Question re USB features on win98se PC

June 18, 2008

I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the rear

panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some cheap

printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..but before that decision I

had a look at "System Properties" then "Device manager" then opened 3

headings under "USB Controllers"

1st Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USBUniversal Host Controller (exists in all

hardware profiles)

2nd USB Composite Device (exists in all hardware profiles)

3rd USB Root hub (exists in all hardware profiles)

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Does this info indicate anything meaningfull about the 2 USB ports on the

PC, in particular whether a printer can be connected to second USB, or

whether a piggy back to the 1st (which currently has the KB).

TIA,..Jason

Jason

June 18, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

You are probably not going to find any new printers that have W98SE drivers.

For example, see this HP article:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01080344&lc=en&cc=us&lang=en&os=20&product=441125&dlc=en

--

Regards

Ron Badour

MS MVP 1997 - 2008

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

news:4858ae2f$0$43568$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

>I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

>

> After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the rear

> panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some

> cheap

> printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

> all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

> adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..but before that decision

> I

> had a look at "System Properties" then "Device manager" then opened 3

> headings under "USB Controllers"

>

> 1st Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USBUniversal Host Controller (exists in all

> hardware profiles)

>

> 2nd USB Composite Device (exists in all hardware profiles)

>

> 3rd USB Root hub (exists in all hardware profiles)

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> Does this info indicate anything meaningfull about the 2 USB ports on the

> PC, in particular whether a printer can be connected to second USB, or

> whether a piggy back to the 1st (which currently has the KB).

>

> TIA,..Jason

>

> Jason

>

June 18, 2008

RE: Question re USB features on win98se PC

Jason,

My Gateway 98SE has only two USB ports on the back. On one I have a 4 port

adaptor with Boston USB speakers and USB KB with USB mouse. The other I have

a 4 port adaptor with USR wireless adaptor and USB connector for a 3 year old

HP 1410v PSC. This works.

Ron is right about support for 98 at HP, not sure about any one else. I went

to get updated drivers for my printer and could not access any updates for

ME/98SE/98 even though they were listed and I was able to get them 2 months

ago. So be sure to check the box to see if the printer you buy will work with

98SE.

DLSayre

"Jason James" wrote:

> I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

>

> After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the rear

> panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some cheap

> printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

> all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

> adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..but before that decision I

> had a look at "System Properties" then "Device manager" then opened 3

> headings under "USB Controllers"

>

> 1st Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USBUniversal Host Controller (exists in all

> hardware profiles)

>

> 2nd USB Composite Device (exists in all hardware profiles)

>

> 3rd USB Root hub (exists in all hardware profiles)

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> Does this info indicate anything meaningfull about the 2 USB ports on the

> PC, in particular whether a printer can be connected to second USB, or

> whether a piggy back to the 1st (which currently has the KB).

>

> TIA,..Jason

>

> Jason

>

June 18, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

What model HP printer do you have?

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"dlsayremn" <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:83711A1B-9EEA-46FB-A4BE-2FBE00964901@microsoft.com...

> Jason,

>

> My Gateway 98SE has only two USB ports on the back. On one I have a 4

> port

> adaptor with Boston USB speakers and USB KB with USB mouse. The other I

> have

> a 4 port adaptor with USR wireless adaptor and USB connector for a 3 year

> old

> HP 1410v PSC. This works.

>

> Ron is right about support for 98 at HP, not sure about any one else. I

> went

> to get updated drivers for my printer and could not access any updates

> for

> ME/98SE/98 even though they were listed and I was able to get them 2

> months

> ago. So be sure to check the box to see if the printer you buy will work

> with

> 98SE.

>

> DLSayre

>

> "Jason James" wrote:

>

>> I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

>>

>> After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the rear

>> panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some

>> cheap

>> printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

>> all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

>> adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..but before that decision

>> I

>> had a look at "System Properties" then "Device manager" then opened 3

>> headings under "USB Controllers"

>>

>> 1st Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USBUniversal Host Controller (exists in all

>> hardware profiles)

>>

>> 2nd USB Composite Device (exists in all hardware profiles)

>>

>> 3rd USB Root hub (exists in all hardware profiles)

>>

>> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>> Does this info indicate anything meaningfull about the 2 USB ports on the

>> PC, in particular whether a printer can be connected to second USB, or

>> whether a piggy back to the 1st (which currently has the KB).

>>

>> TIA,..Jason

>>

>> Jason

>>

June 18, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

What you see in Device manager is what you'd see for that double-port, to

answer one of your questions. The first device is the USB controller on the

motherboard, the second item is the part keyboard itself, the Hub it the

unit that is connected to and mounted right on the mobo in this case. The

hub has two ports.

As for printers... Those USB ports on your machine are almost certainly USB

1.1 and that means slow. Since things like printers have gotten used to

straight network connection or fast USB2, even with an Parallel port

adapter, and assuming there are even drivers for your system, they aren't

likely to work well if at all.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

news:4858ae2f$0$43568$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

>I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

>

> After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the rear

> panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some

> cheap

> printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

> all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

> adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..but before that decision

> I

> had a look at "System Properties" then "Device manager" then opened 3

> headings under "USB Controllers"

>

> 1st Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USBUniversal Host Controller (exists in all

> hardware profiles)

>

> 2nd USB Composite Device (exists in all hardware profiles)

>

> 3rd USB Root hub (exists in all hardware profiles)

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> Does this info indicate anything meaningfull about the 2 USB ports on the

> PC, in particular whether a printer can be connected to second USB, or

> whether a piggy back to the 1st (which currently has the KB).

>

> TIA,..Jason

>

> Jason

>

June 18, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

I should have added that you can get a PCI card with USB2 hub(s) & ports

that will work in Windows 98SE (but not the original version of Win98) and

if you can find a printer with Win98SE drivers, that's the way I would go.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:uynMBfW0IHA.4572@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> What you see in Device manager is what you'd see for that double-port, to

> answer one of your questions. The first device is the USB controller on

> the motherboard, the second item is the part keyboard itself, the Hub it

> the unit that is connected to and mounted right on the mobo in this case.

> The hub has two ports.

>

> As for printers... Those USB ports on your machine are almost certainly

> USB 1.1 and that means slow. Since things like printers have gotten used

> to straight network connection or fast USB2, even with an Parallel port

> adapter, and assuming there are even drivers for your system, they aren't

> likely to work well if at all.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

> news:4858ae2f$0$43568$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

>>I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

>>

>> After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the rear

>> panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some

>> cheap

>> printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

>> all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

>> adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..but before that decision

>> I

>> had a look at "System Properties" then "Device manager" then opened 3

>> headings under "USB Controllers"

>>

>> 1st Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USBUniversal Host Controller (exists in all

>> hardware profiles)

>>

>> 2nd USB Composite Device (exists in all hardware profiles)

>>

>> 3rd USB Root hub (exists in all hardware profiles)

>>

>> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>> Does this info indicate anything meaningfull about the 2 USB ports on the

>> PC, in particular whether a printer can be connected to second USB, or

>> whether a piggy back to the 1st (which currently has the KB).

>>

>> TIA,..Jason

>>

>> Jason

>>

>

June 18, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:eHgN%23kW0IHA.4964@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> I should have added that you can get a PCI card with USB2 hub(s) & ports

> that will work in Windows 98SE (but not the original version of Win98) and

> if you can find a printer with Win98SE drivers, that's the way I would go.

Much obliged Gary,..Jason

June 18, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

"Ron Badour" <Sorry@NoAddress.com> wrote in message

news:OLrNfRS0IHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> You are probably not going to find any new printers that have W98SE

drivers.

> For example, see this HP article:

>

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01080344&lc=en&cc=us&lang=en&os=20&product=441125&dlc=en

Thanx for that Ron. I'll do a search of the different printers on sale.

Never know, one brand may support 98se if it's old stock.

Jason

June 18, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

"dlsayremn" <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:83711A1B-9EEA-46FB-A4BE-2FBE00964901@microsoft.com...

> Jason,

>

> My Gateway 98SE has only two USB ports on the back. On one I have a 4

port

> adaptor with Boston USB speakers and USB KB with USB mouse. The other I

have

> a 4 port adaptor with USR wireless adaptor and USB connector for a 3 year

old

> HP 1410v PSC. This works.

>

> Ron is right about support for 98 at HP, not sure about any one else. I

went

> to get updated drivers for my printer and could not access any updates

for

> ME/98SE/98 even though they were listed and I was able to get them 2

months

> ago. So be sure to check the box to see if the printer you buy will work

with

> 98SE.

Thanx for that info DLS. Much obliged,..Jason

June 18, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:43:10 +1000, "Jason James" <at@peace.com> put

finger to keyboard and composed:

>I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

>

>After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the rear

>panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some cheap

>printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

>all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

>adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..

Not long ago I bought a new Brother HL2040 monochrome laser printer

with parallel and USB interfaces (AU$88) which installed flawlessly on

an old 486/Win95 box.

- Franc Zabkar

--

Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

June 18, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:30:03 -0700, dlsayremn

<dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and

composed:

>Jason,

>

>My Gateway 98SE has only two USB ports on the back. On one I have a 4 port

>adaptor with Boston USB speakers and USB KB with USB mouse. The other I have

>a 4 port adaptor with USR wireless adaptor and USB connector for a 3 year old

>HP 1410v PSC. This works.

>

>Ron is right about support for 98 at HP, not sure about any one else. I went

>to get updated drivers for my printer and could not access any updates for

>ME/98SE/98 even though they were listed and I was able to get them 2 months

>ago. So be sure to check the box to see if the printer you buy will work with

>98SE.

>

>DLSayre

I notice that the Win2K and XP downloads appear to be the same size

(48MB/310MB) and version (5.3.0b). Perhaps the Win98/ME drivers are

included in the same bundle?

In fact the Win9X/ME drivers *were* included in the 48MB 2K/XP

package. If you check the %temp% directory before the installer begins

the installation, you will see that it creates a temporary

subdirectory named ...

HP_WebRelease\common\drivers\win9x_me

- Franc Zabkar

--

Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

June 19, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

Gary,

The printer is a Hewlett Packard PSC 1410v (Printer/Scanner/Copier) and all

funtions work.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> What model HP printer do you have?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

>

> "dlsayremn" <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:83711A1B-9EEA-46FB-A4BE-2FBE00964901@microsoft.com...

> > Jason,

> >

> > My Gateway 98SE has only two USB ports on the back. On one I have a 4

> > port

> > adaptor with Boston USB speakers and USB KB with USB mouse. The other I

> > have

> > a 4 port adaptor with USR wireless adaptor and USB connector for a 3 year

> > old

> > HP 1410v PSC. This works.

> >

> > Ron is right about support for 98 at HP, not sure about any one else. I

> > went

> > to get updated drivers for my printer and could not access any updates

> > for

> > ME/98SE/98 even though they were listed and I was able to get them 2

> > months

> > ago. So be sure to check the box to see if the printer you buy will work

> > with

> > 98SE.

> >

> > DLSayre

> >

> > "Jason James" wrote:

> >

> >> I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

> >>

> >> After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the rear

> >> panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some

> >> cheap

> >> printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

> >> all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

> >> adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..but before that decision

> >> I

> >> had a look at "System Properties" then "Device manager" then opened 3

> >> headings under "USB Controllers"

> >>

> >> 1st Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USBUniversal Host Controller (exists in all

> >> hardware profiles)

> >>

> >> 2nd USB Composite Device (exists in all hardware profiles)

> >>

> >> 3rd USB Root hub (exists in all hardware profiles)

> >>

> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> >> Does this info indicate anything meaningfull about the 2 USB ports on the

> >> PC, in particular whether a printer can be connected to second USB, or

> >> whether a piggy back to the 1st (which currently has the KB).

> >>

> >> TIA,..Jason

> >>

> >> Jason

> >>

>

June 19, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

Right, but he can get a (slightly) older one that does.

I'm using the HP Laserjet 1018, and deliberately selected that one over the

newer HP Laserjet 1020 for that reason - I can use it with either my WinXP

OR my Win98SE computer (which has a USB 2.0 PCI card inside, too). (I

don't have any real need for InkJets (and having to replace those cartridges

all the time), so at least that was a non-issue for me).

Ron Badour wrote:

> You are probably not going to find any new printers that have W98SE

> drivers.

> For example, see this HP article:

> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01080344&lc=en&cc=us&lang=en&os=20&product=441125&dlc=en

>

> --

> Regards

>

> Ron Badour

> MS MVP 1997 - 2008

>

> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

> news:4858ae2f$0$43568$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

>> I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

>>

>> After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the rear

>> panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some

>> cheap

>> printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

>> all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

>> adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..but before that decision

>> I had a look at "System Properties" then "Device manager" then opened 3

>> headings under "USB Controllers"

>>

>> 1st Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USBUniversal Host Controller (exists in all

>> hardware profiles)

>>

>> 2nd USB Composite Device (exists in all hardware profiles)

>>

>> 3rd USB Root hub (exists in all hardware profiles)

>>

>> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>> Does this info indicate anything meaningfull about the 2 USB ports on the

>> PC, in particular whether a printer can be connected to second USB, or

>> whether a piggy back to the 1st (which currently has the KB).

>>

>> TIA,..Jason

>>

>> Jason

June 19, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

Sorry, that was a senior moment. Never mind.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"dlsayremn" <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:FC51F13F-0B4D-4E5D-B0EC-53EB140104DA@microsoft.com...

> Gary,

> The printer is a Hewlett Packard PSC 1410v (Printer/Scanner/Copier) and

> all

> funtions work.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> What model HP printer do you have?

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>>

>> "dlsayremn" <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:83711A1B-9EEA-46FB-A4BE-2FBE00964901@microsoft.com...

>> > Jason,

>> >

>> > My Gateway 98SE has only two USB ports on the back. On one I have a 4

>> > port

>> > adaptor with Boston USB speakers and USB KB with USB mouse. The other I

>> > have

>> > a 4 port adaptor with USR wireless adaptor and USB connector for a 3

>> > year

>> > old

>> > HP 1410v PSC. This works.

>> >

>> > Ron is right about support for 98 at HP, not sure about any one else. I

>> > went

>> > to get updated drivers for my printer and could not access any updates

>> > for

>> > ME/98SE/98 even though they were listed and I was able to get them 2

>> > months

>> > ago. So be sure to check the box to see if the printer you buy will

>> > work

>> > with

>> > 98SE.

>> >

>> > DLSayre

>> >

>> > "Jason James" wrote:

>> >

>> >> I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

>> >>

>> >> After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the

>> >> rear

>> >> panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some

>> >> cheap

>> >> printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

>> >> all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

>> >> adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..but before that

>> >> decision

>> >> I

>> >> had a look at "System Properties" then "Device manager" then opened 3

>> >> headings under "USB Controllers"

>> >>

>> >> 1st Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USBUniversal Host Controller (exists in

>> >> all

>> >> hardware profiles)

>> >>

>> >> 2nd USB Composite Device (exists in all hardware profiles)

>> >>

>> >> 3rd USB Root hub (exists in all hardware profiles)

>> >>

>> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>> >> Does this info indicate anything meaningfull about the 2 USB ports on

>> >> the

>> >> PC, in particular whether a printer can be connected to second USB, or

>> >> whether a piggy back to the 1st (which currently has the KB).

>> >>

>> >> TIA,..Jason

>> >>

>> >> Jason

>> >>

>>

June 19, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

The point is, no matter what printer you have, if your OS is older than XP,

you'd better be making sure you have all your drivers on hand and backed up

twice, because finding them on the internet will be more and more difficult,

or even impossible. Right now, it's HP, but the others are sure to follow.

For instance, I bet you can't find anywhere to download 9x drivers for your

new printer. Make three copies of whatever drivers you have for that thing,

put one in your usual library, tape one to the side of the 98 computer (or

inside the case) and put one in your safe deposit box, because that printer

is liable to outlive you and your heir might turn out to be a "98

enthusiast".

I took apart the new installer for the Deskjet 5400 series and while I could

avoid installing most of the software and just "bare install" the thing to

XP, no can do for 9x systems.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:%23pAKhfb0IHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Right, but he can get a (slightly) older one that does.

> I'm using the HP Laserjet 1018, and deliberately selected that one over

> the newer HP Laserjet 1020 for that reason - I can use it with either my

> WinXP OR my Win98SE computer (which has a USB 2.0 PCI card inside, too).

> (I don't have any real need for InkJets (and having to replace those

> cartridges all the time), so at least that was a non-issue for me).

>

> Ron Badour wrote:

>> You are probably not going to find any new printers that have W98SE

>> drivers.

>> For example, see this HP article:

>> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01080344&lc=en&cc=us&lang=en&os=20&product=441125&dlc=en

>>

>> --

>> Regards

>>

>> Ron Badour

>> MS MVP 1997 - 2008

>>

>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote in message

>> news:4858ae2f$0$43568$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

>>> I have just one more question re the USB facilities on my 98se PC.

>>>

>>> After I successfully plugged a new KB into 1 of 2 USB ports on the rear

>>> panel, (initially I thought there was only one) I was looking at some

>>> cheap

>>> printer/scanners etc for $69. But like

>>> all peripherals these days they are USB. I understand that a converter

>>> adapter may get me back into the parallel port,..but before that

>>> decision

>>> I had a look at "System Properties" then "Device manager" then opened 3

>>> headings under "USB Controllers"

>>>

>>> 1st Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USBUniversal Host Controller (exists in all

>>> hardware profiles)

>>>

>>> 2nd USB Composite Device (exists in all hardware profiles)

>>>

>>> 3rd USB Root hub (exists in all hardware profiles)

>>>

>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>>> Does this info indicate anything meaningfull about the 2 USB ports on

>>> the

>>> PC, in particular whether a printer can be connected to second USB, or

>>> whether a piggy back to the 1st (which currently has the KB).

>>>

>>> TIA,..Jason

>>>

>>> Jason

>

June 19, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:21:37 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>What you see in Device manager is what you'd see for that double-port, to

>answer one of your questions. The first device is the USB controller on the

>motherboard, the second item is the part keyboard itself, the Hub it the

>unit that is connected to and mounted right on the mobo in this case. The

>hub has two ports.

>

>As for printers... Those USB ports on your machine are almost certainly USB

>1.1 and that means slow. Since things like printers have gotten used to

>straight network connection or fast USB2, even with an Parallel port

>adapter, and assuming there are even drivers for your system, they aren't

>likely to work well if at all.

That's not my experience. I am currently using a Canon iP3000 on a Dell

Latitude CPi laptop (P2-300) with USB1.1 port, and there are neither dramas nor

perceptible bottlenecks.

June 19, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:21:37 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>

>>What you see in Device manager is what you'd see for that double-port, to

>>answer one of your questions. The first device is the USB controller on

>>the

>>motherboard, the second item is the part keyboard itself, the Hub it the

>>unit that is connected to and mounted right on the mobo in this case. The

>>hub has two ports.

>>

>>As for printers... Those USB ports on your machine are almost certainly

>>USB

>>1.1 and that means slow. Since things like printers have gotten used to

>>straight network connection or fast USB2, even with an Parallel port

>>adapter, and assuming there are even drivers for your system, they aren't

>>likely to work well if at all.

>

> That's not my experience. I am currently using a Canon iP3000 on a Dell

> Latitude CPi laptop (P2-300) with USB1.1 port, and there are neither

> dramas nor

> perceptible bottlenecks.

No, it's just slow all around. Drama comes when one part is slow and the

other part expects fast. If you'll check that model's specs, though, it says

nothing about USB2, and if it were a USB2 capable machine, it would say so.

(If you don't believe that, check out the specs for newer models in the same

line at Canon.com, say the IP3500.) IOW, your printer was built for USB1.1.

It was also relatively expensive, from what I can discern. That IP3500 is

more in line with what the OP says he's looking at -- CHEAP printers.

In any case, I wasn't stating a rule, just a generality for which you have

provided an excellent exception. Too bad you can't buy them anymore.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

June 19, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

But a somewhat related question might be:

For a printer, though, how much difference does it make if it uses USB 1.1

or USB 2.0? Just wondering - I would think a printer is so slow anyways,

it wouldn't matter (but that's just for a printer).

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> "who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message

> news:rvlj5457tkklshcn0n1h52sbl2cqj7og98@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:21:37 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>>

>>> What you see in Device manager is what you'd see for that double-port,

>>> to

>>> answer one of your questions. The first device is the USB controller on

>>> the

>>> motherboard, the second item is the part keyboard itself, the Hub it the

>>> unit that is connected to and mounted right on the mobo in this case.

>>> The

>>> hub has two ports.

>>>

>>> As for printers... Those USB ports on your machine are almost certainly

>>> USB 1.1 and that means slow. Since things like printers have gotten used

>>> to

>>> straight network connection or fast USB2, even with an Parallel port

>>> adapter, and assuming there are even drivers for your system, they

>>> aren't

>>> likely to work well if at all.

>>

>> That's not my experience. I am currently using a Canon iP3000 on a Dell

>> Latitude CPi laptop (P2-300) with USB1.1 port, and there are neither

>> dramas nor perceptible bottlenecks.

>

> No, it's just slow all around. Drama comes when one part is slow and the

> other part expects fast. If you'll check that model's specs, though, it

> says

> nothing about USB2, and if it were a USB2 capable machine, it would say

> so.

> (If you don't believe that, check out the specs for newer models in the

> same

> line at Canon.com, say the IP3500.) IOW, your printer was built for

> USB1.1.

> It was also relatively expensive, from what I can discern. That IP3500 is

> more in line with what the OP says he's looking at -- CHEAP printers.

>

> In any case, I wasn't stating a rule, just a generality for which you have

> provided an excellent exception. Too bad you can't buy them anymore.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://grystmill.com

June 19, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:uCwYcVe0IHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| But a somewhat related question might be:

| For a printer, though, how much difference does it make if it uses USB 1.1

| or USB 2.0? Just wondering - I would think a printer is so slow

anyways,

| it wouldn't matter (but that's just for a printer).

That seems like a viable comment. The printers own buffer/memory is used to

hold the materials on a first in first out basis, and is replaced everytime

a segment becomes free. Taken with the print spooler [which is the first

actual delay as the printer software converts doc/graphic code to printer

code and stores/preps it], the delay from a USB1.1 verses 2.0 would seem to

be negligable unless one had a super fast printer and/or perhaps a massively

intracate/high def or excessively large graphic print job or mixed *complex*

project, or a printer with limited memory. Then again, it appears the

printer manufactures are off-loading more of the printer's prior [hardware]

activities back upon the system.

I could see, however, a bottleneck in the USB if mutiple devices were being

used, at the same time, on the same base channel.

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

--

_________

|

| Gary S. Terhune wrote:

| > "who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message

| > news:rvlj5457tkklshcn0n1h52sbl2cqj7og98@4ax.com...

| >> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:21:37 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

| >>

| >>> What you see in Device manager is what you'd see for that double-port,

| >>> to

| >>> answer one of your questions. The first device is the USB controller

on

| >>> the

| >>> motherboard, the second item is the part keyboard itself, the Hub it

the

| >>> unit that is connected to and mounted right on the mobo in this case.

| >>> The

| >>> hub has two ports.

| >>>

| >>> As for printers... Those USB ports on your machine are almost

certainly

| >>> USB 1.1 and that means slow. Since things like printers have gotten

used

| >>> to

| >>> straight network connection or fast USB2, even with an Parallel port

| >>> adapter, and assuming there are even drivers for your system, they

| >>> aren't

| >>> likely to work well if at all.

| >>

| >> That's not my experience. I am currently using a Canon iP3000 on a

Dell

| >> Latitude CPi laptop (P2-300) with USB1.1 port, and there are neither

| >> dramas nor perceptible bottlenecks.

| >

| > No, it's just slow all around. Drama comes when one part is slow and the

| > other part expects fast. If you'll check that model's specs, though, it

| > says

| > nothing about USB2, and if it were a USB2 capable machine, it would say

| > so.

| > (If you don't believe that, check out the specs for newer models in the

| > same

| > line at Canon.com, say the IP3500.) IOW, your printer was built for

| > USB1.1.

| > It was also relatively expensive, from what I can discern. That IP3500

is

| > more in line with what the OP says he's looking at -- CHEAP printers.

| >

| > In any case, I wasn't stating a rule, just a generality for which you

have

| > provided an excellent exception. Too bad you can't buy them anymore.

| >

| > --

| > Gary S. Terhune

| > MS-MVP Shell/User

| > http://grystmill.com

|

June 19, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

I'm not going to try to explain it any further, because I'm just not that

technically indoctrinated in the subject and I'd make mistakes that others

would jump on. All I know is I've dealt with a lot of various printers,

inkjet and laser, of varying qualities, and where it was possible to compare

modes of communications (parallel, USB1.1, USB2, 10/100 (and even /1000)

network connections, when large files are involved, the differences are

quite noticeable. These days, large files make up a lot more of the home

user print usage than they used to due to their being images, not PT.

And if you think printers are slow these days, think again. To get the same

kinds of speeds and quality you can get today for $100 to $200, ten years

ago you'd be talking top of the line commercial products costing fifteen to

twenty times more. Much the same thing happens with MFPs and their scanners.

Higher quality scanning is possible, the difference in speeds of various

modes of communications is VERY noticeable.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:uCwYcVe0IHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> But a somewhat related question might be:

> For a printer, though, how much difference does it make if it uses USB 1.1

> or USB 2.0? Just wondering - I would think a printer is so slow

> anyways, it wouldn't matter (but that's just for a printer).

>

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> "who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message

>> news:rvlj5457tkklshcn0n1h52sbl2cqj7og98@4ax.com...

>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:21:37 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>>>

>>>> What you see in Device manager is what you'd see for that double-port,

>>>> to

>>>> answer one of your questions. The first device is the USB controller on

>>>> the

>>>> motherboard, the second item is the part keyboard itself, the Hub it

>>>> the

>>>> unit that is connected to and mounted right on the mobo in this case.

>>>> The

>>>> hub has two ports.

>>>>

>>>> As for printers... Those USB ports on your machine are almost certainly

>>>> USB 1.1 and that means slow. Since things like printers have gotten

>>>> used to

>>>> straight network connection or fast USB2, even with an Parallel port

>>>> adapter, and assuming there are even drivers for your system, they

>>>> aren't

>>>> likely to work well if at all.

>>>

>>> That's not my experience. I am currently using a Canon iP3000 on a Dell

>>> Latitude CPi laptop (P2-300) with USB1.1 port, and there are neither

>>> dramas nor perceptible bottlenecks.

>>

>> No, it's just slow all around. Drama comes when one part is slow and the

>> other part expects fast. If you'll check that model's specs, though, it

>> says

>> nothing about USB2, and if it were a USB2 capable machine, it would say

>> so.

>> (If you don't believe that, check out the specs for newer models in the

>> same

>> line at Canon.com, say the IP3500.) IOW, your printer was built for

>> USB1.1.

>> It was also relatively expensive, from what I can discern. That IP3500 is

>> more in line with what the OP says he's looking at -- CHEAP printers.

>>

>> In any case, I wasn't stating a rule, just a generality for which you

>> have

>> provided an excellent exception. Too bad you can't buy them anymore.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> http://grystmill.com

>

June 19, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:19:19 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> put

finger to keyboard and composed:

>I took apart the new installer for the Deskjet 5400 series and while I could

>avoid installing most of the software and just "bare install" the thing to

>XP, no can do for 9x systems.

I downloaded this Win XP/2K driver pack (51MB):

ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software5/COL11453/dj-33863-1/5400_enu_win2k_xp.exe

The installer created the following subdirectory ...

temp\enu\drivers\win9x_me

.... which contained the following files:

hpzrm114.dl_

hpf5400z.inf

hpf5400x.inf

usbmon.dll

usbprint.sys

A readme.html file for the included HP printer software states that

....

"Product support is not available if your printer is installed on a

computer running Windows 98 (original edition)

To receive product support, your printer must be installed on a

computer running Windows 98 Second Edition (SE) or later."

It seems to me that all the necessary Win98SE stuff is included.

<shrug>

- Franc Zabkar

--

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June 20, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

I find no Readme.html, not inside anything, not anywhere. When I use either

of those INF files, I am immediately prompted to provide HPBMIAPI.DLL, which

also does not exist in the entire collection. I downloaded a set of files

from online that contains that file and claims to include 5400 series

support. However, it has all the missing files that the other one wants,

almost entirely from the DeskJet Imaging that gets installed (and some from

the hp_webrelease folder.) But that second download is a "no_networking"

version, so maybe that's why it won't work. I'm trying to set up this

Win98SE to print to the DeskJet 5440 on my daughter's machine over the

network (USB connected there.)

Anyway, I'm going to drag that printer out and plug it in directly and see

if I can make any of this work. Else I'll have to crack the whip and get her

to find the CD that came with it. Or get lucky and find a copy online.

http://www.driveragent.com isn't much help. Gonna cancel that subscription.

http://www.driverguide.com has all kinds of 98 drivers for the 5400 series, all

48.5MB, v 14.41730, but not one copy is in English! I tried as German one,

but in spite of its claiming to be 9x drivers, it immediately comes up

requiring clusapi.dll, which is an NT-only file.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

http://grystmill.com

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

news:ajol5416p390jsh58g76s4cj2bk3hlcj0l@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:19:19 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> put

> finger to keyboard and composed:

>

>>I took apart the new installer for the Deskjet 5400 series and while I

>>could

>>avoid installing most of the software and just "bare install" the thing to

>>XP, no can do for 9x systems.

>

> I downloaded this Win XP/2K driver pack (51MB):

> ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software5/COL11453/dj-33863-1/5400_enu_win2k_xp.exe

>

> The installer created the following subdirectory ...

>

> temp\enu\drivers\win9x_me

>

> ... which contained the following files:

>

> hpzrm114.dl_

> hpf5400z.inf

> hpf5400x.inf

> usbmon.dll

> usbprint.sys

>

> A readme.html file for the included HP printer software states that

> ...

>

> "Product support is not available if your printer is installed on a

> computer running Windows 98 (original edition)

>

> To receive product support, your printer must be installed on a

> computer running Windows 98 Second Edition (SE) or later."

>

> It seems to me that all the necessary Win98SE stuff is included.

> <shrug>

>

> - Franc Zabkar

> --

> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

June 20, 2008

Re: Question re USB features on win98se PC

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:00:30 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>"who where" <noone@home.net> wrote in message

>news:rvlj5457tkklshcn0n1h52sbl2cqj7og98@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:21:37 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

>>

>>>What you see in Device manager is what you'd see for that double-port, to

>>>answer one of your questions. The first device is the USB controller on

>>>the

>>>motherboard, the second item is the part keyboard itself, the Hub it the

>>>unit that is connected to and mounted right on the mobo in this case. The

>>>hub has two ports.

>>>

>>>As for printers... Those USB ports on your machine are almost certainly

>>>USB

>>>1.1 and that means slow. Since things like printers have gotten used to

>>>straight network connection or fast USB2, even with an Parallel port

>>>adapter, and assuming there are even drivers for your system, they aren't

>>>likely to work well if at all.

>>

>> That's not my experience. I am currently using a Canon iP3000 on a Dell

>> Latitude CPi laptop (P2-300) with USB1.1 port, and there are neither

>> dramas nor

>> perceptible bottlenecks.

>

>No, it's just slow all around. Drama comes when one part is slow and the

>other part expects fast. If you'll check that model's specs, though, it says

>nothing about USB2, and if it were a USB2 capable machine, it would say so.

>(If you don't believe that, check out the specs for newer models in the same

>line at Canon.com, say the IP3500.) IOW, your printer was built for USB1.1.

>It was also relatively expensive, from what I can discern. That IP3500 is

>more in line with what the OP says he's looking at -- CHEAP printers.

This was cheap, and also uses the last of the unchipped carts ;-)

>In any case, I wasn't stating a rule, just a generality for which you have

>provided an excellent exception. Too bad you can't buy them anymore.

I appreciate it may well be an exception, but it works for me (like 98SE).

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