Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

> Skybuck:

> Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

> Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last Known

> Good Configuration?

> Carlos

>

> "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

>

>> Hello,

>>

>> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the loopback

>> adapter trick.

>>

>> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

>>

>> 1. Removed all protocols.

>>

>> 2. Removed the network adapter.

>>

>> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

>>

>> 4. Rebooted.

>>

>> End result:

>>

>> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections panel.

>>

>> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

>>

>> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

>>

>> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

>>

>> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

>>

>> Lessons learned:

>>

>> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

>>

>> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

>>

>> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

>>

>> Final question:

>>

>> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

>>

>> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

>>

>> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is straight

>> into turdland :)

>>

>> Bye,

>> Skybuck.

>>

September 16, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

LKG only restores one registry key, not the whole registry, so if the

problem is with any key except HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet you will have

to use system restore. LKG also restores the previous driver situation, so

it is good if a newly installed driver is suspected. System restore has the

advantage of restoring the entire registry and system files in addition to

the driver files.

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:ECB3C2EC-9C31-419D-B87A-D1A047DF497C@microsoft.com...

> He's WAY past Last Known Good.

> Just so everyone understands what Last Known Good will do, let's add a

> little clarity here. Last Known Good reverts to the last time you were

> able to log in to the machine. Once you log in, however horked up it may

> be, it's too late. That last known good is GONE. And LKG is now pointing

> to the horked up login. Now restoring to a known good restore point is a

> different kettle of fish, and can sometimes get you out of the hole. But

> LKG is of very limited use - mostly for when you've done something so bad

> that you can't even boot. With XP or Vista on a non-Domain network and a

> single account, the machine will automatically log you in if you don't

> have a password (are there really people trusting enough to run that way

> any more?!?), meaning that you're completely horked if it gets that far.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

>> Skybuck:

>> Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

>> Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last

>> Known

>> Good Configuration?

>> Carlos

>>

>> "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

>>

>>> Hello,

>>>

>>> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the loopback

>>> adapter trick.

>>>

>>> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

>>>

>>> 1. Removed all protocols.

>>>

>>> 2. Removed the network adapter.

>>>

>>> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

>>>

>>> 4. Rebooted.

>>>

>>> End result:

>>>

>>> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections panel.

>>>

>>> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

>>>

>>> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

>>>

>>> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

>>>

>>> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

>>>

>>> Lessons learned:

>>>

>>> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

>>>

>>> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

>>>

>>> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

>>>

>>> Final question:

>>>

>>> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

>>>

>>> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

>>>

>>> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is straight

>>> into turdland :)

>>>

>>> Bye,

>>> Skybuck.

>>>

>

September 16, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

Charlie:

I have just learnt two things from your post:

1.- The real use of LKG

2.- The meaning of the expression "horked up". Had to resort to Wikipedia in

order to understand it

Now, getting back to Skybuck's issue.

He still has the System Restore alternative, right?

Carlos

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> He's WAY past Last Known Good.

>

> Just so everyone understands what Last Known Good will do, let's add a

> little clarity here. Last Known Good reverts to the last time you were able

> to log in to the machine. Once you log in, however horked up it may be, it's

> too late. That last known good is GONE. And LKG is now pointing to the

> horked up login. Now restoring to a known good restore point is a different

> kettle of fish, and can sometimes get you out of the hole. But LKG is of

> very limited use - mostly for when you've done something so bad that you

> can't even boot. With XP or Vista on a non-Domain network and a single

> account, the machine will automatically log you in if you don't have a

> password (are there really people trusting enough to run that way any

> more?!?), meaning that you're completely horked if it gets that far.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

> > Skybuck:

> > Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

> > Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last Known

> > Good Configuration?

> > Carlos

> >

> > "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

> >

> >> Hello,

> >>

> >> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the loopback

> >> adapter trick.

> >>

> >> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

> >>

> >> 1. Removed all protocols.

> >>

> >> 2. Removed the network adapter.

> >>

> >> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

> >>

> >> 4. Rebooted.

> >>

> >> End result:

> >>

> >> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections panel.

> >>

> >> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

> >>

> >> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

> >>

> >> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

> >>

> >> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

> >>

> >> Lessons learned:

> >>

> >> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

> >>

> >> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

> >>

> >> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

> >>

> >> Final question:

> >>

> >> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

> >>

> >> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

> >>

> >> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is straight

> >> into turdland :)

> >>

> >> Bye,

> >> Skybuck.

> >>

>

September 17, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

Is it known, then - or well defined, at which point the system considers

itself to be up?

Is it when it displays the log-in screen, or only after you've logged in?

Tony. . .

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:ECB3C2EC-9C31-419D-B87A-D1A047DF497C@microsoft.com...

> He's WAY past Last Known Good.

>

> Just so everyone understands what Last Known Good will do, let's add a

> little clarity here. Last Known Good reverts to the last time you were

able

> to log in to the machine. Once you log in, however horked up it may be,

it's

> too late. That last known good is GONE. And LKG is now pointing to the

> horked up login. Now restoring to a known good restore point is a

different

> kettle of fish, and can sometimes get you out of the hole. But LKG is of

> very limited use - mostly for when you've done something so bad that you

> can't even boot. With XP or Vista on a non-Domain network and a single

> account, the machine will automatically log you in if you don't have a

> password (are there really people trusting enough to run that way any

> more?!?), meaning that you're completely horked if it gets that far.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

> > Skybuck:

> > Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

> > Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last

Known

> > Good Configuration?

> > Carlos

> >

> > "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

> >

> >> Hello,

> >>

> >> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the loopback

> >> adapter trick.

> >>

> >> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

> >>

> >> 1. Removed all protocols.

> >>

> >> 2. Removed the network adapter.

> >>

> >> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

> >>

> >> 4. Rebooted.

> >>

> >> End result:

> >>

> >> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections panel.

> >>

> >> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

> >>

> >> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

> >>

> >> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

> >>

> >> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

> >>

> >> Lessons learned:

> >>

> >> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

> >>

> >> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

> >>

> >> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

> >>

> >> Final question:

> >>

> >> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

> >>

> >> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

> >>

> >> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is

straight

> >> into turdland :)

> >>

> >> Bye,

> >> Skybuck.

> >>

>

September 17, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

I don't think it resets the LKG until you actually log in. As John points

out, it's only a single registry key - HKLM\system\current control set.

--

Charlie.

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

news:uK9$PZM%23HHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Is it known, then - or well defined, at which point the system considers

> itself to be up?

>

> Is it when it displays the log-in screen, or only after you've logged in?

>

> Tony. . .

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> news:ECB3C2EC-9C31-419D-B87A-D1A047DF497C@microsoft.com...

>> He's WAY past Last Known Good.

>>

>> Just so everyone understands what Last Known Good will do, let's add a

>> little clarity here. Last Known Good reverts to the last time you were

> able

>> to log in to the machine. Once you log in, however horked up it may be,

> it's

>> too late. That last known good is GONE. And LKG is now pointing to the

>> horked up login. Now restoring to a known good restore point is a

> different

>> kettle of fish, and can sometimes get you out of the hole. But LKG is of

>> very limited use - mostly for when you've done something so bad that you

>> can't even boot. With XP or Vista on a non-Domain network and a single

>> account, the machine will automatically log you in if you don't have a

>> password (are there really people trusting enough to run that way any

>> more?!?), meaning that you're completely horked if it gets that far.

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

>> > Skybuck:

>> > Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

>> > Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last

> Known

>> > Good Configuration?

>> > Carlos

>> >

>> > "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Hello,

>> >>

>> >> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the loopback

>> >> adapter trick.

>> >>

>> >> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

>> >>

>> >> 1. Removed all protocols.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Removed the network adapter.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

>> >>

>> >> 4. Rebooted.

>> >>

>> >> End result:

>> >>

>> >> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections panel.

>> >>

>> >> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

>> >>

>> >> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

>> >>

>> >> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

>> >>

>> >> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

>> >>

>> >> Lessons learned:

>> >>

>> >> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

>> >>

>> >> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

>> >>

>> >> Final question:

>> >>

>> >> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

>> >>

>> >> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

>> >>

>> >> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is

> straight

>> >> into turdland :)

>> >>

>> >> Bye,

>> >> Skybuck.

>> >>

>>

>

September 17, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

yes, you're right so far as I know, just CCS is recovered. And yes, it will

recover frm a bad driver (as will the choice from F8 which is still there

even after LKG is reset, I believe.)

--

Charlie.

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

news:%230PgUrL%23HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> LKG only restores one registry key, not the whole registry, so if the

> problem is with any key except HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet you will have

> to use system restore. LKG also restores the previous driver situation,

> so it is good if a newly installed driver is suspected. System restore has

> the advantage of restoring the entire registry and system files in

> addition to the driver files.

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> news:ECB3C2EC-9C31-419D-B87A-D1A047DF497C@microsoft.com...

>> He's WAY past Last Known Good.

>> Just so everyone understands what Last Known Good will do, let's add a

>> little clarity here. Last Known Good reverts to the last time you were

>> able to log in to the machine. Once you log in, however horked up it may

>> be, it's too late. That last known good is GONE. And LKG is now pointing

>> to the horked up login. Now restoring to a known good restore point is a

>> different kettle of fish, and can sometimes get you out of the hole. But

>> LKG is of very limited use - mostly for when you've done something so bad

>> that you can't even boot. With XP or Vista on a non-Domain network and a

>> single account, the machine will automatically log you in if you don't

>> have a password (are there really people trusting enough to run that way

>> any more?!?), meaning that you're completely horked if it gets that far.

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

>>> Skybuck:

>>> Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

>>> Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last

>>> Known

>>> Good Configuration?

>>> Carlos

>>>

>>> "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Hello,

>>>>

>>>> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the loopback

>>>> adapter trick.

>>>>

>>>> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

>>>>

>>>> 1. Removed all protocols.

>>>>

>>>> 2. Removed the network adapter.

>>>>

>>>> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

>>>>

>>>> 4. Rebooted.

>>>>

>>>> End result:

>>>>

>>>> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections panel.

>>>>

>>>> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

>>>>

>>>> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

>>>>

>>>> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

>>>>

>>>> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

>>>>

>>>> Lessons learned:

>>>>

>>>> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

>>>>

>>>> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

>>>>

>>>> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

>>>>

>>>> Final question:

>>>>

>>>> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

>>>>

>>>> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

>>>>

>>>> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is

>>>> straight

>>>> into turdland :)

>>>>

>>>> Bye,

>>>> Skybuck.

>>>>

>>

>

September 17, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

See, I was a double major in college - chemistry and english. So every once

in a while I need to work on your vocabulary. <G>

--

Charlie.

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:6CD0CABD-A2DB-4247-911C-4265D547EBE1@microsoft.com...

> Charlie:

> I have just learnt two things from your post:

> 1.- The real use of LKG

> 2.- The meaning of the expression "horked up". Had to resort to Wikipedia

> in

> order to understand it

> Now, getting back to Skybuck's issue.

> He still has the System Restore alternative, right?

> Carlos

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>

>> He's WAY past Last Known Good.

>>

>> Just so everyone understands what Last Known Good will do, let's add a

>> little clarity here. Last Known Good reverts to the last time you were

>> able

>> to log in to the machine. Once you log in, however horked up it may be,

>> it's

>> too late. That last known good is GONE. And LKG is now pointing to the

>> horked up login. Now restoring to a known good restore point is a

>> different

>> kettle of fish, and can sometimes get you out of the hole. But LKG is of

>> very limited use - mostly for when you've done something so bad that you

>> can't even boot. With XP or Vista on a non-Domain network and a single

>> account, the machine will automatically log you in if you don't have a

>> password (are there really people trusting enough to run that way any

>> more?!?), meaning that you're completely horked if it gets that far.

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

>> > Skybuck:

>> > Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

>> > Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last

>> > Known

>> > Good Configuration?

>> > Carlos

>> >

>> > "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Hello,

>> >>

>> >> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the loopback

>> >> adapter trick.

>> >>

>> >> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

>> >>

>> >> 1. Removed all protocols.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Removed the network adapter.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

>> >>

>> >> 4. Rebooted.

>> >>

>> >> End result:

>> >>

>> >> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections panel.

>> >>

>> >> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

>> >>

>> >> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

>> >>

>> >> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

>> >>

>> >> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

>> >>

>> >> Lessons learned:

>> >>

>> >> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

>> >>

>> >> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

>> >>

>> >> Final question:

>> >>

>> >> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

>> >>

>> >> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

>> >>

>> >> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is

>> >> straight

>> >> into turdland :)

>> >>

>> >> Bye,

>> >> Skybuck.

>> >>

>>

September 17, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

Yes, I rather thought this might be the case. The point, however, is that I

don't think the LKG is all that useless - as some may come to understand

from the discussion. Since most operational parts of the system should be up

at log-in - in many cases this is most all you need even if it does not cure

all your problems at once.

If logging in crashes the machine, the admin account might still let you in

and/or by creating a new user you will have options open to the non-casual

user, at least.

Also - this key is not just a single binary number(?) this has to be a major

branch off the tree and there is (potentially?) huge masses of information

inside there!

Tony. . .

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:28C814FB-94A0-4BFE-8561-5EAE4246F9BD@microsoft.com...

> I don't think it resets the LKG until you actually log in. As John points

> out, it's only a single registry key - HKLM\system\current control set.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> news:uK9$PZM%23HHA.4180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > Is it known, then - or well defined, at which point the system considers

> > itself to be up?

> >

> > Is it when it displays the log-in screen, or only after you've logged

in?

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in

message

> > news:ECB3C2EC-9C31-419D-B87A-D1A047DF497C@microsoft.com...

> >> He's WAY past Last Known Good.

> >>

> >> Just so everyone understands what Last Known Good will do, let's add a

> >> little clarity here. Last Known Good reverts to the last time you were

> > able

> >> to log in to the machine. Once you log in, however horked up it may be,

> > it's

> >> too late. That last known good is GONE. And LKG is now pointing to the

> >> horked up login. Now restoring to a known good restore point is a

> > different

> >> kettle of fish, and can sometimes get you out of the hole. But LKG is

of

> >> very limited use - mostly for when you've done something so bad that

you

> >> can't even boot. With XP or Vista on a non-Domain network and a single

> >> account, the machine will automatically log you in if you don't have a

> >> password (are there really people trusting enough to run that way any

> >> more?!?), meaning that you're completely horked if it gets that far.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Charlie.

> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >>

> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

> >> > Skybuck:

> >> > Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

> >> > Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last

> > Known

> >> > Good Configuration?

> >> > Carlos

> >> >

> >> > "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> Hello,

> >> >>

> >> >> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the

loopback

> >> >> adapter trick.

> >> >>

> >> >> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

> >> >>

> >> >> 1. Removed all protocols.

> >> >>

> >> >> 2. Removed the network adapter.

> >> >>

> >> >> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

> >> >>

> >> >> 4. Rebooted.

> >> >>

> >> >> End result:

> >> >>

> >> >> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections

panel.

> >> >>

> >> >> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

> >> >>

> >> >> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

> >> >>

> >> >> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

> >> >>

> >> >> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

> >> >>

> >> >> Lessons learned:

> >> >>

> >> >> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

> >> >>

> >> >> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

> >> >>

> >> >> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

> >> >>

> >> >> Final question:

> >> >>

> >> >> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

> >> >>

> >> >> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

> >> >>

> >> >> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is

> > straight

> >> >> into turdland :)

> >> >>

> >> >> Bye,

> >> >> Skybuck.

> >> >>

> >>

> >

>

September 17, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

Charlie:

Here's MSFT official word on LKG configuration:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307852/en-us

Carlos

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> yes, you're right so far as I know, just CCS is recovered. And yes, it will

> recover frm a bad driver (as will the choice from F8 which is still there

> even after LKG is reset, I believe.)

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

> news:%230PgUrL%23HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > LKG only restores one registry key, not the whole registry, so if the

> > problem is with any key except HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet you will have

> > to use system restore. LKG also restores the previous driver situation,

> > so it is good if a newly installed driver is suspected. System restore has

> > the advantage of restoring the entire registry and system files in

> > addition to the driver files.

> >

> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> > news:ECB3C2EC-9C31-419D-B87A-D1A047DF497C@microsoft.com...

> >> He's WAY past Last Known Good.

> >> Just so everyone understands what Last Known Good will do, let's add a

> >> little clarity here. Last Known Good reverts to the last time you were

> >> able to log in to the machine. Once you log in, however horked up it may

> >> be, it's too late. That last known good is GONE. And LKG is now pointing

> >> to the horked up login. Now restoring to a known good restore point is a

> >> different kettle of fish, and can sometimes get you out of the hole. But

> >> LKG is of very limited use - mostly for when you've done something so bad

> >> that you can't even boot. With XP or Vista on a non-Domain network and a

> >> single account, the machine will automatically log you in if you don't

> >> have a password (are there really people trusting enough to run that way

> >> any more?!?), meaning that you're completely horked if it gets that far.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Charlie.

> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >>

> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

> >>> Skybuck:

> >>> Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

> >>> Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last

> >>> Known

> >>> Good Configuration?

> >>> Carlos

> >>>

> >>> "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> Hello,

> >>>>

> >>>> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the loopback

> >>>> adapter trick.

> >>>>

> >>>> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

> >>>>

> >>>> 1. Removed all protocols.

> >>>>

> >>>> 2. Removed the network adapter.

> >>>>

> >>>> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

> >>>>

> >>>> 4. Rebooted.

> >>>>

> >>>> End result:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections panel.

> >>>>

> >>>> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

> >>>>

> >>>> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

> >>>>

> >>>> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

> >>>>

> >>>> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

> >>>>

> >>>> Lessons learned:

> >>>>

> >>>> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

> >>>>

> >>>> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

> >>>>

> >>>> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

> >>>>

> >>>> Final question:

> >>>>

> >>>> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

> >>>>

> >>>> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

> >>>>

> >>>> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is

> >>>> straight

> >>>> into turdland :)

> >>>>

> >>>> Bye,

> >>>> Skybuck.

> >>>>

> >>

> >

>

September 17, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

One thing this article shows is how lucky we are to have Charlie posting

here. This article is muddled and hard to pick out just what is and what

isn't replaced and when to use it. Charlie's posts are clear, concise and

work.

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:B369EDC6-3D39-4143-B85A-2CF5274FC2E6@microsoft.com...

> Charlie:

> Here's MSFT official word on LKG configuration:

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307852/en-us

> Carlos

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>

>> yes, you're right so far as I know, just CCS is recovered. And yes, it

>> will

>> recover frm a bad driver (as will the choice from F8 which is still there

>> even after LKG is reset, I believe.)

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

>> news:%230PgUrL%23HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> > LKG only restores one registry key, not the whole registry, so if the

>> > problem is with any key except HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet you will

>> > have

>> > to use system restore. LKG also restores the previous driver

>> > situation,

>> > so it is good if a newly installed driver is suspected. System restore

>> > has

>> > the advantage of restoring the entire registry and system files in

>> > addition to the driver files.

>> >

>> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in

>> > message

>> > news:ECB3C2EC-9C31-419D-B87A-D1A047DF497C@microsoft.com...

>> >> He's WAY past Last Known Good.

>> >> Just so everyone understands what Last Known Good will do, let's add a

>> >> little clarity here. Last Known Good reverts to the last time you were

>> >> able to log in to the machine. Once you log in, however horked up it

>> >> may

>> >> be, it's too late. That last known good is GONE. And LKG is now

>> >> pointing

>> >> to the horked up login. Now restoring to a known good restore point is

>> >> a

>> >> different kettle of fish, and can sometimes get you out of the hole.

>> >> But

>> >> LKG is of very limited use - mostly for when you've done something so

>> >> bad

>> >> that you can't even boot. With XP or Vista on a non-Domain network and

>> >> a

>> >> single account, the machine will automatically log you in if you don't

>> >> have a password (are there really people trusting enough to run that

>> >> way

>> >> any more?!?), meaning that you're completely horked if it gets that

>> >> far.

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >> Charlie.

>> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>> >>

>> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

>> >>> Skybuck:

>> >>> Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

>> >>> Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last

>> >>> Known

>> >>> Good Configuration?

>> >>> Carlos

>> >>>

>> >>> "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

>> >>>

>> >>>> Hello,

>> >>>>

>> >>>> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the

>> >>>> loopback

>> >>>> adapter trick.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 1. Removed all protocols.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 2. Removed the network adapter.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 4. Rebooted.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> End result:

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections

>> >>>> panel.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Lessons learned:

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

>> >>>>

>> >>>> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Final question:

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is

>> >>>> straight

>> >>>> into turdland :)

>> >>>>

>> >>>> Bye,

>> >>>> Skybuck.

>> >>>>

>> >>

>> >

>>

September 17, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

Reverting to last known configuration sounds dangerous.

Maybe loose files, loose settings.

I tried it, it's worse.

Black screen only.

Little bit better is:

Safe mode.

But it wasn't much use, safe mode not allowed if vista not activated.

Stupid thing is it goes back to login screen instead of rebooting.

Terrible drag.

Bye,

Skybuck.

September 17, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

John:

Agreed.

Charlie-San posts enlighten us.

:)

Carlos

"John Barnes" wrote:

> One thing this article shows is how lucky we are to have Charlie posting

> here. This article is muddled and hard to pick out just what is and what

> isn't replaced and when to use it. Charlie's posts are clear, concise and

> work.

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:B369EDC6-3D39-4143-B85A-2CF5274FC2E6@microsoft.com...

> > Charlie:

> > Here's MSFT official word on LKG configuration:

> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307852/en-us

> > Carlos

> >

> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> >

> >> yes, you're right so far as I know, just CCS is recovered. And yes, it

> >> will

> >> recover frm a bad driver (as will the choice from F8 which is still there

> >> even after LKG is reset, I believe.)

> >>

> >> --

> >> Charlie.

> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >>

> >> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

> >> news:%230PgUrL%23HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >> > LKG only restores one registry key, not the whole registry, so if the

> >> > problem is with any key except HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet you will

> >> > have

> >> > to use system restore. LKG also restores the previous driver

> >> > situation,

> >> > so it is good if a newly installed driver is suspected. System restore

> >> > has

> >> > the advantage of restoring the entire registry and system files in

> >> > addition to the driver files.

> >> >

> >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in

> >> > message

> >> > news:ECB3C2EC-9C31-419D-B87A-D1A047DF497C@microsoft.com...

> >> >> He's WAY past Last Known Good.

> >> >> Just so everyone understands what Last Known Good will do, let's add a

> >> >> little clarity here. Last Known Good reverts to the last time you were

> >> >> able to log in to the machine. Once you log in, however horked up it

> >> >> may

> >> >> be, it's too late. That last known good is GONE. And LKG is now

> >> >> pointing

> >> >> to the horked up login. Now restoring to a known good restore point is

> >> >> a

> >> >> different kettle of fish, and can sometimes get you out of the hole.

> >> >> But

> >> >> LKG is of very limited use - mostly for when you've done something so

> >> >> bad

> >> >> that you can't even boot. With XP or Vista on a non-Domain network and

> >> >> a

> >> >> single account, the machine will automatically log you in if you don't

> >> >> have a password (are there really people trusting enough to run that

> >> >> way

> >> >> any more?!?), meaning that you're completely horked if it gets that

> >> >> far.

> >> >>

> >> >> --

> >> >> Charlie.

> >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >> >>

> >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:E7F2A20C-8E67-4045-99F9-4654A3593B95@microsoft.com...

> >> >>> Skybuck:

> >> >>> Don't you have a restore point prior to your disgrace?

> >> >>> Can you access the Vista boot options (pressing F8) and select "Last

> >> >>> Known

> >> >>> Good Configuration?

> >> >>> Carlos

> >> >>>

> >> >>> "Skybuck Flying" wrote:

> >> >>>

> >> >>>> Hello,

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> I was trying to get the network working in virtual pc via the

> >> >>>> loopback

> >> >>>> adapter trick.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Vista was already "running" so I did this:

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 1. Removed all protocols.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 2. Removed the network adapter.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 3. Vista immediately re-installed the network adapter.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 4. Rebooted.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> End result:

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Dead tcp/ip stack, dead control panel, dead network connections

> >> >>>> panel.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 5. Vista complains non genuine vista..

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 6. Tried the repair options, wasted 15 minutes of time.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 7. Rebooted one more time, did not help wasted some more time.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 8. Finally vista says it's going into reduced mode.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Lessons learned:

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 1. Don't remove all protocols.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 2. Vista can't repair stack like XP ?

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> 3. Vista is worse than crap.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Final question:

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Will Vista work on a stand alone PC ?

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Or must it be connected to the allmight Big Brother Microsoft ?

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Just out of curiosity since only place Vista is going for me is

> >> >>>> straight

> >> >>>> into turdland :)

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> Bye,

> >> >>>> Skybuck.

> >> >>>>

> >> >>

> >> >

> >>

>

September 18, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

LKG isn't "dangerous", or shouldn't be. It just isn't always successful.

Certainly there's no "loose" files or settings. What happens is that it

replaces the "HKLM\system\CurrentControlSet" registry hive.

Now, if you didn't have a clean shutdown, that can be an issue as well. But

even so, there's nothing loose that I can see.

First step to recovery - try LKG.

Second, Go to safe mode if you can, and use a restore point. Or manually fix

the problem if you know what's horked.

Everything else is worse.

--

Charlie.

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Skybuck Flying" <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:fcm0pf$sjp$1@news5.zwoll1.ov.home.nl...

> Reverting to last known configuration sounds dangerous.

>

> Maybe loose files, loose settings.

>

> I tried it, it's worse.

>

> Black screen only.

>

> Little bit better is:

>

> Safe mode.

>

> But it wasn't much use, safe mode not allowed if vista not activated.

>

> Stupid thing is it goes back to login screen instead of rebooting.

>

> Terrible drag.

>

> Bye,

> Skybuck.

>

September 18, 2007

Re: Vista crapped out in Virtual PC.

aw, shucks....

--

Charlie.