Win98 to 2000

[Guest Cottonmouth]

I've been using W98 for years without problems, but it's getting so there's

too many things I can't use/access with W98. My sister has offered me

Win2000 so to bring me out of the dark ages. The questions I have are; is

W2000 a memory hog(384meg); would it be better to make it dual bootable

with W98 so if I had problems I'd still be able to fall back on W98? Are

all the patches readily available for download or on CD? It's been a long,

long time since I've upgraded and I'm a little nervous about jumping into

it. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

[Guest Anon]

Re: Win98 to 2000

 

Cottonmouth wrote:

> I've been using W98 for years without problems, but it's getting so there's

> too many things I can't use/access with W98. My sister has offered me

> Win2000 so to bring me out of the dark ages.

 

I stayed with DOS until after W2000 came out, when I upgraded to W98.

Then I stayed with W98 until well after XP came out when I upgraded to

W2000 (my nephew gave it to me. Lately I have been looking at XP.

> The questions I have are; is W2000 a memory hog(384meg);

 

W2k needs more memory than W98, but 384meg is enough, my system ran okay

with 256meg, but it runs better with 512meg, and with the current price

of memory I'm considering getting more. If your motherboard can support

it, it wouldn't hurt to get some more.

> would it be better to make it dual bootable

> with W98 so if I had problems I'd still be able to fall back on W98?

 

Yes. There are things you are running on W98 that will not run on W2k.

When I upgraded my wifes system from W98 to XP, there were a lot of

things that wouldn't run on W98, games and other things, and I regretted

that I didn't make it a dual boot system.

> Are all the patches readily available for download or on CD?

 

You will need SP4 if it's not already slipstreamed into the W2k CD, and

the Security Rollup. You can still get them from the Microsoft site,

but I understand that they are going to cut it off before long.

> It's been a long,

> long time since I've upgraded and I'm a little nervous about jumping into

> it. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

You also need to go through all your devices, motherboard, LAN card,

video card, printer, scanner, etc. and make sure there are W2k drivers

for them. Anything you can't find a driver for will have to be replaced.

[Guest philo]

Re: Win98 to 2000

 

 

"Cottonmouth" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message

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> I've been using W98 for years without problems, but it's getting so

there's

> too many things I can't use/access with W98. My sister has offered me

> Win2000 so to bring me out of the dark ages. The questions I have are; is

> W2000 a memory hog(384meg); would it be better to make it dual bootable

> with W98 so if I had problems I'd still be able to fall back on W98? Are

> all the patches readily available for download or on CD? It's been a

long,

> long time since I've upgraded and I'm a little nervous about jumping into

> it. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

I run a number of different operating systems here, but my main one is

Win2000.

 

It's far superior to Win98...and though it does require more RAM, your 384

megs should be plenty.

 

One thing though, it is NOT a good idea to attempt an upgrade of Win98 ==>

Win2k...

It is sure to have problems.

 

The best thing to do is dual boot,

that way you can configure your Win2k but until you are fully up and

running,

you will still have your Win98 to use.

 

The important thing is that Win2k be installed on a SEPARATE partition from

Win98,

so if your drive has only one partition, you may want to just put a 2nd

drive in your machine.

 

Once Win2k is installed, you will need a lot of updates, but they are still

avail from the update site.

 

First thing I'd do is install SP4 if your CD is older...

next, install IE6

 

once sp4 and IE6 are installed, you can get all the updates...

there will be at least 50 of them or more but it is a very good idea to

install them.

 

 

You will also want to go with a virus checker and you should probably

install that prior to putting the machine on line

[Guest Cottonmouth]

Re: Win98 to 2000

 

Anon <Anon@bogus.com> wrote in

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> Cottonmouth wrote:

>> I've been using W98 for years without problems, but it's getting so

>> there's too many things I can't use/access with W98. My sister has

>> offered me Win2000 so to bring me out of the dark ages.

>

> I stayed with DOS until after W2000 came out, when I upgraded to W98.

> Then I stayed with W98 until well after XP came out when I upgraded to

> W2000 (my nephew gave it to me. Lately I have been looking at XP.

 

Geez! And I thought I stayed with DOS a long time. I broke down and got

Win3.1 for Workgroups after W95 came out. :D

>

>> The questions I have are; is W2000 a memory hog(384meg);

>

> W2k needs more memory than W98, but 384meg is enough, my system ran

> okay with 256meg, but it runs better with 512meg, and with the current

> price of memory I'm considering getting more. If your motherboard can

> support it, it wouldn't hurt to get some more.

>

>> would it be better to make it dual bootable

>> with W98 so if I had problems I'd still be able to fall back on W98?

>

> Yes. There are things you are running on W98 that will not run on

 

Yeah, I guess dual-boot is the way to go then.

 

>

>> Are all the patches readily available for download or on CD?

>

> You will need SP4 if it's not already slipstreamed into the W2k CD,

> and the Security Rollup. You can still get them from the Microsoft

> site, but I understand that they are going to cut it off before long.

 

Since I haven't received the disk yet, I'll have to wait and see what

version it has on it.

> You also need to go through all your devices, motherboard, LAN card,

> video card, printer, scanner, etc. and make sure there are W2k drivers

> for them. Anything you can't find a driver for will have to be

> replaced.

 

Holy hell! I have a really old Scantastic scanner/w it's own card and I

don't remember if it's 16bit or 32bit. Oh well, probably time I upgraded

that too. Scanners are cheap these days. So much of my stuff has been in

there 'forever' I may well be looking at just gutting this thing and

building it anew. I really don't look forward to that! :)

 

Thanks much for your reply.

[Guest Cottonmouth]

Re: Win98 to 2000

 

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in

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>

> "Cottonmouth" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message

> news:Xns9B2F929FDCA03myemailemalecom@216.77.188.18...

>

> The important thing is that Win2k be installed on a SEPARATE partition

> from Win98,

> so if your drive has only one partition, you may want to just put a

> 2nd drive in your machine.

 

This is a good point and I'm glad you brought it up. My drive has two

partitions, C and D. Question is, will W2000 install on the D drive? They

usually default to 'C'. Does it give you the option of installing on the

'D' drive?

>

> Once Win2k is installed, you will need a lot of updates, but they are

> still avail from the update site.

> First thing I'd do is install SP4 if your CD is older...

> next, install IE6

> once sp4 and IE6 are installed, you can get all the updates...

> there will be at least 50 of them or more but it is a very good idea

> to install them.

 

Is SP4 an update that can be downloaded or is it an upgrade?

I take it that the updates require you have IE6 installed. Guess I can

tolerate it till I get the updating done. ;) I'm a Mozilla man.

> You will also want to go with a virus checker and you should probably

> install that prior to putting the machine on line

 

You can be certain of that! I had to re-install W98 on a new hard-drive

and made the mistake of checking mail with Outhouse Express. Damn thing

promply installed a virus for me! I had to format the drive and re-re-

install. :D

 

Thanks to you guys, I've got a better prospective on what I'm looking at.

Dammit, I'm happy with W98 and really hate to make the move, but progress

happens.<sigh>

[Guest John John (MVP)]

Re: Win98 to 2000

 

Cottonmouth wrote:

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in

> news:uBvQ3m$JJHA.5972@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>

>

>>"Cottonmouth" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message

>>news:Xns9B2F929FDCA03myemailemalecom@216.77.188.18...

>

>

>>The important thing is that Win2k be installed on a SEPARATE partition

>>from Win98,

>>so if your drive has only one partition, you may want to just put a

>>2nd drive in your machine.

>

>

> This is a good point and I'm glad you brought it up. My drive has two

> partitions, C and D. Question is, will W2000 install on the D drive? They

> usually default to 'C'. Does it give you the option of installing on the

> 'D' drive?

 

It doesn't bother Windows 2000 at all to be installed on a drive other

than C:. When you install Windows 2000 you will be given a choice of

which disk/partition you want to install on, it will also create a

multiboot setup if a previous Windows version is detected during the

installation.

 

 

>>Once Win2k is installed, you will need a lot of updates, but they are

>>still avail from the update site.

>>First thing I'd do is install SP4 if your CD is older...

>>next, install IE6

>>once sp4 and IE6 are installed, you can get all the updates...

>>there will be at least 50 of them or more but it is a very good idea

>>to install them.

>

>

> Is SP4 an update that can be downloaded or is it an upgrade?

> I take it that the updates require you have IE6 installed. Guess I can

> tolerate it till I get the updating done. ;) I'm a Mozilla man.

 

Make sure that you apply these *before* you connect to an outside network!

 

http://download.microsoft.com/download/E/6/A/E6A04295-D2A8-40D0-A0C5-241BFECD095E/W2KSP4_EN.EXE

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-043.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-049.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?amp;displaylang=en&familyid=B54730CF-8850-4531-B52B-BF28B324C662&displaylang=en

 

 

>>You will also want to go with a virus checker and you should probably

>>install that prior to putting the machine on line

>

>

> You can be certain of that! I had to re-install W98 on a new hard-drive

> and made the mistake of checking mail with Outhouse Express. Damn thing

> promply installed a virus for me! I had to format the drive and re-re-

> install. :D

 

Before you connect to the internet you need to protect Windows 2000 with

a firewall!

 

John

[Guest philo]

Re: Win98 to 2000

 

 

"Cottonmouth" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message

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> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in

> news:uBvQ3m$JJHA.5972@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>

> >

> > "Cottonmouth" <noway@nohow.com> wrote in message

> > news:Xns9B2F929FDCA03myemailemalecom@216.77.188.18...

>

> >

> > The important thing is that Win2k be installed on a SEPARATE partition

> > from Win98,

> > so if your drive has only one partition, you may want to just put a

> > 2nd drive in your machine.

>

> This is a good point and I'm glad you brought it up. My drive has two

> partitions, C and D. Question is, will W2000 install on the D drive?

They

> usually default to 'C'. Does it give you the option of installing on the

> 'D' drive?

>

> >

 

Yes, you can install it on the D: drive...no problem...

 

just watch the installer options carefully!!!!

 

> > Once Win2k is installed, you will need a lot of updates, but they are

> > still avail from the update site.

> > First thing I'd do is install SP4 if your CD is older...

> > next, install IE6

> > once sp4 and IE6 are installed, you can get all the updates...

> > there will be at least 50 of them or more but it is a very good idea

> > to install them.

>

> Is SP4 an update that can be downloaded or is it an upgrade?

> I take it that the updates require you have IE6 installed. Guess I can

> tolerate it till I get the updating done. ;) I'm a Mozilla man.

>

> > You will also want to go with a virus checker and you should probably

> > install that prior to putting the machine on line

>

> You can be certain of that! I had to re-install W98 on a new hard-drive

> and made the mistake of checking mail with Outhouse Express. Damn thing

> promply installed a virus for me! I had to format the drive and re-re-

> install. :D

>

> Thanks to you guys, I've got a better prospective on what I'm looking at.

> Dammit, I'm happy with W98 and really hate to make the move, but progress

> happens.<sigh>

>

>

[Guest TestTurtle]

Re: Win98 to 2000

 

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in

news:#$hN8kJKJHA.2444@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> Cottonmouth wrote:

 

For W98 go here:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?

dg=microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update&tid=2a0d5b40-

4b4e-4407-bd66-e14c3962a79c&cat=en_US_1e460e32-d1c1-4b19-b946-

627dc9559b28&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=&p=1

 

or

http://tinyurl.com/4o3skm

http://tinyurl.com/4tzvd6

 

If tinyurl doesn't work..you'll have to c & p the full one to a new

tab/empty address bar in FF.

 

 

>

> It doesn't bother Windows 2000 at all to be installed on a drive

> other than C:. When you install Windows 2000 you will be given

> a choice of which disk/partition you want to install on, it will

> also create a multiboot setup if a previous Windows version is

> detected during the installation.

>

>

>

>>>Once Win2k is installed, you will need a lot of updates, but

>>>they are still avail from the update site.

>>>First thing I'd do is install SP4 if your CD is older...

>>>next, install IE6

>>>once sp4 and IE6 are installed, you can get all the updates...

>>>there will be at least 50 of them or more but it is a very good

>>>idea to install them.

>>

>>

>> Is SP4 an update that can be downloaded or is it an upgrade?

 

You can still order SP4 Cds in US and CAN.

> Make sure that you apply these *before* you connect to an

> outside network!

>

> http://download.microsoft.com/download/E/6/A/E6A04295-D2A8-40D0-A

> 0C5-241BFECD095E/W2KSP4_EN.EXE

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-043.mspx

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-049.mspx

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?amp;displaylang=e

> n&familyid=B54730CF-8850-4531-B52B-BF28B324C662&displaylang=en

>

>

>

> Before you connect to the internet you need to protect Windows

> 2000 with a firewall!

>

> John

>

>

Well that's really really paranoid, when doing a rebuild or new

build I just go directly to Microsoft [after installing AVG, which

so far 7.5 is still getting definition updates,and Spybot S&D, or

you may want one of the all-in-one packages like 8.0] get the IE6

[though I think the last time I put it somewhere as a file,for

later use] let it update to the

rollup...disconnect...reboot..connect...update your antivirus and

spyware killer(s) disconnect and run a check on your system then

reboot, go to the Kaspersky site and let it run as a double check.

Stick with Firefox or your favourite flavour of Netscape[yes I know

about March 1st,2008 but there is an archive] but IE6 is used for

various things like HTML help as the above site will tell you.

 

As for Firewalls....I say it depends on your level of experience...

I got fed up trying to teach ZoneAlarm and the others right from

wrong/yes and no and just got a high bandwidth modem that can be

disconnected from the AC power without having to be

reset/reconfigured each time. Though I expect to have to change in

2010 when Microslop says they'll stop security patches for W2kP.

In which case I hope to find a firewall that doesn't take up as

much home time as previously.

 

That's my firewall, AC plug in/plug out, though not recommended for

business, in which case one could write off the expense of a pay-

for solution/subscription for computers that are connected 24/7 to

the WWW, in their taxes.

The firewall in XP was put there mainly to protect the casual user.

 

I also keep the most precious data on removables,floppies,bernouli

boxes,Zip disks etc and now, flashdrives and memory sticks, 'cause

if its not there they can't get at it.

 

I have 23 harmless tracking cookies and two harmless MRUs each

makes it easier to re-log on to my trusted sites and if I used Ad-

Aware to kill them I'd have to logon the slow way, from scratch

each time. The harmful ones get killed right away anyhow.

[Guest John John (MVP)]

Re: Win98 to 2000

 

TestTurtle wrote:

> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in

>>Before you connect to the internet you need to protect Windows

>>2000 with a firewall!

> Well that's really really paranoid, when doing a rebuild or new

> build I just go directly to Microsoft

 

There is nothing paranoid about this, an unpatched Windows 2000

installation can be infected in less than one minute after connecting to

the internet! As for running any NT versions without a firewall

(hardware or software type) that is just plainly not a very good idea.

 

John

[Guest TestTurtle]

Re: Win98 to 2000

 

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in

news:#M9A5baKJHA.2444@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> TestTurtle wrote:

>

>> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in

>

>>>Before you connect to the internet you need to protect Windows

>>>2000 with a firewall!

>

>> Well that's really really paranoid, when doing a rebuild or new

>> build I just go directly to Microsoft.........read the rest

>

> There is nothing paranoid about this, an unpatched Windows 2000

> installation can be infected in less than one minute after

> connecting to the internet! As for running any NT versions

> without a firewall (hardware or software type) that is just

> plainly not a very good idea.

>

> John

 

 

Which is why I emphasized going straight to M$ update site, going

nowhere else until you've checked your system then double checking

with the free Kaspersky site and my on/off modem serves well as a

hardware firewall, I should have added to quarantine all downloads

until your anti-viral and anti-spyware has a chance to examine before

moving to separate storage and again, it depends on your level of

experience.

[Guest John John (MVP)]

Re: Win98 to 2000

 

TestTurtle wrote:

> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in

> news:#M9A5baKJHA.2444@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>

>

>>TestTurtle wrote:

>>

>>

>>>"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in

>>

>>>>Before you connect to the internet you need to protect Windows

>>>>2000 with a firewall!

>>

>>>Well that's really really paranoid, when doing a rebuild or new

>>>build I just go directly to Microsoft.........read the rest

>>

>>There is nothing paranoid about this, an unpatched Windows 2000

>>installation can be infected in less than one minute after

>>connecting to the internet! As for running any NT versions

>>without a firewall (hardware or software type) that is just

>>plainly not a very good idea.

>>

>>John

>

>

>

> Which is why I emphasized going straight to M$ update site, going

> nowhere else until you've checked your system then double checking

> with the free Kaspersky site and my on/off modem serves well as a

> hardware firewall, I should have added to quarantine all downloads

> until your anti-viral and anti-spyware has a chance to examine before

> moving to separate storage and again, it depends on your level of

> experience.

 

You can get infected before you even make it to the Microsoft site and

do the downloads. As installed Windows 2000 is extremely vulnerable,

either patch the machine or setup a firewall *before* connecting to the

internet. If you have a hardware firwall then you will be protected.

 

John