Making a former Slave HD bootable

[Guest aa]

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>

> I note that you're still posting with an incorrect time

> stamp. While this is irrelevant with respect to your

> attempts at making your disk bootable, I hope that

> it is not a reflection of a casual attitude towards

> repairing your PC. Unless you carry out my instructions

> carefully, you will fail.

>

>

It's not a casual attitude. It's consentration on the problem at hand and

ignoring the rest. I am bad at multitasking. A tunnel vision.

Do you mean my computer clock being 1 min behind? Now it is corrected

(within a reasonable precision)

[Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)]

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>>

>

>> I note that you're still posting with an incorrect time

>> stamp. While this is irrelevant with respect to your

>> attempts at making your disk bootable, I hope that

>> it is not a reflection of a casual attitude towards

>> repairing your PC. Unless you carry out my instructions

>> carefully, you will fail.

>>

>>

> It's not a casual attitude. It's consentration on the problem at hand and

> ignoring the rest. I am bad at multitasking. A tunnel vision.

> Do you mean my computer clock being 1 min behind? Now it is corrected

> (within a reasonable precision)

>

 

No, your clock was many hours behind. It's easy to tell because

several answers in this thread were posted ***before*** you

asked the question . . .

[Guest aa]

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> No, your clock was many hours behind. It's easy to tell because

> several answers in this thread were posted ***before*** you

> asked the question . . .

 

Then the problrm perhaps is with my friend's notebook I use while my PC is

down. He (the friend) came from Moscow, and though he set the UK time on it,

the NG server inteprets it as a Moscow time and adds the time differents (3

hours)

I do not feel like tampering with setting on this computer.

[Guest aa]

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Microsoft is well aware of numerous problems, but it opts to igonore them

and dugs the same bags from one version into another for the customers have

no alternatives.

 

"archer" <toerag@spamhole.com> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:

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> On Sep 8, 4:18 pm, "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I....@fly.com> wrote:

>

> > By the way, either your clock or your time zone is wrong.

> > You're posting in the past

>

> If every OE user, who has commented on this sort of thing in

> newsgroups over the years, directed their discontent at Microsoft

> instead, MS might, by now, have fixed OE so that it isn't a problem

> for their users (i.e. like every other newsreader client out there).

>

[Guest archer]

Re: Making a former Slave HD bootable

 

On Sep 8, 4:18 pm, "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I....@fly.com> wrote:

> By the way, either your clock or your time zone is wrong.

> You're posting in the past

 

If every OE user, who has commented on this sort of thing in

newsgroups over the years, directed their discontent at Microsoft

instead, MS might, by now, have fixed OE so that it isn't a problem

for their users (i.e. like every other newsreader client out there).

[Guest aa]

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"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:

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> Rather than mucking around with boot sectors etc, boot

> the machine with a WinXP boot diskette and see what

> you get.

> - Format a floppy disk on some other WinXP/2000 PC.

> Don't do it on a Win9x PC - it won't work.

> - Copy these files from the \i386 folder of your WinXP CD to A:\

> ntldr

> ntdetect.com

> - Create a file a:\boot.ini with these lines

> [boot loader]

> timeout=10

> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

> [operating systems]

> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="1 Microsoft Windows XP

> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="2 Microsoft Windows XP

> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="3 Microsoft Windows XP

> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

>

> Note that the last three lines each start with the word "multi".

> If your newsreader wraps them around then you must

> unwrap them.

>

> Now boot your machine with this floppy disk and try

> each of the three boot options. Remember to instruct

> your BIOS to boot off the floppy disk drive!

>

The trick did not work. I kept receiving the same message about

misconfigured bootable device though in BIOS I set the first, the second and

the third boot device as diskette. It looked as if it simply did not try to

read boot.ini from the diskette.

Do you mean that if ntldr, and ntdetect.com and boot.ini are on a bootable

diskette, the system reads them and acts on them, ignoring similar files on

a hard drive?

[Guest aa]

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> >> - Scrap the lot and start afresh.

I finally followed this advice of yours and formated one of the partitions

on that HD and installed XP Home there.

When I booted I noticed that the OS we tried to restore was actually w2k and

in the new XP installation is shown under letter H.

There are couple of stange things there I wish to understand.

1. When booting I was given an option to boot into XP or into w2k. So diring

XP installation the presence of w2k on tha disk was detected and boot.ini

was formed accordingly.

2. XP boots well. An attempt to boot into w2k failed with the same

notification about wrongly configured HD.

I tried to use your diskette changing WINDOWS to WINNT and partition(1) to

partition(6) - same result.

Why would not it boot?

3. Earlier when I booted from w98 boot diskette I could list the directories

on all the partitions except the one with OS.

dir H returned that the drive is not available - why so?

[Guest aa]

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"Frank Booth Snr" <fbsnr@yahoo.co.uk> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:

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> The blue connector on the mobo is the primary hard drive controller.

> Connect the ribbon to this (blue connector on the ribbon), and put the

> hdd at thw other end (master position). Make sure the jumper position on

> the hdd is set to master correctly. Then go into BIOS and check that it

> reads the hdd correctly as master, before anything else.

 

Thank you Frank, very useful.

[Guest Unknown]

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Do you think that is such an easy task? Ever do any programming?

"archer" <toerag@spamhole.com> wrote in message

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> On Sep 8, 4:18 pm, "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I....@fly.com> wrote:

>

>> By the way, either your clock or your time zone is wrong.

>> You're posting in the past

>

> If every OE user, who has commented on this sort of thing in

> newsgroups over the years, directed their discontent at Microsoft

> instead, MS might, by now, have fixed OE so that it isn't a problem

> for their users (i.e. like every other newsreader client out there).

>

[Guest aa]

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"Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:

news:e1Tmh0y8HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...> When you report back, do not

write "misconfigured bootable device".

> Instead you must quote the full error message ***verbatim***!

>

I used this as a shortcut to an earlier quotet verbatim:

w2k could not start because of a computer hardware config problem. Could not

read from the selected boot disk. Check

boot path and disk hardware.

[Guest aa]

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>

> "aa" <aa@microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> > Microsoft is well aware of numerous problems, but it opts to igonore

them

> > and dugs the same bags from one version into another for the customers

> > have

> > no alternatives.

> >

>

> Would you care to give us some specific examples?

> Don't mention the PC clock time issue - this is not a

> problem but a design decision.

>

Sorry, by bugs I meant what you call a design decision - numerous design

decisions in applications which are pain in the arse to use an application -

if examples are needed - you only need to go to one of websites called

something like Microsoft sucks or Microsoft must dye - there are collections

there. Microsoft made huge contribution to this technology when they

started, and Bill Gates deserves a monument in gold, but now they just twist

our balls and they actually set an example of a big company ingnoring

customer, so other companies followed the suit so no matter if you have

problems with a computer or with a washing machine, you are on your own like

it used to be in Old Good Soviet Union.

[Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)]

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"aa" <aa@microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> Microsoft is well aware of numerous problems, but it opts to igonore them

> and dugs the same bags from one version into another for the customers

> have

> no alternatives.

>

 

Would you care to give us some specific examples?

Don't mention the PC clock time issue - this is not a

problem but a design decision.

[Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)]

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"aa" <aa@microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>

>> Rather than mucking around with boot sectors etc, boot

>> the machine with a WinXP boot diskette and see what

>> you get.

>> - Format a floppy disk on some other WinXP/2000 PC.

>> Don't do it on a Win9x PC - it won't work.

>> - Copy these files from the \i386 folder of your WinXP CD to A:\

>> ntldr

>> ntdetect.com

>> - Create a file a:\boot.ini with these lines

>> [boot loader]

>> timeout=10

>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

>> [operating systems]

>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="1 Microsoft Windows XP

>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="2 Microsoft Windows XP

>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="3 Microsoft Windows XP

>> Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn

>>

>> Note that the last three lines each start with the word "multi".

>> If your newsreader wraps them around then you must

>> unwrap them.

>>

>> Now boot your machine with this floppy disk and try

>> each of the three boot options. Remember to instruct

>> your BIOS to boot off the floppy disk drive!

>>

> The trick did not work. I kept receiving the same message about

> misconfigured bootable device though in BIOS I set the first, the second

> and

> the third boot device as diskette. It looked as if it simply did not try

> to

> read boot.ini from the diskette.

> Do you mean that if ntldr, and ntdetect.com and boot.ini are on a

> bootable

> diskette, the system reads them and acts on them, ignoring similar files

> on

> a hard drive?

 

This is correct, but only if you formatted the floppy disk

on a Win2000 or XP PC.

 

When you report back, do not write "misconfigured bootable device".

Instead you must quote the full error message ***verbatim***!

[Guest Frank Booth Snr]

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aa wrote:

> Just to exclude some stupid errors. To make sure that the HD is correctly

> connected. I have two sockets on the motherboard, next to one another for

> those flat ribbon cables. One socket is blue, the other one is black.

> How shall I tell which one is for the master HD?

> Also each ribbon has one connector at the end and another connector in the

> middle - does it matter whether the master HD is connected to the center of

> the ribbon or to its end?

>

The blue connector on the mobo is the primary hard drive controller.

Connect the ribbon to this (blue connector on the ribbon), and put the

hdd at thw other end (master position). Make sure the jumper position on

the hdd is set to master correctly. Then go into BIOS and check that it

reads the hdd correctly as master, before anything else.

[Guest Sid Elbow]

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Pegasus (MVP) wrote:

> Would you care to give us some specific examples?

> Don't mention the PC clock time issue - this is not a

> problem but a design decision.

 

My pet peeve is that, although IE allows you to turn off Active-X (which

many want to for security reasons) in return you get a reminder window

for EVERY SINGLE Active-X instance, each of which has to be individually

closed. Nor do they have the usual "Don't show this again" option.

 

It's mind-bogglingly annoying, has been soundly complained about all

over the web for many years since IE-5 days yet Microsoft has

consistently refused to address it until (I understand) IE7 (but still

no fix for IE-6 users).

[Guest Gary Chanson]

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"aa" <aa@microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:

> news:e1Tmh0y8HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...> When you report back, do not

> write "misconfigured bootable device".

> > Instead you must quote the full error message ***verbatim***!

> >

> I used this as a shortcut to an earlier quotet verbatim:

> w2k could not start because of a computer hardware config problem. Could not

> read from the selected boot disk. Check

> boot path and disk hardware.

 

This is not a BIOS error. It's a message for the Windows loader.

 

--

 

- Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)

- Abolish Public Schools

[Guest Pegasus \(MVP\)]

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"aa" <aa@microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>

> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:

> news:e1Tmh0y8HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...> When you report back, do

> not

> write "misconfigured bootable device".

>> Instead you must quote the full error message ***verbatim***!

>>

> I used this as a shortcut to an earlier quotet verbatim:

> w2k could not start because of a computer hardware config problem. Could

> not

> read from the selected boot disk. Check

> boot path and disk hardware.

>

 

This means that in the line

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(x)partition(y)\WINDOWS= . . .

either the the disk number (x) or the partition number

(y) is incorrect. Change them until you get it right!

[Guest Reinier Verly]

Re: Making a former Slave HD bootable ===> FDISK /mbr & SYS :C issue

 

Re: Making a former Slave HD bootable ===> FDISK /mbr & SYS :C issue

 

I have a problem that associated to the one described it is FDISK /mbr & SYS :C

related.

I have a 150 G HD, a thing FAT can’ t recognise as being so it recognises it

as barely 20 MB.

I had to install MS XP first on it because it only could be installed as

being NTFS.

It all worked fine, all my important DOC ‘s are on it right now.

Because I had to use an older MS Windows 98 version program I did install it

on a second HD (10 G ), no problem what so ever. Of course it worked fine to.

But multi boot was preferable and I went for it. Intending not to disturb

the NTFS HD

I did install on the FAT HD NT 4, which does recognises and in the beginning

did recognise the 150 G HD. I planned to install MS XP on the 10G HD, but

encountered

problems?

And now the problem started, I had to use my old Win 98 Boot disk to have

the MBR of the 10 G HD cleaned, meanwhile the 150 G HD was connected as

second master. I also performed a SYS :C on the 10 G HD. It looked fine and

installed easily

MS XP. While checking after the installation how everything was seen on “MY

COMPUTER” I saw both HD, but the 150 G HD wasn’t seen anymore as being NTFS

and can ‘t therefore be red. I checked as much as my knowledge goes but

found no solution.

I really need to find a way to reuse the 150 GHD without loosing all my data.

I guess that FDISK /mbr & SYS :C worked fine on the 10 G HD and possibly

also on the 150 G HD……

I badlly need a way to rescue my NTFS HD with its contents, does a NTFS

tools exists to do this job??

 

Reinier Verly

 

 

"aa" wrote:

> fdisk /mbr did not help. Id does no send any messages - just pause for a

> second and returns the prompt - is it supposed to be like this?

> BTW an attempt to boot says that w2k could not start because of a computer

> hardware config problem. Could not read from the selected boot disk. Check

> boot path and disk hardware. So it somehow knows that I want to load w2k

> which should mean that the boot sector is OK?

> "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:

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> >

> > "aa" <aa@microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:eW9Nzzh8HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > >I have two harddrives on my PC, teh Primary has XP and the Slave has w2k

> > >

> > > The Primary HD crushed, I took it out and moved the Slave in its place,

> > > while seting the jamper on the Slave into "Master or single drive"

> > > position.

> > >

> > > Now how do I make this HD bootable?

> > >

> > >

> >

> > It depends.

> >

> > If the partition on the slave disk is a logical drive inside

> > an extended partition then you have to use a third-party

> > product such as Acronis to convert the logical drive into

> > a primary partition.

> >

> > If it is already a primary partition then you can do this:

> > - Boot the machine with a Win98 boot disk (http://www.bootdisk.com)

> > - Execute this command:

> > fdisk /mbr

> >

> > The command will restore your MBR. If someone

> > tells you that this won't work for NTFS partitions,

> > ignore them. The MBR is not part of the file system.

> >

> > Another method requires you to boot the machine

> > with your Win2000 boot CD, go into the Recovery

> > Console and execute these commands

> > fixboot

> > fixmbr

> >

> > Your machine may or may not boot after this. If it

> > does not, post again.

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest Gary Chanson]

Re: Making a former Slave HD bootable ===> FDISK /mbr & SYS :C issue

 

Re: Making a former Slave HD bootable ===> FDISK /mbr & SYS :C issue

 

It sounds like you need a BIOS update to handle drives larger then 128 GB.

 

--

 

- Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)

- Abolish Public Schools

 

 

"Reinier Verly" <Reinier Verly@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> I have a problem that associated to the one described it is FDISK /mbr & SYS

:C

> related.

> I have a 150 G HD, a thing FAT can' t recognise as being so it recognises it

> as barely 20 MB.

> I had to install MS XP first on it because it only could be installed as

> being NTFS.

> It all worked fine, all my important DOC 's are on it right now.

> Because I had to use an older MS Windows 98 version program I did install it

> on a second HD (10 G ), no problem what so ever. Of course it worked fine

to.

> But multi boot was preferable and I went for it. Intending not to disturb

> the NTFS HD

> I did install on the FAT HD NT 4, which does recognises and in the beginning

> did recognise the 150 G HD. I planned to install MS XP on the 10G HD, but

> encountered

> problems?

> And now the problem started, I had to use my old Win 98 Boot disk to have

> the MBR of the 10 G HD cleaned, meanwhile the 150 G HD was connected as

> second master. I also performed a SYS :C on the 10 G HD. It looked fine and

> installed easily

> MS XP. While checking after the installation how everything was seen on "MY

> COMPUTER" I saw both HD, but the 150 G HD wasn't seen anymore as being NTFS

> and can 't therefore be red. I checked as much as my knowledge goes but

> found no solution.

> I really need to find a way to reuse the 150 GHD without loosing all my

data.

> I guess that FDISK /mbr & SYS :C worked fine on the 10 G HD and possibly

> also on the 150 G HD..

> I badlly need a way to rescue my NTFS HD with its contents, does a NTFS

> tools exists to do this job??

>

> Reinier Verly

>

>

> "aa" wrote:

>

> > fdisk /mbr did not help. Id does no send any messages - just pause for a

> > second and returns the prompt - is it supposed to be like this?

> > BTW an attempt to boot says that w2k could not start because of a computer

> > hardware config problem. Could not read from the selected boot disk. Check

> > boot path and disk hardware. So it somehow knows that I want to load w2k

> > which should mean that the boot sector is OK?

> > "Pegasus (MVP)" <I.can@fly.com> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:

> > news:e4AalCk8HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > >

> > > "aa" <aa@microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > news:eW9Nzzh8HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > > >I have two harddrives on my PC, teh Primary has XP and the Slave has

w2k

> > > >

> > > > The Primary HD crushed, I took it out and moved the Slave in its

place,

> > > > while seting the jamper on the Slave into "Master or single drive"

> > > > position.

> > > >

> > > > Now how do I make this HD bootable?

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > It depends.

> > >

> > > If the partition on the slave disk is a logical drive inside

> > > an extended partition then you have to use a third-party

> > > product such as Acronis to convert the logical drive into

> > > a primary partition.

> > >

> > > If it is already a primary partition then you can do this:

> > > - Boot the machine with a Win98 boot disk (http://www.bootdisk.com)

> > > - Execute this command:

> > > fdisk /mbr

> > >

> > > The command will restore your MBR. If someone

> > > tells you that this won't work for NTFS partitions,

> > > ignore them. The MBR is not part of the file system.

> > >

> > > Another method requires you to boot the machine

> > > with your Win2000 boot CD, go into the Recovery

> > > Console and execute these commands

> > > fixboot

> > > fixmbr

> > >

> > > Your machine may or may not boot after this. If it

> > > does not, post again.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >