Att. John Barnes!

[Guest Tony Sperling]

John,

 

I remember you used to be on a Modem Connection - apparently, you have got

yourself something else since. What is that?

 

Here, in Denmark the Power Service Distributors have started putting

Broadband onto their power lines, it just needs 'copper', as I understand.

 

I am about to be fed-up with the big city life and may seek out some

property out in the big forrests somewhere and would like to gather some of

the options in advance - I understand you are living in a not so densely

populated area yourself?

 

 

Tony. . .

[Guest Jud Hendrix]

Re: Att. John Barnes!

 

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:23:25 +0200, "Tony Sperling"

<tony.sperling@db<REMOVE>mail.dk> wrote:

>Here, in Denmark the Power Service Distributors have started putting

>Broadband onto their power lines, it just needs 'copper', as I understand.

 

Please, do us radio-amateurs a favourite, and do not get into powerlined

internet. It causes quite a lot of interference on our bands. It should be

banned all over the world. Just get cable or ADSL :-D

>I am about to be fed-up with the big city life and may seek out some

>property out in the big forrests somewhere and would like to gather some of

>the options in advance - I understand you are living in a not so densely

>populated area yourself?

 

I saw in Australia they offer broadband via satellite. Upload via your

phone, download via sat. Maybe they offer that in Denmark?

 

jud

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: Att. John Barnes!

 

Oh, I was not aware of any such interference, Jud - I will certainly keep

this in mind. In the final end I may decide to completely ignore this, of

course, but in the mean-while, I'll keep this in mind! Good point!

 

Yes, I know about satellite, if you can pay you can have almost anything you

can imagine of course, and wireless is on the 'go' as well, but I have a

suspicion that these are targeted very much at businesses? Things move

quickly, though, and I have not followed up on the costs lately.

 

I have cable now, but living like that it would be pretty much out of the

question, in most cases this requires a community that can split the cost of

having a cable in the first place.

 

Yes, satellite would be fine, but what will a subscription amount to, now

that they are nearly giving away high-speed cable connections (the

not-quite-broadband-type!)

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

"Jud Hendrix" <none@none.com> wrote in message

news:g4ojh3to67co3njaqf5ij1k2ivlbqb19tq@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:23:25 +0200, "Tony Sperling"

> <tony.sperling@db<REMOVE>mail.dk> wrote:

>

>>Here, in Denmark the Power Service Distributors have started putting

>>Broadband onto their power lines, it just needs 'copper', as I understand.

>

> Please, do us radio-amateurs a favourite, and do not get into powerlined

> internet. It causes quite a lot of interference on our bands. It should be

> banned all over the world. Just get cable or ADSL :-D

>

>>I am about to be fed-up with the big city life and may seek out some

>>property out in the big forrests somewhere and would like to gather some

>>of

>>the options in advance - I understand you are living in a not so densely

>>populated area yourself?

>

> I saw in Australia they offer broadband via satellite. Upload via your

> phone, download via sat. Maybe they offer that in Denmark?

>

> jud

[Guest John Barnes]

Re: Att. John Barnes!

 

Hi Tony,

 

A couple of years ago, I found a site where I could install a satellite

antenna without having to cut down any trees. I am about 10 miles from both

cable and DSL availability and 5 miles from the closest wireless, so for me

it was 20-22k dial-up or satellite, 3 choices. One like Jud mentioned and 2

with both directions via dish. No power line available here.

One has a rolling monthly bandwidth limit and the other a rolling daily.

The cost is ridiculous as well as the bandwidth, but I like to listen to

internet radio during part of the day (again satellite radio is okay, but

not totally) and over the air is useless (too many hills). My current

service is $70 mo for 375mb daily (425 max any plan) and 1Mbps download

(actual file download speed of 120 kbps) 200kbps upload. They do have a 3

hour unlimited, at the moment, download window overnight.

Incidentally, I love the country and wouldn't move back to the city except

for health reasons if they should develop. The current 100 mile air

ambulance ride and closest dialysis center would be impractical for anyone

with serious heart or kidney problems.

 

"Tony Sperling mail.dk>" <tony.sperling@db<REMOVE> wrote in message

news:OxZ9v0wEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Oh, I was not aware of any such interference, Jud - I will certainly keep

> this in mind. In the final end I may decide to completely ignore this, of

> course, but in the mean-while, I'll keep this in mind! Good point!

>

> Yes, I know about satellite, if you can pay you can have almost anything

> you can imagine of course, and wireless is on the 'go' as well, but I have

> a suspicion that these are targeted very much at businesses? Things move

> quickly, though, and I have not followed up on the costs lately.

>

> I have cable now, but living like that it would be pretty much out of the

> question, in most cases this requires a community that can split the cost

> of having a cable in the first place.

>

> Yes, satellite would be fine, but what will a subscription amount to, now

> that they are nearly giving away high-speed cable connections (the

> not-quite-broadband-type!)

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

> "Jud Hendrix" <none@none.com> wrote in message

> news:g4ojh3to67co3njaqf5ij1k2ivlbqb19tq@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:23:25 +0200, "Tony Sperling"

>> <tony.sperling@db<REMOVE>mail.dk> wrote:

>>

>>>Here, in Denmark the Power Service Distributors have started putting

>>>Broadband onto their power lines, it just needs 'copper', as I

>>>understand.

>>

>> Please, do us radio-amateurs a favourite, and do not get into powerlined

>> internet. It causes quite a lot of interference on our bands. It should

>> be

>> banned all over the world. Just get cable or ADSL :-D

>>

>>>I am about to be fed-up with the big city life and may seek out some

>>>property out in the big forrests somewhere and would like to gather some

>>>of

>>>the options in advance - I understand you are living in a not so densely

>>>populated area yourself?

>>

>> I saw in Australia they offer broadband via satellite. Upload via your

>> phone, download via sat. Maybe they offer that in Denmark?

>>

>> jud

>

>

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: Att. John Barnes!

 

Wow! I expected something awfull, and that is not an apparent bargain, but

it is also not the worst-case scenario after all. Pragmatism has a natural

starting-point. The download limits are a turn-off, of course - if you want

to go for a DVD size ISO, how much would that raise your bill?

 

The 1Mbps is O.K. (I have 10) though I am mildly surprised at your effective

speed, I didn't expect it to fall that much with probably not so many

fighting over the available bandwidth, I guess that low usage in your area

doesn't mean the satellite isn't busy. The efficiency on my cable is swaying

violently, I've spent more than six hours downloading a DVD once - on the

average it would take 1½ hour, but I remember the day XP x64 trial was

released, suddenly everybody around was logging off, or something, because I

had that one down and burned within 10 Min. I've only seen something similar

on one or two other occasions. I pay less than $60 at the current rate, I

know I will not match that out in the wild.

 

Oh, yeah - Internet Radio! I love that too - fortunately Danish Radio has an

exemplary service in that department - 22 round-the-clock free stations, and

all of them free of advertising and almost no, or very little talk! Amazing!

 

Well, thanks John! There's food for thought - except - the subscription; did

they deliver the disk and the router with your account? And is that a

standard router, or a $400 something that nobody else will ever use?

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

news:%23rNSP5yEIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Hi Tony,

>

> A couple of years ago, I found a site where I could install a satellite

> antenna without having to cut down any trees. I am about 10 miles from

> both cable and DSL availability and 5 miles from the closest wireless, so

> for me it was 20-22k dial-up or satellite, 3 choices. One like Jud

> mentioned and 2 with both directions via dish. No power line available

> here.

> One has a rolling monthly bandwidth limit and the other a rolling daily.

> The cost is ridiculous as well as the bandwidth, but I like to listen to

> internet radio during part of the day (again satellite radio is okay, but

> not totally) and over the air is useless (too many hills). My current

> service is $70 mo for 375mb daily (425 max any plan) and 1Mbps download

> (actual file download speed of 120 kbps) 200kbps upload. They do have a 3

> hour unlimited, at the moment, download window overnight.

> Incidentally, I love the country and wouldn't move back to the city except

> for health reasons if they should develop. The current 100 mile air

> ambulance ride and closest dialysis center would be impractical for anyone

> with serious heart or kidney problems.

>

> "Tony Sperling mail.dk>" <tony.sperling@db<REMOVE> wrote in message

> news:OxZ9v0wEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Oh, I was not aware of any such interference, Jud - I will certainly

>> keep this in mind. In the final end I may decide to completely ignore

>> this, of course, but in the mean-while, I'll keep this in mind! Good

>> point!

>>

>> Yes, I know about satellite, if you can pay you can have almost anything

>> you can imagine of course, and wireless is on the 'go' as well, but I

>> have a suspicion that these are targeted very much at businesses? Things

>> move quickly, though, and I have not followed up on the costs lately.

>>

>> I have cable now, but living like that it would be pretty much out of the

>> question, in most cases this requires a community that can split the cost

>> of having a cable in the first place.

>>

>> Yes, satellite would be fine, but what will a subscription amount to, now

>> that they are nearly giving away high-speed cable connections (the

>> not-quite-broadband-type!)

>>

>>

>> Tony. . .

>>

>>

>> "Jud Hendrix" <none@none.com> wrote in message

>> news:g4ojh3to67co3njaqf5ij1k2ivlbqb19tq@4ax.com...

>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:23:25 +0200, "Tony Sperling"

>>> <tony.sperling@db<REMOVE>mail.dk> wrote:

>>>

>>>>Here, in Denmark the Power Service Distributors have started putting

>>>>Broadband onto their power lines, it just needs 'copper', as I

>>>>understand.

>>>

>>> Please, do us radio-amateurs a favourite, and do not get into powerlined

>>> internet. It causes quite a lot of interference on our bands. It should

>>> be

>>> banned all over the world. Just get cable or ADSL :-D

>>>

>>>>I am about to be fed-up with the big city life and may seek out some

>>>>property out in the big forrests somewhere and would like to gather some

>>>>of

>>>>the options in advance - I understand you are living in a not so densely

>>>>populated area yourself?

>>>

>>> I saw in Australia they offer broadband via satellite. Upload via your

>>> phone, download via sat. Maybe they offer that in Denmark?

>>>

>>> jud

>>

>>

>

[Guest Carlos]

Re: Att. John Barnes!

 

Jud:

Is that interference "airborne" or mains related?

Have you tried placing a "line filter" between the wall socket and your radio?

Carlos

 

"Jud Hendrix" wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:23:25 +0200, "Tony Sperling"

> <tony.sperling@db<REMOVE>mail.dk> wrote:

>

> >Here, in Denmark the Power Service Distributors have started putting

> >Broadband onto their power lines, it just needs 'copper', as I understand.

>

> Please, do us radio-amateurs a favourite, and do not get into powerlined

> internet. It causes quite a lot of interference on our bands. It should be

> banned all over the world. Just get cable or ADSL :-D

>

> >I am about to be fed-up with the big city life and may seek out some

> >property out in the big forrests somewhere and would like to gather some of

> >the options in advance - I understand you are living in a not so densely

> >populated area yourself?

>

> I saw in Australia they offer broadband via satellite. Upload via your

> phone, download via sat. Maybe they offer that in Denmark?

>

> jud

>

[Guest John Barnes]

Re: Att. John Barnes!

 

Up front equipment and installation run from $350 to $500 with a commitment

of 12-24 months. No option for extra bandwidth. One cuts you off for 24

hours and the other reduces speed to around 100kbps until you reduce your

rolling monthly allowance by 10%. You can use the 3 hours free each night

to download quite a bit. The other one you just have to ration your monthly

allowance and a DVD full would be 1/3 of your months allowance on the $80 mo

plan, and you would have to be very careful the rest of the month.

 

"Tony Sperling mail.dk>" <tony.sperling@db<REMOVE> wrote in message

news:Oiz%238J0EIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Wow! I expected something awfull, and that is not an apparent bargain, but

> it is also not the worst-case scenario after all. Pragmatism has a natural

> starting-point. The download limits are a turn-off, of course - if you

> want to go for a DVD size ISO, how much would that raise your bill?

>

> The 1Mbps is O.K. (I have 10) though I am mildly surprised at your

> effective speed, I didn't expect it to fall that much with probably not so

> many fighting over the available bandwidth, I guess that low usage in your

> area doesn't mean the satellite isn't busy. The efficiency on my cable is

> swaying violently, I've spent more than six hours downloading a DVD once -

> on the average it would take 1½ hour, but I remember the day XP x64 trial

> was released, suddenly everybody around was logging off, or something,

> because I had that one down and burned within 10 Min. I've only seen

> something similar on one or two other occasions. I pay less than $60 at

> the current rate, I know I will not match that out in the wild.

>

> Oh, yeah - Internet Radio! I love that too - fortunately Danish Radio has

> an exemplary service in that department - 22 round-the-clock free

> stations, and all of them free of advertising and almost no, or very

> little talk! Amazing!

>

> Well, thanks John! There's food for thought - except - the subscription;

> did they deliver the disk and the router with your account? And is that a

> standard router, or a $400 something that nobody else will ever use?

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

> news:%23rNSP5yEIHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Hi Tony,

>>

>> A couple of years ago, I found a site where I could install a satellite

>> antenna without having to cut down any trees. I am about 10 miles from

>> both cable and DSL availability and 5 miles from the closest wireless, so

>> for me it was 20-22k dial-up or satellite, 3 choices. One like Jud

>> mentioned and 2 with both directions via dish. No power line available

>> here.

>> One has a rolling monthly bandwidth limit and the other a rolling daily.

>> The cost is ridiculous as well as the bandwidth, but I like to listen to

>> internet radio during part of the day (again satellite radio is okay, but

>> not totally) and over the air is useless (too many hills). My current

>> service is $70 mo for 375mb daily (425 max any plan) and 1Mbps download

>> (actual file download speed of 120 kbps) 200kbps upload. They do have a

>> 3 hour unlimited, at the moment, download window overnight.

>> Incidentally, I love the country and wouldn't move back to the city

>> except for health reasons if they should develop. The current 100 mile

>> air ambulance ride and closest dialysis center would be impractical for

>> anyone with serious heart or kidney problems.

>>

>> "Tony Sperling mail.dk>" <tony.sperling@db<REMOVE> wrote in message

>> news:OxZ9v0wEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Oh, I was not aware of any such interference, Jud - I will certainly

>>> keep this in mind. In the final end I may decide to completely ignore

>>> this, of course, but in the mean-while, I'll keep this in mind! Good

>>> point!

>>>

>>> Yes, I know about satellite, if you can pay you can have almost anything

>>> you can imagine of course, and wireless is on the 'go' as well, but I

>>> have a suspicion that these are targeted very much at businesses? Things

>>> move quickly, though, and I have not followed up on the costs lately.

>>>

>>> I have cable now, but living like that it would be pretty much out of

>>> the question, in most cases this requires a community that can split the

>>> cost of having a cable in the first place.

>>>

>>> Yes, satellite would be fine, but what will a subscription amount to,

>>> now that they are nearly giving away high-speed cable connections (the

>>> not-quite-broadband-type!)

>>>

>>>

>>> Tony. . .

>>>

>>>

>>> "Jud Hendrix" <none@none.com> wrote in message

>>> news:g4ojh3to67co3njaqf5ij1k2ivlbqb19tq@4ax.com...

>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:23:25 +0200, "Tony Sperling"

>>>> <tony.sperling@db<REMOVE>mail.dk> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>Here, in Denmark the Power Service Distributors have started putting

>>>>>Broadband onto their power lines, it just needs 'copper', as I

>>>>>understand.

>>>>

>>>> Please, do us radio-amateurs a favourite, and do not get into

>>>> powerlined

>>>> internet. It causes quite a lot of interference on our bands. It should

>>>> be

>>>> banned all over the world. Just get cable or ADSL :-D

>>>>

>>>>>I am about to be fed-up with the big city life and may seek out some

>>>>>property out in the big forrests somewhere and would like to gather

>>>>>some of

>>>>>the options in advance - I understand you are living in a not so

>>>>>densely

>>>>>populated area yourself?

>>>>

>>>> I saw in Australia they offer broadband via satellite. Upload via your

>>>> phone, download via sat. Maybe they offer that in Denmark?

>>>>

>>>> jud

>>>

>>>

>>

>

>