Guest Charlie Russel - MVP Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows There are already ways to be fully compatible with 32 bit Windows in 64bit Windows. Programs like Virtual Server and Virtual PC, for example, create an entire 32-bit emulated environment in which any 32-bit program can run. They're slower than those that will run natively in WOW64, but you can even run 16 bit applications in a virtual machine. I would be astonished if MS chose to do anything additional to the next version of Windows to increase support for 32-bit programs beyond what they're already doing. There will, certainly, be better and faster virtualization technologies in it - the new Hyper-V of Windows Server 2008 is a huge step forward in that direction, though it's still lacking key features that I think are necessary. MS has already announced that the next version of Windows Server will NOT be available in 32bit. Good. There has stopped being any good reason for running 32-bit on Servers. But I strongly suspect that the next version of the Windows Client OS will still have a 32-bit version. I may be wrong, and MS certainly hasn't committed one way or another, but there have been enough hints that they'll draw the line for server but give clients one more round. -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64 http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:8A063FA3-577F-424C-AF51-2D3A73F35B67@microsoft.com... > So MVP is there news about developer making windows 64-bit backwared with > 32-bit windows on windows 7 or is it is it going to be like Windows Vista > we > have to wait for a service pack to see > > > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > >> Uh-huh. >> >> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:45C52917-F35F-4122-A95A-90AA92A73B49@microsoft.com... >> > I'm kinda feeling nostalgic down here (sob!). >> > Are we getting THAT old? >> > :) >> > Carlos >> > >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: >> > >> >> I know, its right next to the Timex-Sinclair. ;) >> >> >> >> "Dennis Pack" <dennispack@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:7B1104B3-1522-4F2A-911B-2A535E2F40A0@microsoft.com... >> >> > Colin: >> >> > I was going to jump in earlier but decided to wait. I couldn't >> >> > afford a >> >> > Commodore 64, but I still have a Vic20 in the basement. Have a great >> >> > day. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Dennis Pack >> >> > XP x64 SP2, Vista Enterprise x64 >> >> > Office Professional Plus 2007 >>
Guest Greegor Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows On Dec 19, 10:01 pm, "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgro...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, as the other guys reminisce about their mis-spent youth with Vic-20s, > Commodore 64s, Sinclairs and the like (Altair, anyone?) I built an Altair 8800B in 1978. It was not like a Heathkit. I USED and supported a VERY large number of early "Microcomputers". I was heavily involved in the C64 (1983) and XT clone (1985) explosions. In each case I was heavily immersed, eating sleeping and breathing that market. I found it interesting that somebody ridiculed the C64 because properly cabled to the 1702 monitor it actually BEAT early IBM CGA (RGB) video. I also found it interesting that somebody taunted about Beta video tape. But the Beta story is really about how lower technology (VHS) triumphed over technically superior (digital!) Beta technology because of COST and marketing strategy. Beta is STILL not dead in TV studios. I have seen heavily hyped products that were garbage. I have seen "sleeper" products, hardly mentioned that ROCKED! I have seen really good stuff that got overlooked completely. I have seen what looks like the myth about lemmings going over a cliff. I got to perform an ""autopsy"" on a 3 year old early Plasma TV. (3 year life expectancy on a $5000 TV? No thanks! ) (They're supposed to have a better life expectancy now.) A huge part of computer purchasing is about EGO even today. With my background I am amused that people see their computer as an extension of their male private parts, similar to the bragging people do on fancy cars. If you surveyed the public about Vista I would bet that most people mistakenly think that Vista is already a 64 bit OS. shadows comments might be because of this misperception. People want instant gratification and at the same time don't want something that will be out of date tomorrow. As the PC platform has somewhat stabilized, I personally think that people are less satisfied with planned obsolescence on the old timetable. As the technology gets more powerful there is still a market force trying to grab onto something that will last LONGER than the old standard 3 years old and throw it away mentality. The Green stuff is not ONLY about eco kooks. Making stuff that goes in the landfill when it's only 3 years old is getting old. Economics is an issue. I am posting this from a 2001 era PC that was literally pulled out of a dumpster three years ago. I am studying XP x64 and Vista but VERY CAREFULLY.
Guest shadow Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows Your right I just don't want to be out of date on newer technology and I see 64-bit looks Promising for a new OS with backware 32-bit computing, I... just want to be in the loop "Greegor" wrote: > On Dec 19, 10:01 pm, "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, as the other guys reminisce about their mis-spent youth with Vic-20s, > > Commodore 64s, Sinclairs and the like (Altair, anyone?) > > I built an Altair 8800B in 1978. It was not like a Heathkit. > > I USED and supported a VERY large number of early "Microcomputers". > > I was heavily involved in the C64 (1983) and XT clone (1985) > explosions. > > In each case I was heavily immersed, eating sleeping and breathing > that market. > > I found it interesting that somebody ridiculed the C64 because > properly > cabled to the 1702 monitor it actually BEAT early IBM CGA (RGB) video. > > I also found it interesting that somebody taunted about Beta video > tape. > But the Beta story is really about how lower technology (VHS) > triumphed > over technically superior (digital!) Beta technology because of COST > and marketing strategy. > > Beta is STILL not dead in TV studios. > > I have seen heavily hyped products that were garbage. > I have seen "sleeper" products, hardly mentioned that ROCKED! > I have seen really good stuff that got overlooked completely. > I have seen what looks like the myth about lemmings going over a > cliff. > > I got to perform an ""autopsy"" on a 3 year old early Plasma TV. > (3 year life expectancy on a $5000 TV? No thanks! ) > (They're supposed to have a better life expectancy now.) > > A huge part of computer purchasing is about EGO even today. > With my background I am amused that people see their > computer as an extension of their male private parts, > similar to the bragging people do on fancy cars. > > If you surveyed the public about Vista I would bet that > most people mistakenly think that Vista is already a 64 bit OS. > > shadows comments might be because of this misperception. > People want instant gratification and at the same time don't > want something that will be out of date tomorrow. > > As the PC platform has somewhat stabilized, > I personally think that people are less satisfied > with planned obsolescence on the old timetable. > As the technology gets more powerful there is > still a market force trying to grab onto something > that will last LONGER than the old standard > 3 years old and throw it away mentality. > > The Green stuff is not ONLY about eco kooks. > > Making stuff that goes in the landfill when it's > only 3 years old is getting old. > > Economics is an issue. > > I am posting this from a 2001 era PC that was literally > pulled out of a dumpster three years ago. > > I am studying XP x64 and Vista but VERY CAREFULLY. >
Guest Greegor Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows Shadow: Don't buy "cutting edge" technology unless you have money to burn. On the "bang for buck" rating scale, how would you honestly score the "cutting edge" 64 bit hardware? You complained yourself about the level of support for x64 technology. Have you noticed that a lot of people who do own 64 bit technology are not running a 64 bit OS? When you buy a car, is it all about ego and bragging rights? You can expect that a goodly percentage of people who talk up the very latest technology have almost turned their investment into a cult like religion. If your ego ever tugs at you when you see the pretty cars go by somewhere, just remember that most cars are actually owned BY THE BANK. Instead of the toys being a projection of your male ego, turn it around and realize that more often than not the fancy car means that the bank has somebody's nuts in a vice. Why should that boost somebody's ego? What kind of car do you drive? Does the BANK own it? How much of what you pay is INTEREST? As you've noticed (system 7) there is always a new "King of the hill" but sometimes it's more like the Emporer is wearing no clothes. In the case of computers, software would be the ""clothes"". What kind of investment have you made in software? What kind of dollar amount and how long do you think it will be current enough to actually use? I think Gates and company have become WAY too smug. If Linux transitions WELL to 64 bit technology and kicks MS around it would be hilarious! On Dec 20, 1:48 pm, shadow <sha...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Your right I just don't want to be out of date on newer technology and I see > 64-bit looks Promising for a new OS with backware 32-bit computing, I... just > want to be in the loop > > > > "Greegor" wrote: > > On Dec 19, 10:01 pm, "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well, as the other guys reminisce about their mis-spent youth with Vic-20s, > > > Commodore 64s, Sinclairs and the like (Altair, anyone?) > > > I built an Altair 8800B in 1978. It was not like a Heathkit. > > > I USED and supported a VERY large number of early "Microcomputers". > > > I was heavily involved in the C64 (1983) and XT clone (1985) > > explosions. > > > In each case I was heavily immersed, eating sleeping and breathing > > that market. > > > I found it interesting that somebody ridiculed the C64 because > > properly > > cabled to the 1702 monitor it actually BEAT early IBM CGA (RGB) video. > > > I also found it interesting that somebody taunted about Beta video > > tape. > > But the Beta story is really about how lower technology (VHS) > > triumphed > > over technically superior (digital!) Beta technology because of COST > > and marketing strategy. > > > Beta is STILL not dead in TV studios. > > > I have seen heavily hyped products that were garbage. > > I have seen "sleeper" products, hardly mentioned that ROCKED! > > I have seen really good stuff that got overlooked completely. > > I have seen what looks like the myth about lemmings going over a > > cliff. > > > I got to perform an ""autopsy"" on a 3 year old early Plasma TV. > > (3 year life expectancy on a $5000 TV? No thanks! ) > > (They're supposed to have a better life expectancy now.) > > > A huge part of computer purchasing is about EGO even today. > > With my background I am amused that people see their > > computer as an extension of their male private parts, > > similar to the bragging people do on fancy cars. > > > If you surveyed the public about Vista I would bet that > > most people mistakenly think that Vista is already a 64 bit OS. > > > shadows comments might be because of this misperception. > > People want instant gratification and at the same time don't > > want something that will be out of date tomorrow. > > > As the PC platform has somewhat stabilized, > > I personally think that people are less satisfied > > with planned obsolescence on the old timetable. > > As the technology gets more powerful there is > > still a market force trying to grab onto something > > that will last LONGER than the old standard > > 3 years old and throw it away mentality. > > > The Green stuff is not ONLY about eco kooks. > > > Making stuff that goes in the landfill when it's > > only 3 years old is getting old. > > > Economics is an issue. > > > I am posting this from a 2001 era PC that was literally > > pulled out of a dumpster three years ago. > > > I am studying XP x64 and Vista but VERY CAREFULLY.
Guest John Barnes Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows Sorry, but Colin is already immensely respected around here, but it is palpable that his literate style and subtle humour are miles above the heads of many of the late comers to this group. Truly sad that this group has degenerated to the level of a kindergarten food squabble. "Greg Lamonte" <lagre345@aul.com> wrote in message news:47698395$0$8853$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message > >>I can see you with a Commodore 64. I used to sell them. > > ...And now you are peddling Windows. What an upgrade, keep this up and > you'll become real respected one day :( >
Guest Charlie Russel - MVP Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows There will always be a few. But _we_ know the good ones, and can ignore the others. ;) -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64 http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message news:%23kIeJO3QIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Sorry, but Colin is already immensely respected around here, but it is > palpable that his literate style and subtle humour are miles above the > heads of many of the late comers to this group. Truly sad that this group > has degenerated to the level of a kindergarten food squabble. > > > > "Greg Lamonte" <lagre345@aul.com> wrote in message > news:47698395$0$8853$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> >> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message >> >>>I can see you with a Commodore 64. I used to sell them. >> >> ...And now you are peddling Windows. What an upgrade, keep this up and >> you'll become real respected one day :( >> >
Guest Tony Harding Posted December 23, 2007 Posted December 23, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows Greg Lamonte wrote: > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message > >> I can see you with a Commodore 64. I used to sell them. > > ...And now you are peddling Windows. What an upgrade, keep this up and > you'll become real respected one day :( Unlike you, I'm afraid. Geez, what did Colin ever do?
Guest Tony Harding Posted December 23, 2007 Posted December 23, 2007 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows shadow wrote: > so MVP is there news about developer making windows 64-bit backwared with > 32-bit windows on windows 7 or is it is it going to be like windows vista we > have to wait for a service pack to see Is English your 2nd language? <serious question, BTW> > > "Tom Ferguson" wrote: > >> Ditto. And possibly something different still was being asked. We await >> developments. <g> >> >> Tom Ferguson >> >> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:0AE18641-D361-4DBD-9A71-D59248E42987@microsoft.com... >>> No surprise to me. I found the post hard to read. >>> >>> "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgroups@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:OlcKHXoQIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> Interesting. We both read the same words and, it seems, saw different >>>> questions. >>>> >>>> Tom Ferguson >>>> >>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message >>>> news:8FB600FA-5A76-4F00-9AE8-82B636601B0F@microsoft.com... >>>>> No. The OS source code has to be compiled with the 64-bit target flag >>>>> set in order to create a 64-bit system. >>>>> >>>>> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:51B8E078-49EE-40B0-92E2-8F0AEEDB9298@microsoft.com... >>>>>> Is there away MS can find to change the code because windows can Enable >>>>>> 64-bit to got a performance boost on a 32-bit OS if people have a >>>>>> 64-bit >>>>>> Processor is it possible >>>>>> >>>>>> "Tom Ferguson" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's great that you are so passionate about computing and its future. >>>>>>> You >>>>>>> might want to have a look at the difference between the same >>>>>>> generation of >>>>>>> Intel and Motorola processors. It is interesting how their respective >>>>>>> choice >>>>>>> of memory architecture has influenced the design of the CPU and the >>>>>>> influence that has had on OS design. (early MS and Apple/Mac OSs) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also of interest is a comparison of the assembly language code needed >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> multiply floating point numerals on each processor. It is also >>>>>>> interesting >>>>>>> to compare the amount of code with the same processor using 8,16,32 >>>>>>> bits >>>>>>> respectively. It is also interesting to note the difference in code >>>>>>> complexity when a seemingly simple question must be answered: is x=y? >>>>>>> (That >>>>>>> translates, in machine terms, to: is the content of one given stack, >>>>>>> register, or memory location the same as the content in another given >>>>>>> stack, >>>>>>> register, or memory location?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How I ramble on. Dude, I hope your interest continues! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom Ferguson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "shadow" <shadow@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:EF2ED649-7B29-43CC-9A00-FFAA71F1843E@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>> When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not >>>>>>>> 32-bit i >>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>> waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>> on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new >>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>> to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going >>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>> this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit >>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> can not wait >>>>>>> >>
Guest Tony Harding Posted February 12, 2008 Posted February 12, 2008 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows Zootal wrote: > Stop, stop, I'm beginning to really feel my age. My first computer actually > was a TS-1000....but IIRC, it had 4KB of ram, not 2 that wikipedia says it > had. I could be wrong, that was a long time ago, after all....Hmm, my main > workstation today has 4GB of ram, my first computer had .000004GB of ram... > > Does anyone here want to hear about how when I got my FCC General class > license, how most of the test was on tube circuitry? We didn't do much with > those new-fangled transistor thingys back then. Tubes just worked so much > better <ggggg> Speaking of tubes <g>, I encountered my first computer at the tender age of 16. It was an IBM 650 with drum memory. Memory access was slow enough that the instruction format included the address of the next instruction (no NSI here).
Guest Puteh Posted August 21, 2008 Posted August 21, 2008 Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows Just to add salt here..remember.. 1. Sinclair ZX Spectrum 2. Amstrad 3. Commodore PET I used to have a C64 before but all eaten up by termites....... To conclude Windows XP Pro x64 user here and still proud using it.....
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