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Hey,

I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of

XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot

the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't

get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

"+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me

to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't

allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

Max

 

PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though

they are supposed to work just fine together.

 

 

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Guest Mick Murphy

Guest Mick Murphy

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RE: Dual Boot ???????

 

http://www.vistabootpro.org/

 

Have a read about VistaBootPRO.

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Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia

 

 

"MadMax75th" wrote:

>

> Hey,

> I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of

> XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot

> the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't

> get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

> "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

> happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me

> to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't

> allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

> Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

> Max

>

> PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though

> they are supposed to work just fine together.

>

>

> --

> MadMax75th

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Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

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Re: Dual Boot ???????

 

See my blog from 2005...

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx

 

This assumes you actually installed the XP 32-bit partition, however, rather

than plugged one in that was installed on a different computer. That will

almost never work well, since it needs to be installed to the hardware it's

actually being used on.

 

A better solution if you simply need access to a 32-bit version of XP from

XP x64 on an occasional basis, or for a specific task/application is to use

a virtual machine to run XP 32-bit. See

https://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2006/03/29/88280.aspx for details.

That assumes Virtual Server, since the Virtual PC version for 64-bit wasn't

out yet, but the same basic solution works well for Virtual PC as well. And

Virtual PC is probably a better solution for most XP users.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

"MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

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>

> Hey,

> I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of

> XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot

> the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't

> get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

> "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

> happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me

> to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't

> allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

> Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

> Max

>

> PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though

> they are supposed to work just fine together.

>

>

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Guest Tony Sperling

Guest Tony Sperling

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Re: Dual Boot ???????

 

Just curious - would a 'Repair Install' to both systems work?

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:9ECFEEF1-7E4F-4F8F-9489-5B4C2763FAF3@microsoft.com...

> See my blog from 2005...

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx

>

> This assumes you actually installed the XP 32-bit partition, however,

rather

> than plugged one in that was installed on a different computer. That will

> almost never work well, since it needs to be installed to the hardware

it's

> actually being used on.

>

> A better solution if you simply need access to a 32-bit version of XP from

> XP x64 on an occasional basis, or for a specific task/application is to

use

> a virtual machine to run XP 32-bit. See

> https://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2006/03/29/88280.aspx for

details.

> That assumes Virtual Server, since the Virtual PC version for 64-bit

wasn't

> out yet, but the same basic solution works well for Virtual PC as well.

And

> Virtual PC is probably a better solution for most XP users.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

> "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

> news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com...

> >

> > Hey,

> > I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of

> > XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot

> > the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't

> > get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

> > "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

> > happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me

> > to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't

> > allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

> > Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

> > Max

> >

> > PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though

> > they are supposed to work just fine together.

> >

> >

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Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

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Re: Dual Boot ???????

 

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

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> Just curious - would a 'Repair Install' to both systems work?

>

>

> Tony. . .

>>

>

>

 

It would be way overkill. See:

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx

Especially the Repair option in the Wrong Order paragraph. That should be

enough.

Guest thecreator

Guest thecreator

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Re: Dual Boot ???????

 

Hi Max,

 

BootIt NG will dual-boot both Drives for you.

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm

 

BootIT NG can create a seperate FAT partition on an NTFS Drive and it

can be hidden.

 

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"MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

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>

> Hey,

> I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of

> XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot

> the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't

> get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

> "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

> happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me

> to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't

> allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

> Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

> Max

>

> PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though

> they are supposed to work just fine together.

>

>

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Guest Tony Sperling

Guest Tony Sperling

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Re: Dual Boot ???????

 

Yes, true enough, although I see no paragraph concerning 'wrong order

repairs' in that link (Charlies Blog). . ?

 

But I had certainly visualized repairing in the right order. Repairing the

XP version (after FDISK'ing and making that partition unbootable) would

presumeably make it impossible to boot the machine from HD at all?

 

Then repairing XP x64, would put everything back with the addition? Or???

 

The obvious stumbling block, of course, is that initially you'll have two

active boot-sectors and dual MBR's on different drives. I can see that there

is no apparent reason why this should be corrected by a dual repair - but, I

can also not see any apparent reason why it might not!

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> news:O58yAs33IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > Just curious - would a 'Repair Install' to both systems work?

> >

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >>

> >

> >

>

> It would be way overkill. See:

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx

> Especially the Repair option in the Wrong Order paragraph. That should be

> enough.

>

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
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Re: Dual Boot ???????

 

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:uA2dxJ53IHA.4856@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Yes, true enough, although I see no paragraph concerning 'wrong order

> repairs' in that link (Charlies Blog). . ?

>

> But I had certainly visualized repairing in the right order. Repairing the

> XP version (after FDISK'ing and making that partition unbootable) would

> presumeably make it impossible to boot the machine from HD at all?

>

> Then repairing XP x64, would put everything back with the addition? Or???

>

> The obvious stumbling block, of course, is that initially you'll have two

> active boot-sectors and dual MBR's on different drives. I can see that

> there

> is no apparent reason why this should be corrected by a dual repair - but,

> I

> can also not see any apparent reason why it might not!

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:8DFDC057-4960-4C03-8131-324FCE0618FB@microsoft.com...

>> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

>> news:O58yAs33IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> > Just curious - would a 'Repair Install' to both systems work?

>> >

>> >

>> > Tony. . .

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>>

>> It would be way overkill. See:

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx

>> Especially the Repair option in the Wrong Order paragraph. That should

>> be

>> enough.

>>

>

>

 

Scroll down to the fifth major topic, "Wrong Order".

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
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Re: Dual Boot ???????

 

"thecreator" <thecreator@home.com> wrote in message

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> Hi Max,

>

> BootIt NG will dual-boot both Drives for you.

> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm

>

> BootIT NG can create a seperate FAT partition on an NTFS Drive and it

> can be hidden.

>

> --

> thecreator

>

> "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

> news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com...

>>

>> Hey,

>> I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of

>> XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot

>> the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't

>> get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

>> "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

>> happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me

>> to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't

>> allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

>> Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

>> Max

>>

>> PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though

>> they are supposed to work just fine together.

>>

>>

>> --

>> MadMax75th

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>

>

 

It isn't needed. He just has to copy a few files.

Guest Andy

Guest Andy

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Re: Dual Boot ???????

 

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:50:39 +0530, MadMax75th

<MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:

>

>Hey,

>I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of

>XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot

>the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't

>get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

>"+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

>happens!

 

Use the numeric keypad.

 

The motherboard BIOS probably accepts a function key input during POST

to override the default boot device.

 

Edit the boot.ini on the XP64 disk, adding a line for XP32 (rdisk(1)).

>Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me

>to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't

>allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

>Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

>Max

>

>PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though

>they are supposed to work just fine together.

Guest piccolo

Guest piccolo

Posted
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Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

I just bought a Dell Precision workstation with XP 64-bit only to discover

that I have a lot of software that only runs on 32-bit (and no fixes are

available). HP and Nikon are two companies that do not support 64-bit. So I

just wrote a long post asking how difficult it is to install Windows XP 32

over Windows XP 64.

 

That gives you an idea of my level of technical competence (not great).

 

But is it possible to run 32-bit software on my machine without installing a

new OS? and, if yes, how? In the other message, you mention something called

Virtual PC; what is that and where do I find it?

 

Thanks in advance

--

Regards,

 

Piccolo

 

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> See my blog from 2005...

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx

>

> This assumes you actually installed the XP 32-bit partition, however, rather

> than plugged one in that was installed on a different computer. That will

> almost never work well, since it needs to be installed to the hardware it's

> actually being used on.

>

> A better solution if you simply need access to a 32-bit version of XP from

> XP x64 on an occasional basis, or for a specific task/application is to use

> a virtual machine to run XP 32-bit. See

> https://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2006/03/29/88280.aspx for details.

> That assumes Virtual Server, since the Virtual PC version for 64-bit wasn't

> out yet, but the same basic solution works well for Virtual PC as well. And

> Virtual PC is probably a better solution for most XP users.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

> "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

> news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com...

> >

> > Hey,

> > I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of

> > XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot

> > the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't

> > get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

> > "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

> > happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me

> > to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't

> > allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

> > Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

> > Max

> >

> > PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though

> > they are supposed to work just fine together.

> >

> >

> > --

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Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Posted
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Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

You still need to install a second OS - and you need a license for it as

well. I've already answered your other other query. Virtual PC is a product

(free) from Microsoft. There are also third party virtualization solutions -

VMWare being the biggest name in this area.

 

HP, fwiw, does a pretty decent job of supporting 64-bit. I've had few

problems finding drivers for my HP hardware. Of course, I'm pretty careful

about what HP hardware I buy.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:38AFF45A-8868-40B3-A967-88FD6014ABEC@microsoft.com...

>I just bought a Dell Precision workstation with XP 64-bit only to discover

> that I have a lot of software that only runs on 32-bit (and no fixes are

> available). HP and Nikon are two companies that do not support 64-bit. So

> I

> just wrote a long post asking how difficult it is to install Windows XP 32

> over Windows XP 64.

>

> That gives you an idea of my level of technical competence (not great).

>

> But is it possible to run 32-bit software on my machine without installing

> a

> new OS? and, if yes, how? In the other message, you mention something

> called

> Virtual PC; what is that and where do I find it?

>

> Thanks in advance

> --

> Regards,

>

> Piccolo

>

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>

>> See my blog from 2005...

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx

>>

>> This assumes you actually installed the XP 32-bit partition, however,

>> rather

>> than plugged one in that was installed on a different computer. That will

>> almost never work well, since it needs to be installed to the hardware

>> it's

>> actually being used on.

>>

>> A better solution if you simply need access to a 32-bit version of XP

>> from

>> XP x64 on an occasional basis, or for a specific task/application is to

>> use

>> a virtual machine to run XP 32-bit. See

>> https://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2006/03/29/88280.aspx for

>> details.

>> That assumes Virtual Server, since the Virtual PC version for 64-bit

>> wasn't

>> out yet, but the same basic solution works well for Virtual PC as well.

>> And

>> Virtual PC is probably a better solution for most XP users.

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>> "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

>> news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com...

>> >

>> > Hey,

>> > I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of

>> > XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot

>> > the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't

>> > get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

>> > "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

>> > happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me

>> > to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it

>> > won't

>> > allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

>> > Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

>> > Max

>> >

>> > PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though

>> > they are supposed to work just fine together.

>> >

>> >

>> > --

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Guest piccolo

Guest piccolo

Posted
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Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Thanks for the very prompt responses.

 

However, I am also a bit confused about Virtual PC. Right after I posted the

other two messages, I found Virtual PC on the Microsoft website. It is

described as a free download that will enable one to run legacy systems on a

new computer; what is not very clear is how one does it and what is required.

Needless to say, we have several other computers running a mixture of Windows

XP Home 32-bit and Windows XP Pro 32-bit, all with OEM licenses. You message

seems to suggest that if I want to run Virtual PC on my 64-bit machine, I

will need not only to download Virtual PC but also BUY a new version of

Windows XP 32-bit. If that is true, it seems pretty disingenious of Microsoft

to call Virtual PC "free".

 

Since it frankly doesn't make much sense to write software that is designed

to facilitate compatibility with legacy systems and then charge for an

additional OS, I assume I have become confused and that either Virtual PC

includes the legacy systems somehow OR one is able to load the designed

secondary OSs from the original OEM disks without having a license violation.

 

So, breaking my questions down into small pieces:

1. would Virtual PC solve my problem of wanting to run legacy software on

this 64-bit machine?

2. do I have to buy a whole new Windows 32-bit OS or can I use the one from

the legacy machine?

3. which version of Virtual PC do I download in order to run Windows XP 32

on a Windows XP 64 machine?

 

Thanks In Advance

 

As far as HP is concerned, I tried three different workarounds without

success. My printer simply doesn't respond.

 

--

Regards,

 

Piccolo

 

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> You still need to install a second OS - and you need a license for it as

> well. I've already answered your other other query. Virtual PC is a product

> (free) from Microsoft. There are also third party virtualization solutions -

> VMWare being the biggest name in this area.

>

> HP, fwiw, does a pretty decent job of supporting 64-bit. I've had few

> problems finding drivers for my HP hardware. Of course, I'm pretty careful

> about what HP hardware I buy.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

>

> "piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:38AFF45A-8868-40B3-A967-88FD6014ABEC@microsoft.com...

> >I just bought a Dell Precision workstation with XP 64-bit only to discover

> > that I have a lot of software that only runs on 32-bit (and no fixes are

> > available). HP and Nikon are two companies that do not support 64-bit. So

> > I

> > just wrote a long post asking how difficult it is to install Windows XP 32

> > over Windows XP 64.

> >

> > That gives you an idea of my level of technical competence (not great).

> >

> > But is it possible to run 32-bit software on my machine without installing

> > a

> > new OS? and, if yes, how? In the other message, you mention something

> > called

> > Virtual PC; what is that and where do I find it?

> >

> > Thanks in advance

> > --

> > Regards,

> >

> > Piccolo

> >

> >

> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> >

> >> See my blog from 2005...

> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx

> >>

> >> This assumes you actually installed the XP 32-bit partition, however,

> >> rather

> >> than plugged one in that was installed on a different computer. That will

> >> almost never work well, since it needs to be installed to the hardware

> >> it's

> >> actually being used on.

> >>

> >> A better solution if you simply need access to a 32-bit version of XP

> >> from

> >> XP x64 on an occasional basis, or for a specific task/application is to

> >> use

> >> a virtual machine to run XP 32-bit. See

> >> https://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2006/03/29/88280.aspx for

> >> details.

> >> That assumes Virtual Server, since the Virtual PC version for 64-bit

> >> wasn't

> >> out yet, but the same basic solution works well for Virtual PC as well.

> >> And

> >> Virtual PC is probably a better solution for most XP users.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Charlie.

> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >>

> >> "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

> >> news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com...

> >> >

> >> > Hey,

> >> > I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of

> >> > XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot

> >> > the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't

> >> > get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

> >> > "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

> >> > happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me

> >> > to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it

> >> > won't

> >> > allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

> >> > Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

> >> > Max

> >> >

> >> > PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though

> >> > they are supposed to work just fine together.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > --

> >> > MadMax75th

> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >> > MadMax75th's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?u=17511

> >> > View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=997018

> >> >

> >> > http://forums.techarena.in

> >> >

> >>

>

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
Posted

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

"piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:F54EEECE-E316-4E23-81D0-C74E6CA2578A@microsoft.com...

> Thanks for the very prompt responses.

>

> However, I am also a bit confused about Virtual PC. Right after I posted

> the

> other two messages, I found Virtual PC on the Microsoft website. It is

> described as a free download that will enable one to run legacy systems on

> a

> new computer; what is not very clear is how one does it and what is

> required.

> Needless to say, we have several other computers running a mixture of

> Windows

> XP Home 32-bit and Windows XP Pro 32-bit, all with OEM licenses. You

> message

> seems to suggest that if I want to run Virtual PC on my 64-bit machine, I

> will need not only to download Virtual PC but also BUY a new version of

> Windows XP 32-bit. If that is true, it seems pretty disingenious of

> Microsoft

> to call Virtual PC "free".

>

> Since it frankly doesn't make much sense to write software that is

> designed

> to facilitate compatibility with legacy systems and then charge for an

> additional OS, I assume I have become confused and that either Virtual PC

> includes the legacy systems somehow OR one is able to load the designed

> secondary OSs from the original OEM disks without having a license

> violation.

>

> So, breaking my questions down into small pieces:

> 1. would Virtual PC solve my problem of wanting to run legacy software on

> this 64-bit machine?

> 2. do I have to buy a whole new Windows 32-bit OS or can I use the one

> from

> the legacy machine?

> 3. which version of Virtual PC do I download in order to run Windows XP 32

> on a Windows XP 64 machine?

>

> Thanks In Advance

>

> As far as HP is concerned, I tried three different workarounds without

> success. My printer simply doesn't respond.

>

> --

> Regards,

>

> Piccolo

>> >>

>>

 

1. Yes. Programs with special hardware requirements might not work (for

example you can't burn dvds with the vm's emulated cd/dvd drive (it is read

only). But, of course, you can always move files to the host and use the

host to burn media.

 

2. Yes. You must provide your own OS and remain in compliance with your

licenses, OS and software.

 

3. Download the x64 version because you are running it on an x64 host OS.

It does not matter that you will be running 32bit guest virtual machines.

 

You install an OS in a virtual machine just like you do a physical one. The

purpose of a virtual machine is to behave like a physical one. Keep things

simple and do things just like you always have. It is easy how to find the

right buttons to do the same things you have learned to do.

 

VPC is free program. You use it to create virtual machines for free. But

that does not mean the OS that you want to use is free.

Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Posted
Posted

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

1.) Yes. It won't solve hardware problems, but it can do a good job of

running software that has issues.

 

2.) You need an unencumbered OS license for each machine, virtual or

physical, you run. Now if you had bought retail versions of Windows, and you

retired the machine it ran on, then you'd be completely within your rights

to run the retail copy of Windows on a virtual machine. But OEM software is

far more restrictive (one reason the price is less) - you can only run it on

the original hardware.

 

3.) 64-bit. What matters is what version of OS your Host is running.

 

 

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:F54EEECE-E316-4E23-81D0-C74E6CA2578A@microsoft.com...

> Thanks for the very prompt responses.

>

> However, I am also a bit confused about Virtual PC. Right after I posted

> the

> other two messages, I found Virtual PC on the Microsoft website. It is

> described as a free download that will enable one to run legacy systems on

> a

> new computer; what is not very clear is how one does it and what is

> required.

> Needless to say, we have several other computers running a mixture of

> Windows

> XP Home 32-bit and Windows XP Pro 32-bit, all with OEM licenses. You

> message

> seems to suggest that if I want to run Virtual PC on my 64-bit machine, I

> will need not only to download Virtual PC but also BUY a new version of

> Windows XP 32-bit. If that is true, it seems pretty disingenious of

> Microsoft

> to call Virtual PC "free".

>

> Since it frankly doesn't make much sense to write software that is

> designed

> to facilitate compatibility with legacy systems and then charge for an

> additional OS, I assume I have become confused and that either Virtual PC

> includes the legacy systems somehow OR one is able to load the designed

> secondary OSs from the original OEM disks without having a license

> violation.

>

> So, breaking my questions down into small pieces:

> 1. would Virtual PC solve my problem of wanting to run legacy software on

> this 64-bit machine?

> 2. do I have to buy a whole new Windows 32-bit OS or can I use the one

> from

> the legacy machine?

> 3. which version of Virtual PC do I download in order to run Windows XP 32

> on a Windows XP 64 machine?

>

> Thanks In Advance

>

> As far as HP is concerned, I tried three different workarounds without

> success. My printer simply doesn't respond.

>

> --

> Regards,

>

> Piccolo

>

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>

>> You still need to install a second OS - and you need a license for it as

>> well. I've already answered your other other query. Virtual PC is a

>> product

>> (free) from Microsoft. There are also third party virtualization

>> solutions -

>> VMWare being the biggest name in this area.

>>

>> HP, fwiw, does a pretty decent job of supporting 64-bit. I've had few

>> problems finding drivers for my HP hardware. Of course, I'm pretty

>> careful

>> about what HP hardware I buy.

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>>

>> "piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:38AFF45A-8868-40B3-A967-88FD6014ABEC@microsoft.com...

>> >I just bought a Dell Precision workstation with XP 64-bit only to

>> >discover

>> > that I have a lot of software that only runs on 32-bit (and no fixes

>> > are

>> > available). HP and Nikon are two companies that do not support 64-bit.

>> > So

>> > I

>> > just wrote a long post asking how difficult it is to install Windows XP

>> > 32

>> > over Windows XP 64.

>> >

>> > That gives you an idea of my level of technical competence (not great).

>> >

>> > But is it possible to run 32-bit software on my machine without

>> > installing

>> > a

>> > new OS? and, if yes, how? In the other message, you mention something

>> > called

>> > Virtual PC; what is that and where do I find it?

>> >

>> > Thanks in advance

>> > --

>> > Regards,

>> >

>> > Piccolo

>> >

>> >

>> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>> >

>> >> See my blog from 2005...

>> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx

>> >>

>> >> This assumes you actually installed the XP 32-bit partition, however,

>> >> rather

>> >> than plugged one in that was installed on a different computer. That

>> >> will

>> >> almost never work well, since it needs to be installed to the hardware

>> >> it's

>> >> actually being used on.

>> >>

>> >> A better solution if you simply need access to a 32-bit version of XP

>> >> from

>> >> XP x64 on an occasional basis, or for a specific task/application is

>> >> to

>> >> use

>> >> a virtual machine to run XP 32-bit. See

>> >> https://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2006/03/29/88280.aspx for

>> >> details.

>> >> That assumes Virtual Server, since the Virtual PC version for 64-bit

>> >> wasn't

>> >> out yet, but the same basic solution works well for Virtual PC as

>> >> well.

>> >> And

>> >> Virtual PC is probably a better solution for most XP users.

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >> Charlie.

>> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

>> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>> >>

>> >> "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com...

>> >> >

>> >> > Hey,

>> >> > I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation

>> >> > of

>> >> > XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to

>> >> > boot

>> >> > the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I

>> >> > can't

>> >> > get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

>> >> > "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

>> >> > happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow

>> >> > me

>> >> > to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it

>> >> > won't

>> >> > allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

>> >> > Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

>> >> > Max

>> >> >

>> >> > PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE,

>> >> > though

>> >> > they are supposed to work just fine together.

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > --

>> >> > MadMax75th

>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> >> > MadMax75th's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?u=17511

>> >> > View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=997018

>> >> >

>> >> > http://forums.techarena.in

>> >> >

>> >>

>>

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
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Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

"piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:F54EEECE-E316-4E23-81D0-C74E6CA2578A@microsoft.com...

> Thanks for the very prompt responses.

>

> However, I am also a bit confused about Virtual PC. Right after I posted

> the

> other two messages, I found Virtual PC on the Microsoft website. It is

> described as a free download that will enable one to run legacy systems on

> a

> new computer; what is not very clear is how one does it and what is

> required.

> Needless to say, we have several other computers running a mixture of

> Windows

> XP Home 32-bit and Windows XP Pro 32-bit, all with OEM licenses. You

> message

> seems to suggest that if I want to run Virtual PC on my 64-bit machine, I

> will need not only to download Virtual PC but also BUY a new version of

> Windows XP 32-bit. If that is true, it seems pretty disingenious of

> Microsoft

> to call Virtual PC "free".

>

> Since it frankly doesn't make much sense to write software that is

> designed

> to facilitate compatibility with legacy systems and then charge for an

> additional OS, I assume I have become confused and that either Virtual PC

> includes the legacy systems somehow OR one is able to load the designed

> secondary OSs from the original OEM disks without having a license

> violation.

>

 

 

About OEM licenses. The consumer_oem eula does not permit transfer of the

license to another device, and blades and partitions are defined as separate

devices. Even within the same computer. A virtual machine partition is a

separate device. Therefore the OEM license on the machine cannot be

transferred to a vm even on the same machine. To do so would also leave the

Host OS unlicensed anyway.

Guest piccolo

Guest piccolo

Posted
Posted

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Charlie & Colin,

 

Thanks for your responses. So, arguably, Virtual PC is not a free program

but an excuse to sell another OS license? What did I expect?

 

Moving on.... Since I have never installed an OS before, I have a few

questions. I found what appears to be a pretty complete installation guide at

http://vpc.essjae.com/#Virtual_PC_2004_for_Windows. But it raises some

questions:

 

1. NVWM memory: how much RAM should I specify is available to WinXP32? 3GB?

(I have 8). I presume this memory is not subtracted from real memory but is

just a limitaton on the VPC.

2. I am going to want to enable at least one USB port on the virtual machine

so I can use my existing HP printer/scanner/fax. This article seems to talk

only of the physical parallel and serial ports. Are USB ports not functional?

And/or am I better off finding a parallel printer cable and hooking the HP up

that way?

3. Partitioning: And I quote:

 

"Use the arrow keys to select an option: Format the partition using NTFS

file system (Quick), Format the partition using the FAT file system (Quick),

Format the partition using NTFS file system, Format the partition using the

FAT file system, or Convert the partition to NTFS. To install Windows XP on

an NTFS partition, select Format the partition using the NTFS file system

(Quick) and press Enter."

 

What do I do? (Thanks) FWIW, I have three separate external hard drives

(mostly used for backup) I could use if that made life easier.

 

4. If I do not plan to use the Windows 32-bit OS to go on the Internet, am I

correct that I need not enable Internet connectivity on the VPC?

5. As a related question, am I correct in assuming that there would then be

no need to worry about firewalls, anti-virus, automatic updates, etc., etc.?

In fact, is there any reason to worry about upgrading whatever specific

version of Windows XP 32 I buy to include the various service packs?

6. The above questions assume that a virtual machine is a DIFFERENT machine

for internet purposes than the host machine and that all of the firewalls,

etc. on the host machine would not protect the virtual machine. Is this

correct?

7. Once I have the OS up and running, do I then have to install all the

programs I want to run on it? Or can the VPC actually launch programs that

sit on the hard drive of the host machine?

 

I think that is it. Again, I want to thank both of you for your time and

expertise.

 

--

Regards,

 

Piccolo

 

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> 1.) Yes. It won't solve hardware problems, but it can do a good job of

> running software that has issues.

>

> 2.) You need an unencumbered OS license for each machine, virtual or

> physical, you run. Now if you had bought retail versions of Windows, and you

> retired the machine it ran on, then you'd be completely within your rights

> to run the retail copy of Windows on a virtual machine. But OEM software is

> far more restrictive (one reason the price is less) - you can only run it on

> the original hardware.

>

> 3.) 64-bit. What matters is what version of OS your Host is running.

>

>

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

>

> "piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:F54EEECE-E316-4E23-81D0-C74E6CA2578A@microsoft.com...

> > Thanks for the very prompt responses.

> >

> > However, I am also a bit confused about Virtual PC. Right after I posted

> > the

> > other two messages, I found Virtual PC on the Microsoft website. It is

> > described as a free download that will enable one to run legacy systems on

> > a

> > new computer; what is not very clear is how one does it and what is

> > required.

> > Needless to say, we have several other computers running a mixture of

> > Windows

> > XP Home 32-bit and Windows XP Pro 32-bit, all with OEM licenses. You

> > message

> > seems to suggest that if I want to run Virtual PC on my 64-bit machine, I

> > will need not only to download Virtual PC but also BUY a new version of

> > Windows XP 32-bit. If that is true, it seems pretty disingenious of

> > Microsoft

> > to call Virtual PC "free".

> >

> > Since it frankly doesn't make much sense to write software that is

> > designed

> > to facilitate compatibility with legacy systems and then charge for an

> > additional OS, I assume I have become confused and that either Virtual PC

> > includes the legacy systems somehow OR one is able to load the designed

> > secondary OSs from the original OEM disks without having a license

> > violation.

> >

> > So, breaking my questions down into small pieces:

> > 1. would Virtual PC solve my problem of wanting to run legacy software on

> > this 64-bit machine?

> > 2. do I have to buy a whole new Windows 32-bit OS or can I use the one

> > from

> > the legacy machine?

> > 3. which version of Virtual PC do I download in order to run Windows XP 32

> > on a Windows XP 64 machine?

> >

> > Thanks In Advance

> >

> > As far as HP is concerned, I tried three different workarounds without

> > success. My printer simply doesn't respond.

> >

> > --

> > Regards,

> >

> > Piccolo

> >

> >

> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> >

> >> You still need to install a second OS - and you need a license for it as

> >> well. I've already answered your other other query. Virtual PC is a

> >> product

> >> (free) from Microsoft. There are also third party virtualization

> >> solutions -

> >> VMWare being the biggest name in this area.

> >>

> >> HP, fwiw, does a pretty decent job of supporting 64-bit. I've had few

> >> problems finding drivers for my HP hardware. Of course, I'm pretty

> >> careful

> >> about what HP hardware I buy.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Charlie.

> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >>

> >>

> >> "piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:38AFF45A-8868-40B3-A967-88FD6014ABEC@microsoft.com...

> >> >I just bought a Dell Precision workstation with XP 64-bit only to

> >> >discover

> >> > that I have a lot of software that only runs on 32-bit (and no fixes

> >> > are

> >> > available). HP and Nikon are two companies that do not support 64-bit.

> >> > So

> >> > I

> >> > just wrote a long post asking how difficult it is to install Windows XP

> >> > 32

> >> > over Windows XP 64.

> >> >

> >> > That gives you an idea of my level of technical competence (not great).

> >> >

> >> > But is it possible to run 32-bit software on my machine without

> >> > installing

> >> > a

> >> > new OS? and, if yes, how? In the other message, you mention something

> >> > called

> >> > Virtual PC; what is that and where do I find it?

> >> >

> >> > Thanks in advance

> >> > --

> >> > Regards,

> >> >

> >> > Piccolo

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> See my blog from 2005...

> >> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx

> >> >>

> >> >> This assumes you actually installed the XP 32-bit partition, however,

> >> >> rather

> >> >> than plugged one in that was installed on a different computer. That

> >> >> will

> >> >> almost never work well, since it needs to be installed to the hardware

> >> >> it's

> >> >> actually being used on.

> >> >>

> >> >> A better solution if you simply need access to a 32-bit version of XP

> >> >> from

> >> >> XP x64 on an occasional basis, or for a specific task/application is

> >> >> to

> >> >> use

> >> >> a virtual machine to run XP 32-bit. See

> >> >> https://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2006/03/29/88280.aspx for

> >> >> details.

> >> >> That assumes Virtual Server, since the Virtual PC version for 64-bit

> >> >> wasn't

> >> >> out yet, but the same basic solution works well for Virtual PC as

> >> >> well.

> >> >> And

> >> >> Virtual PC is probably a better solution for most XP users.

> >> >>

> >> >> --

> >> >> Charlie.

> >> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >> >>

> >> >> "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com...

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Hey,

> >> >> > I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation

> >> >> > of

> >> >> > XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to

> >> >> > boot

> >> >> > the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I

> >> >> > can't

> >> >> > get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the

> >> >> > "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing

> >> >> > happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow

> >> >> > me

> >> >> > to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it

> >> >> > won't

> >> >> > allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC.

> >> >> > Thanks a lot for any help you may offer.

> >> >> > Max

> >> >> >

> >> >> > PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE,

> >> >> > though

> >> >> > they are supposed to work just fine together.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > --

> >> >> > MadMax75th

> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >> >> > MadMax75th's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?u=17511

> >> >> > View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=997018

> >> >> >

> >> >> > http://forums.techarena.in

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >>

>

Guest piccolo

Guest piccolo

Posted
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Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Colin,

 

Thanks for your reply. I have another set of questions in a longish post to

Charlie.

--

Regards,

 

Piccolo

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> "piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:F54EEECE-E316-4E23-81D0-C74E6CA2578A@microsoft.com...

> > Thanks for the very prompt responses.

> >

> > However, I am also a bit confused about Virtual PC. Right after I posted

> > the

> > other two messages, I found Virtual PC on the Microsoft website. It is

> > described as a free download that will enable one to run legacy systems on

> > a

> > new computer; what is not very clear is how one does it and what is

> > required.

> > Needless to say, we have several other computers running a mixture of

> > Windows

> > XP Home 32-bit and Windows XP Pro 32-bit, all with OEM licenses. You

> > message

> > seems to suggest that if I want to run Virtual PC on my 64-bit machine, I

> > will need not only to download Virtual PC but also BUY a new version of

> > Windows XP 32-bit. If that is true, it seems pretty disingenious of

> > Microsoft

> > to call Virtual PC "free".

> >

> > Since it frankly doesn't make much sense to write software that is

> > designed

> > to facilitate compatibility with legacy systems and then charge for an

> > additional OS, I assume I have become confused and that either Virtual PC

> > includes the legacy systems somehow OR one is able to load the designed

> > secondary OSs from the original OEM disks without having a license

> > violation.

> >

> > So, breaking my questions down into small pieces:

> > 1. would Virtual PC solve my problem of wanting to run legacy software on

> > this 64-bit machine?

> > 2. do I have to buy a whole new Windows 32-bit OS or can I use the one

> > from

> > the legacy machine?

> > 3. which version of Virtual PC do I download in order to run Windows XP 32

> > on a Windows XP 64 machine?

> >

> > Thanks In Advance

> >

> > As far as HP is concerned, I tried three different workarounds without

> > success. My printer simply doesn't respond.

> >

> > --

> > Regards,

> >

> > Piccolo

> >> >>

> >>

>

> 1. Yes. Programs with special hardware requirements might not work (for

> example you can't burn dvds with the vm's emulated cd/dvd drive (it is read

> only). But, of course, you can always move files to the host and use the

> host to burn media.

>

> 2. Yes. You must provide your own OS and remain in compliance with your

> licenses, OS and software.

>

> 3. Download the x64 version because you are running it on an x64 host OS.

> It does not matter that you will be running 32bit guest virtual machines.

>

> You install an OS in a virtual machine just like you do a physical one. The

> purpose of a virtual machine is to behave like a physical one. Keep things

> simple and do things just like you always have. It is easy how to find the

> right buttons to do the same things you have learned to do.

>

> VPC is free program. You use it to create virtual machines for free. But

> that does not mean the OS that you want to use is free.

>

Guest Jeff Gaines

Guest Jeff Gaines

Posted
Posted

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

On 09/07/2008 in message

<AC8C4A10-14E9-4FDD-9E2A-BF1DF156F704@microsoft.com> piccolo wrote:

>Thanks for your responses. So, arguably, Virtual PC is not a free program

>but an excuse to sell another OS license? What did I expect?

 

Virtual PC is free. There are free OSs you can install (Linux being an

obvious example) and many people will have unencumbered licences, for

example a retail version of Windows where the original PC has been scrapped.

>1. NVWM memory: how much RAM should I specify is available to WinXP32? 3GB?

>(I have 8). I presume this memory is not subtracted from real memory but is

>just a limitaton on the VPC.

 

Memory used by the VPC is subtracted from the host PC's memory, it has to

come from somewhere.

>2. I am going to want to enable at least one USB port on the virtual

>machine

>so I can use my existing HP printer/scanner/fax. This article seems to talk

>only of the physical parallel and serial ports. Are USB ports not

>functional?

>And/or am I better off finding a parallel printer cable and hooking the HP

>up

>that way?

 

USB ports are not available to a Virtual PC, I don't know about legacy

ports but somebody will.

>3. Partitioning: And I quote:

[snipped]

>What do I do? (Thanks) FWIW, I have three separate external hard drives

>(mostly used for backup) I could use if that made life easier.

 

Just partition as if you were using a physical machine. Bear in mind you

are actually partitioning a file, not a physical hard drive.

>4. If I do not plan to use the Windows 32-bit OS to go on the Internet, am

>I

>correct that I need not enable Internet connectivity on the VPC?

 

If you enable networking on a VPC it is able to connect to the Internet in

the same way as any physical machine on the same network.

>5. As a related question, am I correct in assuming that there would then be

>no need to worry about firewalls, anti-virus, automatic updates, etc.,

>etc.?

>In fact, is there any reason to worry about upgrading whatever specific

>version of Windows XP 32 I buy to include the various service packs?

 

See Internet access in (4) above.

>6. The above questions assume that a virtual machine is a DIFFERENT machine

>for internet purposes than the host machine and that all of the firewalls,

>etc. on the host machine would not protect the virtual machine. Is this

>correct?

 

Yes.

>7. Once I have the OS up and running, do I then have to install all the

>programs I want to run on it? Or can the VPC actually launch programs that

>sit on the hard drive of the host machine?

 

You need to treat it like a new physical machine, any apps you want to use

need installing, and are subject to the same licence conditions as if you

were installing on a physical machine.

 

--

Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK

If it's not broken, mess around with it until it is

Guest Tony Sperling

Guest Tony Sperling

Posted
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Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Personally, I am not impressed by MS's Licensing Policies but the VM is

substituting a physical machine and needs to have a OS. If you have one

Windows system that is not an OEM edition and not currently installed

anywhere else you are allowed to use that in a VM - so no excuses for

selling more OS's - they want to sell OS's for the number of machines you

want to run.

 

 

Tony. . .

Guest piccolo

Guest piccolo

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Posted

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Jeff,

 

Refining a bit:

 

I take the point about OSs made by all. Never having thought about virtual

machines before, the Virtual PC struck me as a way to market Vista rather

than something in its own right.

 

1. Would 1.024gb of RAM be enough to run WinXP 32 reasonably? And is this

RAM lost at all times, or just when the Virtual PC is up and running?

 

2. thanks

 

3. Since I have never partitioned a hard drive before, these alternatives

are Greek to me. Guessing based on your answer I would select "Format the

partition using the NTFS file system (Quick)" and then specify a size, say

50GB, as the answer to the next question. Am I on the right track?

 

4-7 Thanks.

--

Regards,

 

Piccolo

 

 

"Jeff Gaines" wrote:

> On 09/07/2008 in message

> <AC8C4A10-14E9-4FDD-9E2A-BF1DF156F704@microsoft.com> piccolo wrote:

>

> >Thanks for your responses. So, arguably, Virtual PC is not a free program

> >but an excuse to sell another OS license? What did I expect?

>

> Virtual PC is free. There are free OSs you can install (Linux being an

> obvious example) and many people will have unencumbered licences, for

> example a retail version of Windows where the original PC has been scrapped.

>

> >1. NVWM memory: how much RAM should I specify is available to WinXP32? 3GB?

> >(I have 8). I presume this memory is not subtracted from real memory but is

> >just a limitaton on the VPC.

>

> Memory used by the VPC is subtracted from the host PC's memory, it has to

> come from somewhere.

>

> >2. I am going to want to enable at least one USB port on the virtual

> >machine

> >so I can use my existing HP printer/scanner/fax. This article seems to talk

> >only of the physical parallel and serial ports. Are USB ports not

> >functional?

> >And/or am I better off finding a parallel printer cable and hooking the HP

> >up

> >that way?

>

> USB ports are not available to a Virtual PC, I don't know about legacy

> ports but somebody will.

>

> >3. Partitioning: And I quote:

> [snipped]

> >What do I do? (Thanks) FWIW, I have three separate external hard drives

> >(mostly used for backup) I could use if that made life easier.

>

> Just partition as if you were using a physical machine. Bear in mind you

> are actually partitioning a file, not a physical hard drive.

>

> >4. If I do not plan to use the Windows 32-bit OS to go on the Internet, am

> >I

> >correct that I need not enable Internet connectivity on the VPC?

>

> If you enable networking on a VPC it is able to connect to the Internet in

> the same way as any physical machine on the same network.

>

> >5. As a related question, am I correct in assuming that there would then be

> >no need to worry about firewalls, anti-virus, automatic updates, etc.,

> >etc.?

> >In fact, is there any reason to worry about upgrading whatever specific

> >version of Windows XP 32 I buy to include the various service packs?

>

> See Internet access in (4) above.

>

> >6. The above questions assume that a virtual machine is a DIFFERENT machine

> >for internet purposes than the host machine and that all of the firewalls,

> >etc. on the host machine would not protect the virtual machine. Is this

> >correct?

>

> Yes.

>

> >7. Once I have the OS up and running, do I then have to install all the

> >programs I want to run on it? Or can the VPC actually launch programs that

> >sit on the hard drive of the host machine?

>

> You need to treat it like a new physical machine, any apps you want to use

> need installing, and are subject to the same licence conditions as if you

> were installing on a physical machine.

>

> --

> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK

> If it's not broken, mess around with it until it is

>

Guest piccolo

Guest piccolo

Posted
Posted

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Colin,

 

Mostly out of curiosity, why are two partitions on the same hard drive

considered different machines? or two hard drives within the same PC? Does

that mean that, in the future when there are multiple CPUs and drives in a

machine, there will have to be multiple licenses? The lawyer in me boggles at

some of the drafting complexities.

 

Anyway thanks for your help.

--

Regards,

 

Piccolo

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> "piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:F54EEECE-E316-4E23-81D0-C74E6CA2578A@microsoft.com...

> > Thanks for the very prompt responses.

> >

> > However, I am also a bit confused about Virtual PC. Right after I posted

> > the

> > other two messages, I found Virtual PC on the Microsoft website. It is

> > described as a free download that will enable one to run legacy systems on

> > a

> > new computer; what is not very clear is how one does it and what is

> > required.

> > Needless to say, we have several other computers running a mixture of

> > Windows

> > XP Home 32-bit and Windows XP Pro 32-bit, all with OEM licenses. You

> > message

> > seems to suggest that if I want to run Virtual PC on my 64-bit machine, I

> > will need not only to download Virtual PC but also BUY a new version of

> > Windows XP 32-bit. If that is true, it seems pretty disingenious of

> > Microsoft

> > to call Virtual PC "free".

> >

> > Since it frankly doesn't make much sense to write software that is

> > designed

> > to facilitate compatibility with legacy systems and then charge for an

> > additional OS, I assume I have become confused and that either Virtual PC

> > includes the legacy systems somehow OR one is able to load the designed

> > secondary OSs from the original OEM disks without having a license

> > violation.

> >

>

>

> About OEM licenses. The consumer_oem eula does not permit transfer of the

> license to another device, and blades and partitions are defined as separate

> devices. Even within the same computer. A virtual machine partition is a

> separate device. Therefore the OEM license on the machine cannot be

> transferred to a vm even on the same machine. To do so would also leave the

> Host OS unlicensed anyway.

>

Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Posted
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Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

We're getting pretty far off the topic for this newsgroup here (there is a

microsoft.public.virtualpc NG), but:

 

512 Mb would be more than enough for most XP 32-bit machines, depending on

what you're doing. Remember, there's no magic here. Give the VM the exact

same RAM you'd give a physical machine doing that same level of work. The

RAM is only used by the VM when it's running, IF you shut it down when

you're not using it. If you "save state" it will still hold on to its RAM.

 

On the question of connecting to your printer - actually the best solution

here is to connect via ethernet. A cheap wired or wireless Print Server is

the best solution to providing full connectivity to your printer from any

machine on your network. And it's platform independant - If you change OS's

you don't care, it's still reachable. For "all in one" things, however,

you're likely to have problems with the non-printing functions, since

network scanning is less well handled.

 

If you really need USB and nothing else will solve it, VMWare Workstation is

a better solution than VirtualPC. It supports USB connectivity. It's not

free (though they do have a free product, VMWare Server, but I don't think

it's as good a fit for you from a usability standpoint.)

 

When you create the Virtual Machine, you create a hard disk. If you want a

second partition, create a second hard disk. Don't partition the first. That

virtual hard disk is a .VHD file on the host's file system.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

"piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:0F789C02-97E1-4448-B7DD-815CF5EC5F80@microsoft.com...

> Jeff,

>

> Refining a bit:

>

> I take the point about OSs made by all. Never having thought about virtual

> machines before, the Virtual PC struck me as a way to market Vista rather

> than something in its own right.

>

> 1. Would 1.024gb of RAM be enough to run WinXP 32 reasonably? And is this

> RAM lost at all times, or just when the Virtual PC is up and running?

>

> 2. thanks

>

> 3. Since I have never partitioned a hard drive before, these alternatives

> are Greek to me. Guessing based on your answer I would select "Format the

> partition using the NTFS file system (Quick)" and then specify a size, say

> 50GB, as the answer to the next question. Am I on the right track?

>

> 4-7 Thanks.

> --

> Regards,

>

> Piccolo

>

>

> "Jeff Gaines" wrote:

>

>> On 09/07/2008 in message

>> <AC8C4A10-14E9-4FDD-9E2A-BF1DF156F704@microsoft.com> piccolo wrote:

>>

>> >Thanks for your responses. So, arguably, Virtual PC is not a free

>> >program

>> >but an excuse to sell another OS license? What did I expect?

>>

>> Virtual PC is free. There are free OSs you can install (Linux being an

>> obvious example) and many people will have unencumbered licences, for

>> example a retail version of Windows where the original PC has been

>> scrapped.

>>

>> >1. NVWM memory: how much RAM should I specify is available to WinXP32?

>> >3GB?

>> >(I have 8). I presume this memory is not subtracted from real memory but

>> >is

>> >just a limitaton on the VPC.

>>

>> Memory used by the VPC is subtracted from the host PC's memory, it has to

>> come from somewhere.

>>

>> >2. I am going to want to enable at least one USB port on the virtual

>> >machine

>> >so I can use my existing HP printer/scanner/fax. This article seems to

>> >talk

>> >only of the physical parallel and serial ports. Are USB ports not

>> >functional?

>> >And/or am I better off finding a parallel printer cable and hooking the

>> >HP

>> >up

>> >that way?

>>

>> USB ports are not available to a Virtual PC, I don't know about legacy

>> ports but somebody will.

>>

>> >3. Partitioning: And I quote:

>> [snipped]

>> >What do I do? (Thanks) FWIW, I have three separate external hard drives

>> >(mostly used for backup) I could use if that made life easier.

>>

>> Just partition as if you were using a physical machine. Bear in mind you

>> are actually partitioning a file, not a physical hard drive.

>>

>> >4. If I do not plan to use the Windows 32-bit OS to go on the Internet,

>> >am

>> >I

>> >correct that I need not enable Internet connectivity on the VPC?

>>

>> If you enable networking on a VPC it is able to connect to the Internet

>> in

>> the same way as any physical machine on the same network.

>>

>> >5. As a related question, am I correct in assuming that there would then

>> >be

>> >no need to worry about firewalls, anti-virus, automatic updates, etc.,

>> >etc.?

>> >In fact, is there any reason to worry about upgrading whatever specific

>> >version of Windows XP 32 I buy to include the various service packs?

>>

>> See Internet access in (4) above.

>>

>> >6. The above questions assume that a virtual machine is a DIFFERENT

>> >machine

>> >for internet purposes than the host machine and that all of the

>> >firewalls,

>> >etc. on the host machine would not protect the virtual machine. Is this

>> >correct?

>>

>> Yes.

>>

>> >7. Once I have the OS up and running, do I then have to install all the

>> >programs I want to run on it? Or can the VPC actually launch programs

>> >that

>> >sit on the hard drive of the host machine?

>>

>> You need to treat it like a new physical machine, any apps you want to

>> use

>> need installing, and are subject to the same licence conditions as if you

>> were installing on a physical machine.

>>

>> --

>> Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK

>> If it's not broken, mess around with it until it is

>>

Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Posted
Posted

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software?

 

Two partitions aren't different machines. But two machines, running as two

independent operating systems, are. What you fail to grasp is that a virtual

machine is EXACTLY like a physical one. It runs indepently of any other VM,

or physical machine. So, for example, I have a server here, running Windows

Server 2008, and it has a total of 10 VMs on it. Three copies of vista, two

of XP, a Terminal Server, a pair of domain controllers, and some other

stuff. Those machines are on three different networks - the TS is on my

production network (and providing the ability to write this message via TS

RemoteApps from a laptop that doesn't have internet connectivity right now),

and there are two different domains there. One of which includes an Exchange

Server. Now, if I wanted to have that all running here, I'd have to have 10

different physical computers. Instead, I have one physical computer, with

two processors and 16 GB of RAM. Wish I could bump that machine up to 32 GB,

but that's not in the cards right now.

 

Stop thinking of the physical host as anything except the storage container.

My working machines are all virtual at this point, except for personal

workstations. And even that might change - I'm considering moving to all

thin clients for personal desktops.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

"piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:A33F383E-E410-4676-B59E-5E1F4627911C@microsoft.com...

> Colin,

>

> Mostly out of curiosity, why are two partitions on the same hard drive

> considered different machines? or two hard drives within the same PC? Does

> that mean that, in the future when there are multiple CPUs and drives in a

> machine, there will have to be multiple licenses? The lawyer in me boggles

> at

> some of the drafting complexities.

>

> Anyway thanks for your help.

> --

> Regards,

>

> Piccolo

>

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>

>> "piccolo" <piccolo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:F54EEECE-E316-4E23-81D0-C74E6CA2578A@microsoft.com...

>> > Thanks for the very prompt responses.

>> >

>> > However, I am also a bit confused about Virtual PC. Right after I

>> > posted

>> > the

>> > other two messages, I found Virtual PC on the Microsoft website. It is

>> > described as a free download that will enable one to run legacy systems

>> > on

>> > a

>> > new computer; what is not very clear is how one does it and what is

>> > required.

>> > Needless to say, we have several other computers running a mixture of

>> > Windows

>> > XP Home 32-bit and Windows XP Pro 32-bit, all with OEM licenses. You

>> > message

>> > seems to suggest that if I want to run Virtual PC on my 64-bit machine,

>> > I

>> > will need not only to download Virtual PC but also BUY a new version of

>> > Windows XP 32-bit. If that is true, it seems pretty disingenious of

>> > Microsoft

>> > to call Virtual PC "free".

>> >

>> > Since it frankly doesn't make much sense to write software that is

>> > designed

>> > to facilitate compatibility with legacy systems and then charge for an

>> > additional OS, I assume I have become confused and that either Virtual

>> > PC

>> > includes the legacy systems somehow OR one is able to load the designed

>> > secondary OSs from the original OEM disks without having a license

>> > violation.

>> >

>>

>>

>> About OEM licenses. The consumer_oem eula does not permit transfer of

>> the

>> license to another device, and blades and partitions are defined as

>> separate

>> devices. Even within the same computer. A virtual machine partition is

>> a

>> separate device. Therefore the OEM license on the machine cannot be

>> transferred to a vm even on the same machine. To do so would also leave

>> the

>> Host OS unlicensed anyway.

>>

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