Another Vista install tip

June 30, 2008

Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

This one took me one hour to solve it.

I was supposed to be an easy one.

Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE DVD was

just a piece of cake.

Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD drivers!!!

Drivers for vanilla IDE?

WTF?

I tried every known recipe.

Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase memory

voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

No dice.

Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80 conductor ones.

I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my junk

box and that was it.

No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

:)

Carlos

June 30, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

Nice post.

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

> Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

> Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

> This one took me one hour to solve it.

> I was supposed to be an easy one.

> Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE DVD

> was

> just a piece of cake.

> Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD drivers!!!

> Drivers for vanilla IDE?

> WTF?

> I tried every known recipe.

> Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase memory

> voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

> No dice.

> Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

> It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80 conductor

> ones.

> I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my junk

> box and that was it.

> No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

> :)

> Carlos

June 30, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion as

well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff was

'the bees knees'?

(more, I'd say!)

Tony. . .

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

> Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

> Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

> This one took me one hour to solve it.

> I was supposed to be an easy one.

> Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE DVD

was

> just a piece of cake.

> Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD drivers!!!

> Drivers for vanilla IDE?

> WTF?

> I tried every known recipe.

> Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase memory

> voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

> No dice.

> Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

> It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80 conductor

ones.

> I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my junk

> box and that was it.

> No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

> :)

> Carlos

June 30, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

More interesting info for our bag of tricks...

A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles when

using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.

The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in an

MSI motherboard.

They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS

motherboards.

Magic? Hard to believe, uh?

Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.

Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion as

> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff was

> 'the bees knees'?

>

> (more, I'd say!)

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

> > This one took me one hour to solve it.

> > I was supposed to be an easy one.

> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE DVD

> was

> > just a piece of cake.

> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD drivers!!!

> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?

> > WTF?

> > I tried every known recipe.

> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase memory

> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

> > No dice.

> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80 conductor

> ones.

> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my junk

> > box and that was it.

> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

> > :)

> > Carlos

>

June 30, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks migrate an

old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost always

40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the much

higher frequencies.

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...

> More interesting info for our bag of tricks...

> A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles when

> using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.

> The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in an

> MSI motherboard.

> They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS

> motherboards.

> Magic? Hard to believe, uh?

> Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.

> Carlos

>

> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>

>> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion as

>> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff was

>> 'the bees knees'?

>>

>> (more, I'd say!)

>>

>> Tony. . .

>>

>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

>> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

>> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

>> > This one took me one hour to solve it.

>> > I was supposed to be an easy one.

>> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE

>> > DVD

>> was

>> > just a piece of cake.

>> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD

>> > drivers!!!

>> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?

>> > WTF?

>> > I tried every known recipe.

>> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase

>> > memory

>> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

>> > No dice.

>> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

>> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80 conductor

>> ones.

>> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my

>> > junk

>> > box and that was it.

>> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

>> > :)

>> > Carlos

>>

June 30, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA on a

40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it doesn't

always do that, apparently.

Tony. . .

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...

> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks migrate

an

> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost

always

> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the

much

> higher frequencies.

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...

> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...

> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles

when

> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.

> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in

an

> > MSI motherboard.

> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS

> > motherboards.

> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?

> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.

> > Carlos

> >

> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> >

> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion

as

> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff

was

> >> 'the bees knees'?

> >>

> >> (more, I'd say!)

> >>

> >> Tony. . .

> >>

> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.

> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.

> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE

> >> > DVD

> >> was

> >> > just a piece of cake.

> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD

> >> > drivers!!!

> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?

> >> > WTF?

> >> > I tried every known recipe.

> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase

> >> > memory

> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

> >> > No dice.

> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80

conductor

> >> ones.

> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in my

> >> > junk

> >> > box and that was it.

> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

> >> > :)

> >> > Carlos

> >>

>

June 30, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

The user generally just reports a symptom, like "when I try to read a cd it

starts but never finishes" or "I can't find my drive in Computer."

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:%2356$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA on

> a

> 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it doesn't

> always do that, apparently.

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...

>> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks migrate

> an

>> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost

> always

>> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the

> much

>> higher frequencies.

>>

>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...

>> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...

>> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles

> when

>> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.

>> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in

> an

>> > MSI motherboard.

>> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS

>> > motherboards.

>> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?

>> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.

>> > Carlos

>> >

>> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion

> as

>> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff

> was

>> >> 'the bees knees'?

>> >>

>> >> (more, I'd say!)

>> >>

>> >> Tony. . .

>> >>

>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

>> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

>> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.

>> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.

>> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE

>> >> > DVD

>> >> was

>> >> > just a piece of cake.

>> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD

>> >> > drivers!!!

>> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?

>> >> > WTF?

>> >> > I tried every known recipe.

>> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase

>> >> > memory

>> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

>> >> > No dice.

>> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

>> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80

> conductor

>> >> ones.

>> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in

>> >> > my

>> >> > junk

>> >> > box and that was it.

>> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

>> >> > :)

>> >> > Carlos

>> >>

>>

>

July 1, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

Hi, Tony.

But it is STILL a 40-pin CONNECTOR. There are 80 wires in the cable, but

only 40 pins at each end.

Maybe I could understand this if I were an electrician, but as an

accountant, I just have to believe. :^}

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:#56$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA on

> a

> 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it doesn't

> always do that, apparently.

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...

>> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks migrate

> an

>> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost

> always

>> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the

> much

>> higher frequencies.

>>

>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...

>> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...

>> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles

> when

>> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.

>> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in

> an

>> > MSI motherboard.

>> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS

>> > motherboards.

>> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?

>> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.

>> > Carlos

>> >

>> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion

> as

>> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff

> was

>> >> 'the bees knees'?

>> >>

>> >> (more, I'd say!)

>> >>

>> >> Tony. . .

>> >>

>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

>> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

>> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.

>> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.

>> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE

>> >> > DVD

>> >> was

>> >> > just a piece of cake.

>> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD

>> >> > drivers!!!

>> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?

>> >> > WTF?

>> >> > I tried every known recipe.

>> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase

>> >> > memory

>> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

>> >> > No dice.

>> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

>> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80

> conductor

>> >> ones.

>> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in

>> >> > my

>> >> > junk

>> >> > box and that was it.

>> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

>> >> > :)

>> >> > Carlos

July 1, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

On 01/07/2008 in message

<C4E43D06-FCCE-4372-B272-3ED2DD38F749@microsoft.com> R. C. White wrote:

>But it is STILL a 40-pin CONNECTOR. There are 80 wires in the cable, but

>only 40 pins at each end.

>

>Maybe I could understand this if I were an electrician, but as an

>accountant, I just have to believe. :^}

Have faith :-)

The extra 40 wires are all connected to earth (ground for the Americans)

and in some magical way damp down spurious emissions thus allowing a

faster throughput of data, bit like auditors!

--

Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK

It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

July 1, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

I don't know, I've always thought the laws of electricity resembled female

'logic' (no offense, intended) in the way the both of them incorporate this

strange property called 'Potential', without which the universe wouldn't

work?

What were we to do without the Wiki's, here is one that 'might' help us

along:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment

it has nice pin-out tables to accompany the potentials and perhaps an

accountant could find some small relation somewhere in there? I'm not sure I

could - but I rather think it does look a bit 'help-like', doesn't it?

Tony. . .

"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

news:C4E43D06-FCCE-4372-B272-3ED2DD38F749@microsoft.com...

> Hi, Tony.

>

> But it is STILL a 40-pin CONNECTOR. There are 80 wires in the cable, but

> only 40 pins at each end.

>

> Maybe I could understand this if I were an electrician, but as an

> accountant, I just have to believe. :^}

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> news:#56$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA

on

> > a

> > 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it

doesn't

> > always do that, apparently.

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> > news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...

> >> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks

migrate

> > an

> >> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost

> > always

> >> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the

> > much

> >> higher frequencies.

> >>

> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...

> >> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...

> >> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles

> > when

> >> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.

> >> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used

in

> > an

> >> > MSI motherboard.

> >> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on

ASUS

> >> > motherboards.

> >> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?

> >> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.

> >> > Carlos

> >> >

> >> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare

occasion

> > as

> >> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that

stuff

> > was

> >> >> 'the bees knees'?

> >> >>

> >> >> (more, I'd say!)

> >> >>

> >> >> Tony. . .

> >> >>

> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

> >> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

> >> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.

> >> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.

> >> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID,

IDE

> >> >> > DVD

> >> >> was

> >> >> > just a piece of cake.

> >> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD

> >> >> > drivers!!!

> >> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?

> >> >> > WTF?

> >> >> > I tried every known recipe.

> >> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase

> >> >> > memory

> >> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

> >> >> > No dice.

> >> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

> >> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80

> > conductor

> >> >> ones.

> >> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in

> >> >> > my

> >> >> > junk

> >> >> > box and that was it.

> >> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

> >> >> > :)

> >> >> > Carlos

>

July 1, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

Hi, Jeff.

> faster throughput of data, bit like auditors!

;^}

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message

news:xn0fs5r2wuzgm1e002@msnews.microsoft.com...

> On 01/07/2008 in message

> <C4E43D06-FCCE-4372-B272-3ED2DD38F749@microsoft.com> R. C. White wrote:

>

>>But it is STILL a 40-pin CONNECTOR. There are 80 wires in the cable, but

>>only 40 pins at each end.

>>

>>Maybe I could understand this if I were an electrician, but as an

>>accountant, I just have to believe. :^}

>

> Have faith :-)

>

> The extra 40 wires are all connected to earth (ground for the Americans)

> and in some magical way damp down spurious emissions thus allowing a

> faster throughput of data, bit like auditors!

>

> --

> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK

> It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to

> others.

July 1, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

Hi, Tony.

Thanks for that link. I hope I find time to read it - slowly - soon. ;<)

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:#Pl0Co12IHA.784@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> I don't know, I've always thought the laws of electricity resembled female

> 'logic' (no offense, intended) in the way the both of them incorporate

> this

> strange property called 'Potential', without which the universe wouldn't

> work?

>

> What were we to do without the Wiki's, here is one that 'might' help us

> along:

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment

>

> it has nice pin-out tables to accompany the potentials and perhaps an

> accountant could find some small relation somewhere in there? I'm not sure

> I

> could - but I rather think it does look a bit 'help-like', doesn't it?

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

> news:C4E43D06-FCCE-4372-B272-3ED2DD38F749@microsoft.com...

>> Hi, Tony.

>>

>> But it is STILL a 40-pin CONNECTOR. There are 80 wires in the cable, but

>> only 40 pins at each end.

>>

>> Maybe I could understand this if I were an electrician, but as an

>> accountant, I just have to believe. :^}

>>

>> RC

>>

>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

>> news:#56$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> > But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA

> on

>> > a

>> > 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it

> doesn't

>> > always do that, apparently.

>> >

>> > Tony. . .

>> >

>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> > news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...

>> >> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks

> migrate

>> > an

>> >> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost

>> > always

>> >> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the

>> > much

>> >> higher frequencies.

>> >>

>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...

>> >> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...

>> >> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles

>> > when

>> >> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.

>> >> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used

> in

>> > an

>> >> > MSI motherboard.

>> >> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on

> ASUS

>> >> > motherboards.

>> >> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?

>> >> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.

>> >> > Carlos

>> >> >

>> >> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare

> occasion

>> > as

>> >> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that

> stuff

>> > was

>> >> >> 'the bees knees'?

>> >> >>

>> >> >> (more, I'd say!)

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Tony. . .

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

>> >> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

>> >> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.

>> >> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.

>> >> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID,

> IDE

>> >> >> > DVD

>> >> >> was

>> >> >> > just a piece of cake.

>> >> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD

>> >> >> > drivers!!!

>> >> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?

>> >> >> > WTF?

>> >> >> > I tried every known recipe.

>> >> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!),

>> >> >> > increase

>> >> >> > memory

>> >> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

>> >> >> > No dice.

>> >> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

>> >> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80

>> > conductor

>> >> >> ones.

>> >> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had

>> >> >> > in

>> >> >> > my

>> >> >> > junk

>> >> >> > box and that was it.

>> >> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

>> >> >> > :)

>> >> >> > Carlos

July 1, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

There are still only 40 connectors. There are just additional wires

interspersed to ground the crosstalk.

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:%2356$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA on

> a

> 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it doesn't

> always do that, apparently.

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...

>> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks migrate

> an

>> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost

> always

>> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the

> much

>> higher frequencies.

>>

>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...

>> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...

>> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles

> when

>> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.

>> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used in

> an

>> > MSI motherboard.

>> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on ASUS

>> > motherboards.

>> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?

>> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.

>> > Carlos

>> >

>> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare occasion

> as

>> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that stuff

> was

>> >> 'the bees knees'?

>> >>

>> >> (more, I'd say!)

>> >>

>> >> Tony. . .

>> >>

>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

>> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

>> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.

>> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.

>> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID, IDE

>> >> > DVD

>> >> was

>> >> > just a piece of cake.

>> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD

>> >> > drivers!!!

>> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?

>> >> > WTF?

>> >> > I tried every known recipe.

>> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase

>> >> > memory

>> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

>> >> > No dice.

>> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

>> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80

> conductor

>> >> ones.

>> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in

>> >> > my

>> >> > junk

>> >> > box and that was it.

>> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

>> >> > :)

>> >> > Carlos

>> >>

>>

>

July 1, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

Yes, I do confess I really had not paid attention to that, but assumed

everybody was talking about the cabling (wires).

R.C. and the wiki both made me see the light. With the number of flat cables

lying about in drawers everywhere, it is not a mystery that a number of them

sooner or later happens to be installed where they shouldn't be. But I still

think that the fact that it will not run DMA should be a give-away. That is

like pulling the brakes on every operation.

Tony. . .

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:90CD0517-23CD-460E-82C8-95BBD9202A94@microsoft.com...

> There are still only 40 connectors. There are just additional wires

> interspersed to ground the crosstalk.

>

> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> news:%2356$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA

on

> > a

> > 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it

doesn't

> > always do that, apparently.

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> > news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...

> >> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks

migrate

> > an

> >> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost

> > always

> >> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the

> > much

> >> higher frequencies.

> >>

> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...

> >> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...

> >> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles

> > when

> >> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.

> >> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used

in

> > an

> >> > MSI motherboard.

> >> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on

ASUS

> >> > motherboards.

> >> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?

> >> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.

> >> > Carlos

> >> >

> >> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare

occasion

> > as

> >> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that

stuff

> > was

> >> >> 'the bees knees'?

> >> >>

> >> >> (more, I'd say!)

> >> >>

> >> >> Tony. . .

> >> >>

> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

> >> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

> >> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.

> >> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.

> >> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID,

IDE

> >> >> > DVD

> >> >> was

> >> >> > just a piece of cake.

> >> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD

> >> >> > drivers!!!

> >> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?

> >> >> > WTF?

> >> >> > I tried every known recipe.

> >> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!), increase

> >> >> > memory

> >> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

> >> >> > No dice.

> >> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

> >> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80

> > conductor

> >> >> ones.

> >> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had in

> >> >> > my

> >> >> > junk

> >> >> > box and that was it.

> >> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

> >> >> > :)

> >> >> > Carlos

> >> >>

> >>

> >

>

July 2, 2008

Re: Another Vista install tip

I agree. It should tip off the interference, but if a naive user doesn't

know beans about hardware stuff then the symptom makes the user think it is

Vista because that is what he is interacting with. A common complaint is

that it is taking hours to try to copy something and it never completes

successfully.

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:%23wXFLW92IHA.4500@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Yes, I do confess I really had not paid attention to that, but assumed

> everybody was talking about the cabling (wires).

>

> R.C. and the wiki both made me see the light. With the number of flat

> cables

> lying about in drawers everywhere, it is not a mystery that a number of

> them

> sooner or later happens to be installed where they shouldn't be. But I

> still

> think that the fact that it will not run DMA should be a give-away. That

> is

> like pulling the brakes on every operation.

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:90CD0517-23CD-460E-82C8-95BBD9202A94@microsoft.com...

>> There are still only 40 connectors. There are just additional wires

>> interspersed to ground the crosstalk.

>>

>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

>> news:%2356$BVv2IHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> > But, even if you can make it work (sometimes) you cannot make it do DMA

> on

>> > a

>> > 40-pin connector - that should give it away in an instant? But it

> doesn't

>> > always do that, apparently.

>> >

>> > Tony. . .

>> >

>> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> > news:0BD41D87-05E3-428E-B6E6-7351DE24427C@microsoft.com...

>> >> One place the crosstalk problem still shows up is when DIY folks

> migrate

>> > an

>> >> old optical drive that has an integrated IDE cable. Those are almost

>> > always

>> >> 40-pin/40-wire and just won't work with modern hardware because of the

>> > much

>> >> higher frequencies.

>> >>

>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:0A177D74-5348-4BA1-AB14-8D40844B41F6@microsoft.com...

>> >> > More interesting info for our bag of tricks...

>> >> > A couple of repair technicians in the city told me they had troubles

>> > when

>> >> > using those fancy ASUS black IDE cables on non-ASUS motherboards.

>> >> > The one I had to dump was a 40 conductor ASUS IDE cable, being used

> in

>> > an

>> >> > MSI motherboard.

>> >> > They also told me that those problematic cables work flawlessly on

> ASUS

>> >> > motherboards.

>> >> > Magic? Hard to believe, uh?

>> >> > Maybe it is a subject for Sci-Fi channel.

>> >> > Carlos

>> >> >

>> >> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> Yes, I definitely still come across one of those on the rare

> occasion

>> > as

>> >> >> well - but, hey! isn't it about ten years (or more?) since that

> stuff

>> > was

>> >> >> 'the bees knees'?

>> >> >>

>> >> >> (more, I'd say!)

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Tony. . .

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> >> news:2E2CC6DC-4C72-496C-8A33-998D6E59B2A7@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> > Along time, more and more people is moving on to Vista.

>> >> >> > Guess who they call in town when they have a trouble?

>> >> >> > This one took me one hour to solve it.

>> >> >> > I was supposed to be an easy one.

>> >> >> > Vista x64 on an nVidia nForce 550 based mobo, had disks in RAID,

> IDE

>> >> >> > DVD

>> >> >> was

>> >> >> > just a piece of cake.

>> >> >> > Well... not. After booting off the DVD, Vista would ask for DVD

>> >> >> > drivers!!!

>> >> >> > Drivers for vanilla IDE?

>> >> >> > WTF?

>> >> >> > I tried every known recipe.

>> >> >> > Flash BIOS, reduce memory speed (they were only 2 gigs!),

>> >> >> > increase

>> >> >> > memory

>> >> >> > voltage, disable every non necessary device, unplug everything.

>> >> >> > No dice.

>> >> >> > Until I took a closer look at the DVD IDE flat cable.

>> >> >> > It was an "old" 40 conductor cable as opposed to the newer 80

>> > conductor

>> >> >> ones.

>> >> >> > I replaced it, using a very bad looking ugly 80 conductor I had

>> >> >> > in

>> >> >> > my

>> >> >> > junk

>> >> >> > box and that was it.

>> >> >> > No more asking for IDE drivers, smooth install.

>> >> >> > :)

>> >> >> > Carlos

>> >> >>

>> >>

>> >

>>

>

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