Guest SoaringEmu Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 I've tried the 64-bit version before when Vista was in its beta stages and i'm wondering if it's improved any in compatability, performance, and whatnot. Are there any users here that can comment on their experiences with x64?
Guest roman modic Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? Hello! "SoaringEmu" <SoaringEmu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:3672EC4D-0C16-419B-8C42-4822D3EBCC4C@microsoft.com... > I've tried the 64-bit version before when Vista was in its beta stages and > i'm wondering if it's improved any in compatability, performance, and whatnot. > > Are there any users here that can comment on their experiences with x64? http://www.apcmag.com/6506/tales_of_vista Why would I voluntarily enter the painful world of 64-bit Windows on the desktop? Because 32-bit versions of Windows can't address more than 3GB of RAM at best, meaning that anyone who wants to take advantage of the cheap RAM prices will soon be forced to start using 64-bit Windows, with all its foibles. .. . . I'm happy to say that everything went well in the end, although I did encounter a few glitches. As I've now migrated all my systems to Vista, I thought I'd jot down a few things relating to some of the problems I've encountered so far. BTW: http://blog.getpaint.net/2007/06/30/iphone-64-bit-nope/ I'm using the x64 version of Windows Vista Ultimate. A small amount of digging online highlights the fact that the iPhone doesn't work on 64-bit Windows. Regards, Roman
Guest Tinica Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? SoaringEmu wrote: > I've tried the 64-bit version before when Vista was in its beta stages and > i'm wondering if it's improved any in compatability, performance, and whatnot. > > Are there any users here that can comment on their experiences with x64? The answer to your question "Is x64 Worth It? No! No! N0!
Guest XS11E Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? SoaringEmu <SoaringEmu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > I've tried the 64-bit version before when Vista was in its beta > stages and i'm wondering if it's improved any in compatability, > performance, and whatnot. > > Are there any users here that can comment on their experiences > with x64? I'm using Vista Ultimate 64 in a dual boot setup with Windows XP. I've had to solve a few compatibility issues with hardware, I've been unable to solve a few compatibility issues with software and have found workarounds or other software to do the job. Is it worth it? Maybe. Nothing really works any better, speed is about the same but the big advantage to me is I'm learning the OS and getting software and hardware ready for a time when 64 bit OSs will be the norm and the day (far off I know) when 32 bit software will no longer be available. BTW, Emus don't soar unless thrown off a cliff, do they? -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
Guest John Barnes Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? Maybe, maybe, maybe. "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message news:46ad098e$0$3187$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > NO! NO! NO!
Guest Konan Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? John Barnes wrote: > Maybe, maybe, maybe. > > "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message > news:46ad098e$0$3187$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> NO! NO! NO! > I have just removed XP64 with its partition for the third (hopefully) the last time due to its inability to run several 32 bit photo editing software. So I'd say: "NoNoNo!
Guest Jan Wielemaker Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? On 2007-07-30, Konan <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote: > John Barnes wrote: >> Maybe, maybe, maybe. >> >> "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message >> news:46ad098e$0$3187$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> NO! NO! NO! >> > > I have just removed XP64 with its partition for the third (hopefully) > the last time due to its inability to run several 32 bit photo editing > software. So I'd say: "NoNoNo! Some application need more than 3GB address space and some todays PCs have more than 3.5GB main memory. Than you need a 64-bit OS. There are some applications that benefit from the more modern X64 instruction set. If none of these applies, all you get is less tested and less mainstream software, and therefore more trouble. I'd estimate 99% of todays users are better of running a 32-bit OS. But .... 64 > 32 can't be denied :-) .... (running 64-bit Linux and both XP32 and XP64 in a virtual machines) Cheers --- Jan
Guest John Barnes Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? If I were running intensive photo editing (not play photo editing), I would buy one of the programs that run native 64-bit and are Vista64 compatible. At this point, XP64 is probably a waste of time IF you have programs or hardware that is incompatible. It will probably never be specifically targeted either for drivers or program compatibility. "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message news:46ade9b3$0$20589$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > John Barnes wrote: >> Maybe, maybe, maybe. >> >> "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message >> news:46ad098e$0$3187$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> NO! NO! NO! >> > > I have just removed XP64 with its partition for the third (hopefully) > the last time due to its inability to run several 32 bit photo editing > software. So I'd say: "NoNoNo!
Guest John Barnes Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? I would agree that for more than 90% of Windows users, 32-bit is a better choice. For those who need 64-bit or just want to be ready for the future of computing, Vista64 is the best choice. "Jan Wielemaker" <jan@nospam.ct.xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:46adef09$0$241$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl... > On 2007-07-30, Konan <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote: >> John Barnes wrote: >>> Maybe, maybe, maybe. >>> >>> "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message >>> news:46ad098e$0$3187$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>> NO! NO! NO! >>> >> >> I have just removed XP64 with its partition for the third (hopefully) >> the last time due to its inability to run several 32 bit photo editing >> software. So I'd say: "NoNoNo! > > Some application need more than 3GB address space and some todays PCs > have more than 3.5GB main memory. Than you need a 64-bit OS. There > are some applications that benefit from the more modern X64 > instruction set. If none of these applies, all you get is less tested > and less mainstream software, and therefore more trouble. I'd estimate > 99% of todays users are better of running a 32-bit OS. But .... > 64 > 32 can't be denied :-) > > ... (running 64-bit Linux and both XP32 and XP64 in a virtual machines) > > Cheers --- Jan
Guest John Barnes Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? Depending on when you used the beta, there are many more drivers available, and more than ever were available for XP64. Vista32 and Vista64 both have many programs which are incompatible, with Vista64 having a few more, especially any free programs that have drivers involved as they aren't anxious to spend the money needed to have their drivers signed. "SoaringEmu" <SoaringEmu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:3672EC4D-0C16-419B-8C42-4822D3EBCC4C@microsoft.com... > I've tried the 64-bit version before when Vista was in its beta stages and > i'm wondering if it's improved any in compatability, performance, and > whatnot. > > Are there any users here that can comment on their experiences with x64?
Guest Graystar Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? I tend to disagree with that assessment. I've been using XP pro x64 on an Athlon 64 3K+ 1.8GHz since Win x64 came out and it's been extremely stable. It's ATI 9600 drivers that keep changing and they are not bloody stable. Their latest drivers were not fully tested. Common programs like Quicktime, e-Frontier Poser, DAZ Bryce & DAZ|Studio should have no problems... but they do. They have a VERY selective failure using the OpenGL driver. It fails to render shaded previews in their modeling windows. Rather hard to setup things that way. Fortunately Poser has an alternative SreeD renderer that takes care of that program. Quicktime and D|S 1.7 do not have that option. After modelling large 3D models in x64, I'll never go back to 32 bit. It took forever to manipulate stuff and the latency was awful. It's great response now. As with everything it depends on what you do. YMMV Graystar "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message news:e41IBqr0HHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I would agree that for more than 90% of Windows users, 32-bit is a better >choice. For those who need 64-bit or just want to be ready for the future >of computing, Vista64 is the best choice. > > "Jan Wielemaker" <jan@nospam.ct.xs4all.nl> wrote in message > news:46adef09$0$241$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl... >> On 2007-07-30, Konan <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote: >>> John Barnes wrote: >>>> Maybe, maybe, maybe. >>>> >>>> "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message >>>> news:46ad098e$0$3187$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>>> NO! NO! NO! >>>> >>> >>> I have just removed XP64 with its partition for the third (hopefully) >>> the last time due to its inability to run several 32 bit photo editing >>> software. So I'd say: "NoNoNo! >> >> Some application need more than 3GB address space and some todays PCs >> have more than 3.5GB main memory. Than you need a 64-bit OS. There >> are some applications that benefit from the more modern X64 >> instruction set. If none of these applies, all you get is less tested >> and less mainstream software, and therefore more trouble. I'd estimate >> 99% of todays users are better of running a 32-bit OS. But .... >> 64 > 32 can't be denied :-) >> >> ... (running 64-bit Linux and both XP32 and XP64 in a virtual machines) >> >> Cheers --- Jan >
Guest Graystar Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? Problem is, the wisdom of that advice changes every friggin' week for almost all of the operating systems. It all stinks IMO. YMMV "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message news:ODHZSmr0HHA.5152@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > If I were running intensive photo editing (not play photo editing), I > would buy one of the programs that run native 64-bit and are Vista64 > compatible. At this point, XP64 is probably a waste of time IF you have > programs or hardware that is incompatible. It will probably never be > specifically targeted either for drivers or program compatibility. > > "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message > news:46ade9b3$0$20589$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> John Barnes wrote: >>> Maybe, maybe, maybe. >>> >>> "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message >>> news:46ad098e$0$3187$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>> NO! NO! NO! >>> >> >> I have just removed XP64 with its partition for the third (hopefully) >> the last time due to its inability to run several 32 bit photo editing >> software. So I'd say: "NoNoNo! >
Guest John Barnes Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? In my case I had abandoned and replaced several pieces of equipment that never got X64 drivers, that now have Vista64 drivers. With its wider distribution through retail channels, some vendors are making the 64-bit effort, that never did with the oem only XP64. "Graystar" <graystar@flash.net> wrote in message news:O1cqub91HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Problem is, the wisdom of that advice changes every friggin' week for > almost all of the operating systems. > It all stinks IMO. > YMMV > > "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message > news:ODHZSmr0HHA.5152@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> If I were running intensive photo editing (not play photo editing), I >> would buy one of the programs that run native 64-bit and are Vista64 >> compatible. At this point, XP64 is probably a waste of time IF you have >> programs or hardware that is incompatible. It will probably never be >> specifically targeted either for drivers or program compatibility. >> >> "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message >> news:46ade9b3$0$20589$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> John Barnes wrote: >>>> Maybe, maybe, maybe. >>>> >>>> "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message >>>> news:46ad098e$0$3187$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>>> NO! NO! NO! >>>> >>> >>> I have just removed XP64 with its partition for the third (hopefully) >>> the last time due to its inability to run several 32 bit photo editing >>> software. So I'd say: "NoNoNo! >> > >
Guest Graystar Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Re: Is x64 Worth It? Yep. and while doing so for Vista, many are spinning off the x64 drivers as well. Then again some still have their heads in that dark place. <g.> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message news:%23FokKtC2HHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > In my case I had abandoned and replaced several pieces of equipment that > never got X64 drivers, that now have Vista64 drivers. With its wider > distribution through retail channels, some vendors are making the 64-bit > effort, that never did with the oem only XP64. > "Graystar" <graystar@flash.net> wrote in message > news:O1cqub91HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Problem is, the wisdom of that advice changes every friggin' week for >> almost all of the operating systems. >> It all stinks IMO. >> YMMV >> >> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message >> news:ODHZSmr0HHA.5152@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> If I were running intensive photo editing (not play photo editing), I >>> would buy one of the programs that run native 64-bit and are Vista64 >>> compatible. At this point, XP64 is probably a waste of time IF you have >>> programs or hardware that is incompatible. It will probably never be >>> specifically targeted either for drivers or program compatibility. >>> >>> "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message >>> news:46ade9b3$0$20589$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>> John Barnes wrote: >>>>> Maybe, maybe, maybe. >>>>> >>>>> "Konan" <kohoo@nowho.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:46ad098e$0$3187$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>>>>> NO! NO! NO! >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have just removed XP64 with its partition for the third (hopefully) >>>> the last time due to its inability to run several 32 bit photo editing >>>> software. So I'd say: "NoNoNo! >>> >> >> >
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