Intel 64 (core 2 duo) and Vista

December 15, 2007

I really need to replace my old laptop. While I'd prefer the AMD 64

(which i use on my desktop), it seems the notebook market likes

Intel,at least the one with the features I want.

So what is this Intel 64 used in the core 2 duo (Thinkpad T61 to be

specific.] I've seen it listed as 86_64, but that is the AMD

instruction set.

What does it cost to buy the 64 bit CD? I see it is "free" with

ultimate vista.

Has anyone here upgraded a T61 to 64 bits.

Are any of the versions of VIsta so cheap that they don't support dual

core?

December 15, 2007

Re: Intel 64 (core 2 duo) and Vista

Vista does not come on a cd. It comes on a dvd. But I understand your

question.

86_64 was first released by AMD but now refers to any x64 cpu which is also

backwards compatible with the x86 instruction set. There is no difference

between an AMD64 instruction set and an Intel Core 2 instruction set in that

regard. I use both AMD64 Athlon x2 and Core 2 Duo to run 64 bit Vista and

64 bit XP.

The Vista x64 dvd would only be free if you purchase Vista at retail. It is

not free if your computer comes with 32 bit Vista preinstalled (as it

probably will). If you want 64 bit Vista on your new laptop, be sure to

order the new laptop that way or you will have to purchase a retail Vista to

get the 64 bit. The 64 bit dvd is included with Vista Ultimate retail

package but has to be requested for all other editions using the

instructions in the retail box for that edition.

I repeat, you will not be entitled to a free Vista 64 bit dvd if 32 bit

Vista comes preinstalled on your computer. Preinstalled Windows is OEM and

not retail.

<miso@sushi.com> wrote in message

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>I really need to replace my old laptop. While I'd prefer the AMD 64

> (which i use on my desktop), it seems the notebook market likes

> Intel,at least the one with the features I want.

>

> So what is this Intel 64 used in the core 2 duo (Thinkpad T61 to be

> specific.] I've seen it listed as 86_64, but that is the AMD

> instruction set.

>

> What does it cost to buy the 64 bit CD? I see it is "free" with

> ultimate vista.

>

> Has anyone here upgraded a T61 to 64 bits.

>

> Are any of the versions of VIsta so cheap that they don't support dual

> core?

>

December 15, 2007

Re: Intel 64 (core 2 duo) and Vista

On Dec 14, 8:04 pm, "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarha...@msn.com> wrote:

> Vista does not come on a cd. It comes on a dvd. But I understand your

> question.

>

> 86_64 was first released by AMD but now refers to any x64 cpu which is also

> backwards compatible with the x86 instruction set. There is no difference

> between an AMD64 instruction set and an Intel Core 2 instruction set in that

> regard. I use both AMD64 Athlon x2 and Core 2 Duo to run 64 bit Vista and

> 64 bit XP.

>

> The Vista x64 dvd would only be free if you purchase Vista at retail. It is

> not free if your computer comes with 32 bit Vista preinstalled (as it

> probably will). If you want 64 bit Vista on your new laptop, be sure to

> order the new laptop that way or you will have to purchase a retail Vista to

> get the 64 bit. The 64 bit dvd is included with Vista Ultimate retail

> package but has to be requested for all other editions using the

> instructions in the retail box for that edition.

>

> I repeat, you will not be entitled to a free Vista 64 bit dvd if 32 bit

> Vista comes preinstalled on your computer. Preinstalled Windows is OEM and

> not retail.

>

> <m...@sushi.com> wrote in message

>

> news:eb7b2635-0b0d-46c2-938f-3f53b2dda528@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>

> >I really need to replace my old laptop. While I'd prefer the AMD 64

> > (which i use on my desktop), it seems the notebook market likes

> > Intel,at least the one with the features I want.

>

> > So what is this Intel 64 used in the core 2 duo (Thinkpad T61 to be

> > specific.] I've seen it listed as 86_64, but that is the AMD

> > instruction set.

>

> > What does it cost to buy the 64 bit CD? I see it is "free" with

> > ultimate vista.

>

> > Has anyone here upgraded a T61 to 64 bits.

>

> > Are any of the versions of VIsta so cheap that they don't support dual

> > core?

Thanks. I would have never expected I couldn't purchase the 64 bit

OS.

Other than x64 being a dead end product, I wouldn't mind running it on

the notebook. I do nothing with DRM, which as far as I can tell is all

VIsta buys you.

Since they don't sell X64 anymore, are these ads you see on the net

legit? Example

http://www.cietdirect.com/product_special_detail.php?s=1&id=163

December 15, 2007

Re: Intel 64 (core 2 duo) and Vista

x64 is not a dead product. Where did you get that idea? In fact Vista may

be the last version of Windows to have a 32-bit version. 64-bits will be

all there is in a few years. XP Pro x64 is still in active support and

still being sold by outlets like NewEgg.

The ad you linked to is legit. However, some of the description is just

plain wrong. For example,

"Full Version - NOT an upgrade version but will perform an upgrade on 95% of

computers. Buy a full version at an upgrade price," is just plain nonsense.

Firstly, there is no such thing as an XP Pro x64 Upgrade edition anyway so

there is no such thing as an upgrade price; secondly, the box pictured has

nothing to do with XP Pro x64 (it is an XP Pro SP2 box); and, thirdly. it

will NOT perform an upgrade because there is no upgrade path from any 32-bit

Windows to any 64-bit Windows. There is no upgrade functionality in XP Pro

x64 because there are no previous 64-bit versions of Windows to upgrade and

OEM products are for computers without an operating system and therefore

"upgrading" is irrelevant.

This ad is for a standard OEM copy of XP Pro x64 and as such is a good

price. The person who wrote the description simply had no idea what he was

talking about, but don't let that throw you.

You certainly can purchase a 64-bit OS and there are companies who will sell

you either XP Pro x64 preinstalled on a new laptop, or Vista Home Premium

x64 or Vista Ultimate x64 preinstalled. You just have to look.

<miso@sushi.com> wrote in message

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> On Dec 14, 8:04 pm, "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarha...@msn.com> wrote:

>> Vista does not come on a cd. It comes on a dvd. But I understand your

>> question.

>>

>> 86_64 was first released by AMD but now refers to any x64 cpu which is

>> also

>> backwards compatible with the x86 instruction set. There is no

>> difference

>> between an AMD64 instruction set and an Intel Core 2 instruction set in

>> that

>> regard. I use both AMD64 Athlon x2 and Core 2 Duo to run 64 bit Vista

>> and

>> 64 bit XP.

>>

>> The Vista x64 dvd would only be free if you purchase Vista at retail. It

>> is

>> not free if your computer comes with 32 bit Vista preinstalled (as it

>> probably will). If you want 64 bit Vista on your new laptop, be sure to

>> order the new laptop that way or you will have to purchase a retail Vista

>> to

>> get the 64 bit. The 64 bit dvd is included with Vista Ultimate retail

>> package but has to be requested for all other editions using the

>> instructions in the retail box for that edition.

>>

>> I repeat, you will not be entitled to a free Vista 64 bit dvd if 32 bit

>> Vista comes preinstalled on your computer. Preinstalled Windows is OEM

>> and

>> not retail.

>>

>> <m...@sushi.com> wrote in message

>>

>> news:eb7b2635-0b0d-46c2-938f-3f53b2dda528@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> >I really need to replace my old laptop. While I'd prefer the AMD 64

>> > (which i use on my desktop), it seems the notebook market likes

>> > Intel,at least the one with the features I want.

>>

>> > So what is this Intel 64 used in the core 2 duo (Thinkpad T61 to be

>> > specific.] I've seen it listed as 86_64, but that is the AMD

>> > instruction set.

>>

>> > What does it cost to buy the 64 bit CD? I see it is "free" with

>> > ultimate vista.

>>

>> > Has anyone here upgraded a T61 to 64 bits.

>>

>> > Are any of the versions of VIsta so cheap that they don't support dual

>> > core?

>

> Thanks. I would have never expected I couldn't purchase the 64 bit

> OS.

>

> Other than x64 being a dead end product, I wouldn't mind running it on

> the notebook. I do nothing with DRM, which as far as I can tell is all

> VIsta buys you.

>

> Since they don't sell X64 anymore, are these ads you see on the net

> legit? Example

> http://www.cietdirect.com/product_special_detail.php?s=1&id=163

December 16, 2007

Re: Intel 64 (core 2 duo) and Vista

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message

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>

> The Vista x64 dvd would only be free if you purchase Vista at retail. It

> is not free if your computer comes with 32 bit Vista preinstalled (as it

> probably will). If you want 64 bit Vista on your new laptop, be sure to

> order the new laptop that way or you will have to purchase a retail Vista

> to get the 64 bit.

Just checking here Colin, since I don't know the answer myself.

If the OP were to buy a laptop with 32-bit Vista included, would he get any

kind of price break on 64-bit by using MS's easy upgrade option? I realize

moving to 64-bit is not possible as an upgrade, per se, but I wonder if at

least there's some kind of price break. In other words, he might only have

to pay the difference between the cost of the version of Vista preloaded on

the computer and the cost of 64-bit Vista. That's a little bit better than

having to pay the full retail price of 64-bit Vista.

I recently bought a laptop with 32-bit Vista on it and it came with a DVD

for the easy upgrade process. I have not checked yet to see if 64-bit is an

option there.

December 16, 2007

Re: Intel 64 (core 2 duo) and Vista

The website would not offer an Easy Upgrade option for anything but a higher

32-bit. In his case the only option would be Vista Ultimate x86 since an

"upgrade" to Vista Business would involve a loss of functionality (VHP

includes media center stuff, etc) and therefore EU would not offer it.

Easy Upgrade offers VHP and VU if you are running VHB, and VU if you are

running VHP. If you are running x86 it offers an x86 upgrade. If you are

running x64 it offers an x64 upgrade.

Since Easy Upgrade will never offer an option that facilitates migration

from Vista x86 to Vista x64, what he can do is buy a Vista Home Premium

Upgrade edition at retail and use the info contained in it to request a

64-bit dvd. (In truth, any retail 64-bit dvd is usable since the Product

Key is what really matters and all retail 64-bit dvds are just alike). As

long as he has a retail product key, anybody's retail (but not OEM) x64 dvd

will work regardless of the edition that the dvd was used to install on the

other person's machine.

Upgrading an OEM installation with a retail upgrade edition has always been

supported.

Vista to Vista is an accepted qualifying OS for upgrade pricing. VHP x86 is

acceptible to for upgrade pricing to ANY x86 or x64 edition of Vista. (In

the case of VHP x86 OEM to VHP x86 retail, one simply enters the PK in the

Change PK box on the System Properties page.)

The only edition that would allow him to perform an upgrade in place would

be VU x86. ALL others will require a Custom install.

In order to install the 64-bit version he must boot the computer with a

64-bit dvd and provide the PK when requested (there are not different PK's

for x86 and x64). Unlike the 32-bit version, he does not run the upgrade

installer from the desktop (it won't anyway). The x64 Setup will search the

system for an installation of a qualifying version of Windows (any bitness)

and then take him through the various options. Upgrade will be greyed out

and he will have to choose Custom at the appropriate time.

Unlike the 32-bit version, the 64-bit upgrade edition does allow a true

clean install (he can format the drive, partition, etc., once the upgrade

qualification is verified).

An upgrade PK does allow side-by-side (multiboot) installation if an

additional partition or disk is available.

He MUST have a cd ready with the 64-bit device drivers and utilities from

the manufacturer's website (he may not have access to the internet following

installation if the built in NIC is proprietary).

(I know you know most of this but I thought I would go through the whole

thing anyway for the sake of others reading this who would have the

inevitable questions that always came up in the Vista ng.)

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>

> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message

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>>

>> The Vista x64 dvd would only be free if you purchase Vista at retail. It

>> is not free if your computer comes with 32 bit Vista preinstalled (as it

>> probably will). If you want 64 bit Vista on your new laptop, be sure to

>> order the new laptop that way or you will have to purchase a retail Vista

>> to get the 64 bit.

>

> Just checking here Colin, since I don't know the answer myself.

> If the OP were to buy a laptop with 32-bit Vista included, would he get

> any kind of price break on 64-bit by using MS's easy upgrade option? I

> realize moving to 64-bit is not possible as an upgrade, per se, but I

> wonder if at least there's some kind of price break. In other words, he

> might only have to pay the difference between the cost of the version of

> Vista preloaded on the computer and the cost of 64-bit Vista. That's a

> little bit better than having to pay the full retail price of 64-bit

> Vista.

> I recently bought a laptop with 32-bit Vista on it and it came with a DVD

> for the easy upgrade process. I have not checked yet to see if 64-bit is

> an option there.

December 16, 2007

Re: Intel 64 (core 2 duo) and Vista

I strayed a bit from the your original question. There is no price

difference between x86 and x64 so there would be no price break to give.

Having said this, I realize that some system builders are charging a few

dollars more for the x64 version (preinstalled, of course). But Easy

Upgrade does not charge more for x64 than x86. It doesn't let you choose

between them, however.