XP pro x64 crashing constantly

January 14, 2008

I'm hoping that someone out there will be able to help with this issue:

About a year and a half ago, I decided to build a PC. I thought I would go

with the newest and best hardware I could find (in my mind). Long story

short about hardware is that I got an A-bit AW8D motherboard, 64 bit Intel

LGA 775 Processor 3.73Ghz, and 2Gb Corsair memory. I have an older Cd-rom

drive that came off of my old system - a samsung combo drive, the traditional

floppy drive. I have 2 HDD's - one is 250GB, which I use for storage of the

things I can't live without (kids' pictures, videos, music collection), you

get the point -- This HDD is just storage. My OS resides on a 500Gb HDD, and

it started crashing constantly after several months with no problems. I

reloaded XP pro x64 build 3190 and my problems went away for another several

months (after losing a few pictures and about 100Gb of music and movies). I

learned my lesson, so I read up on restore points and creating backups of my

system. I have performed countless restores now, but my restart, and errors

(BSOD) issues keep getting worse each time. I'm not sure what other

information I need to post, excetpt that I am getting stop errors for

anything IRQ -- I thought this was no longer an issue? Also for CD-rom --

Bad block, but I have no disk in drive. Kernel mode exceptions, Page faults,

and Device driver errors to name a few. I have looked up all info for

drivers, and I am up to date with all of them, as well as BIOS. Please, any

suggestions would help. I'm about to take this thing outside and start a

bonfire. Thank you.

January 14, 2008

RE: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

A problem has been detected and W\windows has been shut down to prevent damage

to your computer.

SYSTEM SERVICE EXCEPTION

If this is the first time you've seen this Stop error screen,

restart your computer. If this screen appears again, follow

these steps:

Check to make sure any new hardware or software is properly installed.

If this is a new installation, ask your hardware or software manufacturer

for any windows updates you might need.

If problems continue, disable or remove any newly installed hardware

or software. Disable BIOS memory options such as caching or shadowing.

If you needto use safe mode to remove or disable components, restart

your computer, press F8 to select Advanced Startup Options, and then

select safe mode.

Technical information:

*** STOP: 0x0000003B (0x00000000C0000005, 0xFFFFF97FFF0D809F,

0xFFFFFADFC4D29BB0, 0

x0000000000000000)

*** win32k.sys - Address FFFFF97FFF0DB809F base at FFFFF97FFF000000,

DateStamp

45e6f310

Beginning dump of physical memory

Physical memory dump complete.

Contact you system administrator or technical support group for further

assistance.

#############This happened @5:30 pm after powering up my

computer.############################

January 14, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

You have a pretty good overclock going on there if your CPU is at 3.73Ghz.

What Intel CPU (E6300, E6600 and so on) are you using and what is the

temperature for the CPU showing at in your BIOS?

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:AD63E601-88E6-4DB3-9F01-83A445DA4CF0@microsoft.com...

> I'm hoping that someone out there will be able to help with this issue:

>

> About a year and a half ago, I decided to build a PC. I thought I would

> go

> with the newest and best hardware I could find (in my mind). Long story

> short about hardware is that I got an A-bit AW8D motherboard, 64 bit Intel

> LGA 775 Processor 3.73Ghz, and 2Gb Corsair memory. I have an older Cd-rom

> drive that came off of my old system - a samsung combo drive, the

> traditional

> floppy drive. I have 2 HDD's - one is 250GB, which I use for storage of

> the

> things I can't live without (kids' pictures, videos, music collection),

> you

> get the point -- This HDD is just storage. My OS resides on a 500Gb HDD,

> and

> it started crashing constantly after several months with no problems. I

> reloaded XP pro x64 build 3190 and my problems went away for another

> several

> months (after losing a few pictures and about 100Gb of music and movies).

> I

> learned my lesson, so I read up on restore points and creating backups of

> my

> system. I have performed countless restores now, but my restart, and

> errors

> (BSOD) issues keep getting worse each time. I'm not sure what other

> information I need to post, excetpt that I am getting stop errors for

> anything IRQ -- I thought this was no longer an issue? Also for CD-rom --

> Bad block, but I have no disk in drive. Kernel mode exceptions, Page

> faults,

> and Device driver errors to name a few. I have looked up all info for

> drivers, and I am up to date with all of them, as well as BIOS. Please,

> any

> suggestions would help. I'm about to take this thing outside and start a

> bonfire. Thank you.

January 14, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

no overclock, never been able to. It's an Intel pentium extreme edition

processor with Hyperthreading technology. The reason I had to go with x64,

it wouldn't let me install a 32 bit OS

"Greg R" wrote:

> You have a pretty good overclock going on there if your CPU is at 3.73Ghz.

> What Intel CPU (E6300, E6600 and so on) are you using and what is the

> temperature for the CPU showing at in your BIOS?

>

> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:AD63E601-88E6-4DB3-9F01-83A445DA4CF0@microsoft.com...

> > I'm hoping that someone out there will be able to help with this issue:

> >

> > About a year and a half ago, I decided to build a PC. I thought I would

> > go

> > with the newest and best hardware I could find (in my mind). Long story

> > short about hardware is that I got an A-bit AW8D motherboard, 64 bit Intel

> > LGA 775 Processor 3.73Ghz, and 2Gb Corsair memory. I have an older Cd-rom

> > drive that came off of my old system - a samsung combo drive, the

> > traditional

> > floppy drive. I have 2 HDD's - one is 250GB, which I use for storage of

> > the

> > things I can't live without (kids' pictures, videos, music collection),

> > you

> > get the point -- This HDD is just storage. My OS resides on a 500Gb HDD,

> > and

> > it started crashing constantly after several months with no problems. I

> > reloaded XP pro x64 build 3190 and my problems went away for another

> > several

> > months (after losing a few pictures and about 100Gb of music and movies).

> > I

> > learned my lesson, so I read up on restore points and creating backups of

> > my

> > system. I have performed countless restores now, but my restart, and

> > errors

> > (BSOD) issues keep getting worse each time. I'm not sure what other

> > information I need to post, excetpt that I am getting stop errors for

> > anything IRQ -- I thought this was no longer an issue? Also for CD-rom --

> > Bad block, but I have no disk in drive. Kernel mode exceptions, Page

> > faults,

> > and Device driver errors to name a few. I have looked up all info for

> > drivers, and I am up to date with all of them, as well as BIOS. Please,

> > any

> > suggestions would help. I'm about to take this thing outside and start a

> > bonfire. Thank you.

>

January 14, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

There's really only two possibilities, here. One is hardware, the other is

an infection. Frankly, I think the infection the less likely.

I'm betting hardware, and that means basic troubleshooting. The areas you

need to look at include:

1.) heat

2.) memory

3.) power

So, let's start with heat. What's the inside temperature of the motherboard

and the CPU? (memory too if you have it.) If you don't know these numbers,

your mobo mfg should have included a utility to monitor them, or there are

third party ones out there you can run a trial of. If we're running hot,

there are ways to help. Probably the best way is a better case design, and a

CPU cooler designed to do the job better than the default one. Personally,

I'd want to get the numbers here down to 50 degrees C. or less.

Next, memory. It's very possible that there's a weak memory chip somehwere.

Corsair is decent memory, but even the best can have a problem. I'd run a

good, thorough, memory test overnight on the memory. Something like

memtest86, set to it's most thorough, and set to run continuously.

Finally, power. How big is your power supply, and what other peripherals are

in that box?

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:AD63E601-88E6-4DB3-9F01-83A445DA4CF0@microsoft.com...

> I'm hoping that someone out there will be able to help with this issue:

>

> About a year and a half ago, I decided to build a PC. I thought I would

> go

> with the newest and best hardware I could find (in my mind). Long story

> short about hardware is that I got an A-bit AW8D motherboard, 64 bit Intel

> LGA 775 Processor 3.73Ghz, and 2Gb Corsair memory. I have an older Cd-rom

> drive that came off of my old system - a samsung combo drive, the

> traditional

> floppy drive. I have 2 HDD's - one is 250GB, which I use for storage of

> the

> things I can't live without (kids' pictures, videos, music collection),

> you

> get the point -- This HDD is just storage. My OS resides on a 500Gb HDD,

> and

> it started crashing constantly after several months with no problems. I

> reloaded XP pro x64 build 3190 and my problems went away for another

> several

> months (after losing a few pictures and about 100Gb of music and movies).

> I

> learned my lesson, so I read up on restore points and creating backups of

> my

> system. I have performed countless restores now, but my restart, and

> errors

> (BSOD) issues keep getting worse each time. I'm not sure what other

> information I need to post, excetpt that I am getting stop errors for

> anything IRQ -- I thought this was no longer an issue? Also for CD-rom --

> Bad block, but I have no disk in drive. Kernel mode exceptions, Page

> faults,

> and Device driver errors to name a few. I have looked up all info for

> drivers, and I am up to date with all of them, as well as BIOS. Please,

> any

> suggestions would help. I'm about to take this thing outside and start a

> bonfire. Thank you.

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

You certainly should have been able to install an x86 OS. Something is

fundamentally wrong here.

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:09403F68-F997-4B76-8295-7216264AE901@microsoft.com...

> no overclock, never been able to. It's an Intel pentium extreme edition

> processor with Hyperthreading technology. The reason I had to go with

> x64,

> it wouldn't let me install a 32 bit OS

>

> "Greg R" wrote:

>

>> You have a pretty good overclock going on there if your CPU is at

>> 3.73Ghz.

>> What Intel CPU (E6300, E6600 and so on) are you using and what is the

>> temperature for the CPU showing at in your BIOS?

>>

>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:AD63E601-88E6-4DB3-9F01-83A445DA4CF0@microsoft.com...

>> > I'm hoping that someone out there will be able to help with this issue:

>> >

>> > About a year and a half ago, I decided to build a PC. I thought I

>> > would

>> > go

>> > with the newest and best hardware I could find (in my mind). Long

>> > story

>> > short about hardware is that I got an A-bit AW8D motherboard, 64 bit

>> > Intel

>> > LGA 775 Processor 3.73Ghz, and 2Gb Corsair memory. I have an older

>> > Cd-rom

>> > drive that came off of my old system - a samsung combo drive, the

>> > traditional

>> > floppy drive. I have 2 HDD's - one is 250GB, which I use for storage

>> > of

>> > the

>> > things I can't live without (kids' pictures, videos, music collection),

>> > you

>> > get the point -- This HDD is just storage. My OS resides on a 500Gb

>> > HDD,

>> > and

>> > it started crashing constantly after several months with no problems.

>> > I

>> > reloaded XP pro x64 build 3190 and my problems went away for another

>> > several

>> > months (after losing a few pictures and about 100Gb of music and

>> > movies).

>> > I

>> > learned my lesson, so I read up on restore points and creating backups

>> > of

>> > my

>> > system. I have performed countless restores now, but my restart, and

>> > errors

>> > (BSOD) issues keep getting worse each time. I'm not sure what other

>> > information I need to post, excetpt that I am getting stop errors for

>> > anything IRQ -- I thought this was no longer an issue? Also for

>> > CD-rom --

>> > Bad block, but I have no disk in drive. Kernel mode exceptions, Page

>> > faults,

>> > and Device driver errors to name a few. I have looked up all info for

>> > drivers, and I am up to date with all of them, as well as BIOS.

>> > Please,

>> > any

>> > suggestions would help. I'm about to take this thing outside and start

>> > a

>> > bonfire. Thank you.

>>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip just wouldn't

let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are: CPU:70c,

motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I thought it

might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm still open

to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run weekend stress

tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer for what I

use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build. Power was

an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was trying to run

this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT go well. I

replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it helped, but the

problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys, and will

attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm technically

savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is not a phone

system. Thanks.

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

> Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip just

> wouldn't

> let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are: CPU:70c,

> motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I thought it

> might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm still

> open

> to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run weekend stress

> tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer for what

> I

> use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build. Power

> was

> an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was trying to run

> this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT go well.

> I

> replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it helped, but

> the

> problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys, and will

> attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm technically

> savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is not a

> phone

> system. Thanks.

70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

"Patrick" wrote:

>

> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip just

> > wouldn't

> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are: CPU:70c,

> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I thought it

> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm still

> > open

> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run weekend stress

> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer for what

> > I

> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build. Power

> > was

> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was trying to run

> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT go well.

> > I

> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it helped, but

> > the

> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys, and will

> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm technically

> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is not a

> > phone

> > system. Thanks.

>

> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

if that is at idle it is to hot 60 should be about max for full load

and below is my temps and this is at 30% load playing a game

on a Extream core 2 XQ6850

Field Value

Sensor Properties

Sensor Type ITE IT8718F (ISA 290h)

Motherboard Name Gigabyte G31 / G33 / P31 / P35 / X38 Series

Chassis Intrusion Detected Yes

Temperatures

Motherboard 35 °C (95 °F)

CPU 41 °C (106 °F)

CPU #1 / Core #1 49 °C (120 °F)

CPU #1 / Core #2 48 °C (118 °F)

CPU #1 / Core #3 45 °C (113 °F)

CPU #1 / Core #4 48 °C (118 °F)

Cooling Fans

CPU 2033 RPM

Power Supply 1985 RPM

Fan #4 3497 RPM

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

> Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

>

> "Patrick" wrote:

>

>>

>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

>> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip just

>> > wouldn't

>> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are:

>> > CPU:70c,

>> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I thought

>> > it

>> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm still

>> > open

>> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run weekend

>> > stress

>> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer for

>> > what

>> > I

>> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build. Power

>> > was

>> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was trying to

>> > run

>> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT go

>> > well.

>> > I

>> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it helped,

>> > but

>> > the

>> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys, and

>> > will

>> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

>> > technically

>> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is not a

>> > phone

>> > system. Thanks.

>>

>> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

>>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do you

have?

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

> Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

>

> "Patrick" wrote:

>

>>

>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

>> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip just

>> > wouldn't

>> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are:

>> > CPU:70c,

>> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I thought

>> > it

>> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm still

>> > open

>> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run weekend

>> > stress

>> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer for

>> > what

>> > I

>> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build. Power

>> > was

>> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was trying to

>> > run

>> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT go

>> > well.

>> > I

>> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it helped,

>> > but

>> > the

>> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys, and

>> > will

>> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

>> > technically

>> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is not a

>> > phone

>> > system. Thanks.

>>

>> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

>>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

honestly, I don't beleive that I do which is why I opened it to allow more

ventilation, since I don't have enough room for all the fans the M/B provides

for. I have the CPU fan, a North Bridge fan, a system fan, and 2 of the aux

fans -- they are all the same size -- same as CPU fan. Sorry, I don't know

the dimensions (60mm) maybe.

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do you

> have?

>

> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

> >

> > "Patrick" wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip just

> >> > wouldn't

> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are:

> >> > CPU:70c,

> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I thought

> >> > it

> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm still

> >> > open

> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run weekend

> >> > stress

> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer for

> >> > what

> >> > I

> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build. Power

> >> > was

> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was trying to

> >> > run

> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT go

> >> > well.

> >> > I

> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it helped,

> >> > but

> >> > the

> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys, and

> >> > will

> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

> >> > technically

> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is not a

> >> > phone

> >> > system. Thanks.

> >>

> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

> >>

>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS heat. would

it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I didn't

include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another PC that

has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common between

this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same internet

connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them, and don't

want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to say is

that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,

nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in one of my

earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have researched

this...

I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do you

> have?

>

> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

> >

> > "Patrick" wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip just

> >> > wouldn't

> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are:

> >> > CPU:70c,

> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I thought

> >> > it

> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm still

> >> > open

> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run weekend

> >> > stress

> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer for

> >> > what

> >> > I

> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build. Power

> >> > was

> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was trying to

> >> > run

> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT go

> >> > well.

> >> > I

> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it helped,

> >> > but

> >> > the

> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys, and

> >> > will

> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

> >> > technically

> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is not a

> >> > phone

> >> > system. Thanks.

> >>

> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

> >>

>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case fans

with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is even

more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4@microsoft.com...

> You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS heat.

> would

> it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I didn't

> include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another PC that

> has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common

> between

> this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same internet

> connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them, and

> don't

> want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to say is

> that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,

> nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in one of

> my

> earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have

> researched

> this...

> I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>

>> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do you

>> have?

>>

>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

>> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

>> >

>> > "Patrick" wrote:

>> >

>> >>

>> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip just

>> >> > wouldn't

>> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are:

>> >> > CPU:70c,

>> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I

>> >> > thought

>> >> > it

>> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm

>> >> > still

>> >> > open

>> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run weekend

>> >> > stress

>> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer for

>> >> > what

>> >> > I

>> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build.

>> >> > Power

>> >> > was

>> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was trying

>> >> > to

>> >> > run

>> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT go

>> >> > well.

>> >> > I

>> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it helped,

>> >> > but

>> >> > the

>> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys,

>> >> > and

>> >> > will

>> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

>> >> > technically

>> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is not

>> >> > a

>> >> > phone

>> >> > system. Thanks.

>> >>

>> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

>> >>

>>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

Like I said, I really appreciate all the suggestions, and I will get the fans

I need. If you would recommend a case, I will order it tomorrow. It's just

that there were so many when I searched and I don't know enough about cases

and whether pricing is a factor in making that decision. Please don't

suggest a 500 case with liquid cooling and all that, LOL.

But the question still remains...Why is my laptop experiencing shutdowns?

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case fans

> with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is even

> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

>

> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4@microsoft.com...

> > You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS heat.

> > would

> > it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I didn't

> > include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another PC that

> > has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common

> > between

> > this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same internet

> > connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them, and

> > don't

> > want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to say is

> > that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,

> > nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in one of

> > my

> > earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have

> > researched

> > this...

> > I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,

> >

> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> >

> >> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do you

> >> have?

> >>

> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

> >> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

> >> >

> >> > "Patrick" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip just

> >> >> > wouldn't

> >> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are:

> >> >> > CPU:70c,

> >> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I

> >> >> > thought

> >> >> > it

> >> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm

> >> >> > still

> >> >> > open

> >> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run weekend

> >> >> > stress

> >> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer for

> >> >> > what

> >> >> > I

> >> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build.

> >> >> > Power

> >> >> > was

> >> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was trying

> >> >> > to

> >> >> > run

> >> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT go

> >> >> > well.

> >> >> > I

> >> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it helped,

> >> >> > but

> >> >> > the

> >> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys,

> >> >> > and

> >> >> > will

> >> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

> >> >> > technically

> >> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is not

> >> >> > a

> >> >> > phone

> >> >> > system. Thanks.

> >> >>

> >> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

> >> >>

> >>

>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

Here is a link to Intels specs for thermally advantaged cases:

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-008537.htm

A link with explanations:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00528/

And here is a link to a typical supplier:

http://www.xoxide.com/aspirecases.html

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:7F5B4E56-A674-4405-AF01-E5A42EBDEAD6@microsoft.com...

> Like I said, I really appreciate all the suggestions, and I will get the

> fans

> I need. If you would recommend a case, I will order it tomorrow. It's

> just

> that there were so many when I searched and I don't know enough about

> cases

> and whether pricing is a factor in making that decision. Please don't

> suggest a 500 case with liquid cooling and all that, LOL.

> But the question still remains...Why is my laptop experiencing shutdowns?

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>

>> Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case

>> fans

>> with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is even

>> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

>>

>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4@microsoft.com...

>> > You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS heat.

>> > would

>> > it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I

>> > didn't

>> > include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another PC

>> > that

>> > has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common

>> > between

>> > this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same

>> > internet

>> > connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them, and

>> > don't

>> > want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to say

>> > is

>> > that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,

>> > nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in one

>> > of

>> > my

>> > earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have

>> > researched

>> > this...

>> > I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,

>> >

>> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do

>> >> you

>> >> have?

>> >>

>> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

>> >> >

>> >> > "Patrick" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip

>> >> >> > just

>> >> >> > wouldn't

>> >> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are:

>> >> >> > CPU:70c,

>> >> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I

>> >> >> > thought

>> >> >> > it

>> >> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm

>> >> >> > still

>> >> >> > open

>> >> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run

>> >> >> > weekend

>> >> >> > stress

>> >> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer

>> >> >> > for

>> >> >> > what

>> >> >> > I

>> >> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build.

>> >> >> > Power

>> >> >> > was

>> >> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was

>> >> >> > trying

>> >> >> > to

>> >> >> > run

>> >> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT

>> >> >> > go

>> >> >> > well.

>> >> >> > I

>> >> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it

>> >> >> > helped,

>> >> >> > but

>> >> >> > the

>> >> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys,

>> >> >> > and

>> >> >> > will

>> >> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

>> >> >> > technically

>> >> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is

>> >> >> > not

>> >> >> > a

>> >> >> > phone

>> >> >> > system. Thanks.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

>> >> >>

>> >>

>>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

I don't think I can say this enough guys. THANK YOU! I feel like an idiot,

but since you guys started posting temp comments, I decided to investigate

this further. I found that my CPU fan was actually at a slowewr speed than

it should be. I crancked it up to the "coolest" setting, and I've been

running smooth now for about 1hr. I can even switch users and all! THAT'S

LONGER THAN ANY DAY THIS WEEK, AND MORE SWITCHING THAN I'VE DONE THIS MONTH!

I have copied your links, and will be looking for a case that will accomodate

my hardware better. If anything comes up I will post back to this thread in

a couple of days.

I think I'll start a new thread for my laptop LOL

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> Here is a link to Intels specs for thermally advantaged cases:

> http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-008537.htm

>

> A link with explanations:

> http://www.overclockers.com/tips00528/

>

> And here is a link to a typical supplier:

> http://www.xoxide.com/aspirecases.html

>

> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:7F5B4E56-A674-4405-AF01-E5A42EBDEAD6@microsoft.com...

> > Like I said, I really appreciate all the suggestions, and I will get the

> > fans

> > I need. If you would recommend a case, I will order it tomorrow. It's

> > just

> > that there were so many when I searched and I don't know enough about

> > cases

> > and whether pricing is a factor in making that decision. Please don't

> > suggest a 500 case with liquid cooling and all that, LOL.

> > But the question still remains...Why is my laptop experiencing shutdowns?

> >

> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> >

> >> Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case

> >> fans

> >> with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is even

> >> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

> >>

> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4@microsoft.com...

> >> > You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS heat.

> >> > would

> >> > it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I

> >> > didn't

> >> > include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another PC

> >> > that

> >> > has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common

> >> > between

> >> > this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same

> >> > internet

> >> > connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them, and

> >> > don't

> >> > want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to say

> >> > is

> >> > that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,

> >> > nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in one

> >> > of

> >> > my

> >> > earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have

> >> > researched

> >> > this...

> >> > I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,

> >> >

> >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do

> >> >> you

> >> >> have?

> >> >>

> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

> >> >> >

> >> >> > "Patrick" wrote:

> >> >> >

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

> >> >> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip

> >> >> >> > just

> >> >> >> > wouldn't

> >> >> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They are:

> >> >> >> > CPU:70c,

> >> >> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I

> >> >> >> > thought

> >> >> >> > it

> >> >> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but I'm

> >> >> >> > still

> >> >> >> > open

> >> >> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run

> >> >> >> > weekend

> >> >> >> > stress

> >> >> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much computer

> >> >> >> > for

> >> >> >> > what

> >> >> >> > I

> >> >> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first build.

> >> >> >> > Power

> >> >> >> > was

> >> >> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was

> >> >> >> > trying

> >> >> >> > to

> >> >> >> > run

> >> >> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did NOT

> >> >> >> > go

> >> >> >> > well.

> >> >> >> > I

> >> >> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it

> >> >> >> > helped,

> >> >> >> > but

> >> >> >> > the

> >> >> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input guys,

> >> >> >> > and

> >> >> >> > will

> >> >> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

> >> >> >> > technically

> >> >> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing is

> >> >> >> > not

> >> >> >> > a

> >> >> >> > phone

> >> >> >> > system. Thanks.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

> >> >> >>

> >> >>

> >>

>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

You're welcome. Good luck.

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:17636477-FC21-4FA9-90F8-2B983BB9D97A@microsoft.com...

>I don't think I can say this enough guys. THANK YOU! I feel like an

>idiot,

> but since you guys started posting temp comments, I decided to investigate

> this further. I found that my CPU fan was actually at a slowewr speed

> than

> it should be. I crancked it up to the "coolest" setting, and I've been

> running smooth now for about 1hr. I can even switch users and all!

> THAT'S

> LONGER THAN ANY DAY THIS WEEK, AND MORE SWITCHING THAN I'VE DONE THIS

> MONTH!

> I have copied your links, and will be looking for a case that will

> accomodate

> my hardware better. If anything comes up I will post back to this thread

> in

> a couple of days.

> I think I'll start a new thread for my laptop LOL

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>

>> Here is a link to Intels specs for thermally advantaged cases:

>> http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-008537.htm

>>

>> A link with explanations:

>> http://www.overclockers.com/tips00528/

>>

>> And here is a link to a typical supplier:

>> http://www.xoxide.com/aspirecases.html

>>

>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:7F5B4E56-A674-4405-AF01-E5A42EBDEAD6@microsoft.com...

>> > Like I said, I really appreciate all the suggestions, and I will get

>> > the

>> > fans

>> > I need. If you would recommend a case, I will order it tomorrow. It's

>> > just

>> > that there were so many when I searched and I don't know enough about

>> > cases

>> > and whether pricing is a factor in making that decision. Please don't

>> > suggest a 500 case with liquid cooling and all that, LOL.

>> > But the question still remains...Why is my laptop experiencing

>> > shutdowns?

>> >

>> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case

>> >> fans

>> >> with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is

>> >> even

>> >> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

>> >>

>> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4@microsoft.com...

>> >> > You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS

>> >> > heat.

>> >> > would

>> >> > it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I

>> >> > didn't

>> >> > include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another

>> >> > PC

>> >> > that

>> >> > has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common

>> >> > between

>> >> > this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same

>> >> > internet

>> >> > connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them,

>> >> > and

>> >> > don't

>> >> > want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to

>> >> > say

>> >> > is

>> >> > that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,

>> >> > nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in

>> >> > one

>> >> > of

>> >> > my

>> >> > earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have

>> >> > researched

>> >> > this...

>> >> > I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,

>> >> >

>> >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do

>> >> >> you

>> >> >> have?

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> >> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > "Patrick" wrote:

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> >> >> >> message

>> >> >> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip

>> >> >> >> > just

>> >> >> >> > wouldn't

>> >> >> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They

>> >> >> >> > are:

>> >> >> >> > CPU:70c,

>> >> >> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I

>> >> >> >> > thought

>> >> >> >> > it

>> >> >> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but

>> >> >> >> > I'm

>> >> >> >> > still

>> >> >> >> > open

>> >> >> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run

>> >> >> >> > weekend

>> >> >> >> > stress

>> >> >> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much

>> >> >> >> > computer

>> >> >> >> > for

>> >> >> >> > what

>> >> >> >> > I

>> >> >> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first

>> >> >> >> > build.

>> >> >> >> > Power

>> >> >> >> > was

>> >> >> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was

>> >> >> >> > trying

>> >> >> >> > to

>> >> >> >> > run

>> >> >> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did

>> >> >> >> > NOT

>> >> >> >> > go

>> >> >> >> > well.

>> >> >> >> > I

>> >> >> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it

>> >> >> >> > helped,

>> >> >> >> > but

>> >> >> >> > the

>> >> >> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input

>> >> >> >> > guys,

>> >> >> >> > and

>> >> >> >> > will

>> >> >> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

>> >> >> >> > technically

>> >> >> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing

>> >> >> >> > is

>> >> >> >> > not

>> >> >> >> > a

>> >> >> >> > phone

>> >> >> >> > system. Thanks.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >>

>>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

Just one additional note, leaving the case open doesn't necessarily help the

system run cooler. A well designed case has an airflow that required that

all panels be in place. An open case can change the airflow and cause heat

to build up in certain areas.

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:17636477-FC21-4FA9-90F8-2B983BB9D97A@microsoft.com...

>I don't think I can say this enough guys. THANK YOU! I feel like an

>idiot,

> but since you guys started posting temp comments, I decided to investigate

> this further. I found that my CPU fan was actually at a slowewr speed

> than

> it should be. I crancked it up to the "coolest" setting, and I've been

> running smooth now for about 1hr. I can even switch users and all!

> THAT'S

> LONGER THAN ANY DAY THIS WEEK, AND MORE SWITCHING THAN I'VE DONE THIS

> MONTH!

> I have copied your links, and will be looking for a case that will

> accomodate

> my hardware better. If anything comes up I will post back to this thread

> in

> a couple of days.

> I think I'll start a new thread for my laptop LOL

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>

>> Here is a link to Intels specs for thermally advantaged cases:

>> http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-008537.htm

>>

>> A link with explanations:

>> http://www.overclockers.com/tips00528/

>>

>> And here is a link to a typical supplier:

>> http://www.xoxide.com/aspirecases.html

>>

>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:7F5B4E56-A674-4405-AF01-E5A42EBDEAD6@microsoft.com...

>> > Like I said, I really appreciate all the suggestions, and I will get

>> > the

>> > fans

>> > I need. If you would recommend a case, I will order it tomorrow. It's

>> > just

>> > that there were so many when I searched and I don't know enough about

>> > cases

>> > and whether pricing is a factor in making that decision. Please don't

>> > suggest a 500 case with liquid cooling and all that, LOL.

>> > But the question still remains...Why is my laptop experiencing

>> > shutdowns?

>> >

>> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case

>> >> fans

>> >> with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is

>> >> even

>> >> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

>> >>

>> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4@microsoft.com...

>> >> > You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS

>> >> > heat.

>> >> > would

>> >> > it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I

>> >> > didn't

>> >> > include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another

>> >> > PC

>> >> > that

>> >> > has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common

>> >> > between

>> >> > this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same

>> >> > internet

>> >> > connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them,

>> >> > and

>> >> > don't

>> >> > want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to

>> >> > say

>> >> > is

>> >> > that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,

>> >> > nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in

>> >> > one

>> >> > of

>> >> > my

>> >> > earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have

>> >> > researched

>> >> > this...

>> >> > I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,

>> >> >

>> >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do

>> >> >> you

>> >> >> have?

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> >> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > "Patrick" wrote:

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> >> >> >> message

>> >> >> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip

>> >> >> >> > just

>> >> >> >> > wouldn't

>> >> >> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They

>> >> >> >> > are:

>> >> >> >> > CPU:70c,

>> >> >> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I

>> >> >> >> > thought

>> >> >> >> > it

>> >> >> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but

>> >> >> >> > I'm

>> >> >> >> > still

>> >> >> >> > open

>> >> >> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run

>> >> >> >> > weekend

>> >> >> >> > stress

>> >> >> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much

>> >> >> >> > computer

>> >> >> >> > for

>> >> >> >> > what

>> >> >> >> > I

>> >> >> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first

>> >> >> >> > build.

>> >> >> >> > Power

>> >> >> >> > was

>> >> >> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was

>> >> >> >> > trying

>> >> >> >> > to

>> >> >> >> > run

>> >> >> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did

>> >> >> >> > NOT

>> >> >> >> > go

>> >> >> >> > well.

>> >> >> >> > I

>> >> >> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it

>> >> >> >> > helped,

>> >> >> >> > but

>> >> >> >> > the

>> >> >> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input

>> >> >> >> > guys,

>> >> >> >> > and

>> >> >> >> > will

>> >> >> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

>> >> >> >> > technically

>> >> >> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing

>> >> >> >> > is

>> >> >> >> > not

>> >> >> >> > a

>> >> >> >> > phone

>> >> >> >> > system. Thanks.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >>

>>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

This is correct, leaving a side open will certainly expose the system to

room temperature, but it ruins airflow that is directed at hotspots - this

mean that it is o.k. while troubleshooting or as an emergency, but leaving

it open will surely shorten the life of a handfull of essential parts.

While Colin suggested 120mm fans generated more noise, they exchange a

volume of air using slower speed. An 80mm fan would have to run faster to

exchange the same volume. The result might be roughly the same but the 120mm

should have a lower pitched sound, in my opinion. also, slower speed will

not stress the bearings, so you don't hear them for a much longer time. (all

depending on the last dime spent, most likely.)

You shouldn't have to worry about watercooling unless you want to, but do

spend some sensible amount on a good intelligent case - you will really,

really love it when you press the button the first time - and every time

after that!

Tony. . .

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

news:ecHjFUyVIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Just one additional note, leaving the case open doesn't necessarily help

> the system run cooler. A well designed case has an airflow that required

> that all panels be in place. An open case can change the airflow and

> cause heat to build up in certain areas.

>

> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:17636477-FC21-4FA9-90F8-2B983BB9D97A@microsoft.com...

>>I don't think I can say this enough guys. THANK YOU! I feel like an

>>idiot,

>> but since you guys started posting temp comments, I decided to

>> investigate

>> this further. I found that my CPU fan was actually at a slowewr speed

>> than

>> it should be. I crancked it up to the "coolest" setting, and I've been

>> running smooth now for about 1hr. I can even switch users and all!

>> THAT'S

>> LONGER THAN ANY DAY THIS WEEK, AND MORE SWITCHING THAN I'VE DONE THIS

>> MONTH!

>> I have copied your links, and will be looking for a case that will

>> accomodate

>> my hardware better. If anything comes up I will post back to this thread

>> in

>> a couple of days.

>> I think I'll start a new thread for my laptop LOL

>>

>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>>

>>> Here is a link to Intels specs for thermally advantaged cases:

>>> http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-008537.htm

>>>

>>> A link with explanations:

>>> http://www.overclockers.com/tips00528/

>>>

>>> And here is a link to a typical supplier:

>>> http://www.xoxide.com/aspirecases.html

>>>

>>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:7F5B4E56-A674-4405-AF01-E5A42EBDEAD6@microsoft.com...

>>> > Like I said, I really appreciate all the suggestions, and I will get

>>> > the

>>> > fans

>>> > I need. If you would recommend a case, I will order it tomorrow.

>>> > It's

>>> > just

>>> > that there were so many when I searched and I don't know enough about

>>> > cases

>>> > and whether pricing is a factor in making that decision. Please don't

>>> > suggest a 500 case with liquid cooling and all that, LOL.

>>> > But the question still remains...Why is my laptop experiencing

>>> > shutdowns?

>>> >

>>> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>>> >

>>> >> Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case

>>> >> fans

>>> >> with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is

>>> >> even

>>> >> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

>>> >>

>>> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> >> news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4@microsoft.com...

>>> >> > You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS

>>> >> > heat.

>>> >> > would

>>> >> > it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I

>>> >> > didn't

>>> >> > include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another

>>> >> > PC

>>> >> > that

>>> >> > has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common

>>> >> > between

>>> >> > this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same

>>> >> > internet

>>> >> > connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them,

>>> >> > and

>>> >> > don't

>>> >> > want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to

>>> >> > say

>>> >> > is

>>> >> > that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,

>>> >> > nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in

>>> >> > one

>>> >> > of

>>> >> > my

>>> >> > earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have

>>> >> > researched

>>> >> > this...

>>> >> > I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,

>>> >> >

>>> >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>>> >> >

>>> >> >> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans

>>> >> >> do

>>> >> >> you

>>> >> >> have?

>>> >> >>

>>> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> >> >> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

>>> >> >> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >> > "Patrick" wrote:

>>> >> >> >

>>> >> >> >>

>>> >> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>>> >> >> >> message

>>> >> >> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

>>> >> >> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip

>>> >> >> >> > just

>>> >> >> >> > wouldn't

>>> >> >> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They

>>> >> >> >> > are:

>>> >> >> >> > CPU:70c,

>>> >> >> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I

>>> >> >> >> > thought

>>> >> >> >> > it

>>> >> >> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but

>>> >> >> >> > I'm

>>> >> >> >> > still

>>> >> >> >> > open

>>> >> >> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run

>>> >> >> >> > weekend

>>> >> >> >> > stress

>>> >> >> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much

>>> >> >> >> > computer

>>> >> >> >> > for

>>> >> >> >> > what

>>> >> >> >> > I

>>> >> >> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first

>>> >> >> >> > build.

>>> >> >> >> > Power

>>> >> >> >> > was

>>> >> >> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was

>>> >> >> >> > trying

>>> >> >> >> > to

>>> >> >> >> > run

>>> >> >> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did

>>> >> >> >> > NOT

>>> >> >> >> > go

>>> >> >> >> > well.

>>> >> >> >> > I

>>> >> >> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it

>>> >> >> >> > helped,

>>> >> >> >> > but

>>> >> >> >> > the

>>> >> >> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input

>>> >> >> >> > guys,

>>> >> >> >> > and

>>> >> >> >> > will

>>> >> >> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

>>> >> >> >> > technically

>>> >> >> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing

>>> >> >> >> > is

>>> >> >> >> > not

>>> >> >> >> > a

>>> >> >> >> > phone

>>> >> >> >> > system. Thanks.

>>> >> >> >>

>>> >> >> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

>>> >> >> >>

>>> >> >>

>>> >>

>>>

>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

Take a look at one of the _good_ cooling heat sinks for CPUs. I like the

ArcticCool ones, but those from Noctua, Scythe and others are well thought

of too. (And I don't agree about 120mm v. 80mm fans - the 120's can move

slower and still move the same amount of air, if they have speed control.)

What you need to do is get the heat away from that CPU - it tends to be a

really hot CPU under the best of circumstances, and with an iffy case and

limited fans, you really aren't giving it a chance.

It's also true that more fans isn't necessarily the answer. What matters is

the amount of airflow through the CPU heatsink, and the number and

effectiveness of the fins on that heatsink to pull the heat away. A really

good case can make a difference of 20 degrees C. with no other changes at

all. (This I know from personal experience, with a server I built that

didn't have a decent case. Took me a while to figure out what was happening,

but when I changed it out for an Antec P120, I dropped from the high-50's at

idle to 30 at idle. And have never been over 40 since. )

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:17636477-FC21-4FA9-90F8-2B983BB9D97A@microsoft.com...

>I don't think I can say this enough guys. THANK YOU! I feel like an

>idiot,

> but since you guys started posting temp comments, I decided to investigate

> this further. I found that my CPU fan was actually at a slowewr speed

> than

> it should be. I crancked it up to the "coolest" setting, and I've been

> running smooth now for about 1hr. I can even switch users and all!

> THAT'S

> LONGER THAN ANY DAY THIS WEEK, AND MORE SWITCHING THAN I'VE DONE THIS

> MONTH!

> I have copied your links, and will be looking for a case that will

> accomodate

> my hardware better. If anything comes up I will post back to this thread

> in

> a couple of days.

> I think I'll start a new thread for my laptop LOL

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>

>> Here is a link to Intels specs for thermally advantaged cases:

>> http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-008537.htm

>>

>> A link with explanations:

>> http://www.overclockers.com/tips00528/

>>

>> And here is a link to a typical supplier:

>> http://www.xoxide.com/aspirecases.html

>>

>> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:7F5B4E56-A674-4405-AF01-E5A42EBDEAD6@microsoft.com...

>> > Like I said, I really appreciate all the suggestions, and I will get

>> > the

>> > fans

>> > I need. If you would recommend a case, I will order it tomorrow. It's

>> > just

>> > that there were so many when I searched and I don't know enough about

>> > cases

>> > and whether pricing is a factor in making that decision. Please don't

>> > suggest a 500 case with liquid cooling and all that, LOL.

>> > But the question still remains...Why is my laptop experiencing

>> > shutdowns?

>> >

>> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Yes, heat would cause random stop errors. I used at least three case

>> >> fans

>> >> with all my Pentium 4 machines, especially with Prescotts. Yours is

>> >> even

>> >> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

>> >>

>> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:4457CE65-76CF-4B9E-B14B-E09F438CB9F4@microsoft.com...

>> >> > You know, I've been thinking since my last post. Suppose it IS

>> >> > heat.

>> >> > would

>> >> > it cause multiple / random stop errors? Also, and the reason why I

>> >> > didn't

>> >> > include this earlier, why would I have the same problem on another

>> >> > PC

>> >> > that

>> >> > has never been networked with my desktop? The only thing in common

>> >> > between

>> >> > this laptop (IBM Lenovo T60) and my desktop, was using the same

>> >> > internet

>> >> > connection (cable modem) I did not have a router to network them,

>> >> > and

>> >> > don't

>> >> > want to. I use this laptop with dial-up. The only thing I have to

>> >> > say

>> >> > is

>> >> > that this laptop is more stable -- but the problems ARE the same,

>> >> > nonetheless. I don't want to seem ungrateful, but as I stated in

>> >> > one

>> >> > of

>> >> > my

>> >> > earlier posts, I DO have good troubleshooting skills, and I have

>> >> > researched

>> >> > this...

>> >> > I just don't have any other options. Thank you.,

>> >> >

>> >> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> Are you using a thermally advantaged case and how many case fans do

>> >> >> you

>> >> >> have?

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> >> news:CD056E89-D548-4091-8099-5859DC8DAFD5@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> > Sorry, it's @ 60, didn't check typing

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > "Patrick" wrote:

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> "NYTELTECH" <NYTELTECH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in

>> >> >> >> message

>> >> >> >> news:472BE292-F936-415E-98B5-D86AD5B7B547@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> >> > Seems like The combination of AW8D motherboard and Intel chip

>> >> >> >> > just

>> >> >> >> > wouldn't

>> >> >> >> > let 32 bit OS get installed. anyway, I checked temps. They

>> >> >> >> > are:

>> >> >> >> > CPU:70c,

>> >> >> >> > motherboard 35c, and I've been keeping the case open since I

>> >> >> >> > thought

>> >> >> >> > it

>> >> >> >> > might be heat as well. I don't think that's it anymore, but

>> >> >> >> > I'm

>> >> >> >> > still

>> >> >> >> > open

>> >> >> >> > to suggestions. As far as memory goes, I have already run

>> >> >> >> > weekend

>> >> >> >> > stress

>> >> >> >> > tests and found no problems. This is actually too much

>> >> >> >> > computer

>> >> >> >> > for

>> >> >> >> > what

>> >> >> >> > I

>> >> >> >> > use it for, but I had to satisfy myself and make my first

>> >> >> >> > build.

>> >> >> >> > Power

>> >> >> >> > was

>> >> >> >> > an issue when I first put my "Frankenstein" together. I was

>> >> >> >> > trying

>> >> >> >> > to

>> >> >> >> > run

>> >> >> >> > this thing with an old 300W p/s. Needless to say, that did

>> >> >> >> > NOT

>> >> >> >> > go

>> >> >> >> > well.

>> >> >> >> > I

>> >> >> >> > replaced it with an 800W BFG if I remember correctly, and it

>> >> >> >> > helped,

>> >> >> >> > but

>> >> >> >> > the

>> >> >> >> > problems have not gone away. I really appreciate the input

>> >> >> >> > guys,

>> >> >> >> > and

>> >> >> >> > will

>> >> >> >> > attempt anything suggested here because I am at a loss. I'm

>> >> >> >> > technically

>> >> >> >> > savvy, and have great troubleshooting skills, but this thing

>> >> >> >> > is

>> >> >> >> > not

>> >> >> >> > a

>> >> >> >> > phone

>> >> >> >> > system. Thanks.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> 70c is to hot throw some ice on it :) should be 50-60

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >>

>>

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> You certainly should have been able to install an x86 OS. Something is

> fundamentally wrong here.

>

No sh't?

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:3ACAD0AB-7238-4B84-8766-DECD4AA34FB7@microsoft.com...

> more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

Nope.

As others have pointed out, they don't have to spin so fast to move an equal

amount of air.

With your logic, 40mm fans would be near noiseless. Yet 1U servers are the

noisiest machines known to man, because they have to employ 40mm fans to

move air.

E.g. Papst has a 120mm fan that can push 70m^3/h (18dB), alternatively you

can get their 80mm fan pushing 45m^3/h (19dB). For 79m^3/h you have to put

up with 37dB using a Papst 80mm fan. You do the math.

(sorry for the e-mail Colin, I hit the wrong button in the newsreader)

--

Rune

January 15, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

Thank you all for the suggestions. I am currently looking for a better case.

I never took any of this into consideration before, this being a first build

and all. Now that I know for sure what the problem is, I am going to start

GAMING!!!!!! LOL

YOU GUYS ROCK!

"Rune Moberg" wrote:

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:3ACAD0AB-7238-4B84-8766-DECD4AA34FB7@microsoft.com...

> > more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

>

> Nope.

>

> As others have pointed out, they don't have to spin so fast to move an equal

> amount of air.

>

> With your logic, 40mm fans would be near noiseless. Yet 1U servers are the

> noisiest machines known to man, because they have to employ 40mm fans to

> move air.

>

> E.g. Papst has a 120mm fan that can push 70m^3/h (18dB), alternatively you

> can get their 80mm fan pushing 45m^3/h (19dB). For 79m^3/h you have to put

> up with 37dB using a Papst 80mm fan. You do the math.

>

> (sorry for the e-mail Colin, I hit the wrong button in the newsreader)

>

> --

> Rune

>

January 16, 2008

Re: XP pro x64 crashing constantly

On Jan 15, 9:29 am, NYTELTECH <NYTELT...@discussions.microsoft.com>

wrote:

> Thank you all for the suggestions. I am currently looking for a better case.

> I never took any of this into consideration before, this being a first build

> and all. Now that I know for sure what the problem is, I am going to start

> GAMING!!!!!! LOL

> YOU GUYS ROCK!

>

> "Rune Moberg" wrote:

> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnho...@comcast.net> wrote in message

> >news:3ACAD0AB-7238-4B84-8766-DECD4AA34FB7@microsoft.com...

> > > more powerful than those. Use 80mm fans. 120mm fans are too noisy.

>

> > Nope.

>

> > As others have pointed out, they don't have to spin so fast to move an equal

> > amount of air.

>

> > With your logic, 40mm fans would be near noiseless. Yet 1U servers are the

> > noisiest machines known to man, because they have to employ 40mm fans to

> > move air.

>

> > E.g. Papst has a 120mm fan that can push 70m^3/h (18dB), alternatively you

> > can get their 80mm fan pushing 45m^3/h (19dB). For 79m^3/h you have to put

> > up with 37dB using a Papst 80mm fan. You do the math.

>

> > (sorry for the e-mail Colin, I hit the wrong button in the newsreader)

>

> > --

> > Rune

There is something to be said for using high efficiency power supplies

as well. They generate less heat.

I've built some PCs out of the Antec Silent PC case. [They have a few

models now. I use P180] Of course it's not completely silent, but the

fans all have multiple speed so you can experiment and get the right

combination of fans running. I also use Zalman heatsinks.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article249-page1.html

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