Applications fail to load after chkdsk auto repair

[Guest Michael (from Holland)]

My system with raid5 disks(3disks) 'crashed' yesterday while I was using

Internet Explorer 6, visiting some dynamic/ajax enabled webpage, and clicking

on an ajax enabled button. Trust me when I say it was this one that locked up

my pc this way. Not that worse that I lost all my precious data... some tough

luck huh :D

I had to manually turn my pc off and turned it on again. After BIOS, the

raid controller/bios came with its errors. I skipped the error message and

started to boot xp. Chkdsk ran and recovered some free disk space (here the

mess really begins, as I would find out afterwards).

 

The problem now is, when I startup my pc, I get stuck with many applications

that try to startup, but all fail and error. All seem to be related to COM

errors(? as far as I understand the next errors).

- skype gives something with ole errors

- winrar never opens up nor giving an error message visually

(but it does in eventvwr - application - eventid 1000, and with file

kernel32.dll)

- winvnc gives a dozen or even a few dozens of errormessages every 2-3 secs

after login with rpcrt4.dll, and another app as well...

 

These are the noticeable errors. In eventviewer I found some more errors,

most userevnt 1000 errors. Some application errors that popup also show "The

exception unknown software exception (0xc0000005) occured in the application

at location 0x2d828acd ... ", as Adobe acrobat did. And if I start MS Word

'03, it says something like "...documents cannot be linked this time..." and

locks up.

 

I believe chkdsk shouldn't free up that used disk space. This because I

think it was partially pointing to data on the erroring raid5 disk. My

suggestion to MS is, -if winxp can see that a RAID is giving errors- that

chkdsk should not run after a one-raid5-disk-failure or a RAID degredation.

Or else showing by default a message at auto chkdsk, with: "cancel chkdsk if

you having RAID errors".

 

Another possibility of the error(my actual problem) is it was created by the

pc lockup where it all started. But there was no disk activity during manual

shutdown, so...

 

And another possibility is that one special website can lock my browser / pc

up, -possibly- since the latest software changes:

Some software changes which -might- have messed with my internet explorer:

The latest software change I initialized was installing a .net mobile

application devtoolkit, a .net sdk(v2.0 64bit), ASP.NET Futures July

2007(v1.2.61025), and a fix for asp.net framework v2.0.50727 (I can't find

the fix version/name). This all around the 18th of October. I had the system

lockup one time before, but managed to kill internet explorer and I could go

on using my system. That was a few days before this happened, and... at the

same website(tweakers.net, dutch site) with it's ajax enabled stuff.

 

Last possibility is: the raid striping over the three disks was making a mess.

Some error info about the raid array:

One disk ended up with 'error' in nvidia mediashield (got an nforce4 chipset

with raidcontroller), but healthy and the other 2 disks were 'degraded', but

also healthy. This was right after the first reboot and chkdsk. Almost the

same message was provided after BIOS by the raid controller (= before winxp

boot). After rebuilding the RAID, nothing really changed, except the

degradation was gradated again.

 

Sorry for this huge explanation of my problem, but I wanted to give all the

details so it could be used to possibly prevent this kind of problems in the

future with RAID's, chkdsk by-design-flaws, Internet Explorer/.Net/Ajax or

whatever contributed to my problem.

 

But if someone could tell me how to recover (for free, don't going to pay

for anybody's bugs) the chkdsk erasing action and/or how to normally use all

my apps again without any windows or app reinstall, I would be very pleased.

 

Kind regards,

 

Michael Ponsteen

Netherlands

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: Applications fail to load after chkdsk auto repair

 

I am running a RAID0 system and luckily, I have never had any errors - but

if I have, I have mentally prepared myself to ensure I will not let the

machine complete booting into running CHKDSK. You have a RAID BIOS Setup

utility ( F10 after POST on my system ) I'm quite sure this is the best

chance of making sure the RAID is healthy or possibly correct any problems

before booting.

 

I was under the impression that running CHKDSK without options isn't writing

anything to disk - so I don't know what happened in your case, recovering

free space in itself also doesn't sound all that dangerous to me - It's a

sad thing, but I think the error you made was not to boot into your RAID

BIOS right away.

 

+, of course, not maintaining a backup!

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

"Michael (from Holland)" <Michael (from Holland)@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote in message news:9D3541FF-9120-45C8-8E11-DAB0B2B40480@microsoft.com...

> My system with raid5 disks(3disks) 'crashed' yesterday while I was using

> Internet Explorer 6, visiting some dynamic/ajax enabled webpage, and

> clicking

> on an ajax enabled button. Trust me when I say it was this one that locked

> up

> my pc this way. Not that worse that I lost all my precious data... some

> tough

> luck huh :D

> I had to manually turn my pc off and turned it on again. After BIOS, the

> raid controller/bios came with its errors. I skipped the error message and

> started to boot xp. Chkdsk ran and recovered some free disk space (here

> the

> mess really begins, as I would find out afterwards).

>

> The problem now is, when I startup my pc, I get stuck with many

> applications

> that try to startup, but all fail and error. All seem to be related to COM

> errors(? as far as I understand the next errors).

> - skype gives something with ole errors

> - winrar never opens up nor giving an error message visually

> (but it does in eventvwr - application - eventid 1000, and with file

> kernel32.dll)

> - winvnc gives a dozen or even a few dozens of errormessages every 2-3

> secs

> after login with rpcrt4.dll, and another app as well...

>

> These are the noticeable errors. In eventviewer I found some more errors,

> most userevnt 1000 errors. Some application errors that popup also show

> "The

> exception unknown software exception (0xc0000005) occured in the

> application

> at location 0x2d828acd ... ", as Adobe acrobat did. And if I start MS Word

> '03, it says something like "...documents cannot be linked this time..."

> and

> locks up.

>

> I believe chkdsk shouldn't free up that used disk space. This because I

> think it was partially pointing to data on the erroring raid5 disk. My

> suggestion to MS is, -if winxp can see that a RAID is giving errors- that

> chkdsk should not run after a one-raid5-disk-failure or a RAID

> degredation.

> Or else showing by default a message at auto chkdsk, with: "cancel chkdsk

> if

> you having RAID errors".

>

> Another possibility of the error(my actual problem) is it was created by

> the

> pc lockup where it all started. But there was no disk activity during

> manual

> shutdown, so...

>

> And another possibility is that one special website can lock my browser /

> pc

> up, -possibly- since the latest software changes:

> Some software changes which -might- have messed with my internet explorer:

> The latest software change I initialized was installing a .net mobile

> application devtoolkit, a .net sdk(v2.0 64bit), ASP.NET Futures July

> 2007(v1.2.61025), and a fix for asp.net framework v2.0.50727 (I can't find

> the fix version/name). This all around the 18th of October. I had the

> system

> lockup one time before, but managed to kill internet explorer and I could

> go

> on using my system. That was a few days before this happened, and... at

> the

> same website(tweakers.net, dutch site) with it's ajax enabled stuff.

>

> Last possibility is: the raid striping over the three disks was making a

> mess.

> Some error info about the raid array:

> One disk ended up with 'error' in nvidia mediashield (got an nforce4

> chipset

> with raidcontroller), but healthy and the other 2 disks were 'degraded',

> but

> also healthy. This was right after the first reboot and chkdsk. Almost

> the

> same message was provided after BIOS by the raid controller (= before

> winxp

> boot). After rebuilding the RAID, nothing really changed, except the

> degradation was gradated again.

>

> Sorry for this huge explanation of my problem, but I wanted to give all

> the

> details so it could be used to possibly prevent this kind of problems in

> the

> future with RAID's, chkdsk by-design-flaws, Internet Explorer/.Net/Ajax or

> whatever contributed to my problem.

>

> But if someone could tell me how to recover (for free, don't going to pay

> for anybody's bugs) the chkdsk erasing action and/or how to normally use

> all

> my apps again without any windows or app reinstall, I would be very

> pleased.

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Michael Ponsteen

> Netherlands

[Guest Michael (from Holland)]

Re: Applications fail to load after chkdsk auto repair

 

Thanks for your reply. But you don't believe this... Now, just 3 boots after

the raid rebuild it works all normal again! How? Maybe another chkdsk :D

which I ran after the rebuild. Can't explain clearly why or how? It's like

nothing happened...

 

But I was looking around in the component services in MMC before my first

shout here yesterday, and suddenly it asked me to register something again.

Think it was the DCOM config map, also because many apps that gave errors are

also named in this map. After that, programs still didn't work, but that

might be logically because normally you need to reboot for such changes.

Also I renamed rpcrt4.dll in the windows\syswow64 map, and after that,

windows recovered the file, from setup/.cab files I guess. Still after this,

programs didn't work. I also messed around in the registry, but I returned it

all back to normal again after it didn't seem to work immediately, so that

shouldn't have solved my problem here.

 

But now after the first time rebooting after these last changes I made, it

works :D

Although I still advice MS to warn users while letting auto chkdsk do it's

work after a RAID degradation. As far as I know chkdsk does not know a thing

about there is any RAID array. Not sure now anymore if that actually

destroyed my pc after the degradation, since I ran it (on win boot) as well

after RAID rebuild and never solved anything of my problem. While writing

this, I think replacing the rpcrt4.dll and/or the com services DCOM config

re-registering solved my problem.

 

So, if anyone will find out the exact same problem with the same conditions,

try re-register DCOM config just by clicking on that map in MMC - com

services. And rename the rpcrt4.dll in the windows/syswow64 map, so windows

automatically replaces it with a fresh file.

 

Michael

 

"Tony Sperling mail.dk>" wrote:

> I am running a RAID0 system and luckily, I have never had any errors - but

> if I have, I have mentally prepared myself to ensure I will not let the

> machine complete booting into running CHKDSK. You have a RAID BIOS Setup

> utility ( F10 after POST on my system ) I'm quite sure this is the best

> chance of making sure the RAID is healthy or possibly correct any problems

> before booting.

>

> I was under the impression that running CHKDSK without options isn't writing

> anything to disk - so I don't know what happened in your case, recovering

> free space in itself also doesn't sound all that dangerous to me - It's a

> sad thing, but I think the error you made was not to boot into your RAID

> BIOS right away.

>

> +, of course, not maintaining a backup!

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

> "Michael (from Holland)" <Michael (from Holland)@discussions.microsoft.com>

> wrote in message news:9D3541FF-9120-45C8-8E11-DAB0B2B40480@microsoft.com...

> > My system with raid5 disks(3disks) 'crashed' yesterday while I was using

> > Internet Explorer 6, visiting some dynamic/ajax enabled webpage, and

> > clicking

> > on an ajax enabled button. Trust me when I say it was this one that locked

> > up

> > my pc this way. Not that worse that I lost all my precious data... some

> > tough

> > luck huh :D

> > I had to manually turn my pc off and turned it on again. After BIOS, the

> > raid controller/bios came with its errors. I skipped the error message and

> > started to boot xp. Chkdsk ran and recovered some free disk space (here

> > the

> > mess really begins, as I would find out afterwards).

> >

> > The problem now is, when I startup my pc, I get stuck with many

> > applications

> > that try to startup, but all fail and error. All seem to be related to COM

> > errors(? as far as I understand the next errors).

> > - skype gives something with ole errors

> > - winrar never opens up nor giving an error message visually

> > (but it does in eventvwr - application - eventid 1000, and with file

> > kernel32.dll)

> > - winvnc gives a dozen or even a few dozens of errormessages every 2-3

> > secs

> > after login with rpcrt4.dll, and another app as well...

> >

> > These are the noticeable errors. In eventviewer I found some more errors,

> > most userevnt 1000 errors. Some application errors that popup also show

> > "The

> > exception unknown software exception (0xc0000005) occured in the

> > application

> > at location 0x2d828acd ... ", as Adobe acrobat did. And if I start MS Word

> > '03, it says something like "...documents cannot be linked this time..."

> > and

> > locks up.

> >

> > I believe chkdsk shouldn't free up that used disk space. This because I

> > think it was partially pointing to data on the erroring raid5 disk. My

> > suggestion to MS is, -if winxp can see that a RAID is giving errors- that

> > chkdsk should not run after a one-raid5-disk-failure or a RAID

> > degredation.

> > Or else showing by default a message at auto chkdsk, with: "cancel chkdsk

> > if

> > you having RAID errors".

> >

> > Another possibility of the error(my actual problem) is it was created by

> > the

> > pc lockup where it all started. But there was no disk activity during

> > manual

> > shutdown, so...

> >

> > And another possibility is that one special website can lock my browser /

> > pc

> > up, -possibly- since the latest software changes:

> > Some software changes which -might- have messed with my internet explorer:

> > The latest software change I initialized was installing a .net mobile

> > application devtoolkit, a .net sdk(v2.0 64bit), ASP.NET Futures July

> > 2007(v1.2.61025), and a fix for asp.net framework v2.0.50727 (I can't find

> > the fix version/name). This all around the 18th of October. I had the

> > system

> > lockup one time before, but managed to kill internet explorer and I could

> > go

> > on using my system. That was a few days before this happened, and... at

> > the

> > same website(tweakers.net, dutch site) with it's ajax enabled stuff.

> >

> > Last possibility is: the raid striping over the three disks was making a

> > mess.

> > Some error info about the raid array:

> > One disk ended up with 'error' in nvidia mediashield (got an nforce4

> > chipset

> > with raidcontroller), but healthy and the other 2 disks were 'degraded',

> > but

> > also healthy. This was right after the first reboot and chkdsk. Almost

> > the

> > same message was provided after BIOS by the raid controller (= before

> > winxp

> > boot). After rebuilding the RAID, nothing really changed, except the

> > degradation was gradated again.

> >

> > Sorry for this huge explanation of my problem, but I wanted to give all

> > the

> > details so it could be used to possibly prevent this kind of problems in

> > the

> > future with RAID's, chkdsk by-design-flaws, Internet Explorer/.Net/Ajax or

> > whatever contributed to my problem.

> >

> > But if someone could tell me how to recover (for free, don't going to pay

> > for anybody's bugs) the chkdsk erasing action and/or how to normally use

> > all

> > my apps again without any windows or app reinstall, I would be very

> > pleased.

> >

> > Kind regards,

> >

> > Michael Ponsteen

> > Netherlands

>

>

>

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: Applications fail to load after chkdsk auto repair

 

This qualifies as the 'Sunshine Story of the Day', I'm sure! When I went to

bed last night after posting my reply, I wasn't feeling very good about it

all.

 

Never-the-less, this also pay's tribute to the robustness of RAID in

general, and perhaps emphasizes your luck, in particular.

 

I don't disagree, you can never be too specific about information, but

before even considering building a RAID on your system, you cannot have been

uninformed about the dangers involved - and you must have been asking

yourself questions about how you would respond to a potential 'issue'. We

are after all talking about disasters in the making here. This cannot have

come to you as a bolt of lightning out of the blue sky just yesterday. This

is well known matterial.

 

But I do agree, the dangers of CHKDSK'ing were well described in the days of

DOS - is much of this forgotten today? - is reiterating and underlining the

use of CHKDSK required today? The command help (CHKDSK /?) certainly isn't

very enlightening, at the face of it!

 

Hmmm - you may have a point there. I'd like to see a bit of argumentation

here in this forum, although not specifically 64bit related - but, Michael

please - don't try and rub off your own mistakes on anyone else, you've done

a great job of it - but passing the buck will not impress very many here.

 

Anecdote:

 

I was watching the RTL transmission from the Brazilian F1 GP, Sunday.

There is only one reason I do this - they have Nicki Lauda as an Expert

Commentator!!!

 

The idiot journalist who runs the show (the anchor person?) tried to relate

an incident from the trials where someone had run off the track as a Team

Error. Nicki (in his usual clear sighted wisdom) said: "That's not a team

error! THE DRIVER IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN RUN THE CAR OFF TRACK!

 

(With reservations for the correctness of the translation from

Teutonic/Austrian)

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

"Michael (from Holland)" <MichaelfromHolland@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote in message news:EB46A4E0-89FB-4500-842C-A50F27D9D093@microsoft.com...

> Thanks for your reply. But you don't believe this... Now, just 3 boots

> after

> the raid rebuild it works all normal again! How? Maybe another chkdsk :D

> which I ran after the rebuild. Can't explain clearly why or how? It's like

> nothing happened...

>

> But I was looking around in the component services in MMC before my first

> shout here yesterday, and suddenly it asked me to register something

> again.

> Think it was the DCOM config map, also because many apps that gave errors

> are

> also named in this map. After that, programs still didn't work, but that

> might be logically because normally you need to reboot for such changes.

> Also I renamed rpcrt4.dll in the windows\syswow64 map, and after that,

> windows recovered the file, from setup/.cab files I guess. Still after

> this,

> programs didn't work. I also messed around in the registry, but I returned

> it

> all back to normal again after it didn't seem to work immediately, so that

> shouldn't have solved my problem here.

>

> But now after the first time rebooting after these last changes I made, it

> works :D

> Although I still advice MS to warn users while letting auto chkdsk do it's

> work after a RAID degradation. As far as I know chkdsk does not know a

> thing

> about there is any RAID array. Not sure now anymore if that actually

> destroyed my pc after the degradation, since I ran it (on win boot) as

> well

> after RAID rebuild and never solved anything of my problem. While writing

> this, I think replacing the rpcrt4.dll and/or the com services DCOM config

> re-registering solved my problem.

>

> So, if anyone will find out the exact same problem with the same

> conditions,

> try re-register DCOM config just by clicking on that map in MMC - com

> services. And rename the rpcrt4.dll in the windows/syswow64 map, so

> windows

> automatically replaces it with a fresh file.

>

> Michael

>

> "Tony Sperling mail.dk>" wrote:

>

>> I am running a RAID0 system and luckily, I have never had any errors -

>> but

>> if I have, I have mentally prepared myself to ensure I will not let the

>> machine complete booting into running CHKDSK. You have a RAID BIOS Setup

>> utility ( F10 after POST on my system ) I'm quite sure this is the best

>> chance of making sure the RAID is healthy or possibly correct any

>> problems

>> before booting.

>>

>> I was under the impression that running CHKDSK without options isn't

>> writing

>> anything to disk - so I don't know what happened in your case, recovering

>> free space in itself also doesn't sound all that dangerous to me - It's a

>> sad thing, but I think the error you made was not to boot into your RAID

>> BIOS right away.

>>

>> +, of course, not maintaining a backup!

>>

>>

>> Tony. . .

>>

>>

>> "Michael (from Holland)" <Michael (from

>> Holland)@discussions.microsoft.com>

>> wrote in message

>> news:9D3541FF-9120-45C8-8E11-DAB0B2B40480@microsoft.com...

>> > My system with raid5 disks(3disks) 'crashed' yesterday while I was

>> > using

>> > Internet Explorer 6, visiting some dynamic/ajax enabled webpage, and

>> > clicking

>> > on an ajax enabled button. Trust me when I say it was this one that

>> > locked

>> > up

>> > my pc this way. Not that worse that I lost all my precious data... some

>> > tough

>> > luck huh :D

>> > I had to manually turn my pc off and turned it on again. After BIOS,

>> > the

>> > raid controller/bios came with its errors. I skipped the error message

>> > and

>> > started to boot xp. Chkdsk ran and recovered some free disk space (here

>> > the

>> > mess really begins, as I would find out afterwards).

>> >

>> > The problem now is, when I startup my pc, I get stuck with many

>> > applications

>> > that try to startup, but all fail and error. All seem to be related to

>> > COM

>> > errors(? as far as I understand the next errors).

>> > - skype gives something with ole errors

>> > - winrar never opens up nor giving an error message visually

>> > (but it does in eventvwr - application - eventid 1000, and with file

>> > kernel32.dll)

>> > - winvnc gives a dozen or even a few dozens of errormessages every 2-3

>> > secs

>> > after login with rpcrt4.dll, and another app as well...

>> >

>> > These are the noticeable errors. In eventviewer I found some more

>> > errors,

>> > most userevnt 1000 errors. Some application errors that popup also show

>> > "The

>> > exception unknown software exception (0xc0000005) occured in the

>> > application

>> > at location 0x2d828acd ... ", as Adobe acrobat did. And if I start MS

>> > Word

>> > '03, it says something like "...documents cannot be linked this

>> > time..."

>> > and

>> > locks up.

>> >

>> > I believe chkdsk shouldn't free up that used disk space. This because I

>> > think it was partially pointing to data on the erroring raid5 disk. My

>> > suggestion to MS is, -if winxp can see that a RAID is giving errors-

>> > that

>> > chkdsk should not run after a one-raid5-disk-failure or a RAID

>> > degredation.

>> > Or else showing by default a message at auto chkdsk, with: "cancel

>> > chkdsk

>> > if

>> > you having RAID errors".

>> >

>> > Another possibility of the error(my actual problem) is it was created

>> > by

>> > the

>> > pc lockup where it all started. But there was no disk activity during

>> > manual

>> > shutdown, so...

>> >

>> > And another possibility is that one special website can lock my browser

>> > /

>> > pc

>> > up, -possibly- since the latest software changes:

>> > Some software changes which -might- have messed with my internet

>> > explorer:

>> > The latest software change I initialized was installing a .net mobile

>> > application devtoolkit, a .net sdk(v2.0 64bit), ASP.NET Futures July

>> > 2007(v1.2.61025), and a fix for asp.net framework v2.0.50727 (I can't

>> > find

>> > the fix version/name). This all around the 18th of October. I had the

>> > system

>> > lockup one time before, but managed to kill internet explorer and I

>> > could

>> > go

>> > on using my system. That was a few days before this happened, and... at

>> > the

>> > same website(tweakers.net, dutch site) with it's ajax enabled stuff.

>> >

>> > Last possibility is: the raid striping over the three disks was making

>> > a

>> > mess.

>> > Some error info about the raid array:

>> > One disk ended up with 'error' in nvidia mediashield (got an nforce4

>> > chipset

>> > with raidcontroller), but healthy and the other 2 disks were

>> > 'degraded',

>> > but

>> > also healthy. This was right after the first reboot and chkdsk. Almost

>> > the

>> > same message was provided after BIOS by the raid controller (= before

>> > winxp

>> > boot). After rebuilding the RAID, nothing really changed, except the

>> > degradation was gradated again.

>> >

>> > Sorry for this huge explanation of my problem, but I wanted to give all

>> > the

>> > details so it could be used to possibly prevent this kind of problems

>> > in

>> > the

>> > future with RAID's, chkdsk by-design-flaws, Internet Explorer/.Net/Ajax

>> > or

>> > whatever contributed to my problem.

>> >

>> > But if someone could tell me how to recover (for free, don't going to

>> > pay

>> > for anybody's bugs) the chkdsk erasing action and/or how to normally

>> > use

>> > all

>> > my apps again without any windows or app reinstall, I would be very

>> > pleased.

>> >

>> > Kind regards,

>> >

>> > Michael Ponsteen

>> > Netherlands

>>

>>

>>