OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

[Guest Bob AZ]

I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN

Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I

will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print

them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about

which processors.

 

Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is

anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the

Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.

 

Does the board really need an extended ATX case.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

Bob AZ

[Guest philo]

Re: OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

 

 

"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message

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> I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN

> Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I

> will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print

> them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about

> which processors.

>

> Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is

> anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the

> Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.

>

> Does the board really need an extended ATX case.

>

> Thanks for any assistance.

> Bob AZ

 

 

I took a look a brief look at the specs and though I'm sure it will be a

great setup...

It may be a more expensive system than you need. That's a server class two

cpu board.

 

You do not need two cpu's...because a *dual core* CPU will be sufficient to

run Photoshop

extremely well.

 

The board you are looking at probably has more features/functions than you

need .

 

 

For the amount of money you are willing to spend...

maybe the question you should be asking is:

 

Would I be better off with a quad core CPU?

 

Maybe someone here is lucky enough to run Photoshop on a quad core CPU could

comment further.

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

 

if it says it needs extended ATX, it needs it. Certainly most dual CPU

boards do.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message

news:96048f4e-6145-4739-993d-52ee7c80d0ac@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN

> Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I

> will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print

> them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about

> which processors.

>

> Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is

> anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the

> Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.

>

> Does the board really need an extended ATX case.

>

> Thanks for any assistance.

> Bob AZ

[Guest Tom Lake]

Re: OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

 

 

 

"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message

news:96048f4e-6145-4739-993d-52ee7c80d0ac@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

> I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN

> Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I

> will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print

> them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about

> which processors.

>

> Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is

> anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the

> Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.

>

> Does the board really need an extended ATX case.

>

> Thanks for any assistance.

> Bob AZ

 

Look on your ISP's News Server (or any one other than the Microsoft News

Server)

There's a group called intel.motherboards which should be able to help you.

 

Tom Lake

[Guest hobbitville]

Re: OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

 

On 10/26/2008 4:04 PM, Bob AZ wrote:

> I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN

> Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I

> will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print

> them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about

> which processors.

>

> Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is

> anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the

> Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.

>

> Does the board really need an extended ATX case.

>

> Thanks for any assistance.

> Bob AZ

 

Apple uses basically the same for their Mac Pro.

Xeon Penryn 2.8GHz 4 or 8-core. While CS3 doesn't benefit from 8-cores,

"Snow Leopard" 10.6 and CS5 for Mac will, and it does help

to have the 4-cores and memory to burn if you work on large files.

 

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/s5000xvn/

 

Skulltrail Xeon Penryn or Nehalem based systems.

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15647

 

CS4 64-bit.

http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/adobe-creative-suite-4-first-look-20080923/

 

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37643/128/

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15571

[Guest roman modic]

Re: OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

 

Hello!

 

"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message

news:96048f4e-6145-4739-993d-52ee7c80d0ac@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN

> Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I

> will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print

> them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about

> which processors.

>

> Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is

 

Ohoho, you are planning to build an eight-core beast ... Here is

some information (they use two X5365 )

 

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/527/2/

 

CPU mentioned above is "Clovertown" - fortunately newer "Harpertown"

is supported (only FSB 1333 MHz, not 1600!):

 

http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/sb/CS-022346.htm

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=453491

That's "fun" ... Intel's 5000x chipset, which equips the "old" Mac Pros DOES

support

Happertown CPUs (at least the ones with bus speed <= 1333 MHz) ...

For instance, if you look at intel's web site you'll see that they recently

provided an

update for their S5000XVN card, which uses similar hardware than the rev1

Mac Pro

.... and it supports Happertown CPUs

> anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the

> Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.

 

Here is a test of HP xw8600 workstation which compares

Harpertown vs. Clovertown, Vista vs. XP and Adobe Effects ...

http://www.studiodaily.com/main/technology/pvr/9139.html

> Does the board really need an extended ATX case.

 

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/397828.aspx

Moral of the story for anyone who is considering this board: Do not buy

it unless you plan on buying Intel's server/workstation chassis as well.

It seems that those have some connectors for thermal sensors that regulate

the fan speeds. Why would a company sell a motherboard separately if it

was not going to work with other chassis...is beyond me.

 

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX16321(ME).aspx

Specifically designed for and validated with Intel® Workstation Board

S5000XVN

 

(Here is lovely Powerpoint presentation:

http://www.ezcom.co.kr/PDS/UndrArchSC5299.ppt :)

 

And finally:

http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.3c05dbcc/3

 

HTH, Roman

 

P.S. How much RAM do you plan to install?

[Guest Bob AZ]

Re: OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

 

> HTH, Roman

>

> P.S. How much RAM do you plan to install?

 

Roman

 

Initially I plan to install 8GB using 1 GB sticks.

 

I did notice an add in todays paper for some very good pricing for 4GB

sticks but I will stay with 1GB sticks. Were 2 and 4GB sticks readilly

available locally I would consider larger capacity sticks but for now

I will do with 1GBs.

 

Thanks to you and all the others for the replies. I will print out

everything and do more research and shopping.

 

Bob AZ

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

 

If you run a pair of quad core processors with 8 GB of RAM in 8 sticks,

you're going to set yourself up for bad performance. You're basically

assigning each processor only 1 GB, which won't give it a whole lot of

working room.

 

For a dual quad core system, I wouldn't run less than 16 GB to get full

utilization.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message

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>

>> HTH, Roman

>>

>> P.S. How much RAM do you plan to install?

>

> Roman

>

> Initially I plan to install 8GB using 1 GB sticks.

>

> I did notice an add in todays paper for some very good pricing for 4GB

> sticks but I will stay with 1GB sticks. Were 2 and 4GB sticks readilly

> available locally I would consider larger capacity sticks but for now

> I will do with 1GBs.

>

> Thanks to you and all the others for the replies. I will print out

> everything and do more research and shopping.

>

> Bob AZ

>

[Guest roman modic]

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Hello!

 

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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>

> You do not need two cpu's...because a *dual core* CPU will be sufficient

> to

> run Photoshop

> extremely well.

>

 

But what if you work with 65 megapixel files? :)

 

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-announced.shtml

Also, 360MB 16 bit files are non-trivial to work with, to be sure.

 

Regards, Roman

[Guest Bob AZ]

Re: OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

 

> If you run a pair of quad core processors with 8 GB of RAM in 8 sticks,

> you're going to set yourself up for bad performance. You're basically

> assigning each processor only 1 GB, which won't give it a whole lot of

> working room.

>

> For a dual quad core system, I wouldn't run less than 16 GB to get full

> utilization.

>

 

Charlie

 

I hade not made any firm plans for the processor(s) except that I felt

that the Quad Processors were overkill. Also that by limiting the

processors to Dual Processors I would not be pushing the capacity of

the board. (I did not think of memory size in relation to the amount

of memory per processor.)

 

I do have to make a decision as to which dual core processors. Intel

is not very defined about this and I need to be more informed. This

will take some time.

 

The response to my query has been much appreciated and I have read

most of the rererences. I am in the midst of my busy season with

photography and photo printing so I will not have a lot of time to get

a new system installed and still keep up with my photography.

 

So unless I get more response from Intel I will wait until the CES

show in January to talk to them before making my purchase.

 

Take care

Bob AZ

[Guest hobbitville]

Re: OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

 

On 10/29/2008 12:31 PM, roman modic wrote:

> Hello!

>

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> news:u0VO0R7NJHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

>> You do not need two cpu's...because a *dual core* CPU will be

>> sufficient to

>> run Photoshop

>> extremely well.

>>

>

> But what if you work with 65 megapixel files? :)

>

> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-announced.shtml

>

> Also, 360MB 16 bit files are non-trivial to work with, to be sure.

>

>

> Regards, Roman

>

 

With Nehalem so close, I would forget earlier chips and motherboards.

 

Nehalem bag of tricks -

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14950

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14361

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/05/30/nehalem-and-x58-show-up-in-taipei/1

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/what-you-need-to-know-about-nehalem.ars

 

A look at Nehalem technical details

http://realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT040208182719

 

Memory bandwidth 2008 Penryn Mac Pro made a huge improvement over

Clovertown and Woodcrest

http://www.barefeats.com/harper3.html

 

Xeon requires FBDIMM memory and it will be interesting to see how well

DDR3 and built-in memory controller improves things.

 

Photoshop CS3 + Harpertown on Mac Pro 2008 (early Leopard OS X 10.5)

http://www.barefeats.com/harper.html

 

Older Apple Mac Pro 2007's 4-core vs 8-core, Photoshop performance

http://www.barefeats.com/octopro3.html

 

I have seen people complain about low memory bandwidth and thrashing,

but never seen any indication there even is any relation to number of

cores to amount of memory, or ratio of one to the other, maybe its an

issue with systems other than Mac OS X 10.4 or .5.

 

If your files get to 1GB and larger, then definitely more RAM.

 

Of course CS4 is now 64-bit app (will take a major rewrite so Mac won't

get 64-bit version until it is ported to Cocoa and Snow Leopard). And it

seems CS4 isn't all its cracked up to be...

 

.... opening and saving a file with Photoshop CS4 remain a

single-threaded task. ... when enabling Open GL drawing in CS4, supposed

to speed rendering, it was actually slowing it down!

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2008-10-30/#9097

http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/2008-10-blog.html#_20081025AdobeCS4OpenGL

[Guest philo]

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"roman modic" <modicr@astral-it.com> wrote in message

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> Hello!

>

> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> news:u0VO0R7NJHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> >

> > You do not need two cpu's...because a *dual core* CPU will be

sufficient

> > to

> > run Photoshop

> > extremely well.

> >

>

> But what if you work with 65 megapixel files? :)

>

> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-announced.shtml

>

> Also, 360MB 16 bit files are non-trivial to work with, to be sure.

>

>

> Regards, Roman

>

 

that's nothing

 

I built a machine for a friend of mine, who is afraid to collapse his layers

as he

always thinks he may want to change some minor detail.

he creates HUGE photo-montages that are up in the 1 gigabyte range.

 

The single core CPU does the job, but yes, it is very slow to say the least.

 

Though a dual core is sufficient...

I think a single quad core cpu would be enough.

 

However I'd really want to ask around to see if

two, quad core cpu's would really be worth it...

though I do say that Photoshop is definitely CPU intensive...

[Guest Dominic Payer]

Re: OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

 

If you are working with Photoshop files of this size you should be thinking

of fast DDR3 memory as well as quad core, otherwise the cores will be

waiting for data when the image is regenerated.

 

 

 

PS CS4 uses the graphics card for some operations, so you should also

consider graphics cards with 768MB-1GB.

 

 

 

See

 

 

 

64-bit Operating System benefits and limitations in Photoshop CS4 (Windows)

 

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb404901&sliceId=2

 

 

 

GPU and OpenGL Features and Limitations in Photoshop CS4

 

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb404898

 

 

 

GPU accelerated features in Photoshop CS4 and Bridge CS4

 

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb405745&sliceId=2

 

 

 

 

 

 

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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>

> "roman modic" <modicr@astral-it.com> wrote in message

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>> Hello!

>>

>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

>> news:u0VO0R7NJHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> >

>> > You do not need two cpu's...because a *dual core* CPU will be

> sufficient

>> > to

>> > run Photoshop

>> > extremely well.

>> >

>>

>> But what if you work with 65 megapixel files? :)

>>

>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-announced.shtml

>>

>> Also, 360MB 16 bit files are non-trivial to work with, to be sure.

>>

>>

>> Regards, Roman

>>

>

> that's nothing

>

> I built a machine for a friend of mine, who is afraid to collapse his

> layers

> as he

> always thinks he may want to change some minor detail.

> he creates HUGE photo-montages that are up in the 1 gigabyte range.

>

> The single core CPU does the job, but yes, it is very slow to say the

> least.

>

> Though a dual core is sufficient...

> I think a single quad core cpu would be enough.

>

> However I'd really want to ask around to see if

> two, quad core cpu's would really be worth it...

> though I do say that Photoshop is definitely CPU intensive...

>

>

>