installing w2k alongside Vista

[Guest aa]

I have a brand new HP computer with Windows Vista pre-installed.

I need also w2k on the same mashine.

I made a peimary partition using Vista built in Desk Manager. Now I have

booted from w2k cd.

Now I remembered from my experience with w2k-XP installations on one

computer that they both use NTDETECT and NTLOADER files and is w2k is

installed after XP, the XP would not boot because NTDETECT and NTLOADER

installed by w2k are not compatible with XP.

Questions:

1. Is it OK to have both Vista and w2k onthe same mashine?

2. Does Vista use NTDETECT and NTLOADER ?

If it does, where do they reside so that I could back them up?

I failed to find them, but this is probably because the system files are

hidden. If this is the case, how in Vista shall I set them visible?

In w2k it wes Windows Explorer -->Tools-->Folder Options

How do I do it in Vista?

[Guest John John]

Re: installing w2k alongside Vista

 

aa wrote:

> I have a brand new HP computer with Windows Vista pre-installed.

> I need also w2k on the same mashine.

> I made a peimary partition using Vista built in Desk Manager. Now I have

> booted from w2k cd.

> Now I remembered from my experience with w2k-XP installations on one

> computer that they both use NTDETECT and NTLOADER files and is w2k is

> installed after XP, the XP would not boot because NTDETECT and NTLOADER

> installed by w2k are not compatible with XP.

> Questions:

> 1. Is it OK to have both Vista and w2k onthe same mashine?

 

Yes, just install them to different partitions.

 

> 2. Does Vista use NTDETECT and NTLOADER ?

 

No.

 

> If it does, where do they reside so that I could back them up?

> I failed to find them, but this is probably because the system files are

> hidden. If this is the case, how in Vista shall I set them visible?

> In w2k it wes Windows Explorer -->Tools-->Folder Options

> How do I do it in Vista?

 

After you install Windows 2000 you will have to boot with your Vista DVD

and restore the Vista MBR. If Windows 2000 is cantankerous and

difficult to install with the Vista MBR boot to Vista and return the

boot manager to ntldr, install Windows 2000 then return the boot code to

Vista. Once Vista has regained control of the boot process you will

have to add the Windows 2000 entry to the BCD Store. It is recommended

that you backup the Vista BCD store before you install Windows 2000.

 

Windows Vista no longer starts after you install an earlier version of

the Windows operating system in a dual-boot configuration

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919529

 

Boot Configuration Data Editor Frequently Asked Questions

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/aa905126.aspx

 

Instead of using BCDEdit you can use this friendlier tool:

VistaBootPRO

http://www.vistabootpro.org/

 

John

[Guest Bruce Chambers]

Re: installing w2k alongside Vista

 

aa wrote:

> I have a brand new HP computer with Windows Vista pre-installed.

> I need also w2k on the same mashine.

> I made a peimary partition using Vista built in Desk Manager. Now I have

> booted from w2k cd.

> Now I remembered from my experience with w2k-XP installations on one

> computer that they both use NTDETECT and NTLOADER files and is w2k is

> installed after XP, the XP would not boot because NTDETECT and NTLOADER

> installed by w2k are not compatible with XP.

> Questions:

> 1. Is it OK to have both Vista and w2k onthe same mashine?

 

If installed properly, onto separate partitions, yes.

> 2. Does Vista use NTDETECT and NTLOADER ?

 

No.

> If it does, where do they reside so that I could back them up?

> I failed to find them, but this is probably because the system files are

> hidden. If this is the case, how in Vista shall I set them visible?

> In w2k it wes Windows Explorer -->Tools-->Folder Options

> How do I do it in Vista?

>

>

 

They don't exist, so you can't. You need to either install Win2K

before Vista, use a third party boot manager, or install some sort of

Virtual Machine application and install Win2K onto a virtual; computer.

 

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[Guest Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Re: installing w2k alongside Vista

 

Microsoft Virtual PC 2007

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"aa" wrote:

 

I have a brand new HP computer with Windows Vista pre-installed.

I need also w2k on the same mashine.

I made a peimary partition using Vista built in Desk Manager. Now I have

booted from w2k cd.

Now I remembered from my experience with w2k-XP installations on one

computer that they both use NTDETECT and NTLOADER files and is w2k is

installed after XP, the XP would not boot because NTDETECT and NTLOADER

installed by w2k are not compatible with XP.

Questions:

1. Is it OK to have both Vista and w2k onthe same mashine?

2. Does Vista use NTDETECT and NTLOADER ?

If it does, where do they reside so that I could back them up?

I failed to find them, but this is probably because the system files are

hidden. If this is the case, how in Vista shall I set them visible?

In w2k it wes Windows Explorer -->Tools-->Folder Options

How do I do it in Vista?

[Guest sirfartalot]

RE: installing w2k alongside Vista

 

I did something similar installing XP after Vista. First of all it stopped

Vista loading because the BIOS was reading XP's bootloader. This was very

easily solved by booting from my Vista DVD and doing a startup repair (true

you wouldn't have to do this if you installed XP first but it's no big deal

and you've already got vista installed).

 

I then installed Vista Boot Pro (http://www.vistabootpro.org/) which has to

be the number one 'should be part of the OS' utility for Vista. It makes

setting up a dual/multi boot system child's play

 

"aa" wrote:

> I have a brand new HP computer with Windows Vista pre-installed.

> I need also w2k on the same mashine.

> I made a peimary partition using Vista built in Desk Manager. Now I have

> booted from w2k cd.

> Now I remembered from my experience with w2k-XP installations on one

> computer that they both use NTDETECT and NTLOADER files and is w2k is

> installed after XP, the XP would not boot because NTDETECT and NTLOADER

> installed by w2k are not compatible with XP.

> Questions:

> 1. Is it OK to have both Vista and w2k onthe same mashine?

> 2. Does Vista use NTDETECT and NTLOADER ?

> If it does, where do they reside so that I could back them up?

> I failed to find them, but this is probably because the system files are

> hidden. If this is the case, how in Vista shall I set them visible?

> In w2k it wes Windows Explorer -->Tools-->Folder Options

> How do I do it in Vista?

>

>

>

[Guest aa]

Re: installing w2k alongside Vista

 

 

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

news:e5MigqkwHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

1. > After you install Windows 2000 you will have to boot with your Vista

DVD

> and restore the Vista MBR.

Thanks. I understand I do it by running Drive:\boot\Bootsect.exe /NT60 All

 

2. If Windows 2000 is cantankerous and difficult to install with the Vista

MBR

 

What do you mean by "Windows 2000 difficult to install with the Vista

MBR?"? How these difficulties are going to pronounce themselves?

 

3. boot to Vista and return the boot manager to ntldr

How do I return the boot manager to ntldr?

 

4. install Windows 2000 then return the boot code to Vista.

Do do I do that? By running Drive:\boot\Bootsect.exe /NT60 All ?

[Guest John John]

Re: installing w2k alongside Vista

 

aa wrote:

>

> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message

> news:e5MigqkwHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> 1. > After you install Windows 2000 you will have to boot with your

> Vista DVD

>

>> and restore the Vista MBR.

>

> Thanks. I understand I do it by running Drive:\boot\Bootsect.exe /NT60 All

>

> 2. If Windows 2000 is cantankerous and difficult to install with the

> Vista MBR

>

> What do you mean by "Windows 2000 difficult to install with the Vista

> MBR?"? How these difficulties are going to pronounce themselves?

 

You would have difficulty replacing the Vista boot code, the Windows

installation may not want to install or at the first reboot after the

setup text mode portion or after the complete installation it would not

want to boot. Most likely you wont have problems with this but if you

do exprience difficulties installing or booting Windows 2000 you may

want to remove the Vista Boot Code to make sure it isn't the culprit.

 

> 3. boot to Vista and return the boot manager to ntldr

> How do I return the boot manager to ntldr?

 

From the booted Vista installation open a Commad Prompt with elevated

Administrator privileges (Run as administrator) and form the C:\boot

folder issue:

 

bootsect.exe /nt52 ALL /force

 

If it doesn't work from the boot folder use the Vista DVD and at the

Command Prompt issue:

 

x:\boot\bootsect.exe /nt52 ALL /force

 

where x is the DVD drive letter.

 

 

> 4. install Windows 2000 then return the boot code to Vista.

> Do do I do that? By running Drive:\boot\Bootsect.exe /NT60 All ?

 

Yes, that will replace the ntldr boot code & manager with the Vista boot

manager.

 

John