Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

[Guest Kue2]

Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for

the privilege.

The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak

1,v.668.).

[Guest Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would be

impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a wide

range of configurations 'in house'.

 

Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had the

problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of my

software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I followed

instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP with a black

task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I don't use registry

cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one click' fix. I research

everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or 'Yes'. I have learned the

value of the 'back' button if I am not sure about something.

 

I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any

variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE it

escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to myself 'Oh

well, I guess this happens after a while'.

 

There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the

choice for the individual to make.

 

Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back to

what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you have a

crippled system before thinking about this.

 

Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time to

research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to make.

 

None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it all'

is where the tears start.

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

 

 

 

"Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23YS5ypZPIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for

> the privilege.

> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak

> 1,v.668.).

[Guest BChat]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

Well said Mike.

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

news:eo3aP9ZPIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would be

impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a wide

range of configurations 'in house'.

 

Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had the

problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of my

software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I followed

instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP with a black

task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I don't use registry

cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one click' fix. I research

everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or 'Yes'. I have learned the

value of the 'back' button if I am not sure about something.

 

I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any

variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE it

escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to myself 'Oh

well, I guess this happens after a while'.

 

There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the

choice for the individual to make.

 

Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back to

what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you have a

crippled system before thinking about this.

 

Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time to

research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to make.

 

None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it all'

is where the tears start.

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

 

 

 

"Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23YS5ypZPIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for

> the privilege.

> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak

> 1,v.668.).

[Guest Kue2]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

The "Software" has as many bugs in it today as it had a year ago.Anyone

looking for a cure for Vista in SP1 is going to be disappointed.

It's time to get off the soap -box & smell the coffee, Mike.

The one word to sum up would be "Lemon".

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

news:eo3aP9ZPIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would

> be impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a wide

> range of configurations 'in house'.

>

> Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had the

> problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of my

> software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I followed

> instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP with a black

> task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I don't use registry

> cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one click' fix. I research

> everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or 'Yes'. I have learned the

> value of the 'back' button if I am not sure about something.

>

> I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any

> variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE it

> escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to myself

> 'Oh well, I guess this happens after a while'.

>

> There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the

> choice for the individual to make.

>

> Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back

> to what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you

> have a crippled system before thinking about this.

>

> Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time to

> research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to make.

>

> None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it

> all' is where the tears start.

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

> "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23YS5ypZPIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for

>> the privilege.

>> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak

>> 1,v.668.).

>

[Guest Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

Not everyone, only those that choose.

And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.

SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting

the inherent risks of Beta.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

"Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23YS5ypZPIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to

> pay for the privilege.

> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001

> service pak 1,v.668.).

[Guest Tom Lake]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

 

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

news:e86v3EaPIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Not everyone, only those that choose.

> And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.

> SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting the

> inherent risks of Beta.

 

Maybe he meant Vista itself!

 

Tom Lake

[Guest Kue2]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

 

Jupiter

Vista is in beta with or without the SP1!

 

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

news:e86v3EaPIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Not everyone, only those that choose.

> And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.

> SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting the

> inherent risks of Beta.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

>

>

> "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23YS5ypZPIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for

>> the privilege.

>> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak

>> 1,v.668.).

>

[Guest Kue2]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

Tom

No maybe's about it.

A year later & things have not improved.

Vista was never ready for prime time.

 

"Tom Lake" <toml_12953@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:56B46DB1-E7C8-49B2-BAB9-CAB1C7CC1EF4@microsoft.com...

>

> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

> news:e86v3EaPIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Not everyone, only those that choose.

>> And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.

>> SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting

>> the inherent risks of Beta.

>

> Maybe he meant Vista itself!

>

> Tom Lake

[Guest Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

Tom;

Service Pack 1 was specified.

 

Even so, those purchasing windows Vista have a choice.

No one is forced to use any operating system, at least not by

Microsoft.

 

Windows XP continues to be available and supported and is a good

option for many.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

 

"Tom Lake" <toml_12953@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:56B46DB1-E7C8-49B2-BAB9-CAB1C7CC1EF4@microsoft.com...

> Maybe he meant Vista itself!

>

> Tom Lake

[Guest Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

Your opinion, not in fact.

The software manufacturer and not us the users decide when software is

no longer in Beta.

The users simply choose if and when to use the software, no one forces

us.

 

Windows Vista performs well on two older computers of mine.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

 

"Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23bwlJNaPIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

> Jupiter

> Vista is in beta with or without the SP1!

[Guest Frank]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) oneyear later.

 

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) oneyear later.

 

Kue2 wrote:

> The "Software" has as many bugs in it today as it had a year ago.Anyone

> looking for a cure for Vista in SP1 is going to be disappointed.

> It's time to get off the soap -box & smell the coffee, Mike.

> The one word to sum up would be "Lemon".

>

--------------------------------------------------------------

 

hehehe...you sound like you are in the same cardboard spaced ship along

with capin' crunch...hahaha...lol!

Frank

[Guest S.SubZero]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one yearlater.

 

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one yearlater.

 

I ran Vista X64 from February to December. I never had any serious

problems, everything I installed ran fine, it was a total non-

experience since it just ran. Most importantly, I never had fear of

losing any data and I never did lose any data.

 

I installed Ubuntu Linux 7.10 the other day. After installing the

plethora of updates, the very first app I ran randomly crashed and not

only crashed but logged me out completely. Had I been working on

something important or business critical, it would have been gone.

 

-shrug-

[Guest Kue2]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

Jupiter

You actually believe what you write?

 

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

news:edy92baPIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Your opinion, not in fact.

> The software manufacturer and not us the users decide when software is no

> longer in Beta.

> The users simply choose if and when to use the software, no one forces us.

>

> Windows Vista performs well on two older computers of mine.

>

> --

> Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

>

>

>

> "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23bwlJNaPIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>> Jupiter

>> Vista is in beta with or without the SP1!

>

[Guest Daniel]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

 

"The one word to sum up would be "Lemon"".

 

 

For you perhaps, for me it works fine, may be an intelligence thing?

 

Daniel

[Guest Carlos]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one y

 

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one y

 

Hugh,

I certainly like your young and rebel spirit today!

Your beta discussion reminded me of another beta: Windows Media Player.

When is MS going to solve the issue that happens when you close it and it

keeps playing in the dark?

I have to kill the process manually in order to really close it.

This is not an WMP11 exclusive issue.

It has been hanging around since, at least, WMP9!

Anyone can google around and see what I mean.

Is WMP11 a beta embedded in another beta?

Regarding the rest of Vista, I can say I have absolutely no problems with

the rest of the recurring hardware/performance issues that others suffer.

I really hope that, some day, you may solve your driver issues with NVidia

graphics.

:)

Carlos

 

 

"Kue2" wrote:

> Jupiter

> You actually believe what you write?

>

> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

> news:edy92baPIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> > Your opinion, not in fact.

> > The software manufacturer and not us the users decide when software is no

> > longer in Beta.

> > The users simply choose if and when to use the software, no one forces us.

> >

> > Windows Vista performs well on two older computers of mine.

> >

> > --

> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> >

> >

> >

> > "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > news:%23bwlJNaPIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >>

> >> Jupiter

> >> Vista is in beta with or without the SP1!

> >

>

>

[Guest Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

Yours may well be full of 'bugs'. Mine isn't and this is partly down to what

I have already written.

 

I have local clients who are happy with Vista, and I also have local clients

who are happy with nothing because they continually mess with stuff, fall

for every Internet scam in the book, and run every 'one click' fix known to

man in order to get over the problems that they themselves have created

despite warnings by me not to do some things.

 

One of them keeps getting virus/Trojans because of the insistence to

download stuff off of Limewire.

 

Another incident was created because a client couldn't get high speed

Internet, and tried and failed three times to install an analogue modem,

changing all kinds of settings in the process. It turned out that the client

had pulled the power on the high speed modem, but it all took longer to fix

than just turning on the power again.

 

A client's daughter couldn't get onto Sympatico high speed one day, and so

installed Primus dialup. When the client asked me why his Primus e-mail

wasn't working, I told him that he had Sympatico mail, and that I wasn't at

all surprised re Primus. He told me that IE6 had 'supplied by Primus'

emblazoned on it, and that he was fairly sure that he had Primus Internet.

He just didn't know what he had. I did sort it all out for him, and told him

to keep his daughter away from the computer.

 

One of my clients called me to ask if I could transfer pictures and other

stuff from the old computer to a new one just bought. Yeah, no problem,

except that she had already given the old computer to her daughter. It was

slow and kept popping up messages she didn't understand, hence the new one.

The messages all related to the old hard drive failing, which it did

terminally a day and a half later, before I could get to it. I asked the

original owner if there were any signs at all of something going wrong. I

was told by her that she had done nothing to it, but over the last week of

ownership, it didn't always boot properly and everything was sooooooooooooo

slow.

 

One well meaning friend of a client tried to fix XP problems by installing

and running a registry cleaner. After completely screwing up the system, the

friend then tried to fix the system by installing Windows 98. The call I got

was 'how do you fix XP problems using a Win 98 CD?'. Any takers?

 

The single most prevalent problem with any computer system is situated

between the back of the chair and the keyboard, and until that component can

be brought under control, the average computer installation doesn't have a

chance in hell of ever working as it should.

 

I am not suggesting that it is all the fault of the user. Software is never

perfect, even when written specifically for one set of hardware

specifications 'a la' Mac, but when one takes into consideration the actions

of some users, especially those who have constructed their own computers

from parts, using enough thermal paste to ice a five tier wedding cake,

gotten the stuff in the memory slots, not cabled the thing up correctly,

left off the CPU fan assembly because they couldn't get it to fit using a

pair of household scissors, it is a wonder that computers work at all..

 

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

 

 

 

"Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:u6UEbEaPIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> The "Software" has as many bugs in it today as it had a year ago.Anyone

> looking for a cure for Vista in SP1 is going to be disappointed.

> It's time to get off the soap -box & smell the coffee, Mike.

> The one word to sum up would be "Lemon".

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:eo3aP9ZPIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would

>> be impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a

>> wide range of configurations 'in house'.

>>

>> Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had

>> the problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of

>> my software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I

>> followed instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP

>> with a black task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I

>> don't use registry cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one click'

>> fix. I research everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or 'Yes'. I

>> have learned the value of the 'back' button if I am not sure about

>> something.

>>

>> I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any

>> variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE

>> it escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to myself

>> 'Oh well, I guess this happens after a while'.

>>

>> There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the

>> choice for the individual to make.

>>

>> Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back

>> to what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you

>> have a crippled system before thinking about this.

>>

>> Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time

>> to research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to

>> make.

>>

>> None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it

>> all' is where the tears start.

>>

>> --

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:%23YS5ypZPIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay

>>> for the privilege.

>>> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service

>>> pak 1,v.668.).

>>

>

[Guest Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

Exactly what of what I wrote is incorrect or don't you believe?

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

 

"Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:OvNaovaPIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Jupiter

> You actually believe what you write?

[Guest Kue2]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one y

 

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one y

 

Morning Carlos!

good day for a lively discussion.......lol wink.....

That problem I do not experience on my machine(wmp). My sound problem

finally got fixed.Had internet radio playing last nite, using wmp,closes

fine here.When do you experience the hang,while playing music or video's

or.....

Nvidia problem still there but not as prevalent. Only hangs when I re-boot

now,when using Vista system seems stable using latest Nvidia beta driver.

Wish they would come up with a work around for system restore points & dual

booting.....thank goodness for Acronis True Image Home.

I'll test (wpm) here when you tell me what you are doing when problem

arises.

Still no word from Nero on sxs errors in event viewer.Strange thing is the

errors do not seem to effect the program so far as I can tell.

 

 

 

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:561AC265-4F54-4996-B905-1D5B693BFB5C@microsoft.com...

> Hugh,

> I certainly like your young and rebel spirit today!

> Your beta discussion reminded me of another beta: Windows Media Player.

> When is MS going to solve the issue that happens when you close it and it

> keeps playing in the dark?

> I have to kill the process manually in order to really close it.

> This is not an WMP11 exclusive issue.

> It has been hanging around since, at least, WMP9!

> Anyone can google around and see what I mean.

> Is WMP11 a beta embedded in another beta?

> Regarding the rest of Vista, I can say I have absolutely no problems with

> the rest of the recurring hardware/performance issues that others suffer.

> I really hope that, some day, you may solve your driver issues with NVidia

> graphics.

> :)

> Carlos

>

>

> "Kue2" wrote:

>

>> Jupiter

>> You actually believe what you write?

>>

>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

>> news:edy92baPIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> > Your opinion, not in fact.

>> > The software manufacturer and not us the users decide when software is

>> > no

>> > longer in Beta.

>> > The users simply choose if and when to use the software, no one forces

>> > us.

>> >

>> > Windows Vista performs well on two older computers of mine.

>> >

>> > --

>> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]

>> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> > news:%23bwlJNaPIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> >>

>> >> Jupiter

>> >> Vista is in beta with or without the SP1!

>> >

>>

>>

[Guest Harry Krause]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) oneyear later.

 

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) oneyear later.

 

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

> Not everyone, only those that choose.

> And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.

> SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting

> the inherent risks of Beta.

>

 

 

Now, tell us true: did your mama name you Jupiter?

 

If so, I am impressed.

[Guest Kue2]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

 

Hello Mike

hmmmmm

Where to begin

quoted from your earlier reply

"There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would

>>> be impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a

>>> wide range of configurations 'in house'.

and is this message.

Then you state:"I also have local clients

> who are happy with nothing because they continually mess with stuff.

 

Microsoft makes a sp1 available to the "general public" so they can Mess

with Stuff & want to know their experiences.

You say on one hand that it is alright for Microsoft to tell people to Mess

with stuff,but on the other side tell people they should not Mess with

Stuff?

Hmmmmmmm LOL

 

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

news:%23b5mdCbPIHA.1756@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Yours may well be full of 'bugs'. Mine isn't and this is partly down to

> what I have already written.

>

> I have local clients who are happy with Vista, and I also have local

> clients who are happy with nothing because they continually mess with

> stuff, fall for every Internet scam in the book, and run every 'one click'

> fix known to man in order to get over the problems that they themselves

> have created despite warnings by me not to do some things.

>

> One of them keeps getting virus/Trojans because of the insistence to

> download stuff off of Limewire.

>

> Another incident was created because a client couldn't get high speed

> Internet, and tried and failed three times to install an analogue modem,

> changing all kinds of settings in the process. It turned out that the

> client had pulled the power on the high speed modem, but it all took

> longer to fix than just turning on the power again.

>

> A client's daughter couldn't get onto Sympatico high speed one day, and so

> installed Primus dialup. When the client asked me why his Primus e-mail

> wasn't working, I told him that he had Sympatico mail, and that I wasn't

> at all surprised re Primus. He told me that IE6 had 'supplied by Primus'

> emblazoned on it, and that he was fairly sure that he had Primus Internet.

> He just didn't know what he had. I did sort it all out for him, and told

> him to keep his daughter away from the computer.

>

> One of my clients called me to ask if I could transfer pictures and other

> stuff from the old computer to a new one just bought. Yeah, no problem,

> except that she had already given the old computer to her daughter. It was

> slow and kept popping up messages she didn't understand, hence the new

> one. The messages all related to the old hard drive failing, which it did

> terminally a day and a half later, before I could get to it. I asked the

> original owner if there were any signs at all of something going wrong. I

> was told by her that she had done nothing to it, but over the last week of

> ownership, it didn't always boot properly and everything was

> sooooooooooooo slow.

>

> One well meaning friend of a client tried to fix XP problems by installing

> and running a registry cleaner. After completely screwing up the system,

> the friend then tried to fix the system by installing Windows 98. The call

> I got was 'how do you fix XP problems using a Win 98 CD?'. Any takers?

>

> The single most prevalent problem with any computer system is situated

> between the back of the chair and the keyboard, and until that component

> can be brought under control, the average computer installation doesn't

> have a chance in hell of ever working as it should.

>

> I am not suggesting that it is all the fault of the user. Software is

> never perfect, even when written specifically for one set of hardware

> specifications 'a la' Mac, but when one takes into consideration the

> actions of some users, especially those who have constructed their own

> computers from parts, using enough thermal paste to ice a five tier

> wedding cake, gotten the stuff in the memory slots, not cabled the thing

> up correctly, left off the CPU fan assembly because they couldn't get it

> to fit using a pair of household scissors, it is a wonder that computers

> work at all..

>

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

> "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:u6UEbEaPIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> The "Software" has as many bugs in it today as it had a year ago.Anyone

>> looking for a cure for Vista in SP1 is going to be disappointed.

>> It's time to get off the soap -box & smell the coffee, Mike.

>> The one word to sum up would be "Lemon".

>>

>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>> news:eo3aP9ZPIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would

>>> be impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a

>>> wide range of configurations 'in house'.

>>>

>>> Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had

>>> the problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of

>>> my software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I

>>> followed instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP

>>> with a black task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I

>>> don't use registry cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one

>>> click' fix. I research everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or

>>> 'Yes'. I have learned the value of the 'back' button if I am not sure

>>> about something.

>>>

>>> I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any

>>> variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE

>>> it escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to

>>> myself 'Oh well, I guess this happens after a while'.

>>>

>>> There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the

>>> choice for the individual to make.

>>>

>>> Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back

>>> to what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you

>>> have a crippled system before thinking about this.

>>>

>>> Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time

>>> to research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to

>>> make.

>>>

>>> None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it

>>> all' is where the tears start.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23YS5ypZPIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay

>>>> for the privilege.

>>>> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service

>>>> pak 1,v.668.).

>>>

>>

>

[Guest Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

No, it is a nick name I have used for years.

 

--

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

 

 

"Harry Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:u9e3Q8bPIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Now, tell us true: did your mama name you Jupiter?

>

> If so, I am impressed.

[Guest Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

The SP1 update is available now still in essential beta form, but it is at

the discretion of the user as to whether it is downloaded and run, just as

it is with anything else.

 

Microsoft are not telling the user to do anything. They are giving users the

opportunity to try it out. Until it comes down through WU as a critical

update, nothing is being forced on anybody.

 

If a computer has user induced problems prior to installing, they will still

remain or possibly get worse after installing SP1. For many, I can assure

you that installation has gone without a hitch. I am one of them..

 

It has long been known that the computer user is the main problem, and

nothing has changed in that respect. Use of a computer should be easy, but

the expectations of computer owners these days prevents that. There are too

many wild variables around, and the great majority of those variables are

between the chair and the keyboard.

 

--

Mike Hall - MVP

http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

 

 

 

"Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:OSUkTOcPIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

> Hello Mike

> hmmmmm

> Where to begin

> quoted from your earlier reply

> "There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would

>>>> be impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a

>>>> wide range of configurations 'in house'.

> and is this message.

> Then you state:"I also have local clients

>> who are happy with nothing because they continually mess with stuff.

>

> Microsoft makes a sp1 available to the "general public" so they can Mess

> with Stuff & want to know their experiences.

> You say on one hand that it is alright for Microsoft to tell people to

> Mess with stuff,but on the other side tell people they should not Mess

> with Stuff?

> Hmmmmmmm LOL

>

>

> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

> news:%23b5mdCbPIHA.1756@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Yours may well be full of 'bugs'. Mine isn't and this is partly down to

>> what I have already written.

>>

>> I have local clients who are happy with Vista, and I also have local

>> clients who are happy with nothing because they continually mess with

>> stuff, fall for every Internet scam in the book, and run every 'one

>> click' fix known to man in order to get over the problems that they

>> themselves have created despite warnings by me not to do some things.

>>

>> One of them keeps getting virus/Trojans because of the insistence to

>> download stuff off of Limewire.

>>

>> Another incident was created because a client couldn't get high speed

>> Internet, and tried and failed three times to install an analogue modem,

>> changing all kinds of settings in the process. It turned out that the

>> client had pulled the power on the high speed modem, but it all took

>> longer to fix than just turning on the power again.

>>

>> A client's daughter couldn't get onto Sympatico high speed one day, and

>> so installed Primus dialup. When the client asked me why his Primus

>> e-mail wasn't working, I told him that he had Sympatico mail, and that I

>> wasn't at all surprised re Primus. He told me that IE6 had 'supplied by

>> Primus' emblazoned on it, and that he was fairly sure that he had Primus

>> Internet. He just didn't know what he had. I did sort it all out for him,

>> and told him to keep his daughter away from the computer.

>>

>> One of my clients called me to ask if I could transfer pictures and other

>> stuff from the old computer to a new one just bought. Yeah, no problem,

>> except that she had already given the old computer to her daughter. It

>> was slow and kept popping up messages she didn't understand, hence the

>> new one. The messages all related to the old hard drive failing, which it

>> did terminally a day and a half later, before I could get to it. I asked

>> the original owner if there were any signs at all of something going

>> wrong. I was told by her that she had done nothing to it, but over the

>> last week of ownership, it didn't always boot properly and everything was

>> sooooooooooooo slow.

>>

>> One well meaning friend of a client tried to fix XP problems by

>> installing and running a registry cleaner. After completely screwing up

>> the system, the friend then tried to fix the system by installing Windows

>> 98. The call I got was 'how do you fix XP problems using a Win 98 CD?'.

>> Any takers?

>>

>> The single most prevalent problem with any computer system is situated

>> between the back of the chair and the keyboard, and until that component

>> can be brought under control, the average computer installation doesn't

>> have a chance in hell of ever working as it should.

>>

>> I am not suggesting that it is all the fault of the user. Software is

>> never perfect, even when written specifically for one set of hardware

>> specifications 'a la' Mac, but when one takes into consideration the

>> actions of some users, especially those who have constructed their own

>> computers from parts, using enough thermal paste to ice a five tier

>> wedding cake, gotten the stuff in the memory slots, not cabled the thing

>> up correctly, left off the CPU fan assembly because they couldn't get it

>> to fit using a pair of household scissors, it is a wonder that computers

>> work at all..

>>

>>

>> --

>> Mike Hall - MVP

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:u6UEbEaPIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> The "Software" has as many bugs in it today as it had a year ago.Anyone

>>> looking for a cure for Vista in SP1 is going to be disappointed.

>>> It's time to get off the soap -box & smell the coffee, Mike.

>>> The one word to sum up would be "Lemon".

>>>

>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eo3aP9ZPIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It

>>>> would be impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over

>>>> such a wide range of configurations 'in house'.

>>>>

>>>> Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had

>>>> the problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99%

>>>> of my software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I

>>>> followed instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP

>>>> with a black task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I

>>>> don't use registry cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one

>>>> click' fix. I research everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or

>>>> 'Yes'. I have learned the value of the 'back' button if I am not sure

>>>> about something.

>>>>

>>>> I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any

>>>> variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE

>>>> it escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to

>>>> myself 'Oh well, I guess this happens after a while'.

>>>>

>>>> There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the

>>>> choice for the individual to make.

>>>>

>>>> Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert

>>>> back to what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait

>>>> until you have a crippled system before thinking about this.

>>>>

>>>> Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time

>>>> to research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to

>>>> make.

>>>>

>>>> None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it

>>>> all' is where the tears start.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Mike Hall - MVP

>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:%23YS5ypZPIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay

>>>>> for the privilege.

>>>>> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service

>>>>> pak 1,v.668.).

>>>>

>>>

>>

>

[Guest Corporeal Patronus]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one y

 

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one y

 

Could be me, but why hell would you buy Vista, only to install a lame 3rd

party operating system on it? Then I would like to know why your

expectations of a competitors operating system would suddenly crash and burn

on a Microsoft Operating system? Why not build your computer from scratch,

buy Linux, and install it from scratch, would've saved you big bucks.

 

With all the advancement in today's business world, we are still trying to

use unsupported programs to bridge other programs together. Throw out those

old programs, or give them a proper burial.

 

You might as well mix matter with anti-matter.

 

 

--

Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man. If mountain

ranges and oceans can be overcome, anything built by man can be overcome. -

General Patton

 

 

"S.SubZero" wrote:

> I ran Vista X64 from February to December. I never had any serious

> problems, everything I installed ran fine, it was a total non-

> experience since it just ran. Most importantly, I never had fear of

> losing any data and I never did lose any data.

>

> I installed Ubuntu Linux 7.10 the other day. After installing the

> plethora of updates, the very first app I ran randomly crashed and not

> only crashed but logged me out completely. Had I been working on

> something important or business critical, it would have been gone.

>

> -shrug-

>

[Guest Corporeal Patronus]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one y

 

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one y

 

Why is it when our operating systems are functioning properly, that you, and

people like you, have to come out to character assassinate a product or

person. In this case, Vista works for us, my company, and my needs. If you

want, purchase a mac, and be happy. Although with so many software

limitations from the venders themselves, you may be limited to email and

internet access only.

 

Give it up people. It's like buying a new car, you find consumer reports,

and look up the car you want to buy. If it has a poor rating you don't buy

it, if it has a great rating, you are more inclined to purchase it. But you

still have to decide if you want a 6cyl or 8cyl, All wheel drive, 4x4, or 2

wheel drive. Same concept in buying and building computers.

 

Only person you can blame for your situation is you, and the only road block

that we face in everyday life are self imposed.

--

 

 

"Kue2" wrote:

> Jupiter

> You actually believe what you write?

>

> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message

> news:edy92baPIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> > Your opinion, not in fact.

> > The software manufacturer and not us the users decide when software is no

> > longer in Beta.

> > The users simply choose if and when to use the software, no one forces us.

> >

> > Windows Vista performs well on two older computers of mine.

> >

> > --

> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]

> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

> >

> >

> >

> > "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> > news:%23bwlJNaPIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >>

> >> Jupiter

> >> Vista is in beta with or without the SP1!

> >

>

>

[Guest xfile]

Re: Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

 

Hi,

 

I totally agree with you! The only problem for today's computers is - it's

still too technical!

 

For experienced users, geeks, and techies, what you have mentioned are not

problems, but for average users, they have NO interests in learning all

these stuffs, and all they want to use/learn is pretty much the same for

using a consumer product, such as TV, car, cellular phone, etc. with very

little things to know for using/enjoying a product.

 

IMHO, it is the computer industry failed on consumers for asking them to

learn so much, and the thought process outside the IT industry will be

totally opposite and would expect them to learn as little as they could.

 

 

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message

news:eo3aP9ZPIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would

> be impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a wide

> range of configurations 'in house'.

>

> Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had the

> problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of my

> software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I followed

> instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP with a black

> task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I don't use registry

> cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one click' fix. I research

> everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or 'Yes'. I have learned the

> value of the 'back' button if I am not sure about something.

>

> I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any

> variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE it

> escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to myself

> 'Oh well, I guess this happens after a while'.

>

> There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the

> choice for the individual to make.

>

> Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back

> to what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you

> have a crippled system before thinking about this.

>

> Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time to

> research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to make.

>

> None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it

> all' is where the tears start.

>

> --

> Mike Hall - MVP

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

>

>

>

>

> "Kue2" <Kue2@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23YS5ypZPIHA.2000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for

>> the privilege.

>> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak

>> 1,v.668.).

>