Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

[Guest Anton]

Hello!

My system (Vista 64 bit) is suffering from freezes just after I login. I've

nailed the problem down to the service "Desktop window manager session

manager" and disabling it at startup does make my system stable again.

 

As soon as I enable the service, it crashes. So what to do? I use an ATI

graphics card and I have tried reinstalling the drivers for it, but it does

not help. I even removed them totally and gave it a try, but it's still

freezing. Right now, I'm thinking about the chances of reinstalling/restoring

the exe file for the DWM. Is that possible? Will it help? I do not have any

restore point to fall back on...

 

What should I do? I'm not in the mood for formatting...

[Guest John Barnes]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

I know you are not going to like this, but here is the answer from a

topnotch Microsoft employee

 

Hello John,

There is a separate copy of the what are considered the boot critical files

that can be repaired with SFC while offline.

These are in the \windows\winsxs\backup, but the number of files there are

limited.

 

Mounting the wim file from the DVD and manually copying the files from the

mounted location to the OS location is the only way to replace a corrupted

file that cannot be repaired with SFC.

Thanks,

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

 

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights

==========================

That was a reply from Darrell. The closest I have come to trying anything

is to find this article.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/events/vista/dsk-02.mspx The

second item would seem to apply.

This will give you info as to how to do it.

 

"Anton" <Anton@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:163DE137-E650-4109-A7C8-EA62DD124EDD@microsoft.com...

> Hello!

> My system (Vista 64 bit) is suffering from freezes just after I login.

> I've

> nailed the problem down to the service "Desktop window manager session

> manager" and disabling it at startup does make my system stable again.

>

> As soon as I enable the service, it crashes. So what to do? I use an ATI

> graphics card and I have tried reinstalling the drivers for it, but it

> does

> not help. I even removed them totally and gave it a try, but it's still

> freezing. Right now, I'm thinking about the chances of

> reinstalling/restoring

> the exe file for the DWM. Is that possible? Will it help? I do not have

> any

> restore point to fall back on...

>

> What should I do? I'm not in the mood for formatting...

[Guest Anton]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

I like all replies, thank you for your help. I'll need to start digging into

this...seems like some command line hacking, good fun. ;) Seems like a one in

a million that the dwm.exe is corrupt, but hey, I'll try anything before I

reinstall. Stupid me not creating a backup ghost image...

 

Unfortunately, I'm starting to suspect a hardware failure... It seems like

my system freezes even with the DWM service turned off. Every time something

more graphic intense is to be executed (like a screen saver or even intense

scrolling, Flash graphics etc.) the system freezes.

 

Thanks anyways!

 

"John Barnes" wrote:

> I know you are not going to like this, but here is the answer from a

> topnotch Microsoft employee

>

> Hello John,

> There is a separate copy of the what are considered the boot critical files

> that can be repaired with SFC while offline.

> These are in the \windows\winsxs\backup, but the number of files there are

> limited.

>

> Mounting the wim file from the DVD and manually copying the files from the

> mounted location to the OS location is the only way to replace a corrupted

> file that cannot be repaired with SFC.

> Thanks,

> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights

> ==========================

> That was a reply from Darrell. The closest I have come to trying anything

> is to find this article.

>

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/events/vista/dsk-02.mspx The

> second item would seem to apply.

> This will give you info as to how to do it.

[Guest Carlos]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

Anton,

Did you try a system restore to a point before the freezing started?

That would determine if it is (or not) a hardware failure.

 

If it were the video driver, you might try with an older one.

One of the members in this NG is using ATI v7.6 (I think...) and cannot use

the newer ones.

 

Check also your BIOS settings and disable any overclocking that might be

present.

 

Carlos

 

"Anton" wrote:

> I like all replies, thank you for your help. I'll need to start digging into

> this...seems like some command line hacking, good fun. ;) Seems like a one in

> a million that the dwm.exe is corrupt, but hey, I'll try anything before I

> reinstall. Stupid me not creating a backup ghost image...

>

> Unfortunately, I'm starting to suspect a hardware failure... It seems like

> my system freezes even with the DWM service turned off. Every time something

> more graphic intense is to be executed (like a screen saver or even intense

> scrolling, Flash graphics etc.) the system freezes.

>

> Thanks anyways!

>

> "John Barnes" wrote:

>

> > I know you are not going to like this, but here is the answer from a

> > topnotch Microsoft employee

> >

> > Hello John,

> > There is a separate copy of the what are considered the boot critical files

> > that can be repaired with SFC while offline.

> > These are in the \windows\winsxs\backup, but the number of files there are

> > limited.

> >

> > Mounting the wim file from the DVD and manually copying the files from the

> > mounted location to the OS location is the only way to replace a corrupted

> > file that cannot be repaired with SFC.

> > Thanks,

> > Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

> >

> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights

> > ==========================

> > That was a reply from Darrell. The closest I have come to trying anything

> > is to find this article.

> >

> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/events/vista/dsk-02.mspx The

> > second item would seem to apply.

> > This will give you info as to how to do it.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

And take its temperature. Overheating?

 

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:77340118-FE9C-423D-B772-58B9F1DDE70D@microsoft.com...

> Anton,

> Did you try a system restore to a point before the freezing started?

> That would determine if it is (or not) a hardware failure.

>

> If it were the video driver, you might try with an older one.

> One of the members in this NG is using ATI v7.6 (I think...) and cannot

> use

> the newer ones.

>

> Check also your BIOS settings and disable any overclocking that might be

> present.

>

> Carlos

>

> "Anton" wrote:

>

>> I like all replies, thank you for your help. I'll need to start digging

>> into

>> this...seems like some command line hacking, good fun. ;) Seems like a

>> one in

>> a million that the dwm.exe is corrupt, but hey, I'll try anything before

>> I

>> reinstall. Stupid me not creating a backup ghost image...

>>

>> Unfortunately, I'm starting to suspect a hardware failure... It seems

>> like

>> my system freezes even with the DWM service turned off. Every time

>> something

>> more graphic intense is to be executed (like a screen saver or even

>> intense

>> scrolling, Flash graphics etc.) the system freezes.

>>

>> Thanks anyways!

>>

>> "John Barnes" wrote:

>>

>> > I know you are not going to like this, but here is the answer from a

>> > topnotch Microsoft employee

>> >

>> > Hello John,

>> > There is a separate copy of the what are considered the boot critical

>> > files

>> > that can be repaired with SFC while offline.

>> > These are in the \windows\winsxs\backup, but the number of files there

>> > are

>> > limited.

>> >

>> > Mounting the wim file from the DVD and manually copying the files from

>> > the

>> > mounted location to the OS location is the only way to replace a

>> > corrupted

>> > file that cannot be repaired with SFC.

>> > Thanks,

>> > Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

>> >

>> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

>> > rights

>> > ==========================

>> > That was a reply from Darrell. The closest I have come to trying

>> > anything

>> > is to find this article.

>> >

>> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/events/vista/dsk-02.mspx

>> > The

>> > second item would seem to apply.

>> > This will give you info as to how to do it.

[Guest Anton]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

Hi!

Unfortunately, I have no restore points to fall back on. Why, I honestly do

not know. I have always kept System Restore turned on and it should create a

restore point at major software installations, but it does not list any...

 

I've thought about trying an older video driver, but since the problem

occurs even without the video drivers running (installed), they are not the

cause. (Also it ran fine on the same drivers before..)

 

I will head into BIOS and poke around a bit... It is not overheating either,

that was the first thing I checked beacuse it is somewhat of a classical

overheating symptom.

 

Thanks for your help!

 

"Carlos" wrote:

> Anton,

> Did you try a system restore to a point before the freezing started?

> That would determine if it is (or not) a hardware failure.

>

> If it were the video driver, you might try with an older one.

> One of the members in this NG is using ATI v7.6 (I think...) and cannot use

> the newer ones.

>

> Check also your BIOS settings and disable any overclocking that might be

> present.

>

> Carlos

>

> "Anton" wrote:

>

> > I like all replies, thank you for your help. I'll need to start digging into

> > this...seems like some command line hacking, good fun. ;) Seems like a one in

> > a million that the dwm.exe is corrupt, but hey, I'll try anything before I

> > reinstall. Stupid me not creating a backup ghost image...

> >

> > Unfortunately, I'm starting to suspect a hardware failure... It seems like

> > my system freezes even with the DWM service turned off. Every time something

> > more graphic intense is to be executed (like a screen saver or even intense

> > scrolling, Flash graphics etc.) the system freezes.

> >

> > Thanks anyways!

> >

> > "John Barnes" wrote:

> >

> > > I know you are not going to like this, but here is the answer from a

> > > topnotch Microsoft employee

> > >

> > > Hello John,

> > > There is a separate copy of the what are considered the boot critical files

> > > that can be repaired with SFC while offline.

> > > These are in the \windows\winsxs\backup, but the number of files there are

> > > limited.

> > >

> > > Mounting the wim file from the DVD and manually copying the files from the

> > > mounted location to the OS location is the only way to replace a corrupted

> > > file that cannot be repaired with SFC.

> > > Thanks,

> > > Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

> > >

> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights

> > > ==========================

> > > That was a reply from Darrell. The closest I have come to trying anything

> > > is to find this article.

> > >

> > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/events/vista/dsk-02.mspx The

> > > second item would seem to apply.

> > > This will give you info as to how to do it.

[Guest Carlos]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

And his wife's vacuum cleaner to remove dust from fans and heatsinks.

Heat and dust are lurking like gremlins inside our PC's.

:)

Carlos

 

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> And take its temperature. Overheating?

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:77340118-FE9C-423D-B772-58B9F1DDE70D@microsoft.com...

> > Anton,

> > Did you try a system restore to a point before the freezing started?

> > That would determine if it is (or not) a hardware failure.

> >

> > If it were the video driver, you might try with an older one.

> > One of the members in this NG is using ATI v7.6 (I think...) and cannot

> > use

> > the newer ones.

> >

> > Check also your BIOS settings and disable any overclocking that might be

> > present.

> >

> > Carlos

> >

> > "Anton" wrote:

> >

> >> I like all replies, thank you for your help. I'll need to start digging

> >> into

> >> this...seems like some command line hacking, good fun. ;) Seems like a

> >> one in

> >> a million that the dwm.exe is corrupt, but hey, I'll try anything before

> >> I

> >> reinstall. Stupid me not creating a backup ghost image...

> >>

> >> Unfortunately, I'm starting to suspect a hardware failure... It seems

> >> like

> >> my system freezes even with the DWM service turned off. Every time

> >> something

> >> more graphic intense is to be executed (like a screen saver or even

> >> intense

> >> scrolling, Flash graphics etc.) the system freezes.

> >>

> >> Thanks anyways!

> >>

> >> "John Barnes" wrote:

> >>

> >> > I know you are not going to like this, but here is the answer from a

> >> > topnotch Microsoft employee

> >> >

> >> > Hello John,

> >> > There is a separate copy of the what are considered the boot critical

> >> > files

> >> > that can be repaired with SFC while offline.

> >> > These are in the \windows\winsxs\backup, but the number of files there

> >> > are

> >> > limited.

> >> >

> >> > Mounting the wim file from the DVD and manually copying the files from

> >> > the

> >> > mounted location to the OS location is the only way to replace a

> >> > corrupted

> >> > file that cannot be repaired with SFC.

> >> > Thanks,

> >> > Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

> >> >

> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

> >> > rights

> >> > ==========================

> >> > That was a reply from Darrell. The closest I have come to trying

> >> > anything

> >> > is to find this article.

> >> >

> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/events/vista/dsk-02.mspx

> >> > The

> >> > second item would seem to apply.

> >> > This will give you info as to how to do it.

>

[Guest Anton]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

I went through every BIOS setting, a few of them were not what they were

before. With all settings restored, my computer is stable again! I've been

away for a while, maybe there was some kind of voltage drop that affected my

system, even though it was turned off.

 

Thank you all for your help!

> Check also your BIOS settings [...]

>

> Carlos

[Guest John Barnes]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

If you are dual booting with XP you will destroy any Vista Restore Points on

each reboot to XP

 

"Anton" <Anton@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:E53AAD43-1B8E-4B92-A5C6-942585C221E9@microsoft.com...

> Hi!

> Unfortunately, I have no restore points to fall back on. Why, I honestly

> do

> not know. I have always kept System Restore turned on and it should create

> a

> restore point at major software installations, but it does not list any...

>

> I've thought about trying an older video driver, but since the problem

> occurs even without the video drivers running (installed), they are not

> the

> cause. (Also it ran fine on the same drivers before..)

>

> I will head into BIOS and poke around a bit... It is not overheating

> either,

> that was the first thing I checked beacuse it is somewhat of a classical

> overheating symptom.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> "Carlos" wrote:

>

>> Anton,

>> Did you try a system restore to a point before the freezing started?

>> That would determine if it is (or not) a hardware failure.

>>

>> If it were the video driver, you might try with an older one.

>> One of the members in this NG is using ATI v7.6 (I think...) and cannot

>> use

>> the newer ones.

>>

>> Check also your BIOS settings and disable any overclocking that might be

>> present.

>>

>> Carlos

>>

>> "Anton" wrote:

>>

>> > I like all replies, thank you for your help. I'll need to start digging

>> > into

>> > this...seems like some command line hacking, good fun. ;) Seems like a

>> > one in

>> > a million that the dwm.exe is corrupt, but hey, I'll try anything

>> > before I

>> > reinstall. Stupid me not creating a backup ghost image...

>> >

>> > Unfortunately, I'm starting to suspect a hardware failure... It seems

>> > like

>> > my system freezes even with the DWM service turned off. Every time

>> > something

>> > more graphic intense is to be executed (like a screen saver or even

>> > intense

>> > scrolling, Flash graphics etc.) the system freezes.

>> >

>> > Thanks anyways!

>> >

>> > "John Barnes" wrote:

>> >

>> > > I know you are not going to like this, but here is the answer from a

>> > > topnotch Microsoft employee

>> > >

>> > > Hello John,

>> > > There is a separate copy of the what are considered the boot critical

>> > > files

>> > > that can be repaired with SFC while offline.

>> > > These are in the \windows\winsxs\backup, but the number of files

>> > > there are

>> > > limited.

>> > >

>> > > Mounting the wim file from the DVD and manually copying the files

>> > > from the

>> > > mounted location to the OS location is the only way to replace a

>> > > corrupted

>> > > file that cannot be repaired with SFC.

>> > > Thanks,

>> > > Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

>> > >

>> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

>> > > rights

>> > > ==========================

>> > > That was a reply from Darrell. The closest I have come to trying

>> > > anything

>> > > is to find this article.

>> > >

>> > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/events/vista/dsk-02.mspx

>> > > The

>> > > second item would seem to apply.

>> > > This will give you info as to how to do it.

[Guest Colin Barnhorst]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

I call them "data bunnies".

 

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:B41583AF-9355-4B50-A672-D1D197AD12B5@microsoft.com...

> And his wife's vacuum cleaner to remove dust from fans and heatsinks.

> Heat and dust are lurking like gremlins inside our PC's.

> :)

> Carlos

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>

>> And take its temperature. Overheating?

>>

>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:77340118-FE9C-423D-B772-58B9F1DDE70D@microsoft.com...

>> > Anton,

>> > Did you try a system restore to a point before the freezing started?

>> > That would determine if it is (or not) a hardware failure.

>> >

>> > If it were the video driver, you might try with an older one.

>> > One of the members in this NG is using ATI v7.6 (I think...) and cannot

>> > use

>> > the newer ones.

>> >

>> > Check also your BIOS settings and disable any overclocking that might

>> > be

>> > present.

>> >

>> > Carlos

>> >

>> > "Anton" wrote:

>> >

>> >> I like all replies, thank you for your help. I'll need to start

>> >> digging

>> >> into

>> >> this...seems like some command line hacking, good fun. ;) Seems like a

>> >> one in

>> >> a million that the dwm.exe is corrupt, but hey, I'll try anything

>> >> before

>> >> I

>> >> reinstall. Stupid me not creating a backup ghost image...

>> >>

>> >> Unfortunately, I'm starting to suspect a hardware failure... It seems

>> >> like

>> >> my system freezes even with the DWM service turned off. Every time

>> >> something

>> >> more graphic intense is to be executed (like a screen saver or even

>> >> intense

>> >> scrolling, Flash graphics etc.) the system freezes.

>> >>

>> >> Thanks anyways!

>> >>

>> >> "John Barnes" wrote:

>> >>

>> >> > I know you are not going to like this, but here is the answer from a

>> >> > topnotch Microsoft employee

>> >> >

>> >> > Hello John,

>> >> > There is a separate copy of the what are considered the boot

>> >> > critical

>> >> > files

>> >> > that can be repaired with SFC while offline.

>> >> > These are in the \windows\winsxs\backup, but the number of files

>> >> > there

>> >> > are

>> >> > limited.

>> >> >

>> >> > Mounting the wim file from the DVD and manually copying the files

>> >> > from

>> >> > the

>> >> > mounted location to the OS location is the only way to replace a

>> >> > corrupted

>> >> > file that cannot be repaired with SFC.

>> >> > Thanks,

>> >> > Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

>> >> >

>> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

>> >> > rights

>> >> > ==========================

>> >> > That was a reply from Darrell. The closest I have come to trying

>> >> > anything

>> >> > is to find this article.

>> >> >

>> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/events/vista/dsk-02.mspx

>> >> > The

>> >> > second item would seem to apply.

>> >> > This will give you info as to how to do it.

>>

[Guest Carlos]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

Anton,

Thanks for the feedback.

It is good to know what was the root cause and that we were useful too.

Carlos

 

"Anton" wrote:

> I went through every BIOS setting, a few of them were not what they were

> before. With all settings restored, my computer is stable again! I've been

> away for a while, maybe there was some kind of voltage drop that affected my

> system, even though it was turned off.

>

> Thank you all for your help!

>

> > Check also your BIOS settings [...]

> >

> > Carlos

>

>

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: Desktop Window Manager session manager freezes system

 

A system crash may reset the BIOS on some boards. Otherwise, flashing may be

responsible too - just leaving it alone should not do it, though, unless the

battery is going flat!

 

Tony. . .

 

 

"Anton" <Anton@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:6559AC19-E0A9-4453-8B12-BFA760A480B6@microsoft.com...

>I went through every BIOS setting, a few of them were not what they were

> before. With all settings restored, my computer is stable again! I've been

> away for a while, maybe there was some kind of voltage drop that affected

> my

> system, even though it was turned off.

>

> Thank you all for your help!

>

>> Check also your BIOS settings [...]

>>

>> Carlos

>

>