Guest Chris White Posted June 21, 2008 Posted June 21, 2008 I posted on my problem a few days ago, but I've started a new thread since the circumstanses have changed a bit. If I find a solution I will post it to both threads. I put a new motherboard/CPU/memory/OnboardGPU in an Emachines computer. When I booted it Blue Screened. I went to Safe Mode and installed the new drivers(I did not remove the old drivers first and I think this was my problem). I've done a Repair, but still Blue Screening. And when I try to boot to Safe Mode, it tells me I have to Activate and I cannot do that in Safe Mode. There are no BIOS updates. Is there something I can do with the Recovery Console to try and get rid of the old drivers? I am missing some needed CD's with applications that are used. TIA
Guest tru Posted June 21, 2008 Posted June 21, 2008 Re: Catch 22 - Activation vs Blue Screen Did you read this part of the kb article? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824125/en-us Users who run a Microsoft Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) operating system may upgrade or replace most of the hardware components on the computer and still maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software provided by the OEM, with the exception of an upgrade or a replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade or a replacement of the motherboard is considered to create a new personal computer. Therefore, Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer is created, and a new operating system license is required. If the motherboard is replaced because of a defect, the user does not need to acquire a new operating system license for the computer. The motherboard replacement must be the same make and model, or the same manufacturer's replacement or equivalent, as defined by that manufacturer's warranty. The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user license agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by that EULA. The EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user by the computer manufacturer. The EULA relates only to rights for that software as installed on that particular computer. The System Builder is required to support the software on that individual computer. Understanding that end-users, over time, upgrade their computers with different components, Microsoft views the CPU as the one remaining base component that still defines that original computer. Because the motherboard contains the CPU, when the motherboard is replaced for reasons other than defect, a new computer is essentially created. Therefore, the original OEM cannot be expected to support this new computer that they did not manufacture. The licensing rules do not apply to non-OEM Microsoft operating systems. "Chris White" <no@way.com> wrote in message news:eviFSl00IHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > I posted on my problem a few days ago, but I've started a new thread since > the circumstanses have changed a bit. If I find a solution I will post it > to both threads. > > I put a new motherboard/CPU/memory/OnboardGPU in an Emachines computer. > When I booted it Blue Screened. I went to Safe Mode and installed the new > drivers(I did not remove the old drivers first and I think this was my > problem). > > I've done a Repair, but still Blue Screening. And when I try to boot to > Safe Mode, it tells me I have to Activate and I cannot do that in Safe Mode. > > There are no BIOS updates. > > Is there something I can do with the Recovery Console to try and get rid of > the old drivers? > > I am missing some needed CD's with applications that are used. > > TIA > > >
Guest GHalleck Posted June 21, 2008 Posted June 21, 2008 Re: Catch 22 - Activation vs Blue Screen Chris White wrote: > I posted on my problem a few days ago, but I've started a new thread since > the circumstanses have changed a bit. If I find a solution I will post it > to both threads. > > I put a new motherboard/CPU/memory/OnboardGPU in an Emachines computer. > When I booted it Blue Screened. I went to Safe Mode and installed the new > drivers(I did not remove the old drivers first and I think this was my > problem). > > I've done a Repair, but still Blue Screening. And when I try to boot to > Safe Mode, it tells me I have to Activate and I cannot do that in Safe Mode. > > There are no BIOS updates. > > Is there something I can do with the Recovery Console to try and get rid of > the old drivers? > > I am missing some needed CD's with applications that are used. > > TIA > > > Time for a full disclosure. What version or variant of Windows XP was originally installed on the hard drive? Retail Microsoft? OEM Microsoft Windows XP for new machines without an OS? Or E-Machines branded Windows XP?
Guest Alias Posted June 21, 2008 Posted June 21, 2008 Re: Catch 22 - Activation vs Blue Screen tru wrote: > Did you read this part of the kb article? > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824125/en-us > > Users who run a Microsoft Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) operating > system may upgrade or replace most of the hardware components on the > computer and still maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM > operating system software provided by the OEM, with the exception of an > upgrade or a replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade or a replacement of > the motherboard is considered to create a new personal computer. Therefore, > Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another > computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than > a defect then a new computer is created, and a new operating system license > is required. If the motherboard is replaced because of a defect, the user > does not need to acquire a new operating system license for the computer. > The motherboard replacement must be the same make and model, or the same > manufacturer's replacement or equivalent, as defined by that manufacturer's > warranty. The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the > end-user license agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by > that EULA. The EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user by the > computer manufacturer. The EULA relates only to rights for that software as > installed on that particular computer. The System Builder is required to > support the software on that individual computer. > > Understanding that end-users, over time, upgrade their computers with > different components, Microsoft views the CPU as the one remaining base > component that still defines that original computer. Because the motherboard > contains the CPU, when the motherboard is replaced for reasons other than > defect, a new computer is essentially created. Therefore, the original OEM > cannot be expected to support this new computer that they did not > manufacture. > > The licensing rules do not apply to non-OEM Microsoft operating systems. They don't apply to generic OEM licenses either. The ONLY EULA one has to abide by is the one that comes with the license, not something MS made up after the fact. Alias > > > > "Chris White" <no@way.com> wrote in message > news:eviFSl00IHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> I posted on my problem a few days ago, but I've started a new thread since >> the circumstanses have changed a bit. If I find a solution I will post it >> to both threads. >> >> I put a new motherboard/CPU/memory/OnboardGPU in an Emachines computer. >> When I booted it Blue Screened. I went to Safe Mode and installed the new >> drivers(I did not remove the old drivers first and I think this was my >> problem). >> >> I've done a Repair, but still Blue Screening. And when I try to boot to >> Safe Mode, it tells me I have to Activate and I cannot do that in Safe > Mode. >> There are no BIOS updates. >> >> Is there something I can do with the Recovery Console to try and get rid > of >> the old drivers? >> >> I am missing some needed CD's with applications that are used. >> >> TIA >> >> >> > >
Guest Alias Posted June 21, 2008 Posted June 21, 2008 Re: Catch 22 - Activation vs Blue Screen Chris White wrote: > I posted on my problem a few days ago, but I've started a new thread since > the circumstanses have changed a bit. If I find a solution I will post it > to both threads. > > I put a new motherboard/CPU/memory/OnboardGPU in an Emachines computer. > When I booted it Blue Screened. I went to Safe Mode and installed the new > drivers(I did not remove the old drivers first and I think this was my > problem). > > I've done a Repair, but still Blue Screening. And when I try to boot to > Safe Mode, it tells me I have to Activate and I cannot do that in Safe Mode. > > There are no BIOS updates. > > Is there something I can do with the Recovery Console to try and get rid of > the old drivers? > > I am missing some needed CD's with applications that are used. > > TIA > > > Go back into Safe Mode and remove all the drivers. Reboot into normal mode and reinstall the drivers. Alias
Guest Chris White Posted June 21, 2008 Posted June 21, 2008 Re: Catch 22 - Activation vs Blue Screen "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmailTHIS.com> wrote in message news:g3im6u$t4b$7@aioe.org... > Chris White wrote: >> I posted on my problem a few days ago, but I've started a new thread >> since the circumstanses have changed a bit. If I find a solution I will >> post it to both threads. >> >> I put a new motherboard/CPU/memory/OnboardGPU in an Emachines computer. >> When I booted it Blue Screened. I went to Safe Mode and installed the >> new drivers(I did not remove the old drivers first and I think this was >> my problem). >> >> I've done a Repair, but still Blue Screening. And when I try to boot to >> Safe Mode, it tells me I have to Activate and I cannot do that in Safe >> Mode. >> >> There are no BIOS updates. >> >> Is there something I can do with the Recovery Console to try and get rid >> of the old drivers? >> >> I am missing some needed CD's with applications that are used. >> >> TIA >> >> >> > > Go back into Safe Mode and remove all the drivers. Reboot into normal mode > and reinstall the drivers. > > Alias I cannot get into Safe Mode, it says I have to boot regular and activate. I cannot boot regular and activate because it blue screens. Thus my Catch 22. I WANT to activate. The motherboard died and I had to replace the whole guts of the computer. I am not worried about licensing as I've done this a couple of times with MS. I'm trying to not do a complete reinstall as this is a relatively new computer with a clean install of some applications that I do not a have a recovery CD for. Is there a way to remove offending drivers(I'm suspecting the video driver) with Recovery Console or some other method?
Guest Daave Posted June 21, 2008 Posted June 21, 2008 Re: Catch 22 - Activation vs Blue Screen Alias wrote: > tru wrote: >> Did you read this part of the kb article? >> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824125/en-us >> >> Users who run a Microsoft Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) >> operating system may upgrade or replace most of the hardware >> components on the computer and still maintain the license for the >> original Microsoft OEM operating system software provided by the >> OEM, with the exception of an upgrade or a replacement of the >> motherboard. An upgrade or a replacement of the motherboard is >> considered to create a new personal computer. Therefore, Microsoft >> OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another >> computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons >> other than a defect then a new computer is created, and a new >> operating system license is required. If the motherboard is replaced >> because of a defect, the user does not need to acquire a new >> operating system license for the computer. The motherboard >> replacement must be the same make and model, or the same >> manufacturer's replacement or equivalent, as defined by that >> manufacturer's warranty. The reason for this licensing rule >> primarily relates to the end-user license agreement (EULA) and the >> support of the software covered by that EULA. The EULA is a set of >> usage rights granted to the end-user by the computer manufacturer. >> The EULA relates only to rights for that software as installed on >> that particular computer. The System Builder is required to support >> the software on that individual computer. Understanding that >> end-users, over time, upgrade their computers with >> different components, Microsoft views the CPU as the one remaining >> base component that still defines that original computer. Because >> the motherboard contains the CPU, when the motherboard is replaced >> for reasons other than defect, a new computer is essentially >> created. Therefore, the original OEM cannot be expected to support >> this new computer that they did not manufacture. >> >> The licensing rules do not apply to non-OEM Microsoft operating >> systems. > > They don't apply to generic OEM licenses either. The ONLY EULA one has > to abide by is the one that comes with the license, not something MS > made up after the fact. Alias is absolutely correct. From the EULA: "The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER." Nowhere in the EULA does it state that if "the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer is created, and a new operating system license is required." Bottom line: Microsoft stating this addendum in a KB article after the fact does not alter the EULA one iota.
Guest Alias Posted June 21, 2008 Posted June 21, 2008 Re: Catch 22 - Activation vs Blue Screen Chris White wrote: > "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmailTHIS.com> wrote in message > news:g3im6u$t4b$7@aioe.org... >> Chris White wrote: >>> I posted on my problem a few days ago, but I've started a new thread >>> since the circumstanses have changed a bit. If I find a solution I will >>> post it to both threads. >>> >>> I put a new motherboard/CPU/memory/OnboardGPU in an Emachines computer. >>> When I booted it Blue Screened. I went to Safe Mode and installed the >>> new drivers(I did not remove the old drivers first and I think this was >>> my problem). >>> >>> I've done a Repair, but still Blue Screening. And when I try to boot to >>> Safe Mode, it tells me I have to Activate and I cannot do that in Safe >>> Mode. >>> >>> There are no BIOS updates. >>> >>> Is there something I can do with the Recovery Console to try and get rid >>> of the old drivers? >>> >>> I am missing some needed CD's with applications that are used. >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> >>> >> Go back into Safe Mode and remove all the drivers. Reboot into normal mode >> and reinstall the drivers. >> >> Alias > > I cannot get into Safe Mode, it says I have to boot regular and activate. When does it say that? Does it say that if you hit F8 to get to the list for entering Safe Mode? If so, I'm afraid you're SOL and will have to do a clean install and somehow find the lost CDs for your programs. That said, you could try doing an repair install. See http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm Alias I > cannot boot regular and activate because it blue screens. Thus my Catch 22. > I WANT to activate. The motherboard died and I had to replace the whole > guts of the computer. > > I am not worried about licensing as I've done this a couple of times with > MS. > > I'm trying to not do a complete reinstall as this is a relatively new > computer with a clean install of some applications that I do not a have a > recovery CD for. > > Is there a way to remove offending drivers(I'm suspecting the video driver) > with Recovery Console or some other method? > >
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