Guest shadow Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not 32-bit i am waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and start on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new software to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to do this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit windows we can not wait
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS has not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit machines out there now. Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the third-party software folks who need to increase their support for 64-bit, not MS. "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not 32-bit i > am > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and > start > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new > software > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to do > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit windows > we > can not wait
Guest shadow Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows MS need start supporting 64-bit OS third-party software need to support for 64-bit i saw bill gates keynotes about 64-bit OS it looks more better then 32-bit OS i also use 64-bit OS its more faster then 32-bit and its more safer then 64-bit OS all the Virus are in 32-bit that could be why mac OS X have no virus, MS need to start sharing there Final Version of the OS code to third-party because they can start develop more better software for the new 64-bit OS, When MS said something they don't always do it. i am happy for Window Server 2008 is the last 32-bit version now people can be safer. I also no more and more people have 64-bit intel Processor or AMD Processor. "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS has > not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. > Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit > machines out there now. > > Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is > supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting > 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the > third-party software folks who need to increase their support for 64-bit, > not MS. > > "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... > > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not 32-bit i > > am > > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and > > start > > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new > > software > > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to do > > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit windows > > we > > can not wait >
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows 32-bit software runs natively under 64-bit Windows, including viruses. OS X doesn't have as many viruses because nobody cares about OS X. It has too small a market share to be any fun attacking it. All the action is in the Windows world. MS isn't going to share any code with third-party manufacturers. It's code is proprietary. The makers of third party software are responsible for supporting 64-bits. Gripe at them, not MS. MS is not some government agency that goes around telling people what they have to do. The marketplace will take of that in good time. "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:F92F7566-233E-4892-957A-A2A44820B3DC@microsoft.com... > MS need start supporting 64-bit OS third-party software need to support > for > 64-bit i saw bill gates keynotes about 64-bit OS it looks more better then > 32-bit OS i also use 64-bit OS its more faster then 32-bit and its more > safer > then 64-bit OS all the Virus are in 32-bit that could be why mac OS X have > no > virus, MS need to start sharing there Final Version of the OS code to > third-party because they can start develop more better software for the > new > 64-bit OS, When MS said something they don't always do it. i am happy for > Window Server 2008 is the last 32-bit version now people can be safer. I > also > no more and more people have 64-bit intel Processor or AMD Processor. > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > >> Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS >> has >> not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. >> Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit >> machines out there now. >> >> Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is >> supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting >> 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the >> third-party software folks who need to increase their support for 64-bit, >> not MS. >> >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... >> > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not >> > 32-bit i >> > am >> > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and >> > start >> > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new >> > software >> > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to >> > do >> > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit >> > windows >> > we >> > can not wait >>
Guest shadow Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows 32-bit runs under 64-bit windows that a lie 32-bit software is Incomplete with windows 64-bit and windows 64 is the future of windows kid for being a MVP you don't no your windows that well "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > 32-bit software runs natively under 64-bit Windows, including viruses. OS X > doesn't have as many viruses because nobody cares about OS X. It has too > small a market share to be any fun attacking it. All the action is in the > Windows world. > > MS isn't going to share any code with third-party manufacturers. It's code > is proprietary. > > The makers of third party software are responsible for supporting 64-bits. > Gripe at them, not MS. MS is not some government agency that goes around > telling people what they have to do. The marketplace will take of that in > good time. > > "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:F92F7566-233E-4892-957A-A2A44820B3DC@microsoft.com... > > MS need start supporting 64-bit OS third-party software need to support > > for > > 64-bit i saw bill gates keynotes about 64-bit OS it looks more better then > > 32-bit OS i also use 64-bit OS its more faster then 32-bit and its more > > safer > > then 64-bit OS all the Virus are in 32-bit that could be why mac OS X have > > no > > virus, MS need to start sharing there Final Version of the OS code to > > third-party because they can start develop more better software for the > > new > > 64-bit OS, When MS said something they don't always do it. i am happy for > > Window Server 2008 is the last 32-bit version now people can be safer. I > > also > > no more and more people have 64-bit intel Processor or AMD Processor. > > > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > > > >> Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS > >> has > >> not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. > >> Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit > >> machines out there now. > >> > >> Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is > >> supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting > >> 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the > >> third-party software folks who need to increase their support for 64-bit, > >> not MS. > >> > >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... > >> > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not > >> > 32-bit i > >> > am > >> > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and > >> > start > >> > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new > >> > software > >> > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to > >> > do > >> > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit > >> > windows > >> > we > >> > can not wait > >> >
Guest Greg Lamonte Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message > Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is > supporting 64-bit sufficiently That is not the problem, the problem is the other guys. It seems like everyone just ignores 64bit. The software of today is for 32 bit OS so why waste money and buy Windows XP 64 or Vista 64 bit if other vendors don't support them? Besides, computer magazines claim that Vista is slower than XP. Go figure.
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows Nonsense. There isn't even a 64-bit version of Office and it runs just fine on my Vista Ultimate x64 box. The 64-bit processors contain all the standard instructions for running x86 software. That's why you see "86_64" describing the Intel Core processors. That's also why the newer x64 instruction set is called "extensions." In any case, if 32-bit software couldn't run there would be no reason to have the WOW64 layer or to have the Programs Files(x86) folder in x64 Windows. I don't want to resort to suggesting that you could drive at your IQ without risking getting a ticket, but you do need to better inform yourself on what's up these days with running software on the new operating systems. "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:46E995A5-78F2-4B6E-B61A-05CC60668E18@microsoft.com... > 32-bit runs under 64-bit windows that a lie 32-bit software is Incomplete > with windows 64-bit and windows 64 is the future of windows kid for being > a > MVP you don't no your windows that well > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > >> 32-bit software runs natively under 64-bit Windows, including viruses. >> OS X >> doesn't have as many viruses because nobody cares about OS X. It has too >> small a market share to be any fun attacking it. All the action is in >> the >> Windows world. >> >> MS isn't going to share any code with third-party manufacturers. It's >> code >> is proprietary. >> >> The makers of third party software are responsible for supporting >> 64-bits. >> Gripe at them, not MS. MS is not some government agency that goes around >> telling people what they have to do. The marketplace will take of that >> in >> good time. >> >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:F92F7566-233E-4892-957A-A2A44820B3DC@microsoft.com... >> > MS need start supporting 64-bit OS third-party software need to support >> > for >> > 64-bit i saw bill gates keynotes about 64-bit OS it looks more better >> > then >> > 32-bit OS i also use 64-bit OS its more faster then 32-bit and its more >> > safer >> > then 64-bit OS all the Virus are in 32-bit that could be why mac OS X >> > have >> > no >> > virus, MS need to start sharing there Final Version of the OS code to >> > third-party because they can start develop more better software for the >> > new >> > 64-bit OS, When MS said something they don't always do it. i am happy >> > for >> > Window Server 2008 is the last 32-bit version now people can be safer. >> > I >> > also >> > no more and more people have 64-bit intel Processor or AMD Processor. >> > >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: >> > >> >> Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS >> >> has >> >> not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. >> >> Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit >> >> machines out there now. >> >> >> >> Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is >> >> supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting >> >> 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the >> >> third-party software folks who need to increase their support for >> >> 64-bit, >> >> not MS. >> >> >> >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... >> >> > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not >> >> > 32-bit i >> >> > am >> >> > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit >> >> > and >> >> > start >> >> > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new >> >> > software >> >> > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going >> >> > to >> >> > do >> >> > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit >> >> > windows >> >> > we >> >> > can not wait >> >> >>
Guest shadow Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows All of you download 64-bit windows XP and see the speed of 64-bit and performance of 64-bite use it for one day and come back here wote the good and bad things about windows XP 64-bit ok and you will see the power of a real OS and a Normal OS 32-bit system, The future of all OS is 64-bit and look at the pass OS 32-bit "Greg Lamonte" wrote: > > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message > > > Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is > > supporting 64-bit sufficiently > > That is not the problem, the problem is the other guys. It seems like > everyone just ignores 64bit. The software of today is for 32 bit OS so why > waste money and buy Windows XP 64 or Vista 64 bit if other vendors don't > support them? Besides, computer magazines claim that Vista is slower than > XP. Go figure. > > >
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows What the heck do you think the people in a newsgroup titled "microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general" are running? Commodore 64's? "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CD5A6729-7FA1-4591-9E5F-E19267D08356@microsoft.com... > All of you download 64-bit windows XP and see the speed of 64-bit and > performance of 64-bite use it for one day and come back here wote the good > and bad things about windows XP 64-bit ok and you will see the power of a > real OS and a Normal OS 32-bit system, The future of all OS is 64-bit and > look at the pass OS 32-bit > > "Greg Lamonte" wrote: > >> >> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message >> >> > Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is >> > supporting 64-bit sufficiently >> >> That is not the problem, the problem is the other guys. It seems like >> everyone just ignores 64bit. The software of today is for 32 bit OS so >> why >> waste money and buy Windows XP 64 or Vista 64 bit if other vendors don't >> support them? Besides, computer magazines claim that Vista is slower than >> XP. Go figure. >> >> >>
Guest Gary Mount Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows I think that it would be more important to improve Windows for the future many multi core cpu's that will be coming out. Also hybrid cpu's that include gpu cores or other types of cores besides general purpose cpu cores. Also what about 128 bit? Wouldn't there be benefits to have 128 bit functionality inside of a cpu? I don't mean about the amount of memory that can be accessed with 128 bit addressing, but about math type computing. "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message news:F98E63A1-B65D-4E24-8965-3E5AE0EA8167@microsoft.com... > Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS has > not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. > Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit > machines out there now. > > Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is > supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting > 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the > third-party software folks who need to increase their support for 64-bit, > not MS. > > "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... >> When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not 32-bit >> i am >> waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and >> start >> on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new >> software >> to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to >> do >> this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit windows >> we >> can not wait >
Guest Gary Mount Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows I think you are confusing drivers with applications. drivers must be 64 bit on the 64 bit o/s, applications can be 32 bit or 64 bit. "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:46E995A5-78F2-4B6E-B61A-05CC60668E18@microsoft.com... > 32-bit runs under 64-bit windows that a lie 32-bit software is Incomplete > with windows 64-bit and windows 64 is the future of windows kid for being > a > MVP you don't no your windows that well > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > >> 32-bit software runs natively under 64-bit Windows, including viruses. >> OS X >> doesn't have as many viruses because nobody cares about OS X. It has too >> small a market share to be any fun attacking it. All the action is in >> the >> Windows world. >> >> MS isn't going to share any code with third-party manufacturers. It's >> code >> is proprietary. >> >> The makers of third party software are responsible for supporting >> 64-bits. >> Gripe at them, not MS. MS is not some government agency that goes around >> telling people what they have to do. The marketplace will take of that >> in >> good time. >> >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:F92F7566-233E-4892-957A-A2A44820B3DC@microsoft.com... >> > MS need start supporting 64-bit OS third-party software need to support >> > for >> > 64-bit i saw bill gates keynotes about 64-bit OS it looks more better >> > then >> > 32-bit OS i also use 64-bit OS its more faster then 32-bit and its more >> > safer >> > then 64-bit OS all the Virus are in 32-bit that could be why mac OS X >> > have >> > no >> > virus, MS need to start sharing there Final Version of the OS code to >> > third-party because they can start develop more better software for the >> > new >> > 64-bit OS, When MS said something they don't always do it. i am happy >> > for >> > Window Server 2008 is the last 32-bit version now people can be safer. >> > I >> > also >> > no more and more people have 64-bit intel Processor or AMD Processor. >> > >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: >> > >> >> Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS >> >> has >> >> not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. >> >> Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit >> >> machines out there now. >> >> >> >> Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is >> >> supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting >> >> 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the >> >> third-party software folks who need to increase their support for >> >> 64-bit, >> >> not MS. >> >> >> >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... >> >> > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not >> >> > 32-bit i >> >> > am >> >> > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit >> >> > and >> >> > start >> >> > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new >> >> > software >> >> > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going >> >> > to >> >> > do >> >> > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit >> >> > windows >> >> > we >> >> > can not wait >> >> >>
Guest Gary Mount Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows I have a Commodore 64 sitting beside me. As I pick it up I see that one of the keys on the keyboard has broken. Apparently my Sony Betamax fell over onto my commodore 64 computer and broke it. I have got to put these valuable antiques away into a vault for safe keeping. "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message news:B0A8A280-81D7-481E-B758-E3BBA1B49DD7@microsoft.com... > What the heck do you think the people in a newsgroup titled > "microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general" are running? Commodore 64's? > > "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:CD5A6729-7FA1-4591-9E5F-E19267D08356@microsoft.com... >> All of you download 64-bit windows XP and see the speed of 64-bit and >> performance of 64-bite use it for one day and come back here wote the >> good >> and bad things about windows XP 64-bit ok and you will see the power of a >> real OS and a Normal OS 32-bit system, The future of all OS is 64-bit and >> look at the pass OS 32-bit >> >> "Greg Lamonte" wrote: >> >>> >>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message >>> >>> > Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is >>> > supporting 64-bit sufficiently >>> >>> That is not the problem, the problem is the other guys. It seems like >>> everyone just ignores 64bit. The software of today is for 32 bit OS so >>> why >>> waste money and buy Windows XP 64 or Vista 64 bit if other vendors don't >>> support them? Besides, computer magazines claim that Vista is slower >>> than >>> XP. Go figure. >>> >>> >>> >
Guest Theo Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows And, apparently you don't 'know' how to spell correctly! shadow wrote: > 32-bit runs under 64-bit windows that a lie 32-bit software is Incomplete > with windows 64-bit and windows 64 is the future of windows kid for being a > MVP you don't no your windows that well > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > >> 32-bit software runs natively under 64-bit Windows, including viruses. OS X >> doesn't have as many viruses because nobody cares about OS X. It has too >> small a market share to be any fun attacking it. All the action is in the >> Windows world. >> >> MS isn't going to share any code with third-party manufacturers. It's code >> is proprietary. >> >> The makers of third party software are responsible for supporting 64-bits. >> Gripe at them, not MS. MS is not some government agency that goes around >> telling people what they have to do. The marketplace will take of that in >> good time. >> >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:F92F7566-233E-4892-957A-A2A44820B3DC@microsoft.com... >>> MS need start supporting 64-bit OS third-party software need to support >>> for >>> 64-bit i saw bill gates keynotes about 64-bit OS it looks more better then >>> 32-bit OS i also use 64-bit OS its more faster then 32-bit and its more >>> safer >>> then 64-bit OS all the Virus are in 32-bit that could be why mac OS X have >>> no >>> virus, MS need to start sharing there Final Version of the OS code to >>> third-party because they can start develop more better software for the >>> new >>> 64-bit OS, When MS said something they don't always do it. i am happy for >>> Window Server 2008 is the last 32-bit version now people can be safer. I >>> also >>> no more and more people have 64-bit intel Processor or AMD Processor. >>> >>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: >>> >>>> Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS >>>> has >>>> not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. >>>> Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit >>>> machines out there now. >>>> >>>> Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is >>>> supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting >>>> 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the >>>> third-party software folks who need to increase their support for 64-bit, >>>> not MS. >>>> >>>> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... >>>>> When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not >>>>> 32-bit i >>>>> am >>>>> waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and >>>>> start >>>>> on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new >>>>> software >>>>> to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to >>>>> do >>>>> this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit >>>>> windows >>>>> we >>>>> can not wait
Guest Carlos Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows shadow, Colin is, among others, one of the most respected guys in this NG. He is very knowledgeable and deserves your respect. Carlos "shadow" wrote: > 32-bit runs under 64-bit windows that a lie 32-bit software is Incomplete > with windows 64-bit and windows 64 is the future of windows kid for being a > MVP you don't no your windows that well > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > > > 32-bit software runs natively under 64-bit Windows, including viruses. OS X > > doesn't have as many viruses because nobody cares about OS X. It has too > > small a market share to be any fun attacking it. All the action is in the > > Windows world. > > > > MS isn't going to share any code with third-party manufacturers. It's code > > is proprietary. > > > > The makers of third party software are responsible for supporting 64-bits. > > Gripe at them, not MS. MS is not some government agency that goes around > > telling people what they have to do. The marketplace will take of that in > > good time. > > > > "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:F92F7566-233E-4892-957A-A2A44820B3DC@microsoft.com... > > > MS need start supporting 64-bit OS third-party software need to support > > > for > > > 64-bit i saw bill gates keynotes about 64-bit OS it looks more better then > > > 32-bit OS i also use 64-bit OS its more faster then 32-bit and its more > > > safer > > > then 64-bit OS all the Virus are in 32-bit that could be why mac OS X have > > > no > > > virus, MS need to start sharing there Final Version of the OS code to > > > third-party because they can start develop more better software for the > > > new > > > 64-bit OS, When MS said something they don't always do it. i am happy for > > > Window Server 2008 is the last 32-bit version now people can be safer. I > > > also > > > no more and more people have 64-bit intel Processor or AMD Processor. > > > > > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > > > > > >> Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS > > >> has > > >> not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. > > >> Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit > > >> machines out there now. > > >> > > >> Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is > > >> supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting > > >> 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the > > >> third-party software folks who need to increase their support for 64-bit, > > >> not MS. > > >> > > >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >> news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... > > >> > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not > > >> > 32-bit i > > >> > am > > >> > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and > > >> > start > > >> > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new > > >> > software > > >> > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to > > >> > do > > >> > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit > > >> > windows > > >> > we > > >> > can not wait > > >> > >
Guest Tom Ferguson Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows It's great that you are so passionate about computing and its future. You might want to have a look at the difference between the same generation of Intel and Motorola processors. It is interesting how their respective choice of memory architecture has influenced the design of the CPU and the influence that has had on OS design. (early MS and Apple/Mac OSs) Also of interest is a comparison of the assembly language code needed to multiply floating point numerals on each processor. It is also interesting to compare the amount of code with the same processor using 8,16,32 bits respectively. It is also interesting to note the difference in code complexity when a seemingly simple question must be answered: is x=y? (That translates, in machine terms, to: is the content of one given stack, register, or memory location the same as the content in another given stack, register, or memory location?) How I ramble on. Dude, I hope your interest continues! Tom Ferguson "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not 32-bit i > am > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and > start > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new > software > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to do > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit windows > we > can not wait
Guest R. C. White Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows Hi, Gary. Wow! A 64-bit Commodore! When was that built - about 1980? Oh. Not 64-bit. But 64 KILObytes of RAM? Let's see now, I just doubled the RAM in my 64-bit computer to 4 GIGAbytes of PC-6400. How's that for progress! ;<) My guess is that "shadow" was not yet born when that Commodore 64 was built. ;^} By the way, did you see the January 2008 issue of PC World magazine? On page 81 is a small report on the new Commodore GX gaming machine. They looked at the $3,000 model. ;<) RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX rc@grandecom.net Microsoft Windows MVP (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64) "Gary Mount" <gary_mount@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:661A93CE-B529-4261-A2A8-0AB498F1EF18@microsoft.com... > I have a Commodore 64 sitting beside me. > As I pick it up I see that one of the keys on the keyboard has broken. > Apparently my Sony Betamax fell over onto my commodore 64 computer and > broke it. > I have got to put these valuable antiques away into a vault for safe > keeping. > > > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message > news:B0A8A280-81D7-481E-B758-E3BBA1B49DD7@microsoft.com... >> What the heck do you think the people in a newsgroup titled >> "microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general" are running? Commodore 64's? >> >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:CD5A6729-7FA1-4591-9E5F-E19267D08356@microsoft.com... >>> All of you download 64-bit windows XP and see the speed of 64-bit and >>> performance of 64-bite use it for one day and come back here wote the >>> good >>> and bad things about windows XP 64-bit ok and you will see the power of >>> a >>> real OS and a Normal OS 32-bit system, The future of all OS is 64-bit >>> and >>> look at the pass OS 32-bit
Guest shadow Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows yea what about 128-bit computing and new Processor that are going out you MVPs no info about this yet, I no about commodore 64 i us one in my life time so it was cool but i am happy that new computers are more better then old commodore was "Gary Mount" wrote: > I think that it would be more important to improve Windows for the future > many multi core cpu's that will be coming out. Also hybrid cpu's that > include gpu cores or other types of cores besides general purpose cpu cores. > Also what about 128 bit? Wouldn't there be benefits to have 128 bit > functionality inside of a cpu? I don't mean about the amount of memory that > can be accessed with 128 bit addressing, but about math type computing. > > > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message > news:F98E63A1-B65D-4E24-8965-3E5AE0EA8167@microsoft.com... > > Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS has > > not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. > > Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit > > machines out there now. > > > > Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is > > supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting > > 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the > > third-party software folks who need to increase their support for 64-bit, > > not MS. > > > > "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... > >> When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not 32-bit > >> i am > >> waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and > >> start > >> on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new > >> software > >> to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to > >> do > >> this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit windows > >> we > >> can not wait > >
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows I can see you with a Commodore 64. I used to sell them. "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:0C387D19-C0B8-465E-9120-F01E208195E8@microsoft.com... > yea what about 128-bit computing and new Processor that are going out you > MVPs no info about this yet, I no about commodore 64 i us one in my life > time > so it was cool but i am happy that new computers are more better then old > commodore was > > "Gary Mount" wrote: > >> I think that it would be more important to improve Windows for the future >> many multi core cpu's that will be coming out. Also hybrid cpu's that >> include gpu cores or other types of cores besides general purpose cpu >> cores. >> Also what about 128 bit? Wouldn't there be benefits to have 128 bit >> functionality inside of a cpu? I don't mean about the amount of memory >> that >> can be accessed with 128 bit addressing, but about math type computing. >> >> >> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:F98E63A1-B65D-4E24-8965-3E5AE0EA8167@microsoft.com... >> > Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS >> > has >> > not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. >> > Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit >> > machines out there now. >> > >> > Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is >> > supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting >> > 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the >> > third-party software folks who need to increase their support for >> > 64-bit, >> > not MS. >> > >> > "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... >> >> When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not >> >> 32-bit >> >> i am >> >> waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit >> >> and >> >> start >> >> on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new >> >> software >> >> to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going >> >> to >> >> do >> >> this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit >> >> windows >> >> we >> >> can not wait >> >
Guest shadow Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows Is there away MS can find to change the code because windows can Enable 64-bit to got a performance boost on a 32-bit OS if people have a 64-bit Processor is it possible "Tom Ferguson" wrote: > It's great that you are so passionate about computing and its future. You > might want to have a look at the difference between the same generation of > Intel and Motorola processors. It is interesting how their respective choice > of memory architecture has influenced the design of the CPU and the > influence that has had on OS design. (early MS and Apple/Mac OSs) > > Also of interest is a comparison of the assembly language code needed to > multiply floating point numerals on each processor. It is also interesting > to compare the amount of code with the same processor using 8,16,32 bits > respectively. It is also interesting to note the difference in code > complexity when a seemingly simple question must be answered: is x=y? (That > translates, in machine terms, to: is the content of one given stack, > register, or memory location the same as the content in another given stack, > register, or memory location?) > > How I ramble on. Dude, I hope your interest continues! > > Tom Ferguson > > > "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... > > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not 32-bit i > > am > > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and > > start > > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new > > software > > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to do > > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit windows > > we > > can not wait > >
Guest Carlos Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows I was on the MSX bandwagon. MSX standed for "Microsoft Extended" A wild experiment between MS and the japanese industry that produced what I consider the best 8 bit computers of their age. They even had graphic acceleration before the PC did. Sadly the marked decided otherwise. :( Carlos "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > I can see you with a Commodore 64. I used to sell them. > > "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:0C387D19-C0B8-465E-9120-F01E208195E8@microsoft.com... > > yea what about 128-bit computing and new Processor that are going out you > > MVPs no info about this yet, I no about commodore 64 i us one in my life > > time > > so it was cool but i am happy that new computers are more better then old > > commodore was > > > > "Gary Mount" wrote: > > > >> I think that it would be more important to improve Windows for the future > >> many multi core cpu's that will be coming out. Also hybrid cpu's that > >> include gpu cores or other types of cores besides general purpose cpu > >> cores. > >> Also what about 128 bit? Wouldn't there be benefits to have 128 bit > >> functionality inside of a cpu? I don't mean about the amount of memory > >> that > >> can be accessed with 128 bit addressing, but about math type computing. > >> > >> > >> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message > >> news:F98E63A1-B65D-4E24-8965-3E5AE0EA8167@microsoft.com... > >> > Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS > >> > has > >> > not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version. > >> > Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit > >> > machines out there now. > >> > > >> > Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is > >> > supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting > >> > 32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the > >> > third-party software folks who need to increase their support for > >> > 64-bit, > >> > not MS. > >> > > >> > "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> > news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... > >> >> When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not > >> >> 32-bit > >> >> i am > >> >> waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit > >> >> and > >> >> start > >> >> on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new > >> >> software > >> >> to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going > >> >> to > >> >> do > >> >> this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit > >> >> windows > >> >> we > >> >> can not wait > >> > >
Guest Jud Hendrix Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:54:00 -0800, Carlos <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >I was on the MSX bandwagon. >MSX standed for "Microsoft Extended" >A wild experiment between MS and the japanese industry that produced what I >consider the best 8 bit computers of their age. I loved my BBC model B. It was so modern, you could add a 360kB (later 720kB) floppy drive :-)) Decent keyboard and all. And I used to be able to program it with 6502-assembler, and do home-automation with it. Ahhh the fun :-D jud
Guest Tom Ferguson Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows To answer such a question fully, you might want to have a look at the topic of emulation-writing code that lets the code written for one set of hardware run on another. The short answer is that it is possible but not simple. In effect, you could set up a system that would install on either a 32 or 64 bit system. It would be possible to distribute a 64 bit system only and install an emulator package so the 32 bit processor would run the emulator which the OS would use as if, together they were a physical 64 bit processor. Performance would suffer somewhat. In the interests of optimizing the system for best performance, MS (and various distributions of Linux) have chosen to distribute specific systems for each on separate media or by separate download packages. You might be interested in looking into the MS WOW system found in various MS OSs. Tom Ferguson "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:51B8E078-49EE-40B0-92E2-8F0AEEDB9298@microsoft.com... > Is there away MS can find to change the code because windows can Enable > 64-bit to got a performance boost on a 32-bit OS if people have a 64-bit > Processor is it possible > > "Tom Ferguson" wrote: > >> It's great that you are so passionate about computing and its future. You >> might want to have a look at the difference between the same generation >> of >> Intel and Motorola processors. It is interesting how their respective >> choice >> of memory architecture has influenced the design of the CPU and the >> influence that has had on OS design. (early MS and Apple/Mac OSs) >> >> Also of interest is a comparison of the assembly language code needed to >> multiply floating point numerals on each processor. It is also >> interesting >> to compare the amount of code with the same processor using 8,16,32 bits >> respectively. It is also interesting to note the difference in code >> complexity when a seemingly simple question must be answered: is x=y? >> (That >> translates, in machine terms, to: is the content of one given stack, >> register, or memory location the same as the content in another given >> stack, >> register, or memory location?) >> >> How I ramble on. Dude, I hope your interest continues! >> >> Tom Ferguson >> >> >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... >> > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not >> > 32-bit i >> > am >> > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and >> > start >> > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new >> > software >> > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to >> > do >> > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit >> > windows >> > we >> > can not wait >> >>
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows No. The OS source code has to be compiled with the 64-bit target flag set in order to create a 64-bit system. "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:51B8E078-49EE-40B0-92E2-8F0AEEDB9298@microsoft.com... > Is there away MS can find to change the code because windows can Enable > 64-bit to got a performance boost on a 32-bit OS if people have a 64-bit > Processor is it possible > > "Tom Ferguson" wrote: > >> It's great that you are so passionate about computing and its future. You >> might want to have a look at the difference between the same generation >> of >> Intel and Motorola processors. It is interesting how their respective >> choice >> of memory architecture has influenced the design of the CPU and the >> influence that has had on OS design. (early MS and Apple/Mac OSs) >> >> Also of interest is a comparison of the assembly language code needed to >> multiply floating point numerals on each processor. It is also >> interesting >> to compare the amount of code with the same processor using 8,16,32 bits >> respectively. It is also interesting to note the difference in code >> complexity when a seemingly simple question must be answered: is x=y? >> (That >> translates, in machine terms, to: is the content of one given stack, >> register, or memory location the same as the content in another given >> stack, >> register, or memory location?) >> >> How I ramble on. Dude, I hope your interest continues! >> >> Tom Ferguson >> >> >> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... >> > When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not >> > 32-bit i >> > am >> > waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and >> > start >> > on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new >> > software >> > to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to >> > do >> > this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit >> > windows >> > we >> > can not wait >> >>
Guest Greg Lamonte Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > shadow, > Colin is, among others, one of the most respected guys in this NG. > He is very knowledgeable and deserves your respect. > Carlos Fine, homes, ask him to pull his pants down and I'll kiss his ass. Ya want yours kissed, too?
Guest Greg Lamonte Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message >I can see you with a Commodore 64. I used to sell them. ....And now you are peddling Windows. What an upgrade, keep this up and you'll become real respected one day :(
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