Dell Precision Windows xp64 SCSI 2nd hard drive problems.

December 25, 2007

I have a Precision 670 Dell computer that is running Windows XP 64. The Dell

has a Seagate ST3146854LW 136GB SCSI drive in it. The system has been running

fine although I am running out of disk space and will also be moving over to

Windows Vista x64 Ultimate shortly.

I purchased a new (From Seagate) ST3300655LW 300GB SCSI hard drive and added

it to my system. The 136GB original drive is SCSI ID 0 and the new 300GB

drive is SCSI ID 1. The new drive is the exact same line of drive as my

original one, it's just a larger version.

My system boots up fine and Disk Management sees the new drive. I created a

single partition the same size as the original drive that came with my

computer (136GB).

The partition formats fine from within Disk Management. Formated NTFS,

Default Allocation Unit size. Not using quick format and not using

compression.

Once the drive is formatted I am able to copy files to it but only a few

ones. Any attempt to copy lots of files (20+) results in the drive hanging

and locking up the computer.

No problems seem to be occuring with the old drive.

Suggestions?

December 25, 2007

Re: Dell Precision Windows xp64 SCSI 2nd hard drive problems.

If they're both off the same controller, I'd figure you need a new drive.

Certainly verify the SCSI cabling and the termination. (If you were to plug

a drive in AFTER the termination, you could have this behaviour. So make

sure that the termination is only turned on at the last drive, or via and

external terminator at the end of the cable.

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:2051E38D-8D03-459C-A845-F51C1FE54F93@microsoft.com...

>I have a Precision 670 Dell computer that is running Windows XP 64. The

>Dell

> has a Seagate ST3146854LW 136GB SCSI drive in it. The system has been

> running

> fine although I am running out of disk space and will also be moving over

> to

> Windows Vista x64 Ultimate shortly.

>

> I purchased a new (From Seagate) ST3300655LW 300GB SCSI hard drive and

> added

> it to my system. The 136GB original drive is SCSI ID 0 and the new 300GB

> drive is SCSI ID 1. The new drive is the exact same line of drive as my

> original one, it's just a larger version.

>

> My system boots up fine and Disk Management sees the new drive. I created

> a

> single partition the same size as the original drive that came with my

> computer (136GB).

>

> The partition formats fine from within Disk Management. Formated NTFS,

> Default Allocation Unit size. Not using quick format and not using

> compression.

>

> Once the drive is formatted I am able to copy files to it but only a few

> ones. Any attempt to copy lots of files (20+) results in the drive hanging

> and locking up the computer.

>

> No problems seem to be occuring with the old drive.

>

> Suggestions?

>

December 25, 2007

Re: Dell Precision Windows xp64 SCSI 2nd hard drive problems.

Yes same controller. An Adaptec Embedded SCSI HostRAID Controller. Not set up

as a raid.

David Manvell

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> If they're both off the same controller, I'd figure you need a new drive.

> Certainly verify the SCSI cabling and the termination. (If you were to plug

> a drive in AFTER the termination, you could have this behaviour. So make

> sure that the termination is only turned on at the last drive, or via and

> external terminator at the end of the cable.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:2051E38D-8D03-459C-A845-F51C1FE54F93@microsoft.com...

> >I have a Precision 670 Dell computer that is running Windows XP 64. The

> >Dell

> > has a Seagate ST3146854LW 136GB SCSI drive in it. The system has been

> > running

> > fine although I am running out of disk space and will also be moving over

> > to

> > Windows Vista x64 Ultimate shortly.

> >

> > I purchased a new (From Seagate) ST3300655LW 300GB SCSI hard drive and

> > added

> > it to my system. The 136GB original drive is SCSI ID 0 and the new 300GB

> > drive is SCSI ID 1. The new drive is the exact same line of drive as my

> > original one, it's just a larger version.

> >

> > My system boots up fine and Disk Management sees the new drive. I created

> > a

> > single partition the same size as the original drive that came with my

> > computer (136GB).

> >

> > The partition formats fine from within Disk Management. Formated NTFS,

> > Default Allocation Unit size. Not using quick format and not using

> > compression.

> >

> > Once the drive is formatted I am able to copy files to it but only a few

> > ones. Any attempt to copy lots of files (20+) results in the drive hanging

> > and locking up the computer.

> >

> > No problems seem to be occuring with the old drive.

> >

> > Suggestions?

> >

>

December 25, 2007

Re: Dell Precision Windows xp64 SCSI 2nd hard drive problems.

definitely verify the termination. I'd wager that the cable, if it came from

Dell, has a termination on it. But if that first SCSI drive could also have

termination enabled. And the new Seagate will come with it enabled by

default. You can only have ONE termination on each end of the chain. That

can be the last drive in the chain, or a termination built into the cable,

on one end. The other end will be terminated by the controller.

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:2E236B86-51E7-41B0-9BA7-A30DF841F7A5@microsoft.com...

> Yes same controller. An Adaptec Embedded SCSI HostRAID Controller. Not set

> up

> as a raid.

>

> David Manvell

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>

>> If they're both off the same controller, I'd figure you need a new drive.

>> Certainly verify the SCSI cabling and the termination. (If you were to

>> plug

>> a drive in AFTER the termination, you could have this behaviour. So make

>> sure that the termination is only turned on at the last drive, or via and

>> external terminator at the end of the cable.

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:2051E38D-8D03-459C-A845-F51C1FE54F93@microsoft.com...

>> >I have a Precision 670 Dell computer that is running Windows XP 64. The

>> >Dell

>> > has a Seagate ST3146854LW 136GB SCSI drive in it. The system has been

>> > running

>> > fine although I am running out of disk space and will also be moving

>> > over

>> > to

>> > Windows Vista x64 Ultimate shortly.

>> >

>> > I purchased a new (From Seagate) ST3300655LW 300GB SCSI hard drive and

>> > added

>> > it to my system. The 136GB original drive is SCSI ID 0 and the new

>> > 300GB

>> > drive is SCSI ID 1. The new drive is the exact same line of drive as my

>> > original one, it's just a larger version.

>> >

>> > My system boots up fine and Disk Management sees the new drive. I

>> > created

>> > a

>> > single partition the same size as the original drive that came with my

>> > computer (136GB).

>> >

>> > The partition formats fine from within Disk Management. Formated NTFS,

>> > Default Allocation Unit size. Not using quick format and not using

>> > compression.

>> >

>> > Once the drive is formatted I am able to copy files to it but only a

>> > few

>> > ones. Any attempt to copy lots of files (20+) results in the drive

>> > hanging

>> > and locking up the computer.

>> >

>> > No problems seem to be occuring with the old drive.

>> >

>> > Suggestions?

>> >

>>

December 25, 2007

Re: Dell Precision Windows xp64 SCSI 2nd hard drive problems.

Yes the scsi controller is set to terminate it on it's side according to the

scsi utilities. The ribbon cable has a termination on the other end. I will

check and make sure the second drive does not have any termination built into

it. I don't think it does though as it came with no jumpers at all (Had to

get one off an old drive to set the new drive's ID to 1).

Can termination be enabled via software on the drive itself somehow? How do

i check that? It would be via a jumper somewhere correct?

Dave

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> definitely verify the termination. I'd wager that the cable, if it came from

> Dell, has a termination on it. But if that first SCSI drive could also have

> termination enabled. And the new Seagate will come with it enabled by

> default. You can only have ONE termination on each end of the chain. That

> can be the last drive in the chain, or a termination built into the cable,

> on one end. The other end will be terminated by the controller.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:2E236B86-51E7-41B0-9BA7-A30DF841F7A5@microsoft.com...

> > Yes same controller. An Adaptec Embedded SCSI HostRAID Controller. Not set

> > up

> > as a raid.

> >

> > David Manvell

> >

> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> >

> >> If they're both off the same controller, I'd figure you need a new drive.

> >> Certainly verify the SCSI cabling and the termination. (If you were to

> >> plug

> >> a drive in AFTER the termination, you could have this behaviour. So make

> >> sure that the termination is only turned on at the last drive, or via and

> >> external terminator at the end of the cable.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Charlie.

> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >>

> >> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:2051E38D-8D03-459C-A845-F51C1FE54F93@microsoft.com...

> >> >I have a Precision 670 Dell computer that is running Windows XP 64. The

> >> >Dell

> >> > has a Seagate ST3146854LW 136GB SCSI drive in it. The system has been

> >> > running

> >> > fine although I am running out of disk space and will also be moving

> >> > over

> >> > to

> >> > Windows Vista x64 Ultimate shortly.

> >> >

> >> > I purchased a new (From Seagate) ST3300655LW 300GB SCSI hard drive and

> >> > added

> >> > it to my system. The 136GB original drive is SCSI ID 0 and the new

> >> > 300GB

> >> > drive is SCSI ID 1. The new drive is the exact same line of drive as my

> >> > original one, it's just a larger version.

> >> >

> >> > My system boots up fine and Disk Management sees the new drive. I

> >> > created

> >> > a

> >> > single partition the same size as the original drive that came with my

> >> > computer (136GB).

> >> >

> >> > The partition formats fine from within Disk Management. Formated NTFS,

> >> > Default Allocation Unit size. Not using quick format and not using

> >> > compression.

> >> >

> >> > Once the drive is formatted I am able to copy files to it but only a

> >> > few

> >> > ones. Any attempt to copy lots of files (20+) results in the drive

> >> > hanging

> >> > and locking up the computer.

> >> >

> >> > No problems seem to be occuring with the old drive.

> >> >

> >> > Suggestions?

> >> >

> >>

>

December 25, 2007

Re: Dell Precision Windows xp64 SCSI 2nd hard drive problems.

According to the scsi HD manual, both of those drives do not have any

internal termination at all. They require external termination. Does not look

like that is it :(

Dave

"David Manvell" wrote:

> Yes the scsi controller is set to terminate it on it's side according to the

> scsi utilities. The ribbon cable has a termination on the other end. I will

> check and make sure the second drive does not have any termination built into

> it. I don't think it does though as it came with no jumpers at all (Had to

> get one off an old drive to set the new drive's ID to 1).

>

> Can termination be enabled via software on the drive itself somehow? How do

> i check that? It would be via a jumper somewhere correct?

>

> Dave

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>

> > definitely verify the termination. I'd wager that the cable, if it came from

> > Dell, has a termination on it. But if that first SCSI drive could also have

> > termination enabled. And the new Seagate will come with it enabled by

> > default. You can only have ONE termination on each end of the chain. That

> > can be the last drive in the chain, or a termination built into the cable,

> > on one end. The other end will be terminated by the controller.

> >

> > --

> > Charlie.

> > http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >

> > "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:2E236B86-51E7-41B0-9BA7-A30DF841F7A5@microsoft.com...

> > > Yes same controller. An Adaptec Embedded SCSI HostRAID Controller. Not set

> > > up

> > > as a raid.

> > >

> > > David Manvell

> > >

> > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> > >

> > >> If they're both off the same controller, I'd figure you need a new drive.

> > >> Certainly verify the SCSI cabling and the termination. (If you were to

> > >> plug

> > >> a drive in AFTER the termination, you could have this behaviour. So make

> > >> sure that the termination is only turned on at the last drive, or via and

> > >> external terminator at the end of the cable.

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >> Charlie.

> > >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> > >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> > >>

> > >> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > >> news:2051E38D-8D03-459C-A845-F51C1FE54F93@microsoft.com...

> > >> >I have a Precision 670 Dell computer that is running Windows XP 64. The

> > >> >Dell

> > >> > has a Seagate ST3146854LW 136GB SCSI drive in it. The system has been

> > >> > running

> > >> > fine although I am running out of disk space and will also be moving

> > >> > over

> > >> > to

> > >> > Windows Vista x64 Ultimate shortly.

> > >> >

> > >> > I purchased a new (From Seagate) ST3300655LW 300GB SCSI hard drive and

> > >> > added

> > >> > it to my system. The 136GB original drive is SCSI ID 0 and the new

> > >> > 300GB

> > >> > drive is SCSI ID 1. The new drive is the exact same line of drive as my

> > >> > original one, it's just a larger version.

> > >> >

> > >> > My system boots up fine and Disk Management sees the new drive. I

> > >> > created

> > >> > a

> > >> > single partition the same size as the original drive that came with my

> > >> > computer (136GB).

> > >> >

> > >> > The partition formats fine from within Disk Management. Formated NTFS,

> > >> > Default Allocation Unit size. Not using quick format and not using

> > >> > compression.

> > >> >

> > >> > Once the drive is formatted I am able to copy files to it but only a

> > >> > few

> > >> > ones. Any attempt to copy lots of files (20+) results in the drive

> > >> > hanging

> > >> > and locking up the computer.

> > >> >

> > >> > No problems seem to be occuring with the old drive.

> > >> >

> > >> > Suggestions?

> > >> >

> > >>

> >

December 25, 2007

Re: Dell Precision Windows xp64 SCSI 2nd hard drive problems.

well, two possibilities - one is lousy termination - but honestly, I don't

expect it. The last Dell I saw had a decent active terminator on the cable.

The other possibility is a bad drive. :(

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:01B3EE81-8BD8-409F-91AD-9D6B6990AF8E@microsoft.com...

> According to the scsi HD manual, both of those drives do not have any

> internal termination at all. They require external termination. Does not

> look

> like that is it :(

>

> Dave

>

> "David Manvell" wrote:

>

>> Yes the scsi controller is set to terminate it on it's side according to

>> the

>> scsi utilities. The ribbon cable has a termination on the other end. I

>> will

>> check and make sure the second drive does not have any termination built

>> into

>> it. I don't think it does though as it came with no jumpers at all (Had

>> to

>> get one off an old drive to set the new drive's ID to 1).

>>

>> Can termination be enabled via software on the drive itself somehow? How

>> do

>> i check that? It would be via a jumper somewhere correct?

>>

>> Dave

>>

>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>>

>> > definitely verify the termination. I'd wager that the cable, if it came

>> > from

>> > Dell, has a termination on it. But if that first SCSI drive could also

>> > have

>> > termination enabled. And the new Seagate will come with it enabled by

>> > default. You can only have ONE termination on each end of the chain.

>> > That

>> > can be the last drive in the chain, or a termination built into the

>> > cable,

>> > on one end. The other end will be terminated by the controller.

>> >

>> > --

>> > Charlie.

>> > http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>> >

>> > "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> > message

>> > news:2E236B86-51E7-41B0-9BA7-A30DF841F7A5@microsoft.com...

>> > > Yes same controller. An Adaptec Embedded SCSI HostRAID Controller.

>> > > Not set

>> > > up

>> > > as a raid.

>> > >

>> > > David Manvell

>> > >

>> > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>> > >

>> > >> If they're both off the same controller, I'd figure you need a new

>> > >> drive.

>> > >> Certainly verify the SCSI cabling and the termination. (If you were

>> > >> to

>> > >> plug

>> > >> a drive in AFTER the termination, you could have this behaviour. So

>> > >> make

>> > >> sure that the termination is only turned on at the last drive, or

>> > >> via and

>> > >> external terminator at the end of the cable.

>> > >>

>> > >> --

>> > >> Charlie.

>> > >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>> > >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>> > >>

>> > >> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> > >> message

>> > >> news:2051E38D-8D03-459C-A845-F51C1FE54F93@microsoft.com...

>> > >> >I have a Precision 670 Dell computer that is running Windows XP 64.

>> > >> >The

>> > >> >Dell

>> > >> > has a Seagate ST3146854LW 136GB SCSI drive in it. The system has

>> > >> > been

>> > >> > running

>> > >> > fine although I am running out of disk space and will also be

>> > >> > moving

>> > >> > over

>> > >> > to

>> > >> > Windows Vista x64 Ultimate shortly.

>> > >> >

>> > >> > I purchased a new (From Seagate) ST3300655LW 300GB SCSI hard drive

>> > >> > and

>> > >> > added

>> > >> > it to my system. The 136GB original drive is SCSI ID 0 and the new

>> > >> > 300GB

>> > >> > drive is SCSI ID 1. The new drive is the exact same line of drive

>> > >> > as my

>> > >> > original one, it's just a larger version.

>> > >> >

>> > >> > My system boots up fine and Disk Management sees the new drive. I

>> > >> > created

>> > >> > a

>> > >> > single partition the same size as the original drive that came

>> > >> > with my

>> > >> > computer (136GB).

>> > >> >

>> > >> > The partition formats fine from within Disk Management. Formated

>> > >> > NTFS,

>> > >> > Default Allocation Unit size. Not using quick format and not using

>> > >> > compression.

>> > >> >

>> > >> > Once the drive is formatted I am able to copy files to it but only

>> > >> > a

>> > >> > few

>> > >> > ones. Any attempt to copy lots of files (20+) results in the drive

>> > >> > hanging

>> > >> > and locking up the computer.

>> > >> >

>> > >> > No problems seem to be occuring with the old drive.

>> > >> >

>> > >> > Suggestions?

>> > >> >

>> > >>

>> >

December 25, 2007

Re: Dell Precision Windows xp64 SCSI 2nd hard drive problems.

Can your system controller handle two?

Have you looked to see whether they both have the same firmware?

Even though they are same family and revision.

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/servers/cheetah/cheetah_15k.5/

> > >

StorageReview uncovered significant performance differences when these

drives were set to different predefined cache segmentation strategies

through Seagate's Seatools Enterprise utility. The Cheetah 15K.5, however,

returns the same scores regardless of whether the utility's "Performance

Mode" setting is toggled on or off.

http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=23436

"the Cheetah 15K.5's multi-user orientation. While Maxtor and Fujitsu

monitor and tune for non-server performance, it remains clear that Seagate

does not... the modest increases experienced by the 15K.5 over the 15K.4

above likely arises from low-level improvements and/or by ancillary

coincidence through other firmware changes."

Did you try running SeaTools?

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/troubleshooting_assistance/internal_drive_interfaces/scsi/

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:8D2311E7-5812-4C03-B0F7-B3CBDCD2CC6D@microsoft.com...

> well, two possibilities - one is lousy termination - but honestly, I don't

> expect it. The last Dell I saw had a decent active terminator on the

> cable. The other possibility is a bad drive. :(

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:01B3EE81-8BD8-409F-91AD-9D6B6990AF8E@microsoft.com...

>> According to the scsi HD manual, both of those drives do not have any

>> internal termination at all. They require external termination. Does not

>> look

>> like that is it :(

>>

>> Dave

>>

>> "David Manvell" wrote:

>>

>>> Yes the scsi controller is set to terminate it on it's side according to

>>> the

>>> scsi utilities. The ribbon cable has a termination on the other end. I

>>> will

>>> check and make sure the second drive does not have any termination built

>>> into

>>> it. I don't think it does though as it came with no jumpers at all (Had

>>> to

>>> get one off an old drive to set the new drive's ID to 1).

>>>

>>> Can termination be enabled via software on the drive itself somehow? How

>>> do

>>> i check that? It would be via a jumper somewhere correct?

>>>

>>> Dave

>>>

>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>>>

>>> > definitely verify the termination. I'd wager that the cable, if it

>>> > came from

>>> > Dell, has a termination on it. But if that first SCSI drive could also

>>> > have

>>> > termination enabled. And the new Seagate will come with it enabled by

>>> > default. You can only have ONE termination on each end of the chain.

>>> > That

>>> > can be the last drive in the chain, or a termination built into the

>>> > cable,

>>> > on one end. The other end will be terminated by the controller.

>>> >

>>> > --

>>> > Charlie.

>>> > http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>>> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>> >

>>> > "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>>> > message

>>> > news:2E236B86-51E7-41B0-9BA7-A30DF841F7A5@microsoft.com...

>>> > > Yes same controller. An Adaptec Embedded SCSI HostRAID Controller.

>>> > > Not set

>>> > > up

>>> > > as a raid.

>>> > >

>>> > > David Manvell

>>> > >

>>> > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>>> > >

>>> > >> If they're both off the same controller, I'd figure you need a new

>>> > >> drive.

>>> > >> Certainly verify the SCSI cabling and the termination. (If you were

>>> > >> to

>>> > >> plug

>>> > >> a drive in AFTER the termination, you could have this behaviour. So

>>> > >> make

>>> > >> sure that the termination is only turned on at the last drive, or

>>> > >> via and

>>> > >> external terminator at the end of the cable.

>>> > >>

>>> > >> --

>>> > >> Charlie.

>>> > >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>>> > >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>> > >>

>>> > >> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>>> > >> message

>>> > >> news:2051E38D-8D03-459C-A845-F51C1FE54F93@microsoft.com...

>>> > >> >I have a Precision 670 Dell computer that is running Windows XP

>>> > >> >64. The

>>> > >> >Dell

>>> > >> > has a Seagate ST3146854LW 136GB SCSI drive in it. The system has

>>> > >> > been

>>> > >> > running

>>> > >> > fine although I am running out of disk space and will also be

>>> > >> > moving

>>> > >> > over

>>> > >> > to

>>> > >> > Windows Vista x64 Ultimate shortly.

>>> > >> >

>>> > >> > I purchased a new (From Seagate) ST3300655LW 300GB SCSI hard

>>> > >> > drive and

>>> > >> > added

>>> > >> > it to my system. The 136GB original drive is SCSI ID 0 and the

>>> > >> > new

>>> > >> > 300GB

>>> > >> > drive is SCSI ID 1. The new drive is the exact same line of drive

>>> > >> > as my

>>> > >> > original one, it's just a larger version.

>>> > >> >

>>> > >> > My system boots up fine and Disk Management sees the new drive. I

>>> > >> > created

>>> > >> > a

>>> > >> > single partition the same size as the original drive that came

>>> > >> > with my

>>> > >> > computer (136GB).

>>> > >> >

>>> > >> > The partition formats fine from within Disk Management. Formated

>>> > >> > NTFS,

>>> > >> > Default Allocation Unit size. Not using quick format and not

>>> > >> > using

>>> > >> > compression.

>>> > >> >

>>> > >> > Once the drive is formatted I am able to copy files to it but

>>> > >> > only a

>>> > >> > few

>>> > >> > ones. Any attempt to copy lots of files (20+) results in the

>>> > >> > drive

>>> > >> > hanging

>>> > >> > and locking up the computer.

>>> > >> >

>>> > >> > No problems seem to be occuring with the old drive.

>>> > >> >

>>> > >> > Suggestions?

>>> > >> >

>>> > >>

>>> >

>

December 28, 2007

Re: Dell Precision Windows xp64 SCSI 2nd hard drive problems.

not mine - I never touch Dell machines

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"The Mad Hatter" <themadhatter@wonderland.alice.com> wrote in message

news:F29D7D6B-D395-433F-9FF8-EAE4416E1A0E@microsoft.com...

> Can your system controller handle two?

> Have you looked to see whether they both have the same firmware?

> Even though they are same family and revision.

> http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/servers/cheetah/cheetah_15k.5/

>

>> > >

> StorageReview uncovered significant performance differences when these

> drives were set to different predefined cache segmentation strategies

> through Seagate's Seatools Enterprise utility. The Cheetah 15K.5, however,

> returns the same scores regardless of whether the utility's "Performance

> Mode" setting is toggled on or off.

> http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=23436

>

> "the Cheetah 15K.5's multi-user orientation. While Maxtor and Fujitsu

> monitor and tune for non-server performance, it remains clear that Seagate

> does not... the modest increases experienced by the 15K.5 over the 15K.4

> above likely arises from low-level improvements and/or by ancillary

> coincidence through other firmware changes."

>

> Did you try running SeaTools?

> http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/troubleshooting_assistance/internal_drive_interfaces/scsi/

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> news:8D2311E7-5812-4C03-B0F7-B3CBDCD2CC6D@microsoft.com...

>> well, two possibilities - one is lousy termination - but honestly, I

>> don't expect it. The last Dell I saw had a decent active terminator on

>> the cable. The other possibility is a bad drive. :(

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:01B3EE81-8BD8-409F-91AD-9D6B6990AF8E@microsoft.com...

>>> According to the scsi HD manual, both of those drives do not have any

>>> internal termination at all. They require external termination. Does not

>>> look

>>> like that is it :(

>>>

>>> Dave

>>>

>>> "David Manvell" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Yes the scsi controller is set to terminate it on it's side according

>>>> to the

>>>> scsi utilities. The ribbon cable has a termination on the other end. I

>>>> will

>>>> check and make sure the second drive does not have any termination

>>>> built into

>>>> it. I don't think it does though as it came with no jumpers at all (Had

>>>> to

>>>> get one off an old drive to set the new drive's ID to 1).

>>>>

>>>> Can termination be enabled via software on the drive itself somehow?

>>>> How do

>>>> i check that? It would be via a jumper somewhere correct?

>>>>

>>>> Dave

>>>>

>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>>>>

>>>> > definitely verify the termination. I'd wager that the cable, if it

>>>> > came from

>>>> > Dell, has a termination on it. But if that first SCSI drive could

>>>> > also have

>>>> > termination enabled. And the new Seagate will come with it enabled by

>>>> > default. You can only have ONE termination on each end of the chain.

>>>> > That

>>>> > can be the last drive in the chain, or a termination built into the

>>>> > cable,

>>>> > on one end. The other end will be terminated by the controller.

>>>> >

>>>> > --

>>>> > Charlie.

>>>> > http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>>>> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>>> >

>>>> > "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>>>> > message

>>>> > news:2E236B86-51E7-41B0-9BA7-A30DF841F7A5@microsoft.com...

>>>> > > Yes same controller. An Adaptec Embedded SCSI HostRAID Controller.

>>>> > > Not set

>>>> > > up

>>>> > > as a raid.

>>>> > >

>>>> > > David Manvell

>>>> > >

>>>> > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>>>> > >

>>>> > >> If they're both off the same controller, I'd figure you need a new

>>>> > >> drive.

>>>> > >> Certainly verify the SCSI cabling and the termination. (If you

>>>> > >> were to

>>>> > >> plug

>>>> > >> a drive in AFTER the termination, you could have this behaviour.

>>>> > >> So make

>>>> > >> sure that the termination is only turned on at the last drive, or

>>>> > >> via and

>>>> > >> external terminator at the end of the cable.

>>>> > >>

>>>> > >> --

>>>> > >> Charlie.

>>>> > >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>>>> > >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>>> > >>

>>>> > >> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>>>> > >> message

>>>> > >> news:2051E38D-8D03-459C-A845-F51C1FE54F93@microsoft.com...

>>>> > >> >I have a Precision 670 Dell computer that is running Windows XP

>>>> > >> >64. The

>>>> > >> >Dell

>>>> > >> > has a Seagate ST3146854LW 136GB SCSI drive in it. The system has

>>>> > >> > been

>>>> > >> > running

>>>> > >> > fine although I am running out of disk space and will also be

>>>> > >> > moving

>>>> > >> > over

>>>> > >> > to

>>>> > >> > Windows Vista x64 Ultimate shortly.

>>>> > >> >

>>>> > >> > I purchased a new (From Seagate) ST3300655LW 300GB SCSI hard

>>>> > >> > drive and

>>>> > >> > added

>>>> > >> > it to my system. The 136GB original drive is SCSI ID 0 and the

>>>> > >> > new

>>>> > >> > 300GB

>>>> > >> > drive is SCSI ID 1. The new drive is the exact same line of

>>>> > >> > drive as my

>>>> > >> > original one, it's just a larger version.

>>>> > >> >

>>>> > >> > My system boots up fine and Disk Management sees the new drive.

>>>> > >> > I

>>>> > >> > created

>>>> > >> > a

>>>> > >> > single partition the same size as the original drive that came

>>>> > >> > with my

>>>> > >> > computer (136GB).

>>>> > >> >

>>>> > >> > The partition formats fine from within Disk Management. Formated

>>>> > >> > NTFS,

>>>> > >> > Default Allocation Unit size. Not using quick format and not

>>>> > >> > using

>>>> > >> > compression.

>>>> > >> >

>>>> > >> > Once the drive is formatted I am able to copy files to it but

>>>> > >> > only a

>>>> > >> > few

>>>> > >> > ones. Any attempt to copy lots of files (20+) results in the

>>>> > >> > drive

>>>> > >> > hanging

>>>> > >> > and locking up the computer.

>>>> > >> >

>>>> > >> > No problems seem to be occuring with the old drive.

>>>> > >> >

>>>> > >> > Suggestions?

>>>> > >> >

>>>> > >>

>>>> >

>>

>

December 31, 2007

Re: Dell Precision Windows xp64 SCSI 2nd hard drive problems.

> Can your system controller handle two?

Yep. Confirmed. Can handle a ton of drives. It is a raid controller although

raid is set to off.

> Have you looked to see whether they both have the same firmware?

Confirmed.

> through Seagate's Seatools Enterprise utility. The Cheetah 15K.5, however,

> Did you try running SeaTools?

None of the Seagate utilities will work with 64 bit OSs unfortunately.

Seagate tech support ran out of ideas and told me to replace the drive so i

have a new one being shipped in. We shall see if it works or not.

Dave

"The Mad Hatter" wrote:

> Can your system controller handle two?

> Have you looked to see whether they both have the same firmware?

> Even though they are same family and revision.

> http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/servers/cheetah/cheetah_15k.5/

>

> > > >

> StorageReview uncovered significant performance differences when these

> drives were set to different predefined cache segmentation strategies

> through Seagate's Seatools Enterprise utility. The Cheetah 15K.5, however,

> returns the same scores regardless of whether the utility's "Performance

> Mode" setting is toggled on or off.

> http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=23436

>

> "the Cheetah 15K.5's multi-user orientation. While Maxtor and Fujitsu

> monitor and tune for non-server performance, it remains clear that Seagate

> does not... the modest increases experienced by the 15K.5 over the 15K.4

> above likely arises from low-level improvements and/or by ancillary

> coincidence through other firmware changes."

>

> Did you try running SeaTools?

> http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/troubleshooting_assistance/internal_drive_interfaces/scsi/

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> news:8D2311E7-5812-4C03-B0F7-B3CBDCD2CC6D@microsoft.com...

> > well, two possibilities - one is lousy termination - but honestly, I don't

> > expect it. The last Dell I saw had a decent active terminator on the

> > cable. The other possibility is a bad drive. :(

> >

> > --

> > Charlie.

> > http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >

> > "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:01B3EE81-8BD8-409F-91AD-9D6B6990AF8E@microsoft.com...

> >> According to the scsi HD manual, both of those drives do not have any

> >> internal termination at all. They require external termination. Does not

> >> look

> >> like that is it :(

> >>

> >> Dave

> >>

> >> "David Manvell" wrote:

> >>

> >>> Yes the scsi controller is set to terminate it on it's side according to

> >>> the

> >>> scsi utilities. The ribbon cable has a termination on the other end. I

> >>> will

> >>> check and make sure the second drive does not have any termination built

> >>> into

> >>> it. I don't think it does though as it came with no jumpers at all (Had

> >>> to

> >>> get one off an old drive to set the new drive's ID to 1).

> >>>

> >>> Can termination be enabled via software on the drive itself somehow? How

> >>> do

> >>> i check that? It would be via a jumper somewhere correct?

> >>>

> >>> Dave

> >>>

> >>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> >>>

> >>> > definitely verify the termination. I'd wager that the cable, if it

> >>> > came from

> >>> > Dell, has a termination on it. But if that first SCSI drive could also

> >>> > have

> >>> > termination enabled. And the new Seagate will come with it enabled by

> >>> > default. You can only have ONE termination on each end of the chain.

> >>> > That

> >>> > can be the last drive in the chain, or a termination built into the

> >>> > cable,

> >>> > on one end. The other end will be terminated by the controller.

> >>> >

> >>> > --

> >>> > Charlie.

> >>> > http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >>> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >>> >

> >>> > "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> >>> > message

> >>> > news:2E236B86-51E7-41B0-9BA7-A30DF841F7A5@microsoft.com...

> >>> > > Yes same controller. An Adaptec Embedded SCSI HostRAID Controller.

> >>> > > Not set

> >>> > > up

> >>> > > as a raid.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > David Manvell

> >>> > >

> >>> > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> >>> > >

> >>> > >> If they're both off the same controller, I'd figure you need a new

> >>> > >> drive.

> >>> > >> Certainly verify the SCSI cabling and the termination. (If you were

> >>> > >> to

> >>> > >> plug

> >>> > >> a drive in AFTER the termination, you could have this behaviour. So

> >>> > >> make

> >>> > >> sure that the termination is only turned on at the last drive, or

> >>> > >> via and

> >>> > >> external terminator at the end of the cable.

> >>> > >>

> >>> > >> --

> >>> > >> Charlie.

> >>> > >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >>> > >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >>> > >>

> >>> > >> "David Manvell" <DavidManvell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

> >>> > >> message

> >>> > >> news:2051E38D-8D03-459C-A845-F51C1FE54F93@microsoft.com...

> >>> > >> >I have a Precision 670 Dell computer that is running Windows XP

> >>> > >> >64. The

> >>> > >> >Dell

> >>> > >> > has a Seagate ST3146854LW 136GB SCSI drive in it. The system has

> >>> > >> > been

> >>> > >> > running

> >>> > >> > fine although I am running out of disk space and will also be

> >>> > >> > moving

> >>> > >> > over

> >>> > >> > to

> >>> > >> > Windows Vista x64 Ultimate shortly.

> >>> > >> >

> >>> > >> > I purchased a new (From Seagate) ST3300655LW 300GB SCSI hard

> >>> > >> > drive and

> >>> > >> > added

> >>> > >> > it to my system. The 136GB original drive is SCSI ID 0 and the

> >>> > >> > new

> >>> > >> > 300GB

> >>> > >> > drive is SCSI ID 1. The new drive is the exact same line of drive

> >>> > >> > as my

> >>> > >> > original one, it's just a larger version.

> >>> > >> >

> >>> > >> > My system boots up fine and Disk Management sees the new drive. I

> >>> > >> > created

> >>> > >> > a

> >>> > >> > single partition the same size as the original drive that came

> >>> > >> > with my

> >>> > >> > computer (136GB).

> >>> > >> >

> >>> > >> > The partition formats fine from within Disk Management. Formated

> >>> > >> > NTFS,

> >>> > >> > Default Allocation Unit size. Not using quick format and not

> >>> > >> > using

> >>> > >> > compression.

> >>> > >> >

> >>> > >> > Once the drive is formatted I am able to copy files to it but

> >>> > >> > only a

> >>> > >> > few

> >>> > >> > ones. Any attempt to copy lots of files (20+) results in the

> >>> > >> > drive

> >>> > >> > hanging

> >>> > >> > and locking up the computer.

> >>> > >> >

> >>> > >> > No problems seem to be occuring with the old drive.

> >>> > >> >

> >>> > >> > Suggestions?

> >>> > >> >

> >>> > >>

> >>> >

> >

>

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