Memory re-cap. . .

August 25, 2008

O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing the

2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed half and

it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the specifics

of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are 4x1024

units.

This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is roughly a

year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

Tony. . .

August 25, 2008

Re: Memory re-cap. . .

You will likely need to manually set the memory voltage in the bios. Most

fast 1066Mhz ram is designed to run at a higher voltage than the auto of the

motherboard defaults to. Also there is an issue on many motherboards not

running smoothly with all memory slots on the board filled. The usual

solution to this problem is to either manually set the voltage (sometimes it

needs to bumped higher than default) or slow the memory speed down till it

is stable. Here is the website for Dominator ram

http://www.corsair.com/products/dominator.aspx . I am not sure which model

you purchased but it looks like it is designed to run at 2.2V where I

believe DDR2 ram is normally 1.8V so setting the voltage may fix your

problem. Please check the appropriate product sheet from the webpage to find

the correct voltage for your ram.

HTH

Robert

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:uuYOSDrBJHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing the

> 2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed half and

> it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the specifics

> of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

>

> This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are

> 4x1024

> units.

>

> This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is roughly

> a

> year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

>

> Tony. . .

>

August 25, 2008

Re: Memory re-cap. . .

Some boards simply won't support 4 sticks. you can try upping the voltage to

the RAM a bit. That helps sometimes. I have another board that will do 6 GB

(2x2 + 2x1), but won't support 8 GB.

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:uuYOSDrBJHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing the

> 2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed half and

> it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the specifics

> of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

>

> This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are

> 4x1024

> units.

>

> This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is roughly

> a

> year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

>

> Tony. . .

>

August 25, 2008

RE: Memory re-cap. . .

Tony,

I can't recall your mobo model/make so I am just guessing.

If your uP is AMD, the 1066's only work at that speed with Quad-Core Phenoms.

Dual Core AMD's fastest memories are DDR2 800 MHz!

There is also a limitation regarding how many 1066 sticks you can place

simultaneously.

My motherboard has 4 slots with 16GB max capacity.

However, if I want to use 1066 memory, only 2 sticks (=2 slots) can be used

(one per channel).

Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing the

> 2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed half and

> it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the specifics

> of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

>

> This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are 4x1024

> units.

>

> This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is roughly a

> year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

>

> Tony. . .

>

August 25, 2008

Re: Memory re-cap. . .

Thanks to all!

After the last discussion on this issue, I was left with the impression that

filling all four slots would be O.K. as long as the memory wasn't filled to

capacity.

The board (M2N32-SLI Delux) has a BIOS setting for 1066 so I do expect it to

work in the proper configuration - it was running in 800 when I first

inserted the new memory, and it didn't boot even then.

But there is something fishy going on - something has kicked the CPU clock

to run in 3750 Mhz (the default is 2800! (Athlon 64 FX-62)) Funny thing,

though, the temperatures have been absolutely normal all afternoon, even at

that speed. Beyond this, I ran Sandra and some of the memory value settings

seem extremely slow and completely wrong. Not that I can remember what

everything was, I didn't run Sandra for at least a year. The Asus manual

says the board supports 8GB, but Sandra curiously reports it as supporting

16GB?

Now I have reset the BIOS and am laboriously going over everything in there

to see if I can come up with something. I guess from what you are all

saying, that I must hurry down there and have them swap the sticks for 2GB's

or maybe even stay with 800's.

Anybody know if the phenom takes DDR3 - not that I really want to change the

processor, of course, but this experience may have speeded up my desire for

'something else' as well.

Tony. . .

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:uuYOSDrBJHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing the

> 2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed half and

> it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the specifics

> of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

>

> This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are

4x1024

> units.

>

> This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is roughly

a

> year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

>

> Tony. . .

>

August 25, 2008

Re: Memory re-cap. . .

Tony,

Both

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_15331_15332%5E15334,00.html

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_15331_15332%5E15333,00.html

mention only DDR2 support, no word on DDR3.

On some web sites you will find predictions (non-Nostradamus based) that the

yet unborn 45nm Phenoms will support DDR3.

So, for the time being, Phenom = DDR2.

Carlos

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> Thanks to all!

>

> After the last discussion on this issue, I was left with the impression that

> filling all four slots would be O.K. as long as the memory wasn't filled to

> capacity.

>

> The board (M2N32-SLI Delux) has a BIOS setting for 1066 so I do expect it to

> work in the proper configuration - it was running in 800 when I first

> inserted the new memory, and it didn't boot even then.

>

> But there is something fishy going on - something has kicked the CPU clock

> to run in 3750 Mhz (the default is 2800! (Athlon 64 FX-62)) Funny thing,

> though, the temperatures have been absolutely normal all afternoon, even at

> that speed. Beyond this, I ran Sandra and some of the memory value settings

> seem extremely slow and completely wrong. Not that I can remember what

> everything was, I didn't run Sandra for at least a year. The Asus manual

> says the board supports 8GB, but Sandra curiously reports it as supporting

> 16GB?

>

> Now I have reset the BIOS and am laboriously going over everything in there

> to see if I can come up with something. I guess from what you are all

> saying, that I must hurry down there and have them swap the sticks for 2GB's

> or maybe even stay with 800's.

>

> Anybody know if the phenom takes DDR3 - not that I really want to change the

> processor, of course, but this experience may have speeded up my desire for

> 'something else' as well.

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> news:uuYOSDrBJHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing the

> > 2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed half and

> > it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the specifics

> > of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

> >

> > This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are

> 4x1024

> > units.

> >

> > This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is roughly

> a

> > year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

>

August 25, 2008

Re: Memory re-cap. . .

If you really have a M2N32-SLI Deluxe, then according to

ASUSTEK Computer, Inc your board does not support DDR2-1066.

The max it supports is DDR2-800.

Only AM2+ boards support DDR2-1066 when using Phenom CPUs.

Tony Sperling wrote:

> Thanks to all!

>

> After the last discussion on this issue, I was left with the impression that

> filling all four slots would be O.K. as long as the memory wasn't filled to

> capacity.

>

> The board (M2N32-SLI Delux) has a BIOS setting for 1066 so I do expect it to

> work in the proper configuration - it was running in 800 when I first

> inserted the new memory, and it didn't boot even then.

>

> But there is something fishy going on - something has kicked the CPU clock

> to run in 3750 Mhz (the default is 2800! (Athlon 64 FX-62)) Funny thing,

> though, the temperatures have been absolutely normal all afternoon, even at

> that speed. Beyond this, I ran Sandra and some of the memory value settings

> seem extremely slow and completely wrong. Not that I can remember what

> everything was, I didn't run Sandra for at least a year. The Asus manual

> says the board supports 8GB, but Sandra curiously reports it as supporting

> 16GB?

>

> Now I have reset the BIOS and am laboriously going over everything in there

> to see if I can come up with something. I guess from what you are all

> saying, that I must hurry down there and have them swap the sticks for 2GB's

> or maybe even stay with 800's.

>

> Anybody know if the phenom takes DDR3 - not that I really want to change the

> processor, of course, but this experience may have speeded up my desire for

> 'something else' as well.

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> news:uuYOSDrBJHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing the

>> 2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed half and

>> it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the specifics

>> of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

>>

>> This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are

> 4x1024

>> units.

>>

>> This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is roughly

> a

>> year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

>>

>> Tony. . .

>>

>

August 25, 2008

Re: Memory re-cap. . .

This confirms my suspicion - these Phenoms, they are starting to look good

though!

Tony. . .

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:E7DF9BB6-4BD8-49DC-B3BB-BBE22D5060BA@microsoft.com...

> Tony,

> Both

>

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_15331_15332%5E15334,00.html

>

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_15331_15332%5E15333,00.html

> mention only DDR2 support, no word on DDR3.

> On some web sites you will find predictions (non-Nostradamus based) that

the

> yet unborn 45nm Phenoms will support DDR3.

> So, for the time being, Phenom = DDR2.

> Carlos

>

> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>

> > Thanks to all!

> >

> > After the last discussion on this issue, I was left with the impression

that

> > filling all four slots would be O.K. as long as the memory wasn't filled

to

> > capacity.

> >

> > The board (M2N32-SLI Delux) has a BIOS setting for 1066 so I do expect

it to

> > work in the proper configuration - it was running in 800 when I first

> > inserted the new memory, and it didn't boot even then.

> >

> > But there is something fishy going on - something has kicked the CPU

clock

> > to run in 3750 Mhz (the default is 2800! (Athlon 64 FX-62)) Funny thing,

> > though, the temperatures have been absolutely normal all afternoon, even

at

> > that speed. Beyond this, I ran Sandra and some of the memory value

settings

> > seem extremely slow and completely wrong. Not that I can remember what

> > everything was, I didn't run Sandra for at least a year. The Asus manual

> > says the board supports 8GB, but Sandra curiously reports it as

supporting

> > 16GB?

> >

> > Now I have reset the BIOS and am laboriously going over everything in

there

> > to see if I can come up with something. I guess from what you are all

> > saying, that I must hurry down there and have them swap the sticks for

2GB's

> > or maybe even stay with 800's.

> >

> > Anybody know if the phenom takes DDR3 - not that I really want to change

the

> > processor, of course, but this experience may have speeded up my desire

for

> > 'something else' as well.

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> > "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> > news:uuYOSDrBJHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > > O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing

the

> > > 2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed half

and

> > > it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the

specifics

> > > of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

> > >

> > > This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are

> > 4x1024

> > > units.

> > >

> > > This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is

roughly

> > a

> > > year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

> > >

> > > Tony. . .

> > >

> >

August 25, 2008

Re: Memory re-cap. . .

After careful study of the published matterial, I can only confirm this.

They do, however, list the board as supporting a Max of 2GB in each slot for

a full 8GB - in the Qualified Vendors List there is quriously only one 2GB

supplier with a name to it: "ELPIDA" - which I have never heard of, and

quite likely will never come to lay my eyes on. I also doubt they are any

better than Corsairs, or whatever.

Tony. . .

"Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message

news:eqBv8QvBJHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> If you really have a M2N32-SLI Deluxe, then according to

> ASUSTEK Computer, Inc your board does not support DDR2-1066.

> The max it supports is DDR2-800.

>

> Only AM2+ boards support DDR2-1066 when using Phenom CPUs.

>

> Tony Sperling wrote:

> > Thanks to all!

> >

> > After the last discussion on this issue, I was left with the impression

that

> > filling all four slots would be O.K. as long as the memory wasn't filled

to

> > capacity.

> >

> > The board (M2N32-SLI Delux) has a BIOS setting for 1066 so I do expect

it to

> > work in the proper configuration - it was running in 800 when I first

> > inserted the new memory, and it didn't boot even then.

> >

> > But there is something fishy going on - something has kicked the CPU

clock

> > to run in 3750 Mhz (the default is 2800! (Athlon 64 FX-62)) Funny thing,

> > though, the temperatures have been absolutely normal all afternoon, even

at

> > that speed. Beyond this, I ran Sandra and some of the memory value

settings

> > seem extremely slow and completely wrong. Not that I can remember what

> > everything was, I didn't run Sandra for at least a year. The Asus manual

> > says the board supports 8GB, but Sandra curiously reports it as

supporting

> > 16GB?

> >

> > Now I have reset the BIOS and am laboriously going over everything in

there

> > to see if I can come up with something. I guess from what you are all

> > saying, that I must hurry down there and have them swap the sticks for

2GB's

> > or maybe even stay with 800's.

> >

> > Anybody know if the phenom takes DDR3 - not that I really want to change

the

> > processor, of course, but this experience may have speeded up my desire

for

> > 'something else' as well.

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> > "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> > news:uuYOSDrBJHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> >> O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing

the

> >> 2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed half

and

> >> it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the

specifics

> >> of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

> >>

> >> This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are

> > 4x1024

> >> units.

> >>

> >> This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is

roughly

> > a

> >> year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

> >>

> >> Tony. . .

> >>

> >

August 25, 2008

Re: Memory re-cap. . .

I agree, the Phenoms look promising. But I'm really hoping for a new Opteron

based server....

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:OgS3%23MwBJHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> This confirms my suspicion - these Phenoms, they are starting to look good

> though!

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:E7DF9BB6-4BD8-49DC-B3BB-BBE22D5060BA@microsoft.com...

>> Tony,

>> Both

>>

> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_15331_15332%5E15334,00.html

>>

> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_15331_15332%5E15333,00.html

>> mention only DDR2 support, no word on DDR3.

>> On some web sites you will find predictions (non-Nostradamus based) that

> the

>> yet unborn 45nm Phenoms will support DDR3.

>> So, for the time being, Phenom = DDR2.

>> Carlos

>>

>> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>>

>> > Thanks to all!

>> >

>> > After the last discussion on this issue, I was left with the impression

> that

>> > filling all four slots would be O.K. as long as the memory wasn't

>> > filled

> to

>> > capacity.

>> >

>> > The board (M2N32-SLI Delux) has a BIOS setting for 1066 so I do expect

> it to

>> > work in the proper configuration - it was running in 800 when I first

>> > inserted the new memory, and it didn't boot even then.

>> >

>> > But there is something fishy going on - something has kicked the CPU

> clock

>> > to run in 3750 Mhz (the default is 2800! (Athlon 64 FX-62)) Funny

>> > thing,

>> > though, the temperatures have been absolutely normal all afternoon,

>> > even

> at

>> > that speed. Beyond this, I ran Sandra and some of the memory value

> settings

>> > seem extremely slow and completely wrong. Not that I can remember what

>> > everything was, I didn't run Sandra for at least a year. The Asus

>> > manual

>> > says the board supports 8GB, but Sandra curiously reports it as

> supporting

>> > 16GB?

>> >

>> > Now I have reset the BIOS and am laboriously going over everything in

> there

>> > to see if I can come up with something. I guess from what you are all

>> > saying, that I must hurry down there and have them swap the sticks for

> 2GB's

>> > or maybe even stay with 800's.

>> >

>> > Anybody know if the phenom takes DDR3 - not that I really want to

>> > change

> the

>> > processor, of course, but this experience may have speeded up my desire

> for

>> > 'something else' as well.

>> >

>> > Tony. . .

>> >

>> > "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

>> > news:uuYOSDrBJHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> > > O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing

> the

>> > > 2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed

>> > > half

> and

>> > > it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the

> specifics

>> > > of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

>> > >

>> > > This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are

>> > 4x1024

>> > > units.

>> > >

>> > > This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is

> roughly

>> > a

>> > > year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

>> > >

>> > > Tony. . .

>> > >

>> >

>

August 29, 2008

Re: Memory re-cap. . .

First, thanks to all!

I made them take back the Dominators and bought a set of 4GB Kingston Low

Latency 800Mhz HyperX instead - four sticks - works fine. Machine seems to

boot smoother - Sandra runs it's tests without the 'Percentage Widget'

making any pauses, I've never seen that before.

Tony. . .

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:uuYOSDrBJHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> O.K. - I just came back home with 4GB 1066Mhz Dominator RAM replacing the

> 2GB 800 Mhz I had - naturally, the machine didn't boot. I removed half and

> it boots fine, Windows is running, but now I cannot remember the specifics

> of successfully adding the remaining 2GB.

>

> This is XP x64 - the board supports 8GB in 4 slots and the sticks are

4x1024

> units.

>

> This is the repaired machine with a new MB and the BIOS version is roughly

a

> year old and a relatively late version but not the latest one.

>

> Tony. . .

>

September 3, 2008

Re: Memory re-cap. . .

I managed to dig out the data-sheet for my new memory and while I have read

stuff like this before, this is probably the first time I've actually

studied what it was saying. I want to find the optimum voltage and this

seems to be saying that if I set it to 1,8v it will pick a higher Latency,

and if I set it to 2,3 (for which it has been tested) it should

automatically switch itself to the lower Latency.

The sticks ARE labeled as utra low-latency memory!

******** <snip>

Kingston's KHX6400D2ULK2/2G is a kit of two ultra low-latency 128M x 64-bit

1GB (1024MB)

DDR2-800 CL3 SDRAM (Synchronous DRAM) memory modules, based on sixteen 64M x

8-bit

DDR2 FBGA components per module. Total kit capacity is 2GB (2048MB). Each

module pair has

been tested to run at DDR2 800MHz at low latency timing of 3-3-3-10 at

2.3-2.35V. The SPD is

programmed to JEDEC standard latency 800Mhz timing of 5-5-5-15 at 1.8V. Each

240-pin DIMM

uses gold contact fingers and requires +1.8V. The electrical and mechanical

specifications are as

follows:

Timing Reference: 800MHz 5-5-5-15 at +1.8V / 800MHz 3-3-3-10 at +2.3-2.35V

<snip>

**********

I've initially set it 1,9 since the value isn't on the label and I was

guessing at something between 1,8 - 2,1. It is absolutely stable at the

moment, but this seems to suggest that I can safely wring a bit more

performance out of it?

The temperatures are very nice, the CPU is typically 7 - 3 degr. C colder

than the MB at idle or under low load, so I'm not really concerned - just

want to check that I am not missinterpreting anything here.

Tony. . .

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