Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

[Guest jwkh]

jwkh

[Guest DL]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

In a server group, assuming that from your last post

 

"jwkh" <jwkh@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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[Guest Bob I]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

They are volunteers, with real lives too.

 

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[Guest jwkh]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

I know, but they shouldn't volunteer if they aren't going to be here. I'd at

least like a "you need to be in that group," or "MS doesn't have a fix," or

"we (I) have no idea."

 

Of course, I'm acting out of frustration. I've posted dozens of times and

have less than, maybe, a 15 percent response from any of them. Yet MS has a

Web page touting them, with "profiles" of about half a dozen.

 

MVP - the V stands for valuable. The implies value. There's no value in

them not responding to as many questions as possible. Someone with the MVP

"circle" should be checking to see if these questions are being addressed.

If not, why even have the MVP program?

 

And as to they have real lives too. So do I, and that life includes my

family, myself and work, usually in that order. I do pretty well at

balancing all, and I put in a lot of hours for all of them.

 

jwkh

 

 

"Bob I" wrote:

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[Guest Derald]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting

twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going

unread.

[Guest jwkh]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

Derald,

 

I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I

have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I don't

fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about.

 

Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the

grunts (other members).

 

I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I

see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.

 

It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little

support.

 

That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.

 

jwkh

 

 

"Derald" wrote:

> Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting

> twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going

> unread.

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[Guest Bob I]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

The MVP award is for the contributions in the previous year, nothing

more, nothing less, and has no bearing on future replies. They

volunteered their time to answer the questions they did answer. And

nobody can speak for someone else, and since this is a public group, is

certainly would be stupid for everyone that read your question to reply

that "they didn't know". Now, just what makes you think you worthy of an

answer? Perhaps you should consider what effort you put in as against

what you seem to expect in return. And remember people only reply when

they have something to say. Also, you may want to post under a different

pseudonym for best future response.

 

 

 

jwkh wrote:

> I know, but they shouldn't volunteer if they aren't going to be here. I'd at

> least like a "you need to be in that group," or "MS doesn't have a fix," or

> "we (I) have no idea."

>

> Of course, I'm acting out of frustration. I've posted dozens of times and

> have less than, maybe, a 15 percent response from any of them. Yet MS has a

> Web page touting them, with "profiles" of about half a dozen.

>

> MVP - the V stands for valuable. The implies value. There's no value in

> them not responding to as many questions as possible. Someone with the MVP

> "circle" should be checking to see if these questions are being addressed.

> If not, why even have the MVP program?

>

> And as to they have real lives too. So do I, and that life includes my

> family, myself and work, usually in that order. I do pretty well at

> balancing all, and I put in a lot of hours for all of them.

>

> jwkh

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> "Bob I" wrote:

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>>They are volunteers, with real lives too.

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>>jwkh wrote:

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[Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

....and, since it's a peer-to-peer newsgroup, there are many, many other

persons who can answer questions other than just MVPs.

 

Tom

"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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| The MVP award is for the contributions in the previous year, nothing

| more, nothing less, and has no bearing on future replies. They

| volunteered their time to answer the questions they did answer. And

| nobody can speak for someone else, and since this is a public group, is

| certainly would be stupid for everyone that read your question to reply

| that "they didn't know". Now, just what makes you think you worthy of an

| answer? Perhaps you should consider what effort you put in as against

| what you seem to expect in return. And remember people only reply when

| they have something to say. Also, you may want to post under a different

| pseudonym for best future response.

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|

| jwkh wrote:

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| > I know, but they shouldn't volunteer if they aren't going to be here.

I'd at

| > least like a "you need to be in that group," or "MS doesn't have a fix,"

or

| > "we (I) have no idea."

| >

| > Of course, I'm acting out of frustration. I've posted dozens of times

and

| > have less than, maybe, a 15 percent response from any of them. Yet MS

has a

| > Web page touting them, with "profiles" of about half a dozen.

| >

| > MVP - the V stands for valuable. The implies value. There's no value

in

| > them not responding to as many questions as possible. Someone with the

MVP

| > "circle" should be checking to see if these questions are being

addressed.

| > If not, why even have the MVP program?

| >

| > And as to they have real lives too. So do I, and that life includes my

| > family, myself and work, usually in that order. I do pretty well at

| > balancing all, and I put in a lot of hours for all of them.

| >

| > jwkh

| >

| >

| > "Bob I" wrote:

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| >>They are volunteers, with real lives too.

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| >>jwkh wrote:

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| >>>jwkh

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[Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

MVPs are *not* required to answer your questions.

 

"jwkh" <jwkh@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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| Derald,

|

| I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I

| have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I

don't

| fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about.

|

| Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the

| grunts (other members).

|

| I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I

| see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.

|

| It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little

| support.

|

| That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.

|

| jwkh

|

|

| "Derald" wrote:

|

| > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting

| > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going

| > unread.

| >

| >

[Guest jwkh]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

Let's see: this is a volunteer program supported (AND advertised) by MS as a

means of support. BUT the volunteer may pick and choose, or not do anything

at all? Then why have the program? Why be a "volunteer?" I did a lot of

volunteer work about 10 years ago. I didn't pick and choose; I helped

everyone in the line the best I could. And when I couldn't help, they had a

reason...like it or not...they had someone saying something.

 

I feel the MVP program is a MS sham. Just another way to push people into

support that's often worthless and just to get them to pay for support that

should be part of the product purchase.

 

That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.

 

jwkh

 

"Tom [Pepper] Willett" wrote:

> MVPs are *not* required to answer your questions.

>

> "jwkh" <jwkh@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:80C74FAF-6E85-4B60-8B4B-ABF1AD410580@microsoft.com...

> | Derald,

> |

> | I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I

> | have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I

> don't

> | fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about.

> |

> | Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the

> | grunts (other members).

> |

> | I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I

> | see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.

> |

> | It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little

> | support.

> |

> | That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.

> |

> | jwkh

> |

> |

> | "Derald" wrote:

> |

> | > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting

> | > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going

> | > unread.

> | >

> | >

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[Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

Nobody is required to give you a response. And, with your attitude, you're

lucky to get any.

 

"jwkh" <jwkh@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:DD15EC45-AA2A-4AFB-B69C-0C45C2AB76F4@microsoft.com...

| Let's see: this is a volunteer program supported (AND advertised) by MS

as a

| means of support. BUT the volunteer may pick and choose, or not do

anything

| at all? Then why have the program? Why be a "volunteer?" I did a lot of

| volunteer work about 10 years ago. I didn't pick and choose; I helped

| everyone in the line the best I could. And when I couldn't help, they had

a

| reason...like it or not...they had someone saying something.

|

| I feel the MVP program is a MS sham. Just another way to push people into

| support that's often worthless and just to get them to pay for support

that

| should be part of the product purchase.

|

| That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.

|

| jwkh

|

| "Tom [Pepper] Willett" wrote:

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| > MVPs are *not* required to answer your questions.

| >

| > "jwkh" <jwkh@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > news:80C74FAF-6E85-4B60-8B4B-ABF1AD410580@microsoft.com...

| > | Derald,

| > |

| > | I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often.

I

| > | have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something

I

| > don't

| > | fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really

about.

| > |

| > | Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from

the

| > | grunts (other members).

| > |

| > | I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs,

but I

| > | see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.

| > |

| > | It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is

little

| > | support.

| > |

| > | That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.

| > |

| > | jwkh

| > |

| > |

| > | "Derald" wrote:

| > |

| > | > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of

top-posting

| > | > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going

| > | > unread.

| > | >

| > | >

| >

| >

| >

[Guest Herbert Eppel]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

On 18.10.2007 14:39 UK Time, Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:

> Nobody is required to give you a response. And, with your attitude, you're

> lucky to get any.

 

Hear, hear!

 

I don't come here that often and I'm not sure what caused "jwkh"'s

twisted attitude, but FWIW whenever I post a question here (or at

microsoft.public.word.application.errors, microsoft.public.access or

microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support) I'm impressed with the

helpfulness of the replies from MVPs and others, which is all the more

remarkable and commendable in view of the fact that I'm a actually a

Mozilla/open source fan (but nevertheless use Windows for my daily work

because my main software from atril.com depends on it).

 

In other words, credit where credit is due, and I regularly say so and

recommend these groups and/or quote solutions posted here in other forums.

 

--

Herbert Eppel

http://www.HETranslation.co.uk

[Guest jwkh]

RE: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

I owe a lot of people an apology. And I do apologize. But the fact remains

that I have serious concerns about MS support in its entirety. And this was

the wrong place to express that.

 

I always use the MS Knowledgebase first, then I read these groups a few

weeks back before I ask a question.

 

However, it's become pretty evident it's more cost effective for me to just

pay the $245 for direct MS support.

 

And when I do come back here to ask a question, I will NOT change my so

called pseudonym. (It is merely the 4 initials of my full name.) If people

do not respond to my questions because of my recent comments, it'll just

confirm my current concerns about the MS support alternatives.

 

jwkh

 

 

 

"jwkh" wrote:

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[Guest Dave Patrick]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

Or try the MSDN managed groups

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jan02/01-31vsnet.mspx

 

or the partner Microsoft Managed Newsgroups

https://partner.microsoft.com/40011586

 

 

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Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.

Microsoft Certified Professional

Microsoft MVP [Windows]

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[Guest jwkh]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

I really appreciate your information. I'm going to give both a try.

 

Thanks,

 

jwkh

 

 

"Dave Patrick" wrote:

> Or try the MSDN managed groups

> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jan02/01-31vsnet.mspx

>

> or the partner Microsoft Managed Newsgroups

> https://partner.microsoft.com/40011586

>

>

> --

>

> Regards,

>

> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.

> Microsoft Certified Professional

> Microsoft MVP [Windows]

> http://www.microsoft.com/protect

>

[Guest Ven]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

Hey! Chil out dude! We all know ur frustuated just because you did not get

any ansnwer for your queries. Well, so do a lot of people - Some of my

earlier posts did not get a response. So what's the big deal ??? - I just

tried other sources and got an answer.

We are getting genuine reply from the MVP's - that mean they are spending

their quality time in helping us - so we should be thankful to them. Forget

about what MS has got to do with it.

There are a lot of websites in the Internet posting solutions to various

issues - but mind you - they might not be authentic. Its always a risk to

try their solutions.

Atleast here u are safe and you are avoiding spending $$$'s to MS for a

quick reply.

 

If anybody has problem with this kind of support then go elsewhere - but

please dont waste ur time and the MVP's.

 

Whatever support the MVP's have given me have worked. I respect and

appreciate that.

 

Thanks

Ven

 

 

 

"jwkh" <jwkh@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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>I owe a lot of people an apology. And I do apologize. But the fact

>remains

> that I have serious concerns about MS support in its entirety. And this

> was

> the wrong place to express that.

>

> I always use the MS Knowledgebase first, then I read these groups a few

> weeks back before I ask a question.

>

> However, it's become pretty evident it's more cost effective for me to

> just

> pay the $245 for direct MS support.

>

> And when I do come back here to ask a question, I will NOT change my so

> called pseudonym. (It is merely the 4 initials of my full name.) If

> people

> do not respond to my questions because of my recent comments, it'll just

> confirm my current concerns about the MS support alternatives.

>

> jwkh

>

>

>

> "jwkh" wrote:

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>> jwkh

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[Guest Enkidu]

Re: Where are the MVPs MS touts so much?

 

jwkh wrote:

> Derald,

>

> I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I

> have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I don't

> fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about.

>

> Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the

> grunts (other members).

>

> I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I

> see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.

>

> It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little

> support.

>

> That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.

>

MVPs (I was one) are rewarded for contributions in many areas and not

just this forum. Also, those who do contribute to this forum are

contributing on the same basis as anyone else - as a poster - and not

because they are required to answer questions. However you may get a

better or more accurate response from an MVP than from another poster.

 

Microsoft do not support the MVP program - the MVP is an award for

services to the community by individuals from MS. MVPs do not get paid,

and contribute their time for free.

 

There aren't that many MVPs either - last time I looked there were

20,000 - and few of them are actually awarded the MVP for contributions

in the forums.

 

Cheers,

 

Cliff

 

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