"live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

[Guest Mycroft Holmes]

Hi,

 

Is there some server "live" backup solution that creates a binary dump of

the whole C partition on another drive?

At the moment we rely on the shadow copy service; we got some results from

google, but we'd like something as "lightweight" as possible

 

Thanks,

MH

[Guest Juergen Kluth]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

acronis

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

I use Acronis, or the new Windows Home Server to take periodic dumps of the

drive. (WHS doesn't currently support 64-bit clients, only 32-bit, but that

should get fixed before too long, we hope.)

 

For a more full featured, more frequent, and overall more robust solution,

Microsoft's Data Protection Manager is an excellent solution. Version 2 is

in beta at this point, but I think it's a beta you can self-nominate for, so

you might want to give it a try.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"Mycroft Holmes" <m.holmes@nospam.it> wrote in message

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> Hi,

>

> Is there some server "live" backup solution that creates a binary dump of

> the whole C partition on another drive?

> At the moment we rely on the shadow copy service; we got some results from

> google, but we'd like something as "lightweight" as possible

>

> Thanks,

> MH

>

>

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

You lift the veil on a couple of concepts that are new to me, Charlie - yes,

I have been ignoring my MSDN and Technet mail subscriptions lately. Are any

of those remotely interesting on a pure desktop workstation? I understand,

the WHS is a HW/SW bundle, or. . ?

 

And - are they both targeted solely at Vista?

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:5651E2D9-AF67-4524-AFD5-375DF9B5DDD4@microsoft.com...

> I use Acronis, or the new Windows Home Server to take periodic dumps of

the

> drive. (WHS doesn't currently support 64-bit clients, only 32-bit, but

that

> should get fixed before too long, we hope.)

>

> For a more full featured, more frequent, and overall more robust solution,

> Microsoft's Data Protection Manager is an excellent solution. Version 2 is

> in beta at this point, but I think it's a beta you can self-nominate for,

so

> you might want to give it a try.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

>

> "Mycroft Holmes" <m.holmes@nospam.it> wrote in message

> news:%23KEkugi7HHA.980@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> > Hi,

> >

> > Is there some server "live" backup solution that creates a binary dump

of

> > the whole C partition on another drive?

> > At the moment we rely on the shadow copy service; we got some results

from

> > google, but we'd like something as "lightweight" as possible

> >

> > Thanks,

> > MH

> >

> >

>

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

Windows Home Server is likely to be offered primarily as a bundle with

supporting hardware, much as Media Center Edition was originally. However,

that being said, there _will_ be a System Builder version that you can buy.

Just not a pure retail version. It's an interesting solution for a smallish

network, with or without SBS. I'm running it here as the backup solution for

SBS and for my co-author's 32-bit workstation. I've tested it doing a full,

bare metal restore and it's really quite good at it, as long as you have

ACPI support on the restore target which most modern machines do. The

concept is simple - it's a stripped down version of Windows Server that does

some wierdness with the NTFS disks to completely hide it from you. You run

low on space? Plug in another disk. It will simply add it to the volume, in

the background. It's completely headless - you only need video, keyboard and

mouse for the initial install, and only if you build one yourself. Backups

are image based, and smart about what has changed and what hasn't. First one

takes a while, but after that they're quick.

 

Bare metal restores - boot off the restore CD, add drivers if you need to

for disk or network (it prompts you, after first listing the ones it already

knows about), point to the backup date you want, and it handles the rest. If

it's a brand new, never used, disk on the target you'll have to initialize

the disk (but again, it promts you and opens disk manager to let you do it),

and then just wait for the restore. A fresh Vista install takes about 20

minutes or less over a good network and fast disks.

 

Data Protection Manager is a very full featured two tier backup solution

that is smart and fast. Designed for large corporate networks, it's more

than most small businesses need. But it's impressive. (All this is about

version 2 - the less said about v1 the better.) Individual files or entier

disks are restored to any point in time and with no pain or uncertainty -

first tier is always to disk.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

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> You lift the veil on a couple of concepts that are new to me, Charlie -

> yes,

> I have been ignoring my MSDN and Technet mail subscriptions lately. Are

> any

> of those remotely interesting on a pure desktop workstation? I understand,

> the WHS is a HW/SW bundle, or. . ?

>

> And - are they both targeted solely at Vista?

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> news:5651E2D9-AF67-4524-AFD5-375DF9B5DDD4@microsoft.com...

>> I use Acronis, or the new Windows Home Server to take periodic dumps of

> the

>> drive. (WHS doesn't currently support 64-bit clients, only 32-bit, but

> that

>> should get fixed before too long, we hope.)

>>

>> For a more full featured, more frequent, and overall more robust

>> solution,

>> Microsoft's Data Protection Manager is an excellent solution. Version 2

>> is

>> in beta at this point, but I think it's a beta you can self-nominate for,

> so

>> you might want to give it a try.

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>>

>> "Mycroft Holmes" <m.holmes@nospam.it> wrote in message

>> news:%23KEkugi7HHA.980@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> > Hi,

>> >

>> > Is there some server "live" backup solution that creates a binary dump

> of

>> > the whole C partition on another drive?

>> > At the moment we rely on the shadow copy service; we got some results

> from

>> > google, but we'd like something as "lightweight" as possible

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> > MH

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

[Guest Mycroft Holmes]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

Thanks to everyone for the comments. We downloaded the trial of Acronis

TrueImage server, but Windows H.S. seems a good long-term solution

 

MH

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

Thanks a lot, Charlie. You beat the newsletters for instructiveness.

 

 

Tony. . .

[Guest Flatus Ohlfahrt]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

That sounds like a really neat idea. From my experience with

WHS, I thought its disk management and backup solutions were its

greatest strengths.

 

So far as storage is concerned, what do you have SBS doing and

what does WHS do? And how do you congigure the clients?

 

Right now I'm using SBS because I wanted Exchange. But, I really

miss the simplicity of WHS.

 

Flatus

 

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:05:26 GMT, Charlie Russel - MVP wrote

in news:63532C53-3940-45FB-9685-3346202C7229@microsoft.com:

> Windows Home Server is likely to be offered primarily as a

> bundle with supporting hardware, much as Media Center

> Edition was originally. However, that being said, there

> _will_ be a System Builder version that you can buy. Just

> not a pure retail version. It's an interesting solution for

> a smallish network, with or without SBS. I'm running it

> here as the backup solution for SBS and for my co-author's

> 32-bit workstation. I've tested it doing a full, bare metal

> restore and it's really quite good at it, as long as you

> have ACPI support on the restore target which most modern

> machines do. The concept is simple - it's a stripped down

> version of Windows Server that does some wierdness with the

> NTFS disks to completely hide it from you. You run low on

> space? Plug in another disk. It will simply add it to the

> volume, in the background. It's completely headless - you

> only need video, keyboard and mouse for the initial

> install, and only if you build one yourself. Backups are

> image based, and smart about what has changed and what

> hasn't. First one takes a while, but after that they're

> quick.

>

> Bare metal restores - boot off the restore CD, add drivers

> if you need to for disk or network (it prompts you, after

> first listing the ones it already knows about), point to

> the backup date you want, and it handles the rest. If it's

> a brand new, never used, disk on the target you'll have to

> initialize the disk (but again, it promts you and opens

> disk manager to let you do it), and then just wait for the

> restore. A fresh Vista install takes about 20 minutes or

> less over a good network and fast disks.

>

> Data Protection Manager is a very full featured two tier

> backup solution that is smart and fast. Designed for large

> corporate networks, it's more than most small businesses

> need. But it's impressive. (All this is about version 2 -

> the less said about v1 the better.) Individual files or

> entier disks are restored to any point in time and with no

> pain or uncertainty - first tier is always to disk.

>

 

 

 

 

We

 

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[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

SBS runs my business. My working shares and my Exchange are on it. My

accounts are there. My firewall is ISA. WHS is the backup media for it. (and

for my 32-bit clients that I care about.) And I also use it to store/share

music, video and pictures, taking that load off of the SBS box where it

doesn't frankly belong. Remote access is via SBS (though the same technology

is what is used in WHS). Once there's a 64bit connector, my x64 workstations

will get backed up to it. (and the bare metal restore capabilities are

frankly very nice.)

 

Only thing missing is TiVo storage. And that's being worked on. ;)

 

Clients are members of the SBS domain, as always. They run a WHS client as

well.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"Flatus Ohlfahrt" <flatus@ohlfahrts.org> wrote in message

news:Xns99A151D09AE26flatusohlfahrtsorg@207.46.248.16...

> That sounds like a really neat idea. From my experience with

> WHS, I thought its disk management and backup solutions were its

> greatest strengths.

>

> So far as storage is concerned, what do you have SBS doing and

> what does WHS do? And how do you congigure the clients?

>

> Right now I'm using SBS because I wanted Exchange. But, I really

> miss the simplicity of WHS.

>

> Flatus

>

> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:05:26 GMT, Charlie Russel - MVP wrote

> in news:63532C53-3940-45FB-9685-3346202C7229@microsoft.com:

>

>> Windows Home Server is likely to be offered primarily as a

>> bundle with supporting hardware, much as Media Center

>> Edition was originally. However, that being said, there

>> _will_ be a System Builder version that you can buy. Just

>> not a pure retail version. It's an interesting solution for

>> a smallish network, with or without SBS. I'm running it

>> here as the backup solution for SBS and for my co-author's

>> 32-bit workstation. I've tested it doing a full, bare metal

>> restore and it's really quite good at it, as long as you

>> have ACPI support on the restore target which most modern

>> machines do. The concept is simple - it's a stripped down

>> version of Windows Server that does some wierdness with the

>> NTFS disks to completely hide it from you. You run low on

>> space? Plug in another disk. It will simply add it to the

>> volume, in the background. It's completely headless - you

>> only need video, keyboard and mouse for the initial

>> install, and only if you build one yourself. Backups are

>> image based, and smart about what has changed and what

>> hasn't. First one takes a while, but after that they're

>> quick.

>>

>> Bare metal restores - boot off the restore CD, add drivers

>> if you need to for disk or network (it prompts you, after

>> first listing the ones it already knows about), point to

>> the backup date you want, and it handles the rest. If it's

>> a brand new, never used, disk on the target you'll have to

>> initialize the disk (but again, it promts you and opens

>> disk manager to let you do it), and then just wait for the

>> restore. A fresh Vista install takes about 20 minutes or

>> less over a good network and fast disks.

>>

>> Data Protection Manager is a very full featured two tier

>> backup solution that is smart and fast. Designed for large

>> corporate networks, it's more than most small businesses

>> need. But it's impressive. (All this is about version 2 -

>> the less said about v1 the better.) Individual files or

>> entier disks are restored to any point in time and with no

>> pain or uncertainty - first tier is always to disk.

>>

>

>

>

>

> We

>

> --

> fought hard for what we earned.

>

> Tricare for Life is at:

> http://www.tricareforlife.org

> Tricare is at:

> http://www.tricare.org

[Guest Barb Bowman]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

and seamless integration with Windows Media Center Recorded TV

(which may be more important to some than Tivo).

 

 

 

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:37:36 -0700, "Charlie Russel - MVP"

<charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote:

>Only thing missing is TiVo storage. And that's being worked on. ;)

--

 

Barb Bowman

MS Windows-MVP

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx

http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

[Guest Flatus Ohlfahrt]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

Charlie's amplification made a lot of sense to me (thanks!).

I'll go ahead and do it that way.

 

All the MP3s and photos on my Vista UltimateX64 box can be

played/viewed on CCTV via our networked DirecTV HDTV recorder. I

also have an XP Pro box with an HDDVR that also feeds into the

house system. These files _really_ take a lot of space.

 

Despite the workarounds required because of no X64 connector, I

think it will be a much more functional setup than with SBS

alone.

 

Flatus

 

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:49:46 GMT, Barb Bowman wrote in

news:o33rd358jrqurfqo882l9gh04ivbhq1em3@4ax.com:

> and seamless integration with Windows Media Center Recorded

> TV (which may be more important to some than Tivo).

>

>

>

> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:37:36 -0700, "Charlie Russel - MVP"

><charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote:

>

>>Only thing missing is TiVo storage. And that's being worked

>>on. ;)

> --

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: "live" backup solution for windows 2003 x64

 

Glad to help. I know the lack of x64 connector was NOT something the product

group was happy about, and I strongly expect to see one available this year.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"Flatus Ohlfahrt" <Flatus@community.nospam> wrote in message

news:Xns99A1A521C9EC5FlatusOhlfahrtsNet@207.46.248.16...

> Charlie's amplification made a lot of sense to me (thanks!).

> I'll go ahead and do it that way.

>

> All the MP3s and photos on my Vista UltimateX64 box can be

> played/viewed on CCTV via our networked DirecTV HDTV recorder. I

> also have an XP Pro box with an HDDVR that also feeds into the

> house system. These files _really_ take a lot of space.

>

> Despite the workarounds required because of no X64 connector, I

> think it will be a much more functional setup than with SBS

> alone.

>

> Flatus

>

> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:49:46 GMT, Barb Bowman wrote in

> news:o33rd358jrqurfqo882l9gh04ivbhq1em3@4ax.com:

>

>> and seamless integration with Windows Media Center Recorded

>> TV (which may be more important to some than Tivo).

>>

>>

>>

>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:37:36 -0700, "Charlie Russel - MVP"

>><charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote:

>>

>>>Only thing missing is TiVo storage. And that's being worked

>>>on. ;)

>> --

>