A problem, a solution, a question

July 21, 2008

Vista x64 SP1 installed in partition C:, D: partition for data, backups, etc.

RAID0, running on a jmicron chipset controller, gigabyte mobo #GA-MA790FX-DS5

Problem:

Partition D: randomly starts in read-only mode not allowing any write

operation on it.

A simple reboot fixes it temporarily, until next reboot.

Solution (or patch):

A little of googling took me here

http://forums.microsoft.com/technet/showpost.aspx?pageindex=2&siteid=17&postid=2617353&sb=0&d=1&at=7&ft=11&tf=0&pageid=0

where Greg Knight from MSFT offered a solution in page 2, admitting it is a

Vista problem.

Somehow Vista gets confused when mounting the 2nd partition and sets it

randomly to read-only.

Running this command in an elevated prompt

fsutil volume dismount d:

fixes it instantaneously without the need of a reboot and stays like that

until next reboot.

Question:

Is there a simple way (registry or startup entry) that allows to

automatically run that command with administrator rights on every reboot?

All the usual stuff was tried before getting to this point, i.e.,

- Delete the partition, format and load data back onto it

- Take ownership of every single folder in the partition

- Now matter what, on next reboot there were 50% chances that it was going

to be read-only again

- Install Vista again, use different sizes for the partitions, new RAID

driver, you name it

:)

Carlos

July 21, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

The easiest solution probably would be to put a *.BAT file (or something?)

in your:

C:\Documents and Settings\[uSERNAME]\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

folder, and have that execute the command? At least as long as you're not

going to use hundreds of commands like that.

You'd probably see the faint shape of a black window flashing when you log

in, but I think there's a 'silence' option switch to disable that. (Not

sure).

Tony. . .

July 21, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

Tony,

I wish it were that simple.

If you right-click on the .bat file and go to the "Compatibility" tab, the

square box for checking (and enabling) the batch with Administrator

privileges is greyed out.

:(

Keep thinking, I know something will come out. Maybe after a gooood

Glenfoyle, uh?

:)

Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> The easiest solution probably would be to put a *.BAT file (or something?)

> in your:

>

> C:\Documents and Settings\[uSERNAME]\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

>

> folder, and have that execute the command? At least as long as you're not

> going to use hundreds of commands like that.

>

> You'd probably see the faint shape of a black window flashing when you log

> in, but I think there's a 'silence' option switch to disable that. (Not

> sure).

>

> Tony. . .

>

July 21, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

Ah, I admit that I forgot you mentioned the elevated command, but the greyed

text is strange all the same - did you create the actual *.bat from an

elevated command window? It has got EDIT has it not?

Tony. . .

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:88DCB01C-AB8D-4177-BFCD-E2C5DEB55541@microsoft.com...

> Tony,

> I wish it were that simple.

> If you right-click on the .bat file and go to the "Compatibility" tab, the

> square box for checking (and enabling) the batch with Administrator

> privileges is greyed out.

> :(

> Keep thinking, I know something will come out. Maybe after a gooood

> Glenfoyle, uh?

> :)

> Carlos

>

> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>

> > The easiest solution probably would be to put a *.BAT file (or

something?)

> > in your:

> >

> > C:\Documents and Settings\[uSERNAME]\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

> >

> > folder, and have that execute the command? At least as long as you're

not

> > going to use hundreds of commands like that.

> >

> > You'd probably see the faint shape of a black window flashing when you

log

> > in, but I think there's a 'silence' option switch to disable that. (Not

> > sure).

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

July 21, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

Tony,

I did not create the *.bat from an elevated command prompt window.

I had not thought about that!

There's no EDIT command in Vista x64 cmd prompt window.

I will try with Notepad or the old "copy con" command (remember it?)

My results will have to wait a few hours, I am at work now.

Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> Ah, I admit that I forgot you mentioned the elevated command, but the greyed

> text is strange all the same - did you create the actual *.bat from an

> elevated command window? It has got EDIT has it not?

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:88DCB01C-AB8D-4177-BFCD-E2C5DEB55541@microsoft.com...

> > Tony,

> > I wish it were that simple.

> > If you right-click on the .bat file and go to the "Compatibility" tab, the

> > square box for checking (and enabling) the batch with Administrator

> > privileges is greyed out.

> > :(

> > Keep thinking, I know something will come out. Maybe after a gooood

> > Glenfoyle, uh?

> > :)

> > Carlos

> >

> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> >

> > > The easiest solution probably would be to put a *.BAT file (or

> something?)

> > > in your:

> > >

> > > C:\Documents and Settings\[uSERNAME]\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

> > >

> > > folder, and have that execute the command? At least as long as you're

> not

> > > going to use hundreds of commands like that.

> > >

> > > You'd probably see the faint shape of a black window flashing when you

> log

> > > in, but I think there's a 'silence' option switch to disable that. (Not

> > > sure).

> > >

> > > Tony. . .

> > >

>

July 21, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

I really have no idea if this is the way to do it, but if you use N-Pad you

should probably execute it from inside that command window - copy con is

probably the more natural interface (yes, I remember, but I am not sure I

remember how to drive it?) On the other hand, I am sure you must have

EDLIN - Ha, ha, ha!!!

Being the lazy type, I would probably do DIR > SOME.BAT and replace the

contents with that of your command in notepad later???

The Glenfoyle sadly, has evaporated - I shall have to make do with the far

more expensive Caol Ila (an Islay malt - pronounced as "Cull Eela").

Tony. . .

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:751BCC20-4076-4191-81BD-CFA50D03A121@microsoft.com...

> Tony,

> I did not create the *.bat from an elevated command prompt window.

> I had not thought about that!

> There's no EDIT command in Vista x64 cmd prompt window.

> I will try with Notepad or the old "copy con" command (remember it?)

> My results will have to wait a few hours, I am at work now.

> Carlos

>

> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>

> > Ah, I admit that I forgot you mentioned the elevated command, but the

greyed

> > text is strange all the same - did you create the actual *.bat from an

> > elevated command window? It has got EDIT has it not?

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> > "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:88DCB01C-AB8D-4177-BFCD-E2C5DEB55541@microsoft.com...

> > > Tony,

> > > I wish it were that simple.

> > > If you right-click on the .bat file and go to the "Compatibility" tab,

the

> > > square box for checking (and enabling) the batch with Administrator

> > > privileges is greyed out.

> > > :(

> > > Keep thinking, I know something will come out. Maybe after a gooood

> > > Glenfoyle, uh?

> > > :)

> > > Carlos

> > >

> > > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> > >

> > > > The easiest solution probably would be to put a *.BAT file (or

> > something?)

> > > > in your:

> > > >

> > > > C:\Documents and Settings\[uSERNAME]\Start

Menu\Programs\Startup

> > > >

> > > > folder, and have that execute the command? At least as long as

you're

> > not

> > > > going to use hundreds of commands like that.

> > > >

> > > > You'd probably see the faint shape of a black window flashing when

you

> > log

> > > > in, but I think there's a 'silence' option switch to disable that.

(Not

> > > > sure).

> > > >

> > > > Tony. . .

> > > >

> >

July 21, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

Tony,

It didn't work.

I started an elevated command prompt, did the "copy con" thing: no dice,

started notepad from there: no dice.

I still cannot enable that freaking *.bat to Run as Admin.

I have prepared myself a "Negroni", 1/3 of gin + 1/3 of Campari + 1/3 of Red

Martini

Life looks different now!

:-S

hic, hic, hic!

Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> I really have no idea if this is the way to do it, but if you use N-Pad you

> should probably execute it from inside that command window - copy con is

> probably the more natural interface (yes, I remember, but I am not sure I

> remember how to drive it?) On the other hand, I am sure you must have

> EDLIN - Ha, ha, ha!!!

>

> Being the lazy type, I would probably do DIR > SOME.BAT and replace the

> contents with that of your command in notepad later???

>

> The Glenfoyle sadly, has evaporated - I shall have to make do with the far

> more expensive Caol Ila (an Islay malt - pronounced as "Cull Eela").

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:751BCC20-4076-4191-81BD-CFA50D03A121@microsoft.com...

> > Tony,

> > I did not create the *.bat from an elevated command prompt window.

> > I had not thought about that!

> > There's no EDIT command in Vista x64 cmd prompt window.

> > I will try with Notepad or the old "copy con" command (remember it?)

> > My results will have to wait a few hours, I am at work now.

> > Carlos

> >

> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> >

> > > Ah, I admit that I forgot you mentioned the elevated command, but the

> greyed

> > > text is strange all the same - did you create the actual *.bat from an

> > > elevated command window? It has got EDIT has it not?

> > >

> > > Tony. . .

> > >

> > > "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > news:88DCB01C-AB8D-4177-BFCD-E2C5DEB55541@microsoft.com...

> > > > Tony,

> > > > I wish it were that simple.

> > > > If you right-click on the .bat file and go to the "Compatibility" tab,

> the

> > > > square box for checking (and enabling) the batch with Administrator

> > > > privileges is greyed out.

> > > > :(

> > > > Keep thinking, I know something will come out. Maybe after a gooood

> > > > Glenfoyle, uh?

> > > > :)

> > > > Carlos

> > > >

> > > > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > The easiest solution probably would be to put a *.BAT file (or

> > > something?)

> > > > > in your:

> > > > >

> > > > > C:\Documents and Settings\[uSERNAME]\Start

> Menu\Programs\Startup

> > > > >

> > > > > folder, and have that execute the command? At least as long as

> you're

> > > not

> > > > > going to use hundreds of commands like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > You'd probably see the faint shape of a black window flashing when

> you

> > > log

> > > > > in, but I think there's a 'silence' option switch to disable that.

> (Not

> > > > > sure).

> > > > >

> > > > > Tony. . .

> > > > >

> > >

>

July 21, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

Hmm - too bad, check this one out though:

http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2006/11/02/windows-vista-secret-10-open-an-elevated-command-prompt-in-six-keystrokes.aspx

and do not jump the comments.

Probably not more than you are aware of, but a few disparate things

collected in one place, I find.

There has to be an answer - in the mean-time, "au santé", my friend!

Tony. . .

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:76E73BF6-7C39-41D0-8AA7-4BC755DA6D99@microsoft.com...

> Tony,

> It didn't work.

> I started an elevated command prompt, did the "copy con" thing: no dice,

> started notepad from there: no dice.

> I still cannot enable that freaking *.bat to Run as Admin.

> I have prepared myself a "Negroni", 1/3 of gin + 1/3 of Campari + 1/3 of

Red

> Martini

> Life looks different now!

> :-S

> hic, hic, hic!

> Carlos

>

> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>

> > I really have no idea if this is the way to do it, but if you use N-Pad

you

> > should probably execute it from inside that command window - copy con is

> > probably the more natural interface (yes, I remember, but I am not sure

I

> > remember how to drive it?) On the other hand, I am sure you must have

> > EDLIN - Ha, ha, ha!!!

> >

> > Being the lazy type, I would probably do DIR > SOME.BAT and replace the

> > contents with that of your command in notepad later???

> >

> > The Glenfoyle sadly, has evaporated - I shall have to make do with the

far

> > more expensive Caol Ila (an Islay malt - pronounced as "Cull Eela").

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> > "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:751BCC20-4076-4191-81BD-CFA50D03A121@microsoft.com...

> > > Tony,

> > > I did not create the *.bat from an elevated command prompt window.

> > > I had not thought about that!

> > > There's no EDIT command in Vista x64 cmd prompt window.

> > > I will try with Notepad or the old "copy con" command (remember it?)

> > > My results will have to wait a few hours, I am at work now.

> > > Carlos

> > >

> > > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> > >

> > > > Ah, I admit that I forgot you mentioned the elevated command, but

the

> > greyed

> > > > text is strange all the same - did you create the actual *.bat from

an

> > > > elevated command window? It has got EDIT has it not?

> > > >

> > > > Tony. . .

> > > >

> > > > "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > > news:88DCB01C-AB8D-4177-BFCD-E2C5DEB55541@microsoft.com...

> > > > > Tony,

> > > > > I wish it were that simple.

> > > > > If you right-click on the .bat file and go to the "Compatibility"

tab,

> > the

> > > > > square box for checking (and enabling) the batch with

Administrator

> > > > > privileges is greyed out.

> > > > > :(

> > > > > Keep thinking, I know something will come out. Maybe after a

gooood

> > > > > Glenfoyle, uh?

> > > > > :)

> > > > > Carlos

> > > > >

> > > > > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > The easiest solution probably would be to put a *.BAT file (or

> > > > something?)

> > > > > > in your:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > C:\Documents and Settings\[uSERNAME]\Start

> > Menu\Programs\Startup

> > > > > >

> > > > > > folder, and have that execute the command? At least as long as

> > you're

> > > > not

> > > > > > going to use hundreds of commands like that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You'd probably see the faint shape of a black window flashing

when

> > you

> > > > log

> > > > > > in, but I think there's a 'silence' option switch to disable

that.

> > (Not

> > > > > > sure).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tony. . .

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

July 22, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

Ah - not to mention this one:

http://www.wintellect.com/cs/blogs/jrobbins/archive/2007/03/27/elevate-a-process-at-the-command-line-in-vista.aspx

Would that meet your needs?

Tony. . .

July 22, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

Thanks for your interest, Tony.

Will check those tomorrow. Now it is time to hit the sack.

Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> Ah - not to mention this one:

>

> http://www.wintellect.com/cs/blogs/jrobbins/archive/2007/03/27/elevate-a-process-at-the-command-line-in-vista.aspx

>

> Would that meet your needs?

>

> Tony. . .

>

July 22, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

Tony,

Thanks for your help, this link is very good.

I finally gave up on putting it in the startup group as Windows Defender

relentlessly blocks it.

It works, but I have to allow Defender to execute which is more or less the

same that executing my "old" batch file manually.

Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> Ah - not to mention this one:

>

> http://www.wintellect.com/cs/blogs/jrobbins/archive/2007/03/27/elevate-a-process-at-the-command-line-in-vista.aspx

>

> Would that meet your needs?

>

> Tony. . .

>

July 22, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

O.K. - that's interesting, and since there is no real UI to Defender, there

is not much anyone can do about that, except perhaps delay it's execution?

I'm thinking, since you are running Avast too, have you noticed that it has

an option to delay running the AV (and I am assuming they are refering to

the 'Service' parts of the system) as the last thing being activated at

log-in? They are not using magic doing this, so there has to be a mechanism

for that.

Also, what happens if you use *.CMD as the filename extension instead of

*.BAT, I don't really believe there should be any difference, but they must

have had a somewhat good reason to introduce an alternative filename so, who

knows?

Have you checked all imaginable batch file execution switches? I am getting

curious, and if I had the time I would investigate this myself, but time is

a substance with a property for evaporation just like many other precious

things in life.

Did you put the batch file in the root directory, or a directory that is on

the 'PATH'?

Just freewheeling a bit for you, Carlos - don't take it too seriously!

Tony. . .

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:D1481777-2D0C-4DCA-8A26-4FE71133109F@microsoft.com...

> Tony,

> Thanks for your help, this link is very good.

> I finally gave up on putting it in the startup group as Windows Defender

> relentlessly blocks it.

> It works, but I have to allow Defender to execute which is more or less

the

> same that executing my "old" batch file manually.

> Carlos

>

> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>

> > Ah - not to mention this one:

> >

http://www.wintellect.com/cs/blogs/jrobbins/archive/2007/03/27/elevate-a-process-at-the-command-line-in-vista.aspx

> >

> > Would that meet your needs?

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

July 23, 2008

Re: A problem, a solution, a question

Tony,

The problem is that Windows Defender doesn't "like" the Elevate.exe command.

The options for enabling it are greyed out, even if I start Defender as Admin.

It has no issues with the bat or shortcut, it even added the small shield

drawing in the shortcut icon recongnizing that elevate.exe was to be run as

admin.

:)

Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> O.K. - that's interesting, and since there is no real UI to Defender, there

> is not much anyone can do about that, except perhaps delay it's execution?

> I'm thinking, since you are running Avast too, have you noticed that it has

> an option to delay running the AV (and I am assuming they are refering to

> the 'Service' parts of the system) as the last thing being activated at

> log-in? They are not using magic doing this, so there has to be a mechanism

> for that.

>

> Also, what happens if you use *.CMD as the filename extension instead of

> *.BAT, I don't really believe there should be any difference, but they must

> have had a somewhat good reason to introduce an alternative filename so, who

> knows?

>

> Have you checked all imaginable batch file execution switches? I am getting

> curious, and if I had the time I would investigate this myself, but time is

> a substance with a property for evaporation just like many other precious

> things in life.

>

> Did you put the batch file in the root directory, or a directory that is on

> the 'PATH'?

>

> Just freewheeling a bit for you, Carlos - don't take it too seriously!

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:D1481777-2D0C-4DCA-8A26-4FE71133109F@microsoft.com...

> > Tony,

> > Thanks for your help, this link is very good.

> > I finally gave up on putting it in the startup group as Windows Defender

> > relentlessly blocks it.

> > It works, but I have to allow Defender to execute which is more or less

> the

> > same that executing my "old" batch file manually.

> > Carlos

> >

> > "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> >

> > > Ah - not to mention this one:

> > >

> http://www.wintellect.com/cs/blogs/jrobbins/archive/2007/03/27/elevate-a-process-at-the-command-line-in-vista.aspx

> > >

> > > Would that meet your needs?

> > >

> > > Tony. . .

> > >

>

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