virtual memory

October 24, 2008

I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting photos,

etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system saying

that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to increase

same. My programs are not terminated, however.

I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87% free

space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual memory

on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not be

located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have another

hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500 MB). I

have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great waste of

system resources.

Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something else

creating the virtual memory warnings?

Thanks in advance for all comments.

Regards,

Gordon Biggar

Houston, Texas

October 24, 2008

Re: virtual memory

"Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

photos,

> etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system saying

> that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to increase

> same. My programs are not terminated, however.

>

> I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87% free

> space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

memory

> on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

>

> I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not be

> located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have another

> hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500 MB). I

> have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great waste

of

> system resources.

>

> Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something else

> creating the virtual memory warnings?

>

> Thanks in advance for all comments.

>

> Regards,

>

> Gordon Biggar

> Houston, Texas

>

I'd put it back on the same drive as your OS

but set the maximum size up to perhaps 800 megs

BTW: it would not hurt to bump your RAM up to at least 512 megs

October 24, 2008

Re: virtual memory

Peoples have all sorts of technical opinions on the page file location, but

I must confess I've not seen any MS reccomendation that the page file be

located on seperate hd to the system.

Generally the page file should be set to system managed, and generally has a

max size is 1.5*ram

BTW as philo states bumping up your ram to 512mb would likely lead to a

wonderous result.

260mb ram? do you have onboard graphics which is utilising sys ram?

Also is your file system NTFS?

"Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

news:u$a63QeNJHA.4428@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Thanks for your very prompt response.

>

> Technical question: the HELP section says to avoid placing pagefile.sys on

> the same hard drive as one's system files. I would imagine that the vast

> majority of users only have one hard drive, but where there may be a

> second

> drive, your comment implies that you nonetheless prefer to place it on the

> same drive as where the system files are located.

>

> What might be your rationale, or might your response be too technical for

> a

> non-tech to comprehend? !

>

> Thanks again.

>

> GGB

>

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> news:evqVc6aNJHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

>> news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> > I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

>> photos,

>> > etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system

>> > saying

>> > that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to

> increase

>> > same. My programs are not terminated, however.

>> >

>> > I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87% free

>> > space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

>> memory

>> > on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

>> >

>> > I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not

> be

>> > located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have

>> > another

>> > hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500 MB).

> I

>> > have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great

> waste

>> of

>> > system resources.

>> >

>> > Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something

> else

>> > creating the virtual memory warnings?

>> >

>> > Thanks in advance for all comments.

>> >

>> > Regards,

>> >

>> > Gordon Biggar

>> > Houston, Texas

>> >

>>

>> I'd put it back on the same drive as your OS

>> but set the maximum size up to perhaps 800 megs

>>

>> BTW: it would not hurt to bump your RAM up to at least 512 megs

>>

>

October 24, 2008

Re: virtual memory

Configuring paging files for optimization and recovery in Windows Server

2003, in Windows 2000, and in Windows NT

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197379/

John

DL wrote:

> Peoples have all sorts of technical opinions on the page file location, but

> I must confess I've not seen any MS reccomendation that the page file be

> located on seperate hd to the system.

> Generally the page file should be set to system managed, and generally has a

> max size is 1.5*ram

> BTW as philo states bumping up your ram to 512mb would likely lead to a

> wonderous result.

> 260mb ram? do you have onboard graphics which is utilising sys ram?

> Also is your file system NTFS?

>

> "Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

> news:u$a63QeNJHA.4428@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

>>Thanks for your very prompt response.

>>

>>Technical question: the HELP section says to avoid placing pagefile.sys on

>>the same hard drive as one's system files. I would imagine that the vast

>>majority of users only have one hard drive, but where there may be a

>>second

>>drive, your comment implies that you nonetheless prefer to place it on the

>>same drive as where the system files are located.

>>

>>What might be your rationale, or might your response be too technical for

>>a

>>non-tech to comprehend? !

>>

>>Thanks again.

>>

>>GGB

>>

>>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

>>news:evqVc6aNJHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>"Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

>>>news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>>I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

>>>

>>>photos,

>>>

>>>>etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system

>>>>saying

>>>>that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to

>>

>>increase

>>

>>>>same. My programs are not terminated, however.

>>>>

>>>>I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87% free

>>>>space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

>>>

>>>memory

>>>

>>>>on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

>>>>

>>>>I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not

>>

>>be

>>

>>>>located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have

>>>>another

>>>>hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500 MB).

>>

>>I

>>

>>>>have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great

>>

>>waste

>>

>>>of

>>>

>>>>system resources.

>>>>

>>>>Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something

>>

>>else

>>

>>>>creating the virtual memory warnings?

>>>>

>>>>Thanks in advance for all comments.

>>>>

>>>>Regards,

>>>>

>>>>Gordon Biggar

>>>>Houston, Texas

>>>>

>>>

>>>I'd put it back on the same drive as your OS

>>>but set the maximum size up to perhaps 800 megs

>>>

>>>BTW: it would not hurt to bump your RAM up to at least 512 megs

>>>

>>

>

October 24, 2008

Re: virtual memory

Thanks for your very prompt response.

Technical question: the HELP section says to avoid placing pagefile.sys on

the same hard drive as one's system files. I would imagine that the vast

majority of users only have one hard drive, but where there may be a second

drive, your comment implies that you nonetheless prefer to place it on the

same drive as where the system files are located.

What might be your rationale, or might your response be too technical for a

non-tech to comprehend? !

Thanks again.

GGB

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

news:evqVc6aNJHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

> "Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

> news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

> photos,

> > etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system saying

> > that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to

increase

> > same. My programs are not terminated, however.

> >

> > I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87% free

> > space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

> memory

> > on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

> >

> > I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not

be

> > located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have another

> > hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500 MB).

I

> > have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great

waste

> of

> > system resources.

> >

> > Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something

else

> > creating the virtual memory warnings?

> >

> > Thanks in advance for all comments.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Gordon Biggar

> > Houston, Texas

> >

>

> I'd put it back on the same drive as your OS

> but set the maximum size up to perhaps 800 megs

>

> BTW: it would not hurt to bump your RAM up to at least 512 megs

>

October 24, 2008

Re: virtual memory

ta

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

news:ux0wSieNJHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Configuring paging files for optimization and recovery in Windows Server

> 2003, in Windows 2000, and in Windows NT

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197379/

>

> John

>

> DL wrote:

>> Peoples have all sorts of technical opinions on the page file location,

>> but I must confess I've not seen any MS reccomendation that the page file

>> be located on seperate hd to the system.

>> Generally the page file should be set to system managed, and generally

>> has a max size is 1.5*ram

>> BTW as philo states bumping up your ram to 512mb would likely lead to a

>> wonderous result.

>> 260mb ram? do you have onboard graphics which is utilising sys ram?

>> Also is your file system NTFS?

>>

>> "Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

>> news:u$a63QeNJHA.4428@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

>>>Thanks for your very prompt response.

>>>

>>>Technical question: the HELP section says to avoid placing pagefile.sys

>>>on

>>>the same hard drive as one's system files. I would imagine that the vast

>>>majority of users only have one hard drive, but where there may be a

>>>second

>>>drive, your comment implies that you nonetheless prefer to place it on

>>>the

>>>same drive as where the system files are located.

>>>

>>>What might be your rationale, or might your response be too technical for

>>>a

>>>non-tech to comprehend? !

>>>

>>>Thanks again.

>>>

>>>GGB

>>>

>>>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

>>>news:evqVc6aNJHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>>"Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

>>>>news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>

>>>>>I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

>>>>

>>>>photos,

>>>>

>>>>>etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system

>>>>>saying

>>>>>that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to

>>>

>>>increase

>>>

>>>>>same. My programs are not terminated, however.

>>>>>

>>>>>I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87% free

>>>>>space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

>>>>

>>>>memory

>>>>

>>>>>on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

>>>>>

>>>>>I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not

>>>

>>>be

>>>

>>>>>located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have

>>>>>another

>>>>>hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500 MB).

>>>

>>>I

>>>

>>>>>have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great

>>>

>>>waste

>>>

>>>>of

>>>>

>>>>>system resources.

>>>>>

>>>>>Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something

>>>

>>>else

>>>

>>>>>creating the virtual memory warnings?

>>>>>

>>>>>Thanks in advance for all comments.

>>>>>

>>>>>Regards,

>>>>>

>>>>>Gordon Biggar

>>>>>Houston, Texas

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>I'd put it back on the same drive as your OS

>>>>but set the maximum size up to perhaps 800 megs

>>>>

>>>>BTW: it would not hurt to bump your RAM up to at least 512 megs

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

October 24, 2008

Re: virtual memory

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

news:ux0wSieNJHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Configuring paging files for optimization and recovery in Windows Server

> 2003, in Windows 2000, and in Windows NT

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197379/

>

I'd say to go with what the article said.

However:

I've run some experiements to see if it made any difference which drive the

pagefile

was on and could not see any noticible difference

I suggested you put the page file on the same drive as you OS

because you seem to have very little free space on your 2nd drive...

If you had more free space there, I would have told you to just leave it

where it is, but simply increase the size

At any rate, for best results you should see about adding soem RAM

> John

>

> DL wrote:

> > Peoples have all sorts of technical opinions on the page file location,

but

> > I must confess I've not seen any MS reccomendation that the page file be

> > located on seperate hd to the system.

> > Generally the page file should be set to system managed, and generally

has a

> > max size is 1.5*ram

> > BTW as philo states bumping up your ram to 512mb would likely lead to a

> > wonderous result.

> > 260mb ram? do you have onboard graphics which is utilising sys ram?

> > Also is your file system NTFS?

> >

> > "Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

> > news:u$a63QeNJHA.4428@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> >

> >>Thanks for your very prompt response.

> >>

> >>Technical question: the HELP section says to avoid placing pagefile.sys

on

> >>the same hard drive as one's system files. I would imagine that the

vast

> >>majority of users only have one hard drive, but where there may be a

> >>second

> >>drive, your comment implies that you nonetheless prefer to place it on

the

> >>same drive as where the system files are located.

> >>

> >>What might be your rationale, or might your response be too technical

for

> >>a

> >>non-tech to comprehend? !

> >>

> >>Thanks again.

> >>

> >>GGB

> >>

> >>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> >>news:evqVc6aNJHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >>

> >>>"Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >>>

> >>>>I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

> >>>

> >>>photos,

> >>>

> >>>>etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system

> >>>>saying

> >>>>that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to

> >>

> >>increase

> >>

> >>>>same. My programs are not terminated, however.

> >>>>

> >>>>I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87%

free

> >>>>space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

> >>>

> >>>memory

> >>>

> >>>>on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

> >>>>

> >>>>I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not

> >>

> >>be

> >>

> >>>>located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have

> >>>>another

> >>>>hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500

MB).

> >>

> >>I

> >>

> >>>>have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great

> >>

> >>waste

> >>

> >>>of

> >>>

> >>>>system resources.

> >>>>

> >>>>Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something

> >>

> >>else

> >>

> >>>>creating the virtual memory warnings?

> >>>>

> >>>>Thanks in advance for all comments.

> >>>>

> >>>>Regards,

> >>>>

> >>>>Gordon Biggar

> >>>>Houston, Texas

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>I'd put it back on the same drive as your OS

> >>>but set the maximum size up to perhaps 800 megs

> >>>

> >>>BTW: it would not hurt to bump your RAM up to at least 512 megs

> >>>

> >>

> >

>

October 24, 2008

Re: virtual memory

philo wrote:

> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

> news:ux0wSieNJHA.3480@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>>Configuring paging files for optimization and recovery in Windows Server

>>2003, in Windows 2000, and in Windows NT

>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/197379/

>>

>

> I'd say to go with what the article said.

>

> However:

> I've run some experiements to see if it made any difference which drive the

> pagefile

> was on and could not see any noticible difference

Don't put it on an IDE drive that is in a slave relationship with a busy

disk or on a disk that is in a slave relationship to the system disk,

data can only flow to one disk at a time on the IDE controller. Also,

if you have a sufficient amount of RAM you may not notice significant

differences because there might no be much paging anyway. But it does

make make a big difference when there is a lot of paging, that is

something that folks with NT4 experience are well aware of, in the NT4

era RAM was expensive and it was often a scarce resource, paging could

often be a constant drag on performance and moving the pagefile to a

different disk on a different controller often led to very noticeable

performance improvements.

> I suggested you put the page file on the same drive as you OS

> because you seem to have very little free space on your 2nd drive...

>

> If you had more free space there, I would have told you to just leave it

> where it is, but simply increase the size

>

> At any rate, for best results you should see about adding soem RAM

Agreed, at today's prices (RDRAM aside) RAM is quite cheap and adding

more RAM should reduce paging and lead to a very noticeable increase in

performance.

John

October 27, 2008

Re: virtual memory

I continue to be amazed by the amount of knowledge willingly expressed in

forums such as these.

Please accept my apologies for the delay in my response to your helpful

comments. (I'm still slingin' mud in the Galveston area, so life is not yet

quite back to normal.)

Obviously, the overwhelming suggestion is to increase RAM. Stupid question,

but can this best be purchased online through storage (?) vendors, or do I

need to find a store specializing in computer sales/repairs?

The article referenced by John John appears to lean in the direction of

using a separate drive. Since my second drive (E:) was simply replaced with

my present, larger C: drive, does this make the E: drive a "slave," which

would argue for leaving the pagefile on the C: drive? (I do not use the E:

drive at all.)

In answer to DL's questions, the file system is NTFS; do not know whether I

have "onboard graphics."

Again, many thanks for the efforts expended to solve my problem.

Gordon Biggar

Houston, Texas

..

"Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

photos,

> etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system saying

> that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to increase

> same. My programs are not terminated, however.

>

> I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87% free

> space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

memory

> on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

>

> I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not be

> located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have another

> hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500 MB). I

> have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great waste

of

> system resources.

>

> Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something else

> creating the virtual memory warnings?

>

> Thanks in advance for all comments.

>

> Regards,

>

> Gordon Biggar

> Houston, Texas

>

October 27, 2008

Re: virtual memory

See inline:

Gordon Biggar wrote:

> I continue to be amazed by the amount of knowledge willingly expressed in

> forums such as these.

>

> Please accept my apologies for the delay in my response to your helpful

> comments. (I'm still slingin' mud in the Galveston area, so life is not yet

> quite back to normal.)

>

> Obviously, the overwhelming suggestion is to increase RAM. Stupid question,

> but can this best be purchased online through storage (?) vendors, or do I

> need to find a store specializing in computer sales/repairs?

You can shop online memory vendors, many have online tools available to

help you identify the proper type of memory for your computer, here are

examples of vendors with such tools:

http://www.4allmemory.com/

http://www.upgradememory.com/

http://www.powerleap.com/

If you want to know how much RAM is installed in your computer you can

usually see that figure displayed when the computer does its POST when

it boots, or you can go in the BIOS and find the information.

> The article referenced by John John appears to lean in the direction of

> using a separate drive. Since my second drive (E:) was simply replaced with

> my present, larger C: drive, does this make the E: drive a "slave," which

> would argue for leaving the pagefile on the C: drive? (I do not use the E:

> drive at all.)

Look in the Device Manager for your ATA/IDE controllers, you will see a

Primary and a Secondary controller, the drives will be in a Master/Slave

relationship if they are listed under the same controller. Or open the

computer case and look at the data cables going to the drive, if both

drives are on the same cable then they are in a Master/Slave relationship.

> In answer to DL's questions, the file system is NTFS; do not know whether I

> have "onboard graphics."

>

> Again, many thanks for the efforts expended to solve my problem.

>

> Gordon Biggar

> Houston, Texas

>

> .

> "Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

> news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>>I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

>

> photos,

>

>>etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system saying

>>that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to increase

>>same. My programs are not terminated, however.

>>

>>I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87% free

>>space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

>

> memory

>

>>on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

>>

>>I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not be

>>located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have another

>>hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500 MB). I

>>have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great waste

>

> of

>

>>system resources.

>>

>>Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something else

>>creating the virtual memory warnings?

>>

>>Thanks in advance for all comments.

>>

>>Regards,

>>

>>Gordon Biggar

>>Houston, Texas

>>

>

October 27, 2008

Re: virtual memory

The controllers will both be under the same heading, you have to look to

see what is on the actual controllers, are the hard drives both shown to

be attached to the same controller?

John

Gordon Biggar wrote:

> Thanks for the lead. "4all memory" even analyzes your computer for you;

> what could be simpler?

>

> Under Device Manager, both the Primary and Secondary IDE Channels are shown

> under the heading IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers, so it looks like I move the

> pagefile back to the C drive!

>

> Regardless, I am optimistic about the memory fix.

>

> My thanks, once again.

>

> Gordon Biggar

>

> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

> news:O7FAMaFOJHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>>See inline:

>>

>>Gordon Biggar wrote:

>>

>>>I continue to be amazed by the amount of knowledge willingly expressed

>

> in

>

>>>forums such as these.

>>>

>>>Please accept my apologies for the delay in my response to your helpful

>>>comments. (I'm still slingin' mud in the Galveston area, so life is not

>

> yet

>

>>>quite back to normal.)

>>>

>>>Obviously, the overwhelming suggestion is to increase RAM. Stupid

>

> question,

>

>>>but can this best be purchased online through storage (?) vendors, or do

>

> I

>

>>>need to find a store specializing in computer sales/repairs?

>>

>>You can shop online memory vendors, many have online tools available to

>>help you identify the proper type of memory for your computer, here are

>>examples of vendors with such tools:

>>

>>http://www.4allmemory.com/

>>http://www.upgradememory.com/

>>http://www.powerleap.com/

>>

>>If you want to know how much RAM is installed in your computer you can

>>usually see that figure displayed when the computer does its POST when

>>it boots, or you can go in the BIOS and find the information.

>>

>>>The article referenced by John John appears to lean in the direction of

>>>using a separate drive. Since my second drive (E:) was simply replaced

>

> with

>

>>>my present, larger C: drive, does this make the E: drive a "slave,"

>

> which

>

>>>would argue for leaving the pagefile on the C: drive? (I do not use the

>

> E:

>

>>>drive at all.)

>>

>>Look in the Device Manager for your ATA/IDE controllers, you will see a

>>Primary and a Secondary controller, the drives will be in a Master/Slave

>>relationship if they are listed under the same controller. Or open the

>>computer case and look at the data cables going to the drive, if both

>>drives are on the same cable then they are in a Master/Slave relationship.

>>

>>>In answer to DL's questions, the file system is NTFS; do not know

>

> whether I

>

>>>have "onboard graphics."

>>>

>>>Again, many thanks for the efforts expended to solve my problem.

>>>

>>>Gordon Biggar

>>>Houston, Texas

>>>

>>>.

>>>"Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

>>>news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>>I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

>>>

>>>photos,

>>>

>>>>etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system saying

>>>>that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to

>

> increase

>

>>>>same. My programs are not terminated, however.

>>>>

>>>>I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87% free

>>>>space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

>>>

>>>memory

>>>

>>>>on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

>>>>

>>>>I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not

>

> be

>

>>>>located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have another

>>>>hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500 MB).

>

> I

>

>>>>have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great

>

> waste

>

>>>of

>>>

>>>>system resources.

>>>>

>>>>Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something

>

> else

>

>>>>creating the virtual memory warnings?

>>>>

>>>>Thanks in advance for all comments.

>>>>

>>>>Regards,

>>>>

>>>>Gordon Biggar

>>>>Houston, Texas

>>>>

>>>

>

October 27, 2008

Re: virtual memory

Thanks for the lead. "4all memory" even analyzes your computer for you;

what could be simpler?

Under Device Manager, both the Primary and Secondary IDE Channels are shown

under the heading IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers, so it looks like I move the

pagefile back to the C drive!

Regardless, I am optimistic about the memory fix.

My thanks, once again.

Gordon Biggar

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

news:O7FAMaFOJHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> See inline:

>

> Gordon Biggar wrote:

>

> > I continue to be amazed by the amount of knowledge willingly expressed

in

> > forums such as these.

> >

> > Please accept my apologies for the delay in my response to your helpful

> > comments. (I'm still slingin' mud in the Galveston area, so life is not

yet

> > quite back to normal.)

> >

> > Obviously, the overwhelming suggestion is to increase RAM. Stupid

question,

> > but can this best be purchased online through storage (?) vendors, or do

I

> > need to find a store specializing in computer sales/repairs?

>

> You can shop online memory vendors, many have online tools available to

> help you identify the proper type of memory for your computer, here are

> examples of vendors with such tools:

>

> http://www.4allmemory.com/

> http://www.upgradememory.com/

> http://www.powerleap.com/

>

> If you want to know how much RAM is installed in your computer you can

> usually see that figure displayed when the computer does its POST when

> it boots, or you can go in the BIOS and find the information.

>

> > The article referenced by John John appears to lean in the direction of

> > using a separate drive. Since my second drive (E:) was simply replaced

with

> > my present, larger C: drive, does this make the E: drive a "slave,"

which

> > would argue for leaving the pagefile on the C: drive? (I do not use the

E:

> > drive at all.)

>

> Look in the Device Manager for your ATA/IDE controllers, you will see a

> Primary and a Secondary controller, the drives will be in a Master/Slave

> relationship if they are listed under the same controller. Or open the

> computer case and look at the data cables going to the drive, if both

> drives are on the same cable then they are in a Master/Slave relationship.

>

> > In answer to DL's questions, the file system is NTFS; do not know

whether I

> > have "onboard graphics."

> >

> > Again, many thanks for the efforts expended to solve my problem.

> >

> > Gordon Biggar

> > Houston, Texas

> >

> > .

> > "Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

> > news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >

> >>I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

> >

> > photos,

> >

> >>etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system saying

> >>that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to

increase

> >>same. My programs are not terminated, however.

> >>

> >>I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87% free

> >>space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

> >

> > memory

> >

> >>on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

> >>

> >>I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not

be

> >>located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have another

> >>hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500 MB).

I

> >>have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great

waste

> >

> > of

> >

> >>system resources.

> >>

> >>Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something

else

> >>creating the virtual memory warnings?

> >>

> >>Thanks in advance for all comments.

> >>

> >>Regards,

> >>

> >>Gordon Biggar

> >>Houston, Texas

> >>

> >

>

October 27, 2008

Re: virtual memory

This is almost as much fun as my Model "A" Ford restoration work - but, much

cleaner...

Both hard drives are attached to the same ribbon cable, which plugs into the

board at one location. Hence, my E drive must be considered a slave, so

it's back to the C drive we go with pagefile. N'est-ce pas?

Another dumb question: it appears that I have five (white) PCI(?) slots

(about 4 inches long), into three of which cards are plugged. There is a

shorter (1.5"), brown slot on the bottom (unused), and a longer (3.5"),

brown slot at the top. I am presuming that it is this upper slot into which

the memory (which I ordered today from 4all...) card will fit, although that

should be self-evident when I have the card in hand.

Again, my thanks!

Gordon Biggar

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

news:uvdhVaGOJHA.3636@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> The controllers will both be under the same heading, you have to look to

> see what is on the actual controllers, are the hard drives both shown to

> be attached to the same controller?

>

> John

>

> Gordon Biggar wrote:

> > Thanks for the lead. "4all memory" even analyzes your computer for you;

> > what could be simpler?

> >

> > Under Device Manager, both the Primary and Secondary IDE Channels are

shown

> > under the heading IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers, so it looks like I move the

> > pagefile back to the C drive!

> >

> > Regardless, I am optimistic about the memory fix.

> >

> > My thanks, once again.

> >

> > Gordon Biggar

> >

> > "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

> > news:O7FAMaFOJHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> >

> >>See inline:

> >>

> >>Gordon Biggar wrote:

> >>

> >>>I continue to be amazed by the amount of knowledge willingly expressed

> >

> > in

> >

> >>>forums such as these.

> >>>

> >>>Please accept my apologies for the delay in my response to your helpful

> >>>comments. (I'm still slingin' mud in the Galveston area, so life is

not

> >

> > yet

> >

> >>>quite back to normal.)

> >>>

> >>>Obviously, the overwhelming suggestion is to increase RAM. Stupid

> >

> > question,

> >

> >>>but can this best be purchased online through storage (?) vendors, or

do

> >

> > I

> >

> >>>need to find a store specializing in computer sales/repairs?

> >>

> >>You can shop online memory vendors, many have online tools available to

> >>help you identify the proper type of memory for your computer, here are

> >>examples of vendors with such tools:

> >>

> >>http://www.4allmemory.com/

> >>http://www.upgradememory.com/

> >>http://www.powerleap.com/

> >>

> >>If you want to know how much RAM is installed in your computer you can

> >>usually see that figure displayed when the computer does its POST when

> >>it boots, or you can go in the BIOS and find the information.

> >>

> >>>The article referenced by John John appears to lean in the direction of

> >>>using a separate drive. Since my second drive (E:) was simply replaced

> >

> > with

> >

> >>>my present, larger C: drive, does this make the E: drive a "slave,"

> >

> > which

> >

> >>>would argue for leaving the pagefile on the C: drive? (I do not use

the

> >

> > E:

> >

> >>>drive at all.)

> >>

> >>Look in the Device Manager for your ATA/IDE controllers, you will see a

> >>Primary and a Secondary controller, the drives will be in a Master/Slave

> >>relationship if they are listed under the same controller. Or open the

> >>computer case and look at the data cables going to the drive, if both

> >>drives are on the same cable then they are in a Master/Slave

relationship.

> >>

> >>>In answer to DL's questions, the file system is NTFS; do not know

> >

> > whether I

> >

> >>>have "onboard graphics."

> >>>

> >>>Again, many thanks for the efforts expended to solve my problem.

> >>>

> >>>Gordon Biggar

> >>>Houston, Texas

> >>>

> >>>.

> >>>"Gordon Biggar" <colonel_biggs@msn.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:uzdhP3YNJHA.2100@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >>>

> >>>>I write a lot of Word programs (Office 2000) in which I am inserting

> >>>

> >>>photos,

> >>>

> >>>>etc. Of late, I am receiving virtual memory warnings, the system

saying

> >>>>that I am low on virtual memory, and that it is going to have to

> >

> > increase

> >

> >>>>same. My programs are not terminated, however.

> >>>>

> >>>>I have a 200 gig hard drive (C:) with 260 MB of RAM. There is 87%

free

> >>>>space, and my Word files are only a few meg, or so, in size. Virtual

> >>>

> >>>memory

> >>>

> >>>>on my C drive is set for 400-450 MB.

> >>>>

> >>>>I read in the HELP section that the pagefile.sys should preferably not

> >

> > be

> >

> >>>>located on the same drive with other system files. Since I have

another

> >>>>hard drive (E: 4 gig free), I set up a file on that drive (450-500

MB).

> >

> > I

> >

> >>>>have not had the problem since, but somehow this seems like a great

> >

> > waste

> >

> >>>of

> >>>

> >>>>system resources.

> >>>>

> >>>>Should the pagefile on the C drive be set to zero? Or, is something

> >

> > else

> >

> >>>>creating the virtual memory warnings?

> >>>>

> >>>>Thanks in advance for all comments.

> >>>>

> >>>>Regards,

> >>>>

> >>>>Gordon Biggar

> >>>>Houston, Texas

> >>>>

> >>>

> >

>

October 27, 2008

Re: virtual memory

See Inline:

Gordon Biggar wrote:

> This is almost as much fun as my Model "A" Ford restoration work - but, much

> cleaner...

>

> Both hard drives are attached to the same ribbon cable, which plugs into the

> board at one location. Hence, my E drive must be considered a slave, so

> it's back to the C drive we go with pagefile. N'est-ce pas?

Yes, that confirms that your IDE drives are both plugged in to the same

controller so they are in a Master/Slave relationship. As I mentioned

earlier data can only flow to one drive at a time on the same controller

so there isn't all that much to gain from having the pagefile on the

second disk, if the operating system is busy reading or writing to the

system disk and if it must page to load large files or open a big

program then one disk will have to wait while the other does its things.

If the second drive were on the second IDE controller then the

operating system would be able to read and write to both drives at the

same time.

> Another dumb question: it appears that I have five (white) PCI(?) slots

> (about 4 inches long), into three of which cards are plugged. There is a

> shorter (1.5"), brown slot on the bottom (unused), and a longer (3.5"),

> brown slot at the top. I am presuming that it is this upper slot into which

> the memory (which I ordered today from 4all...) card will fit, although that

> should be self-evident when I have the card in hand.

The memory sticks only go in one way and they will only fit into memory

slots on the board, it is impossible to fit them in the wrong slots or

to fit them backwards. The memory slots are usually in banks of two,

most motherboards have four memory slots. Just don't force things when

you install them, and be careful about static electricity, unplug the

power cord before you start, then depress the power button to discharge

any residual power and touch the metal frame of the computer to

discharge any static electricity before you handle the RAM sticks.

> Again, my thanks!

You're welcome, good luck with your project! Let us know if you notice

any improvement in performance after you install the new RAM.

John

October 27, 2008

Re: virtual memory

You could put the second drive with the CD drive on the second

controller, pay attention to the Master/Slave/Cable Select jumper

settings on the drives. The 39/40 pins doesn't or shouldn't matter, for

quite a while now IDE devices have only 39 pins. For better performance

you should use 80 wire cables. One problem sometimes encountered is

that the cable might be too short to reach from the CD to the hard drive.

John

Gordon Biggar wrote:

> I like tearing things apart....I might even become dangerous....

>

> It turns out that both hard drives are in fact plugged in to the Primary IDE

> slot (using 40-pin connectors). The Secondary IDE slot is used by a CD

> drive, and there is an unused 39-pin connector attached. Would it make

> sense to attach the E drive to this pin instead (assuming that a 39-pin

> connector will work on a hard drive), enabling me to utilize the E drive for

> the pagefile?

>

> I located the memory slots. I remember from a previous life plugging in

> extra storage to one of these (on a Windows 95 machine, perhaps).

>

> Will keep y'all posted on performance. Memory won't arrive for a week, says

> 4all.

>

> Gordon

>

> "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

> news:emAhsPIOJHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

>>See Inline:

>>

>>Gordon Biggar wrote:

>>

>>>This is almost as much fun as my Model "A" Ford restoration work - but,

>

> much

>

>>>cleaner...

>>>

>>>Both hard drives are attached to the same ribbon cable, which plugs into

>

> the

>

>>>board at one location. Hence, my E drive must be considered a slave, so

>>>it's back to the C drive we go with pagefile. N'est-ce pas?

>>

>>Yes, that confirms that your IDE drives are both plugged in to the same

>>controller so they are in a Master/Slave relationship. As I mentioned

>>earlier data can only flow to one drive at a time on the same controller

>>so there isn't all that much to gain from having the pagefile on the

>>second disk, if the operating system is busy reading or writing to the

>>system disk and if it must page to load large files or open a big

>>program then one disk will have to wait while the other does its things.

>> If the second drive were on the second IDE controller then the

>>operating system would be able to read and write to both drives at the

>>same time.

>>

>>>Another dumb question: it appears that I have five (white) PCI(?) slots

>>>(about 4 inches long), into three of which cards are plugged. There is

>

> a

>

>>>shorter (1.5"), brown slot on the bottom (unused), and a longer (3.5"),

>>>brown slot at the top. I am presuming that it is this upper slot into

>

> which

>

>>>the memory (which I ordered today from 4all...) card will fit, although

>

> that

>

>>>should be self-evident when I have the card in hand.

>>

>>The memory sticks only go in one way and they will only fit into memory

>>slots on the board, it is impossible to fit them in the wrong slots or

>>to fit them backwards. The memory slots are usually in banks of two,

>>most motherboards have four memory slots. Just don't force things when

>>you install them, and be careful about static electricity, unplug the

>>power cord before you start, then depress the power button to discharge

>>any residual power and touch the metal frame of the computer to

>>discharge any static electricity before you handle the RAM sticks.

>>

>>>Again, my thanks!

>>

>>You're welcome, good luck with your project! Let us know if you notice

>>any improvement in performance after you install the new RAM.

>>

>>John

>

October 28, 2008

Re: virtual memory

John, I thought this was usually a bad idea since the slower CD-Rom disk

reads would potentially hog the data highway.

--

Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.

Microsoft Certified Professional

Microsoft MVP [Windows]

http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"John John (MVP)" wrote:

> You could put the second drive with the CD drive on the second controller,

> pay attention to the Master/Slave/Cable Select jumper settings on the

> drives. The 39/40 pins doesn't or shouldn't matter, for quite a while now

> IDE devices have only 39 pins. For better performance you should use 80

> wire cables. One problem sometimes encountered is that the cable might be

> too short to reach from the CD to the hard drive.

>

> John

October 28, 2008

Re: virtual memory

I like tearing things apart....I might even become dangerous....

It turns out that both hard drives are in fact plugged in to the Primary IDE

slot (using 40-pin connectors). The Secondary IDE slot is used by a CD

drive, and there is an unused 39-pin connector attached. Would it make

sense to attach the E drive to this pin instead (assuming that a 39-pin

connector will work on a hard drive), enabling me to utilize the E drive for

the pagefile?

I located the memory slots. I remember from a previous life plugging in

extra storage to one of these (on a Windows 95 machine, perhaps).

Will keep y'all posted on performance. Memory won't arrive for a week, says

4all.

Gordon

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

news:emAhsPIOJHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> See Inline:

>

> Gordon Biggar wrote:

>

> > This is almost as much fun as my Model "A" Ford restoration work - but,

much

> > cleaner...

> >

> > Both hard drives are attached to the same ribbon cable, which plugs into

the

> > board at one location. Hence, my E drive must be considered a slave, so

> > it's back to the C drive we go with pagefile. N'est-ce pas?

>

> Yes, that confirms that your IDE drives are both plugged in to the same

> controller so they are in a Master/Slave relationship. As I mentioned

> earlier data can only flow to one drive at a time on the same controller

> so there isn't all that much to gain from having the pagefile on the

> second disk, if the operating system is busy reading or writing to the

> system disk and if it must page to load large files or open a big

> program then one disk will have to wait while the other does its things.

> If the second drive were on the second IDE controller then the

> operating system would be able to read and write to both drives at the

> same time.

>

> > Another dumb question: it appears that I have five (white) PCI(?) slots

> > (about 4 inches long), into three of which cards are plugged. There is

a

> > shorter (1.5"), brown slot on the bottom (unused), and a longer (3.5"),

> > brown slot at the top. I am presuming that it is this upper slot into

which

> > the memory (which I ordered today from 4all...) card will fit, although

that

> > should be self-evident when I have the card in hand.

>

> The memory sticks only go in one way and they will only fit into memory

> slots on the board, it is impossible to fit them in the wrong slots or

> to fit them backwards. The memory slots are usually in banks of two,

> most motherboards have four memory slots. Just don't force things when

> you install them, and be careful about static electricity, unplug the

> power cord before you start, then depress the power button to discharge

> any residual power and touch the metal frame of the computer to

> discharge any static electricity before you handle the RAM sticks.

>

> > Again, my thanks!

>

> You're welcome, good luck with your project! Let us know if you notice

> any improvement in performance after you install the new RAM.

>

> John

October 28, 2008

Re: virtual memory

Apparently not any more, I had a discussion about this with Ron Martell

sometime ago and I recall him saying that this problem is not a concern

on todays computers. I can't find the discussion in question but I

found this where he gives the same information to another poster:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support/browse_thread/thread/571cbd6fa7dc5ec0/cc4a52d9cd37b5e3?lnk=st&q=cd-rom+ide+slave#cc4a52d9cd37b5e3

I can't be 100% sure on it, I took Ron's word on it and I've never

looked into it any further.

John

Dave Patrick wrote:

> John, I thought this was usually a bad idea since the slower CD-Rom disk

> reads would potentially hog the data highway.

>

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