Guest Daave Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Winodws XP John John (MVP) wrote: > Daave wrote: > >> Alias wrote: >>> Many, many times my posts never show up in the first place. >> >> >> This one did! > > Maybe because he didn't post anything controversial. But one of my > post won't make it to the servers... unless I post it in Morse Code! > lol I wonder what is in the post that forbids it on the servers. > > Mind you, I don't think that anyone is saying that anything and > everything should be allowed here, else we would have to wade through > tons of spam and f*r*e*e s\e\x junk, as is often the case on .alt > discussion groups. There has to be filtering and post removal going > on or else the groups would be swamped and everyone would be extremely > annoyed. But I think that along with the necessary filtering and post > removal someone is applying "other" rules of their own. Most of Alias's posts are not controversial. Apparently, when he changed his e-mail address, his posts started showing up again, so MS was filtering all posts including that old address. My guess is they don't appreciate it when he gives people instructions on how to transfer an OEM license from one PC to another. Strictly speaking, "free speech" is a governmental concept, so MS isn't really censoring Alias. However, it's pretty close; they are impeding the free flow of information. Then again, it's their server, and they are legally allowed to do this. Although I understand their motivations, they are being disingenuous when they claim to support free speech. FWIW, there is another issue. Sometimes the MS news server just acts plain goofy. I've made posts using it which have never showed up. I would immediately use another news server (my ISP's or Google Groups). Although those posts propagated, they still never showed on the MS news server. Then the problem would disappear quickly. Something tripped the filtering. Perhaps it was a combination of the length, how many quoted lines (from previous posts) it contained, or a banned poster appearing at one point in the thread. Or it might be some sort of weird "Bush Hid the Facts" bug: http://www.hoax-slayer.com/bush-hid-the-facts-notepad.html
Guest Alias Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Daave wrote: > Alias wrote: >> Daave wrote: >>> Surely someone from Microsoft is removing the posts. But that doesn't >>> make this a moderated newsgroup (strictly speaking). Posts on >>> moderated newsgroups do not show up immediately. They are *all* >>> reviewed first. That is why 4PeaceMirelle's silly post showed up >>> (because this is not a moderated newsgroup). And that is why Alias's >>> posts show up (and propagate and get archived on Google, etc., even >>> if they are removed from the MS news server shortly after they are >>> posted). If this group were moderated (again, in the generally >>> accepted Usenet sense of the term), Alias's posts (and presumably >>> 4PeaceMirelle's claptrap) would not show up in the first place and >>> would therefore not propagate. >> Many, many times my posts never show up in the first place. > > This one did! > > I changed my email address and Carey Frisch isn't up yet. Alias
Guest norm Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Winodws XP norm wrote: > John John (MVP) wrote: >> Daave wrote: >> >>> Alias wrote: >>> >>>> Daave wrote: >>>> >>>>> Surely someone from Microsoft is removing the posts. But that doesn't >>>>> make this a moderated newsgroup (strictly speaking). Posts on >>>>> moderated newsgroups do not show up immediately. They are *all* >>>>> reviewed first. That is why 4PeaceMirelle's silly post showed up >>>>> (because this is not a moderated newsgroup). And that is why Alias's >>>>> posts show up (and propagate and get archived on Google, etc., even >>>>> if they are removed from the MS news server shortly after they are >>>>> posted). If this group were moderated (again, in the generally >>>>> accepted Usenet sense of the term), Alias's posts (and presumably >>>>> 4PeaceMirelle's claptrap) would not show up in the first place and >>>>> would therefore not propagate. >>>> >>>> Many, many times my posts never show up in the first place. >>> >>> >>> This one did! >> >> Maybe because he didn't post anything controversial. But one of my >> post won't make it to the servers... unless I post it in Morse Code! >> lol I wonder what is in the post that forbids it on the servers. >> >> Mind you, I don't think that anyone is saying that anything and >> everything should be allowed here, else we would have to wade through >> tons of spam and f*r*e*e s\e\x junk, as is often the case on .alt >> discussion groups. There has to be filtering and post removal going >> on or else the groups would be swamped and everyone would be extremely >> annoyed. But I think that along with the necessary filtering and post >> removal someone is applying "other" rules of their own. >> >> John >> > Fwiw, a couple days ago I saw a warning in the vista general group from > Colin Barnhorst about some drastic actions forthcoming in the groups > concerning posts deemed inappropriate. The thread is "the powers that be". > "Colin Barnhorst wrote: > Suggestion: I really wish you guys would move on from this Adam > NotSoBright stuff. It is entirely off-topic and is starting to result > in some ugly looking actions from the powers-that-be." > Quite possibly, Colin might have more info on what specifically is going > on. > > Correction. The thread is "adam albright's dream fantasy...LOL!", not "the powers that be". In any event the whole thread is not available on the ms server. -- norm
Guest Alias Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Daave wrote: > John John (MVP) wrote: >> Daave wrote: >> >>> Alias wrote: > >>>> Many, many times my posts never show up in the first place. >>> >>> This one did! >> Maybe because he didn't post anything controversial. But one of my >> post won't make it to the servers... unless I post it in Morse Code! >> lol I wonder what is in the post that forbids it on the servers. >> >> Mind you, I don't think that anyone is saying that anything and >> everything should be allowed here, else we would have to wade through >> tons of spam and f*r*e*e s\e\x junk, as is often the case on .alt >> discussion groups. There has to be filtering and post removal going >> on or else the groups would be swamped and everyone would be extremely >> annoyed. But I think that along with the necessary filtering and post >> removal someone is applying "other" rules of their own. > > Most of Alias's posts are not controversial. Apparently, when he changed > his e-mail address, his posts started showing up again, so MS was > filtering all posts including that old address. My guess is they don't > appreciate it when he gives people instructions on how to transfer an > OEM license from one PC to another. <eg> Alias
Guest Daave Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Alias wrote: > Daave wrote: >> Alias wrote: >>> Daave wrote: >>>> Surely someone from Microsoft is removing the posts. But that >>>> doesn't make this a moderated newsgroup (strictly speaking). Posts >>>> on moderated newsgroups do not show up immediately. They are *all* >>>> reviewed first. That is why 4PeaceMirelle's silly post showed up >>>> (because this is not a moderated newsgroup). And that is why >>>> Alias's posts show up (and propagate and get archived on Google, >>>> etc., even if they are removed from the MS news server shortly >>>> after they are posted). If this group were moderated (again, in >>>> the generally accepted Usenet sense of the term), Alias's posts >>>> (and presumably 4PeaceMirelle's claptrap) would not show up in the >>>> first place and would therefore not propagate. >>> Many, many times my posts never show up in the first place. >> >> This one did! > I changed my email address and Carey Frisch isn't up yet. Does Carey Frisch have the ability to remove/filter your posts?
Guest Alias Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Daave wrote: > Alias wrote: >> Daave wrote: >>> Alias wrote: >>>> Daave wrote: >>>>> Surely someone from Microsoft is removing the posts. But that >>>>> doesn't make this a moderated newsgroup (strictly speaking). Posts >>>>> on moderated newsgroups do not show up immediately. They are *all* >>>>> reviewed first. That is why 4PeaceMirelle's silly post showed up >>>>> (because this is not a moderated newsgroup). And that is why >>>>> Alias's posts show up (and propagate and get archived on Google, >>>>> etc., even if they are removed from the MS news server shortly >>>>> after they are posted). If this group were moderated (again, in >>>>> the generally accepted Usenet sense of the term), Alias's posts >>>>> (and presumably 4PeaceMirelle's claptrap) would not show up in the >>>>> first place and would therefore not propagate. >>>> Many, many times my posts never show up in the first place. >>> This one did! > >> I changed my email address and Carey Frisch isn't up yet. > > Does Carey Frisch have the ability to remove/filter your posts? > > So he says. Alias
Guest Frank-FL Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Winodws XP "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message news:%23eUuK9U0IHA.1628@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from 'Alias' > are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. > > Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to be doing > that. > > Alan > > "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated public >> newsgroup. >>> "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message Alias posts could be considered by some as being a little overboard by promoting Ubuntu, or posting from Spain.
Guest Ron Badour Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP TEST--These are words from John's post that doesn't make it. "On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or highly critical of Microsoft." -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2008
Guest Alias Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Frank-FL wrote: > "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message news:%23eUuK9U0IHA.1628@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from 'Alias' >> are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. >> >> Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to be doing >> that. >> >> Alan >> >> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated public >>> newsgroup. > >>>> "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message > > Alias posts could be considered by some as being a little overboard by > promoting Ubuntu, or posting from Spain. > What, pray tell, would posting from Spain have to do with it? Ubuntu is an excellent alternative to *anything* Windows, especially Vista so I am *on**topic*. This fact is why MS has its panties in a twist. Alias
Guest Ron Badour Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP ANOTHER TEST--John's words and some of mine. "On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or highly critical of Microsoft." ___________________ My words: Now, I have to ask the question--why would anyone from MS object to that text when it is the business practices of OEMs that is being questioned. I have the same problem with this practice and I wrote to Dell to voice a very strong opinion why this was a stupid idea (i.e., the hard drive crashes and the replacement files are lost). In past posts, I listed a hard to find URL at Dell that a person can use to request a Windows CD: http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dellcare/en/backupcd_form?c=us&l=en&s=gen&redirect=1 -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2008 "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message news:Oi3W$kj0IHA.5564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > TEST--These are words from John's post that doesn't make it. > > "On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers > with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows > cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some > things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some > subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in > public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being > said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or > highly critical of Microsoft." > > -- > Regards > > Ron Badour > MS MVP 1997 - 2008 > > > > >
Guest Ron Badour Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP MORE INFO. It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get back to this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going out of town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or after my trip. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2008 "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message news:elNVKtj0IHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > ANOTHER TEST--John's words and some of mine. > > "On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers > with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows > cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some > things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some > subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in > public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being > said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or > highly critical of Microsoft." > ___________________ > > My words: > > Now, I have to ask the question--why would anyone from MS object to that > text when it is the business practices of OEMs that is being questioned. > I > have the same problem with this practice and I wrote to Dell to voice a > very > strong opinion why this was a stupid idea (i.e., the hard drive crashes > and > the replacement files are lost). In past posts, I listed a hard to find > URL > at Dell that a person can use to request a Windows CD: > > http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dellcare/en/backupcd_form?c=us&l=en&s=gen&redirect=1 > > -- > Regards > > Ron Badour > MS MVP 1997 - 2008 > > > "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message > news:Oi3W$kj0IHA.5564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> TEST--These are words from John's post that doesn't make it. >> >> "On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers >> with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows >> cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some >> things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some >> subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in >> public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being >> said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or >> highly critical of Microsoft." >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Ron Badour >> MS MVP 1997 - 2008 >> >> >> >> >> > >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP At times I have been, how shall I say, pretty vociferous on this business practice. In no uncertain terms I have made it clear that I think that Microsoft could put an end to the practice if they wanted to but that they have certain vested "interests" in keeping the practice alive. Perhaps my ID along with a few "buzz" words sends my posts on the subject straight to the bozo bin! John Ron Badour wrote: > MORE INFO. > > It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get back to > this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going out of > town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or after my > trip. >
Guest mae Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP Maybe some word combinations trip the filters. test the first part of your post: "Whether you agree with Alias or not one can safely say that his posts never contain spam, porn, _ _ _ or vulgar language, yet many of his posts have been removed or prevented from ever appearing on the MS servers. John " mae "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:%236yYzWk0IHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | At times I have been, how shall I say, pretty vociferous on this | business practice. In no uncertain terms I have made it clear that I | think that Microsoft could put an end to the practice if they wanted to | but that they have certain vested "interests" in keeping the practice | alive. Perhaps my ID along with a few "buzz" words sends my posts on | the subject straight to the bozo bin! | | John | | Ron Badour wrote: | > MORE INFO. | > | > It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get back to | > this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going out of | > town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or after my | > trip.
Guest Frank-FL Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Re: Winodws XP "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmailTHIS.com> wrote in message news:g3e899$49l$1@aioe.org... > Frank-FL wrote: >> "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message news:%23eUuK9U0IHA.1628@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> Well, this public newsgroup is moderated enough such that posts from 'Alias' >>> are deleted almost as soon as they are posted. >>> >>> Alias REALLY must have pissed someone at Microsoft off for them to be doing >>> that. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated public >>>> newsgroup. >> >>>>> "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> Alias posts could be considered by some as being a little overboard by >> promoting Ubuntu, or posting from Spain. >> > > What, pray tell, would posting from Spain have to do with it? Ubuntu is > an excellent alternative to *anything* Windows, especially Vista so I am > *on**topic*. This fact is why MS has its panties in a twist. > > Alias Some people, mostly fanboys, not me.
Guest Ron Badour Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP John, As I understand it, MS has no control over how OEMs handle the method used to reinstall OEM versions of Windows. As I recall, there just has to be some sort of mechanism for a user to be able to reinstall the system. So, blaming MS for this problem is not the right thing to do even though they might profit down the line by selling another license. People should be demanding that OEMs provide system CDs when one is not included with their PC purchase. In my view, putting a system reinstallation capability on the hard drive is a horrible practice. Dell did this for a while--I don't know if they are still doing it but I hope not. I wrote to them and told them this was a bad idea just to save a $1 (or less) on a CD and opined what a disservice they were doing to their customers. I pointed out that if the drive crashes (DOA), there is no way of restoring the system. Or in my case, I always have multiple partitions on my drives and the act of partitioning destroyed Dell's "restore from the drive" capability. As a matter of interest, I used the URL I previously posted to request a system CD from Dell and it arrived the next day. I was still irritated that I did not get a driver CD so I called Dell to voice my displeasure about that. The guy from India (just guessing on his country) said they didn't have any because the drivers were constantly being updated and the most recent versions were on the web site and could be downloaded. I sort of bought that explanation but I would have been a lot happier if they had sent me an old driver CD. What I did get was another copy of my XP Media Center CD :-) I have not yet gotten the filtering information that I asked for--I will post back when I have something to report. Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2008 "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:%236yYzWk0IHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > At times I have been, how shall I say, pretty vociferous on this business > practice. In no uncertain terms I have made it clear that I think that > Microsoft could put an end to the practice if they wanted to but that they > have certain vested "interests" in keeping the practice alive. Perhaps my > ID along with a few "buzz" words sends my posts on the subject straight to > the bozo bin! > > John > > Ron Badour wrote: >> MORE INFO. >> >> It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get back >> to this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going out >> of town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or >> after my trip. >> >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP Ron Badour wrote: > John, > > As I understand it, MS has no control over how OEMs handle the method used > to reinstall OEM versions of Windows. To me it's quite simple, Ron. Microsoft can simply tell pc manufacturers that as a part of the Windows licensing and distribution agreement they must include a real Windows cd with the new computer, that the real cd is an integral part of the license. The cd could be manufactured (burned & labeled) by the OEM and include other tools and BIOS lock mechanisms but that otherwise the cd be usable like a real Windows cd. The agreement can state that if the OEM wants to ship or include other recovery methods that they are also free to do so but that the "real" cd must still accompany the new computer. This is required of small manufacturers who use the System Builder licensing and generic Microsoft OEM cds, these small builder *must* ship the OEM cd with the new computer. It's that simple, but for obvious reasons I don't expect that to happen anytime soon. John
Guest mae Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message news:%23k%23x4tt0IHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | John, | | | I have not yet gotten the filtering information that I asked for--I will | post back when I have something to report. | | Regards | | Ron Badour | MS MVP 1997 - 2008 There were a phrase of 3 words in combination with the other words. I tried his post complete and it was blocked. I left out the 3 words and it went through, and posted that in a reply to him. mae | "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message | news:%236yYzWk0IHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > At times I have been, how shall I say, pretty vociferous on this business | > practice. In no uncertain terms I have made it clear that I think that | > Microsoft could put an end to the practice if they wanted to but that they | > have certain vested "interests" in keeping the practice alive. Perhaps my | > ID along with a few "buzz" words sends my posts on the subject straight to | > the bozo bin! | > | > John | > | > Ron Badour wrote: | >> MORE INFO. | >> | >> It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get back | >> to this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going out | >> of town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or | >> after my trip. | >>
Guest Alan Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP Hi Ron, Dell is back to providing Operating System CD's with a purchase of a new computer. I ordered a Vostro laptop for my niece last Friday by phone. When I told the Dell sales associate that I wanted a shiny media installation disk, he said that Dell automatically includes them at no extra charge. Alan "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message news:%23k%23x4tt0IHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > John, > > As I understand it, MS has no control over how OEMs handle the method used > to reinstall OEM versions of Windows. As I recall, there just has to be > some sort of mechanism for a user to be able to reinstall the system. > So, blaming MS for this problem is not the right thing to do even though > they might profit down the line by selling another license. People should > be demanding that OEMs provide system CDs when one is not included with > their PC purchase. > > In my view, putting a system reinstallation capability on the hard drive > is a horrible practice. Dell did this for a while--I don't know if they > are still doing it but I hope not. I wrote to them and told them this was > a bad idea just to save a $1 (or less) on a CD and opined what a > disservice they were doing to their customers. I pointed out that if the > drive crashes (DOA), there is no way of restoring the system. Or in my > case, I always have multiple partitions on my drives and the act of > partitioning destroyed Dell's "restore from the drive" capability. > > As a matter of interest, I used the URL I previously posted to request a > system CD from Dell and it arrived the next day. I was still irritated > that I did not get a driver CD so I called Dell to voice my displeasure > about that. The guy from India (just guessing on his country) said they > didn't have any because the drivers were constantly being updated and the > most recent versions were on the web site and could be downloaded. I sort > of bought that explanation but I would have been a lot happier if they had > sent me an old driver CD. What I did get was another copy of my XP Media > Center CD :-) > > I have not yet gotten the filtering information that I asked for--I will > post back when I have something to report. > > Regards > > Ron Badour > MS MVP 1997 - 2008 > > > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message > news:%236yYzWk0IHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> At times I have been, how shall I say, pretty vociferous on this business >> practice. In no uncertain terms I have made it clear that I think that >> Microsoft could put an end to the practice if they wanted to but that >> they have certain vested "interests" in keeping the practice alive. >> Perhaps my ID along with a few "buzz" words sends my posts on the subject >> straight to the bozo bin! >> >> John >> >> Ron Badour wrote: >>> MORE INFO. >>> >>> It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get back >>> to this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going out >>> of town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or >>> after my trip. >>> >> > >
Guest John John (MVP) Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP mae wrote: > There were a phrase of 3 words in combination with the other words. > I tried his post complete and it was blocked. > I left out the 3 words and it went through, and posted that in a reply to > him. What were the 3 words? Are you saying that the words "or vulgar language" are the culprits? Ron posted those in his post and his post made it through. John
Guest Ron Badour Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP It is not that simple John. How would you like to be a businessman and then have someone you do business with tell you how to run your business? MS cannot offend its large business partners and if you believe otherwise, you live in a different world than I do. In my view, it is the OEMs that need to be held accountable by their customers. Money talks!!!! Alan says that Dell has changed its ways and maybe my complaint and those from other customers played a role in that decision. Hitting the road--will check back in next week. Have a great weekend everybody. I'm outta here !!!!! -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2008 "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:u9yepMu0IHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Ron Badour wrote: > >> John, >> >> As I understand it, MS has no control over how OEMs handle the method >> used to reinstall OEM versions of Windows. > > To me it's quite simple, Ron. Microsoft can simply tell pc manufacturers > that as a part of the Windows licensing and distribution agreement they > must include a real Windows cd with the new computer, that the real cd is > an integral part of the license. The cd could be manufactured (burned & > labeled) by the OEM and include other tools and BIOS lock mechanisms but > that otherwise the cd be usable like a real Windows cd. The agreement can > state that if the OEM wants to ship or include other recovery methods that > they are also free to do so but that the "real" cd must still accompany > the new computer. This is required of small manufacturers who use the > System Builder licensing and generic Microsoft OEM cds, these small > builder *must* ship the OEM cd with the new computer. It's that simple, > but for obvious reasons I don't expect that to happen anytime soon. > > John >
Guest Patrick Keenan Posted June 25, 2008 Posted June 25, 2008 Re: Winodws XP "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated public > newsgroup. > > Alan wrote: > >> Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >> >> Alan >> >> "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message As to the reason "Mirelle posted here in the first place, "Mirelle" has me confused with someone else of the same name. "Mirelle" is a supporter of many Holocaust Denier "revisionist" and "9/11 truth" causes, apparently as long as she thinks they denigrate Jews or challenge the validity of Israel. And if you challenge those people, "Mirelle" may decide you're a target for various attempts at smearing, some coming quite close to being legally actionable. But like so many of the supporters of those causes, "Mirelle" isn't all that bright. "Mirelle" is here to demonstrate an inability to grasp the concept that there are many people with the same name. -pk
Guest Bob I Posted June 25, 2008 Posted June 25, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Patrick Keenan wrote: > "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated public >> newsgroup. >> >> Alan wrote: >> >>> Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > As to the reason "Mirelle posted here in the first place, "Mirelle" has > me confused with someone else of the same name. "Mirelle" is a > supporter of many Holocaust Denier "revisionist" and "9/11 truth" > causes, apparently as long as she thinks they denigrate Jews or > challenge the validity of Israel. And if you challenge those people, > "Mirelle" may decide you're a target for various attempts at smearing, > some coming quite close to being legally actionable. > > But like so many of the supporters of those causes, "Mirelle" isn't all > that bright. "Mirelle" is here to demonstrate an inability to grasp > the concept that there are many people with the same name. > > -pk And here I thought Mirelle was just another nutjob with access to a computer.
Guest Alan Posted June 25, 2008 Posted June 25, 2008 Re: Winodws XP Bob, She's a nut job for sure, but Patrick is correct: From the link she gave, Mirelle does seem to be a supporter of Holocaust Denial and other 9/11 conspiracy theories. Alan "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ek%23r7iw1IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > Patrick Keenan wrote: >> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:%2319LxDU0IHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >>> Same reason every other OT posting is here, it's an unmoderated public >>> newsgroup. >>> >>> Alan wrote: >>> >>>> Why is this propaganda crap link from 'Mirelle' allowed here? >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> "4PeaceMirelle" <anaminaam@gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> As to the reason "Mirelle posted here in the first place, "Mirelle" has >> me confused with someone else of the same name. "Mirelle" is a >> supporter of many Holocaust Denier "revisionist" and "9/11 truth" causes, >> apparently as long as she thinks they denigrate Jews or challenge the >> validity of Israel. And if you challenge those people, "Mirelle" may >> decide you're a target for various attempts at smearing, some coming >> quite close to being legally actionable. >> >> But like so many of the supporters of those causes, "Mirelle" isn't all >> that bright. "Mirelle" is here to demonstrate an inability to grasp the >> concept that there are many people with the same name. >> >> -pk > > And here I thought Mirelle was just another nutjob with access to a > computer. >
Guest Alan Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Re: Windownd XP Re: Windownd XP Hi Ron, Did you ever get a chance to find out any more information about the filtering that goes on in Microsoft's servers? Alan "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message news:ObNcHxj0IHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > MORE INFO. > > It is obvious that some filtering is going on and I will try to get back > to this thread after I get some information that I need. I am going out > of town for a few days but I will definitely get back either before or > after my trip. > > -- > Regards > > Ron Badour > MS MVP 1997 - 2008 > > > "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message > news:elNVKtj0IHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> ANOTHER TEST--John's words and some of mine. >> >> "On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers >> with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows >> cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some >> things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some >> subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in >> public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being >> said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or >> highly critical of Microsoft." >> ___________________ >> >> My words: >> >> Now, I have to ask the question--why would anyone from MS object to that >> text when it is the business practices of OEMs that is being questioned. >> I >> have the same problem with this practice and I wrote to Dell to voice a >> very >> strong opinion why this was a stupid idea (i.e., the hard drive crashes >> and >> the replacement files are lost). In past posts, I listed a hard to find >> URL >> at Dell that a person can use to request a Windows CD: >> >> http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dellcare/en/backupcd_form?c=us&l=en&s=gen&redirect=1 >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Ron Badour >> MS MVP 1997 - 2008 >> >> >> "Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message >> news:Oi3W$kj0IHA.5564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> TEST--These are words from John's post that doesn't make it. >>> >>> "On broaching the issue of the practice of shipping computers >>> with "restorations" cd's and recovery partitions instead of real Windows >>> cds I have had posts censored in these groups, so I know that some >>> things are sensitive to someone at Microsoft, there are just some >>> subjects that someone at Microsoft doesn't like seeing aired out in >>> public! Other than that Microsoft is quite tolerant of what is being >>> said in these groups (on their servers), even when it is inflammatory or >>> highly critical of Microsoft." >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> >>> Ron Badour >>> MS MVP 1997 - 2008 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
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