have any >>> reference to porn, could contain dangerous info, etc. MS takes >>> freedom of speech very seriously and does not arbitrarily remove >>> posts just because they are critical of MS. With that said, I don't >>> recall seeing posts made by Alias so I don't know what might be >>> objectionable in his posts if they are indeed being removed. I would >>> also be willing to bet that a person could lose his/her job at MS if >>> he/she removed a post because of a grudge. >> >> >> >
Guest Bob I Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Windowds XP Re: Windowds XP Dunno, I see posts from you in this thread at 11:29, 12:03, 12:11, 14:22 and this one at 14:48.. John John (MVP) wrote: > No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has appeared yet > the other one that I posted before this one hasn't. I tried to post the > same post again with my answer to Ron but the post hasn't been posted. > > John > > Bob I wrote: > >> How so? Perhaps you are just checking too soon? >> >> John John (MVP) wrote: >> >>> It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from making >>> it to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems like >>> reason enough to block posts! I guess the conversation is now over >>> because I can no longer express my opinion about the subject! >>> >>> John >>> >>> Ron Badour wrote: >>> >>>> I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have never >>>> seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS server merely >>>> because there were discussions of or rants about MS. Posts are >>>> removed upon the request of the poster if there is a valid reason, >>>> if they contain blatant spam, contain excessive profanity, have any >>>> reference to porn, could contain dangerous info, etc. MS takes >>>> freedom of speech very seriously and does not arbitrarily remove >>>> posts just because they are critical of MS. With that said, I don't >>>> recall seeing posts made by Alias so I don't know what might be >>>> objectionable in his posts if they are indeed being removed. I >>>> would also be willing to bet that a person could lose his/her job at >>>> MS if he/she removed a post because of a grudge. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Windowds XP Re: Windowds XP There are missing posts, I made a post/reply to Ron (before my 14:22 post) and it hasn't shown up. I tried to repost the same message and another (new) one with slightly altered contents and the posts aren't showing. John Bob I wrote: > Dunno, I see posts from you in this thread at 11:29, 12:03, 12:11, 14:22 > and this one at 14:48.. > > John John (MVP) wrote: > >> No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has appeared >> yet the other one that I posted before this one hasn't. I tried to >> post the same post again with my answer to Ron but the post hasn't >> been posted. >> >> John >> >> Bob I wrote: >> >>> How so? Perhaps you are just checking too soon? >>> >>> John John (MVP) wrote: >>> >>>> It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from >>>> making it to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems >>>> like reason enough to block posts! I guess the conversation is now >>>> over because I can no longer express my opinion about the subject! >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> Ron Badour wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have never >>>>> seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS server merely >>>>> because there were discussions of or rants about MS. Posts are >>>>> removed upon the request of the poster if there is a valid reason, >>>>> if they contain blatant spam, contain excessive profanity, have any >>>>> reference to porn, could contain dangerous info, etc. MS takes >>>>> freedom of speech very seriously and does not arbitrarily remove >>>>> posts just because they are critical of MS. With that said, I >>>>> don't recall seeing posts made by Alias so I don't know what might >>>>> be objectionable in his posts if they are indeed being removed. I >>>>> would also be willing to bet that a person could lose his/her job >>>>> at MS if he/she removed a post because of a grudge. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
Guest Bob I Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Windowds XP Re: Windowds XP perhaps "Alias" is a forbidden word? John John (MVP) wrote: > There are missing posts, I made a post/reply to Ron (before my 14:22 > post) and it hasn't shown up. I tried to repost the same message and > another (new) one with slightly altered contents and the posts aren't > showing. > > John > > Bob I wrote: > >> Dunno, I see posts from you in this thread at 11:29, 12:03, 12:11, >> 14:22 and this one at 14:48.. >> >> John John (MVP) wrote: >> >>> No, Bob. My second post (this one that you replied to) has appeared >>> yet the other one that I posted before this one hasn't. I tried to >>> post the same post again with my answer to Ron but the post hasn't >>> been posted. >>> >>> John >>> >>> Bob I wrote: >>> >>>> How so? Perhaps you are just checking too soon? >>>> >>>> John John (MVP) wrote: >>>> >>>>> It appears that now my posts to this thread are prevented from >>>>> making it to the MS server, so even mentioning the "A" name seems >>>>> like reason enough to block posts! I guess the conversation is now >>>>> over because I can no longer express my opinion about the subject! >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> Ron Badour wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have >>>>>> never seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS server >>>>>> merely because there were discussions of or rants about MS. Posts >>>>>> are removed upon the request of the poster if there is a valid >>>>>> reason, if they contain blatant spam, contain excessive profanity, >>>>>> have any reference to porn, could contain dangerous info, etc. MS >>>>>> takes freedom of speech very seriously and does not arbitrarily >>>>>> remove posts just because they are critical of MS. With that >>>>>> said, I don't recall seeing posts made by Alias so I don't know >>>>>> what might be objectionable in his posts if they are indeed being >>>>>> removed. I would also be willing to bet that a person could lose >>>>>> his/her job at MS if he/she removed a post because of a grudge. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>
Guest Daave Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Re: Winodws XP "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message news:e9$ohqW0IHA.5516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >I have been posting in these newsgroups since 1996 and I have never >seen nor heard of a post intentionally taken off a MS server merely >because there were discussions of or rants about MS. Posts are removed >upon the request of the poster if there is a valid reason, if they >contain blatant spam, contain excessive profanity, have any reference >to porn, could contain dangerous info, etc. MS takes freedom of speech >very seriously and does not arbitrarily remove posts just because they >are critical of MS. You forgot one category: Someone advocating the transfer of an OEM license from one PC to another PC and instucting others how to do so. That's the only thing I can think of that Ay-lee-uss posts that MS would find objectionable, so although MS may take freedom of speech seriously, they draw the line at a point where therir EULA can be circumvented if an unethical person chooses to do so. Then again, Ay-lee-uss has been very vocal in his belief that the EULA itself is "unconscionable." An interesting assertion, but when push comes to shove, he can't logically argue the point: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/43b3f6e406487f9c?hl=en Notice that Ay-lee-uss never responded. (Or if he did, the message never propagated.) PD43/Grumpy made an interesting point. But I still believe that as long as the purchaser decides against installing the OS after reading the EULA (but obviously after breaking the shrink wrap), he or she *is* legally entitled to a full refund. But again, I defer to any attorneys who may be reading this thread.
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