My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

February 25, 2008

Hey gang,

Ok, so's I purchased Vista Ultimate 64 bit full retail version, and

installed on a new hard drive of it's own, to boot along with my current XP

Pro 32 bit install, to mainly play around with it.

With the exception of my previously mentioned problems of not getting a

choice upon startup which OS to boot into, have to use the bios boot menu to

choose the drive to boot from, installation went flawless. Got all my needed

drivers, and they installed just fine.

My system boots into XP Pro by default, which is really what I want for now,

and I can choose myself when to boot into Vista. My wife will not be using

Vista for now, so this scenario works pretty good.

Anyway, when I first started playing around with Vista Saturday afternoon, I

first thought, oh my gosh, what have I gotten myself into? It was so

different, and really was not sure I liked some of the differences and way

it was layed out.

Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail set up for

my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really like, and

surprisingly it ran it very well, and just tinkering with it a bit.

I have to admit, the more I use it, the more I really like it. My system, is

fairly current by today's standards, and I am sure that has a lot to do with

it - Vista 64 seems to really be very robust on my hardware. I was hesitant

in purchasing Vista, mainly due to what I have read for the past year or so,

but for now I am pleasantly surprised. I knew when I did purchase it , it

would mainly be to finally get a 64 bit OS, and I am glad I did. I am

already finding myself wanting to boot into Vista more than into XP. I have

a long way to go before Vista might become my main OS, due to all my

critical things I have running on XP, but I can see at some point in the

future, it just might be. I am sure I will run across more things I like,

and am sure will run across more things I dislike, but I am impressed so

far.

Thanks to everyone so far, for their help, I am sure I will have more

questions as I go, but hopefully they will get fewer as time goes on.

--

Don

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February 26, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

Hi, Don.

Welcome to the club! I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 since beta days,

multi-booting many different combinations until Vista RTM. Since December

2006, though, I've seldom booted anything else, except for just updating the

other OSes in case I might need them someday. (I've been booting into Vista

Ultimate x86 for the past several days, getting it ready for the automatic

Windows Update to SP1. I already have SP1 in x64.)

> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail set up

> for

> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really like, and

My recommendation is that you take a few days to play with Windows Mail just

to see what it's like, then download and install Windows Live Mail. Most of

us like WLM much better than WM. In fact, you should also install WLM in

WinXP; having it in both operating systems should make the transition easier

when you are ready to retire WinXP. As you know, OE will not run in Vista,

WM will not run in WinXP, but WLM will run in both WinXP and Vista. And it

will run side-by-side with OE or WM; in either case, it will maintain its

Message Store separately from OE's Store Folder and WM's own Message Store.

(As you also know, we can't easily delete either OE or WM, but we can simply

ignore them.) By default, WLM will "Leave messages on the server..." for a

while so that you can keep both Stores complete until you decide which one

to use permanently. My guess is that it will take you less than a week to

decide that WLM - not WM - is the way to go for the future.

It takes a week or so for Vista to optimize itself for the way YOU work. It

has to build its Search index and do some other background customization,

such as SuperFetch. And you will resent the continual intrusion and nagging

by User Access Control while you are installing all your applications and

perhaps some drivers. But after the first week, you should see

significantly less of such annoyances.

Enjoy!

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Don" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message

news:uc0sp1$dIHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Hey gang,

>

> Ok, so's I purchased Vista Ultimate 64 bit full retail version, and

> installed on a new hard drive of it's own, to boot along with my current

> XP

> Pro 32 bit install, to mainly play around with it.

>

> With the exception of my previously mentioned problems of not getting a

> choice upon startup which OS to boot into, have to use the bios boot menu

> to

> choose the drive to boot from, installation went flawless. Got all my

> needed

> drivers, and they installed just fine.

> My system boots into XP Pro by default, which is really what I want for

> now,

> and I can choose myself when to boot into Vista. My wife will not be using

> Vista for now, so this scenario works pretty good.

>

> Anyway, when I first started playing around with Vista Saturday afternoon,

> I

> first thought, oh my gosh, what have I gotten myself into? It was so

> different, and really was not sure I liked some of the differences and way

> it was layed out.

> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail set up

> for

> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really like, and

> surprisingly it ran it very well, and just tinkering with it a bit.

>

> I have to admit, the more I use it, the more I really like it. My system,

> is

> fairly current by today's standards, and I am sure that has a lot to do

> with

> it - Vista 64 seems to really be very robust on my hardware. I was

> hesitant

> in purchasing Vista, mainly due to what I have read for the past year or

> so,

> but for now I am pleasantly surprised. I knew when I did purchase it , it

> would mainly be to finally get a 64 bit OS, and I am glad I did. I am

> already finding myself wanting to boot into Vista more than into XP. I

> have

> a long way to go before Vista might become my main OS, due to all my

> critical things I have running on XP, but I can see at some point in the

> future, it just might be. I am sure I will run across more things I like,

> and am sure will run across more things I dislike, but I am impressed so

> far.

>

> Thanks to everyone so far, for their help, I am sure I will have more

> questions as I go, but hopefully they will get fewer as time goes on.

>

> --

> Don

February 26, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

Many thanks for the excellent information R.C.,

I had just this morning posted to the Vista mail group, inquiring on Windows

Live Mail, and now I think you have pretty much answered that for me.

I have to go out of town today until Thursday night, will give it a shot

upon my return. Good to know I can run that one in both XP and Vista as

well.

When I purchased Vista, my intent was to just use it to play around for some

time, maintaining XP Pro for some time as my primary OS, that may change

sooner than I thought.

It is so good, to finally have a 64 bit OS, my 4gb of ram recognized, and

with drivers available that I need, I think I am going to enjoy this very

much.

Again, thanks for the info.

--

Don

"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

news:8F5B046A-F354-4A32-BD2C-33C7CDE3FFA4@microsoft.com...

> Hi, Don.

>

> Welcome to the club! I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 since beta

> days, multi-booting many different combinations until Vista RTM. Since

> December 2006, though, I've seldom booted anything else, except for just

> updating the other OSes in case I might need them someday. (I've been

> booting into Vista Ultimate x86 for the past several days, getting it

> ready for the automatic Windows Update to SP1. I already have SP1 in

> x64.)

>

>> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail set up

>> for

>> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really like, and

>

> My recommendation is that you take a few days to play with Windows Mail

> just to see what it's like, then download and install Windows Live Mail.

> Most of us like WLM much better than WM. In fact, you should also install

> WLM in WinXP; having it in both operating systems should make the

> transition easier when you are ready to retire WinXP. As you know, OE

> will not run in Vista, WM will not run in WinXP, but WLM will run in both

> WinXP and Vista. And it will run side-by-side with OE or WM; in either

> case, it will maintain its Message Store separately from OE's Store Folder

> and WM's own Message Store. (As you also know, we can't easily delete

> either OE or WM, but we can simply ignore them.) By default, WLM will

> "Leave messages on the server..." for a while so that you can keep both

> Stores complete until you decide which one to use permanently. My guess

> is that it will take you less than a week to decide that WLM - not WM - is

> the way to go for the future.

>

> It takes a week or so for Vista to optimize itself for the way YOU work.

> It has to build its Search index and do some other background

> customization, such as SuperFetch. And you will resent the continual

> intrusion and nagging by User Access Control while you are installing all

> your applications and perhaps some drivers. But after the first week, you

> should see significantly less of such annoyances.

>

> Enjoy!

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

February 26, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

Since the both of you are experienced in running side by side OS, can you

tell me if I could run 64-bit Vista HP with 4GB of ram and still run HomeXP

or XP pro with that amount of ram. I realize all the memory won't be

recognised by XP but will there be a problem with the ram? Thank you.

"Don" wrote:

> Many thanks for the excellent information R.C.,

>

> I had just this morning posted to the Vista mail group, inquiring on Windows

> Live Mail, and now I think you have pretty much answered that for me.

> I have to go out of town today until Thursday night, will give it a shot

> upon my return. Good to know I can run that one in both XP and Vista as

> well.

> When I purchased Vista, my intent was to just use it to play around for some

> time, maintaining XP Pro for some time as my primary OS, that may change

> sooner than I thought.

>

> It is so good, to finally have a 64 bit OS, my 4gb of ram recognized, and

> with drivers available that I need, I think I am going to enjoy this very

> much.

>

> Again, thanks for the info.

>

> --

> Don

>

> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

> news:8F5B046A-F354-4A32-BD2C-33C7CDE3FFA4@microsoft.com...

> > Hi, Don.

> >

> > Welcome to the club! I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 since beta

> > days, multi-booting many different combinations until Vista RTM. Since

> > December 2006, though, I've seldom booted anything else, except for just

> > updating the other OSes in case I might need them someday. (I've been

> > booting into Vista Ultimate x86 for the past several days, getting it

> > ready for the automatic Windows Update to SP1. I already have SP1 in

> > x64.)

> >

> >> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail set up

> >> for

> >> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really like, and

> >

> > My recommendation is that you take a few days to play with Windows Mail

> > just to see what it's like, then download and install Windows Live Mail.

> > Most of us like WLM much better than WM. In fact, you should also install

> > WLM in WinXP; having it in both operating systems should make the

> > transition easier when you are ready to retire WinXP. As you know, OE

> > will not run in Vista, WM will not run in WinXP, but WLM will run in both

> > WinXP and Vista. And it will run side-by-side with OE or WM; in either

> > case, it will maintain its Message Store separately from OE's Store Folder

> > and WM's own Message Store. (As you also know, we can't easily delete

> > either OE or WM, but we can simply ignore them.) By default, WLM will

> > "Leave messages on the server..." for a while so that you can keep both

> > Stores complete until you decide which one to use permanently. My guess

> > is that it will take you less than a week to decide that WLM - not WM - is

> > the way to go for the future.

> >

> > It takes a week or so for Vista to optimize itself for the way YOU work.

> > It has to build its Search index and do some other background

> > customization, such as SuperFetch. And you will resent the continual

> > intrusion and nagging by User Access Control while you are installing all

> > your applications and perhaps some drivers. But after the first week, you

> > should see significantly less of such annoyances.

> >

> > Enjoy!

> >

> > RC

> > --

> > R. C. White, CPA

> > San Marcos, TX

> > rc@grandecom.net

> > Microsoft Windows MVP

> > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

> >

>

February 27, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

You can dual boot XP x86 and Vista x64 on a machine with 4GB or more of ram.

XP x86 would not use the extra ram above 4GB that Vista x64 can use, but

that is not a problem.

You can also run XP x86 in a virtual machine on your Vista x64 desktop using

Virtual PC (although the reverse does not work) and no rebooting is

necessary to go from one to the other since they both run at the same time.

I recommend running XP in a virtual machine on Vista x64 rather than

multibooting on a primary home computer.

I multiboot XP Pro x86, XP Pro x64, Vista Ultimate x86, and Vista Ultimate

x64 on my test box with 4GB of ram.

"therese1225" <therese1225@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:BEA5B184-A427-4303-B764-C685652D14E0@microsoft.com...

> Since the both of you are experienced in running side by side OS, can you

> tell me if I could run 64-bit Vista HP with 4GB of ram and still run

> HomeXP

> or XP pro with that amount of ram. I realize all the memory won't be

> recognised by XP but will there be a problem with the ram? Thank you.

>

> "Don" wrote:

>

>> Many thanks for the excellent information R.C.,

>>

>> I had just this morning posted to the Vista mail group, inquiring on

>> Windows

>> Live Mail, and now I think you have pretty much answered that for me.

>> I have to go out of town today until Thursday night, will give it a shot

>> upon my return. Good to know I can run that one in both XP and Vista as

>> well.

>> When I purchased Vista, my intent was to just use it to play around for

>> some

>> time, maintaining XP Pro for some time as my primary OS, that may change

>> sooner than I thought.

>>

>> It is so good, to finally have a 64 bit OS, my 4gb of ram recognized, and

>> with drivers available that I need, I think I am going to enjoy this very

>> much.

>>

>> Again, thanks for the info.

>>

>> --

>> Don

>>

>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

>> news:8F5B046A-F354-4A32-BD2C-33C7CDE3FFA4@microsoft.com...

>> > Hi, Don.

>> >

>> > Welcome to the club! I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 since beta

>> > days, multi-booting many different combinations until Vista RTM. Since

>> > December 2006, though, I've seldom booted anything else, except for

>> > just

>> > updating the other OSes in case I might need them someday. (I've been

>> > booting into Vista Ultimate x86 for the past several days, getting it

>> > ready for the automatic Windows Update to SP1. I already have SP1 in

>> > x64.)

>> >

>> >> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail set

>> >> up

>> >> for

>> >> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really like,

>> >> and

>> >

>> > My recommendation is that you take a few days to play with Windows Mail

>> > just to see what it's like, then download and install Windows Live

>> > Mail.

>> > Most of us like WLM much better than WM. In fact, you should also

>> > install

>> > WLM in WinXP; having it in both operating systems should make the

>> > transition easier when you are ready to retire WinXP. As you know, OE

>> > will not run in Vista, WM will not run in WinXP, but WLM will run in

>> > both

>> > WinXP and Vista. And it will run side-by-side with OE or WM; in either

>> > case, it will maintain its Message Store separately from OE's Store

>> > Folder

>> > and WM's own Message Store. (As you also know, we can't easily delete

>> > either OE or WM, but we can simply ignore them.) By default, WLM will

>> > "Leave messages on the server..." for a while so that you can keep both

>> > Stores complete until you decide which one to use permanently. My

>> > guess

>> > is that it will take you less than a week to decide that WLM - not WM -

>> > is

>> > the way to go for the future.

>> >

>> > It takes a week or so for Vista to optimize itself for the way YOU

>> > work.

>> > It has to build its Search index and do some other background

>> > customization, such as SuperFetch. And you will resent the continual

>> > intrusion and nagging by User Access Control while you are installing

>> > all

>> > your applications and perhaps some drivers. But after the first week,

>> > you

>> > should see significantly less of such annoyances.

>> >

>> > Enjoy!

>> >

>> > RC

>> > --

>> > R. C. White, CPA

>> > San Marcos, TX

>> > rc@grandecom.net

>> > Microsoft Windows MVP

>> > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>> >

>>

February 27, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

Hey therese,

Obviously Colin answered your question already very well, I can vouch as far

as my system as well, I dual boot both XP Pro 32 bit, and Vista Ultimate 64

bit, with 4gb of ram on my system, with no problems. The available ram XP

reports to me is 2.85 gb, Vista 64 of course 4gb :).

Don

"therese1225" <therese1225@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:BEA5B184-A427-4303-B764-C685652D14E0@microsoft.com...

> Since the both of you are experienced in running side by side OS, can you

> tell me if I could run 64-bit Vista HP with 4GB of ram and still run

> HomeXP

> or XP pro with that amount of ram. I realize all the memory won't be

> recognised by XP but will there be a problem with the ram? Thank you.

>

> "Don" wrote:

>

>> Many thanks for the excellent information R.C.,

>>

>> I had just this morning posted to the Vista mail group, inquiring on

>> Windows

>> Live Mail, and now I think you have pretty much answered that for me.

>> I have to go out of town today until Thursday night, will give it a shot

>> upon my return. Good to know I can run that one in both XP and Vista as

>> well.

>> When I purchased Vista, my intent was to just use it to play around for

>> some

>> time, maintaining XP Pro for some time as my primary OS, that may change

>> sooner than I thought.

>>

>> It is so good, to finally have a 64 bit OS, my 4gb of ram recognized, and

>> with drivers available that I need, I think I am going to enjoy this very

>> much.

>>

>> Again, thanks for the info.

>>

>> --

>> Don

>>

>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

>> news:8F5B046A-F354-4A32-BD2C-33C7CDE3FFA4@microsoft.com...

>> > Hi, Don.

>> >

>> > Welcome to the club! I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 since beta

>> > days, multi-booting many different combinations until Vista RTM. Since

>> > December 2006, though, I've seldom booted anything else, except for

>> > just

>> > updating the other OSes in case I might need them someday. (I've been

>> > booting into Vista Ultimate x86 for the past several days, getting it

>> > ready for the automatic Windows Update to SP1. I already have SP1 in

>> > x64.)

>> >

>> >> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail set

>> >> up

>> >> for

>> >> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really like,

>> >> and

>> >

>> > My recommendation is that you take a few days to play with Windows Mail

>> > just to see what it's like, then download and install Windows Live

>> > Mail.

>> > Most of us like WLM much better than WM. In fact, you should also

>> > install

>> > WLM in WinXP; having it in both operating systems should make the

>> > transition easier when you are ready to retire WinXP. As you know, OE

>> > will not run in Vista, WM will not run in WinXP, but WLM will run in

>> > both

>> > WinXP and Vista. And it will run side-by-side with OE or WM; in either

>> > case, it will maintain its Message Store separately from OE's Store

>> > Folder

>> > and WM's own Message Store. (As you also know, we can't easily delete

>> > either OE or WM, but we can simply ignore them.) By default, WLM will

>> > "Leave messages on the server..." for a while so that you can keep both

>> > Stores complete until you decide which one to use permanently. My

>> > guess

>> > is that it will take you less than a week to decide that WLM - not WM -

>> > is

>> > the way to go for the future.

>> >

>> > It takes a week or so for Vista to optimize itself for the way YOU

>> > work.

>> > It has to build its Search index and do some other background

>> > customization, such as SuperFetch. And you will resent the continual

>> > intrusion and nagging by User Access Control while you are installing

>> > all

>> > your applications and perhaps some drivers. But after the first week,

>> > you

>> > should see significantly less of such annoyances.

>> >

>> > Enjoy!

>> >

>> > RC

>> > --

>> > R. C. White, CPA

>> > San Marcos, TX

>> > rc@grandecom.net

>> > Microsoft Windows MVP

>> > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>> >

>>

February 27, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

Hi, Therese.

Well, they don't really "run side by side". Both OSes are installed on the

hard disk, but in separate volumes. And they NEVER both run at the same

time. To switch from Vista to XP, you have to reboot the computer; Vista is

completely forgotten before XP ever gets loaded. The same thing happens

with two installations of Vista Ultimate XP or 2 copies of WinXP Home. Only

one OS at a time will be using any RAM at all, so they will never be sharing

it. (Unless you use a virtual machine, as Colin said.)

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"therese1225" <therese1225@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:BEA5B184-A427-4303-B764-C685652D14E0@microsoft.com...

> Since the both of you are experienced in running side by side OS, can you

> tell me if I could run 64-bit Vista HP with 4GB of ram and still run

> HomeXP

> or XP pro with that amount of ram. I realize all the memory won't be

> recognised by XP but will there be a problem with the ram? Thank you.

>

> "Don" wrote:

>

>> Many thanks for the excellent information R.C.,

>>

>> I had just this morning posted to the Vista mail group, inquiring on

>> Windows

>> Live Mail, and now I think you have pretty much answered that for me.

>> I have to go out of town today until Thursday night, will give it a shot

>> upon my return. Good to know I can run that one in both XP and Vista as

>> well.

>> When I purchased Vista, my intent was to just use it to play around for

>> some

>> time, maintaining XP Pro for some time as my primary OS, that may change

>> sooner than I thought.

>>

>> It is so good, to finally have a 64 bit OS, my 4gb of ram recognized, and

>> with drivers available that I need, I think I am going to enjoy this very

>> much.

>>

>> Again, thanks for the info.

>>

>> --

>> Don

>>

>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

>> news:8F5B046A-F354-4A32-BD2C-33C7CDE3FFA4@microsoft.com...

>> > Hi, Don.

>> >

>> > Welcome to the club! I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 since beta

>> > days, multi-booting many different combinations until Vista RTM. Since

>> > December 2006, though, I've seldom booted anything else, except for

>> > just

>> > updating the other OSes in case I might need them someday. (I've been

>> > booting into Vista Ultimate x86 for the past several days, getting it

>> > ready for the automatic Windows Update to SP1. I already have SP1 in

>> > x64.)

>> >

>> >> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail set

>> >> up

>> >> for

>> >> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really like,

>> >> and

>> >

>> > My recommendation is that you take a few days to play with Windows Mail

>> > just to see what it's like, then download and install Windows Live

>> > Mail.

>> > Most of us like WLM much better than WM. In fact, you should also

>> > install

>> > WLM in WinXP; having it in both operating systems should make the

>> > transition easier when you are ready to retire WinXP. As you know, OE

>> > will not run in Vista, WM will not run in WinXP, but WLM will run in

>> > both

>> > WinXP and Vista. And it will run side-by-side with OE or WM; in either

>> > case, it will maintain its Message Store separately from OE's Store

>> > Folder

>> > and WM's own Message Store. (As you also know, we can't easily delete

>> > either OE or WM, but we can simply ignore them.) By default, WLM will

>> > "Leave messages on the server..." for a while so that you can keep both

>> > Stores complete until you decide which one to use permanently. My

>> > guess

>> > is that it will take you less than a week to decide that WLM - not WM -

>> > is

>> > the way to go for the future.

>> >

>> > It takes a week or so for Vista to optimize itself for the way YOU

>> > work.

>> > It has to build its Search index and do some other background

>> > customization, such as SuperFetch. And you will resent the continual

>> > intrusion and nagging by User Access Control while you are installing

>> > all

>> > your applications and perhaps some drivers. But after the first week,

>> > you

>> > should see significantly less of such annoyances.

>> >

>> > Enjoy!

>> >

>> > RC

February 29, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

Another rare voice of Sanity. I love my Vista 64. I would never go back to

XP.

"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

news:B330799C-3120-4F1C-9481-10F6D7D9D48C@microsoft.com...

> Hi, Therese.

>

> Well, they don't really "run side by side". Both OSes are installed on

> the hard disk, but in separate volumes. And they NEVER both run at the

> same time. To switch from Vista to XP, you have to reboot the computer;

> Vista is completely forgotten before XP ever gets loaded. The same thing

> happens with two installations of Vista Ultimate XP or 2 copies of WinXP

> Home. Only one OS at a time will be using any RAM at all, so they will

> never be sharing it. (Unless you use a virtual machine, as Colin said.)

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "therese1225" <therese1225@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:BEA5B184-A427-4303-B764-C685652D14E0@microsoft.com...

>> Since the both of you are experienced in running side by side OS, can you

>> tell me if I could run 64-bit Vista HP with 4GB of ram and still run

>> HomeXP

>> or XP pro with that amount of ram. I realize all the memory won't be

>> recognised by XP but will there be a problem with the ram? Thank you.

>>

>> "Don" wrote:

>>

>>> Many thanks for the excellent information R.C.,

>>>

>>> I had just this morning posted to the Vista mail group, inquiring on

>>> Windows

>>> Live Mail, and now I think you have pretty much answered that for me.

>>> I have to go out of town today until Thursday night, will give it a shot

>>> upon my return. Good to know I can run that one in both XP and Vista as

>>> well.

>>> When I purchased Vista, my intent was to just use it to play around for

>>> some

>>> time, maintaining XP Pro for some time as my primary OS, that may change

>>> sooner than I thought.

>>>

>>> It is so good, to finally have a 64 bit OS, my 4gb of ram recognized,

>>> and

>>> with drivers available that I need, I think I am going to enjoy this

>>> very

>>> much.

>>>

>>> Again, thanks for the info.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Don

>>>

>>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

>>> news:8F5B046A-F354-4A32-BD2C-33C7CDE3FFA4@microsoft.com...

>>> > Hi, Don.

>>> >

>>> > Welcome to the club! I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 since beta

>>> > days, multi-booting many different combinations until Vista RTM.

>>> > Since

>>> > December 2006, though, I've seldom booted anything else, except for

>>> > just

>>> > updating the other OSes in case I might need them someday. (I've been

>>> > booting into Vista Ultimate x86 for the past several days, getting it

>>> > ready for the automatic Windows Update to SP1. I already have SP1 in

>>> > x64.)

>>> >

>>> >> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail set

>>> >> up

>>> >> for

>>> >> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really like,

>>> >> and

>>> >

>>> > My recommendation is that you take a few days to play with Windows

>>> > Mail

>>> > just to see what it's like, then download and install Windows Live

>>> > Mail.

>>> > Most of us like WLM much better than WM. In fact, you should also

>>> > install

>>> > WLM in WinXP; having it in both operating systems should make the

>>> > transition easier when you are ready to retire WinXP. As you know, OE

>>> > will not run in Vista, WM will not run in WinXP, but WLM will run in

>>> > both

>>> > WinXP and Vista. And it will run side-by-side with OE or WM; in

>>> > either

>>> > case, it will maintain its Message Store separately from OE's Store

>>> > Folder

>>> > and WM's own Message Store. (As you also know, we can't easily delete

>>> > either OE or WM, but we can simply ignore them.) By default, WLM will

>>> > "Leave messages on the server..." for a while so that you can keep

>>> > both

>>> > Stores complete until you decide which one to use permanently. My

>>> > guess

>>> > is that it will take you less than a week to decide that WLM - not

>>> > WM - is

>>> > the way to go for the future.

>>> >

>>> > It takes a week or so for Vista to optimize itself for the way YOU

>>> > work.

>>> > It has to build its Search index and do some other background

>>> > customization, such as SuperFetch. And you will resent the continual

>>> > intrusion and nagging by User Access Control while you are installing

>>> > all

>>> > your applications and perhaps some drivers. But after the first week,

>>> > you

>>> > should see significantly less of such annoyances.

>>> >

>>> > Enjoy!

>>> >

>>> > RC

>

February 29, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

At this point, I can certainly understand that. I am finding myself booting

more into Vista 64 now, only time I boot into XP is when I need to update my

Quicken files and things of that nature.

I will slowly be migrating more and more over to Vista 64. I could see this

becoming my main and only OS before too much time passes...

--

Don

"KevinD" <kjdinoc@msn.com> wrote in message

news:DD0D0EAB-9B0D-41FB-A550-7D0EBEBF25DD@microsoft.com...

> Another rare voice of Sanity. I love my Vista 64. I would never go back

> to XP.

>

> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

> news:B330799C-3120-4F1C-9481-10F6D7D9D48C@microsoft.com...

>> Hi, Therese.

>>

>> Well, they don't really "run side by side". Both OSes are installed on

>> the hard disk, but in separate volumes. And they NEVER both run at the

>> same time. To switch from Vista to XP, you have to reboot the computer;

>> Vista is completely forgotten before XP ever gets loaded. The same thing

>> happens with two installations of Vista Ultimate XP or 2 copies of WinXP

>> Home. Only one OS at a time will be using any RAM at all, so they will

>> never be sharing it. (Unless you use a virtual machine, as Colin said.)

>>

>> RC

>> --

>> R. C. White, CPA

>> San Marcos, TX

>> rc@grandecom.net

>> Microsoft Windows MVP

>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>>

>> "therese1225" <therese1225@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:BEA5B184-A427-4303-B764-C685652D14E0@microsoft.com...

>>> Since the both of you are experienced in running side by side OS, can

>>> you

>>> tell me if I could run 64-bit Vista HP with 4GB of ram and still run

>>> HomeXP

>>> or XP pro with that amount of ram. I realize all the memory won't be

>>> recognised by XP but will there be a problem with the ram? Thank you.

>>>

>>> "Don" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Many thanks for the excellent information R.C.,

>>>>

>>>> I had just this morning posted to the Vista mail group, inquiring on

>>>> Windows

>>>> Live Mail, and now I think you have pretty much answered that for me.

>>>> I have to go out of town today until Thursday night, will give it a

>>>> shot

>>>> upon my return. Good to know I can run that one in both XP and Vista as

>>>> well.

>>>> When I purchased Vista, my intent was to just use it to play around for

>>>> some

>>>> time, maintaining XP Pro for some time as my primary OS, that may

>>>> change

>>>> sooner than I thought.

>>>>

>>>> It is so good, to finally have a 64 bit OS, my 4gb of ram recognized,

>>>> and

>>>> with drivers available that I need, I think I am going to enjoy this

>>>> very

>>>> much.

>>>>

>>>> Again, thanks for the info.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Don

>>>>

>>>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:8F5B046A-F354-4A32-BD2C-33C7CDE3FFA4@microsoft.com...

>>>> > Hi, Don.

>>>> >

>>>> > Welcome to the club! I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 since beta

>>>> > days, multi-booting many different combinations until Vista RTM.

>>>> > Since

>>>> > December 2006, though, I've seldom booted anything else, except for

>>>> > just

>>>> > updating the other OSes in case I might need them someday. (I've

>>>> > been

>>>> > booting into Vista Ultimate x86 for the past several days, getting it

>>>> > ready for the automatic Windows Update to SP1. I already have SP1 in

>>>> > x64.)

>>>> >

>>>> >> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail set

>>>> >> up

>>>> >> for

>>>> >> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really

>>>> >> like, and

>>>> >

>>>> > My recommendation is that you take a few days to play with Windows

>>>> > Mail

>>>> > just to see what it's like, then download and install Windows Live

>>>> > Mail.

>>>> > Most of us like WLM much better than WM. In fact, you should also

>>>> > install

>>>> > WLM in WinXP; having it in both operating systems should make the

>>>> > transition easier when you are ready to retire WinXP. As you know,

>>>> > OE

>>>> > will not run in Vista, WM will not run in WinXP, but WLM will run in

>>>> > both

>>>> > WinXP and Vista. And it will run side-by-side with OE or WM; in

>>>> > either

>>>> > case, it will maintain its Message Store separately from OE's Store

>>>> > Folder

>>>> > and WM's own Message Store. (As you also know, we can't easily delete

>>>> > either OE or WM, but we can simply ignore them.) By default, WLM

>>>> > will

>>>> > "Leave messages on the server..." for a while so that you can keep

>>>> > both

>>>> > Stores complete until you decide which one to use permanently. My

>>>> > guess

>>>> > is that it will take you less than a week to decide that WLM - not

>>>> > WM - is

>>>> > the way to go for the future.

>>>> >

>>>> > It takes a week or so for Vista to optimize itself for the way YOU

>>>> > work.

>>>> > It has to build its Search index and do some other background

>>>> > customization, such as SuperFetch. And you will resent the continual

>>>> > intrusion and nagging by User Access Control while you are installing

>>>> > all

>>>> > your applications and perhaps some drivers. But after the first

>>>> > week, you

>>>> > should see significantly less of such annoyances.

>>>> >

>>>> > Enjoy!

>>>> >

>>>> > RC

>>

March 2, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

In message <eLJRd0yeIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> "Don"

<d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:

>At this point, I can certainly understand that. I am finding myself booting

>more into Vista 64 now, only time I boot into XP is when I need to update my

>Quicken files and things of that nature.

>I will slowly be migrating more and more over to Vista 64. I could see this

>becoming my main and only OS before too much time passes...

Grab a copy of Virtual PC and you can run Quicken and other brokenware

under Vista without much pain at all.

March 3, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

Hi, Don.

> more into Vista 64 now, only time I boot into XP is when I need to update

> my Quicken files

Quicken 2008 Deluxe runs just fine in my Vista Ultimate x64. And during the

long Vista beta, I installed and ran Quicken 2005, 2006 and 2007 in each

successive build of Vista, both x86 and x64. There were a few minor

compatibility problems early, but they were ironed out long before Vista

went RTM. For most of the beta period, I was dual-booting between Vista and

both Pro and x64 versions of WinXP.

In fact, by following my decade-or-longer practice of installing Quicken

into its own E:\QuickenW folder (rather than in C;\Program Files\Quicken), I

could always access Quicken and its data files from both operating systems.

I could enter checks in WinXP in the morning and then reconcile that bank

account in Vista in the afternoon. The trick was to simply install Quicken

into E:\QuickenW (the "W" is a holdover from when first offered the program

for Windows, in addition to MS-DOS) while running WinXP. And then to boot

into Vista and install it again into the same E:\QuickenW. Each OS made

entries into its own Registry but used the same E:\QuickenW\qw.exe and other

application files. There were minor hassles, such as having to register

twice with Intuit, but no serious impediments.

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Don" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message

news:eLJRd0yeIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> At this point, I can certainly understand that. I am finding myself

> booting more into Vista 64 now, only time I boot into XP is when I need to

> update my Quicken files and things of that nature.

> I will slowly be migrating more and more over to Vista 64. I could see

> this becoming my main and only OS before too much time passes...

>

> --

> Don

> "KevinD" <kjdinoc@msn.com> wrote in message

> news:DD0D0EAB-9B0D-41FB-A550-7D0EBEBF25DD@microsoft.com...

>> Another rare voice of Sanity. I love my Vista 64. I would never go back

>> to XP.

>>

>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

>> news:B330799C-3120-4F1C-9481-10F6D7D9D48C@microsoft.com...

>>> Hi, Therese.

>>>

>>> Well, they don't really "run side by side". Both OSes are installed on

>>> the hard disk, but in separate volumes. And they NEVER both run at the

>>> same time. To switch from Vista to XP, you have to reboot the computer;

>>> Vista is completely forgotten before XP ever gets loaded. The same

>>> thing happens with two installations of Vista Ultimate XP or 2 copies of

>>> WinXP Home. Only one OS at a time will be using any RAM at all, so they

>>> will never be sharing it. (Unless you use a virtual machine, as Colin

>>> said.)

>>>

>>> RC

>>>

>>> "therese1225" <therese1225@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:BEA5B184-A427-4303-B764-C685652D14E0@microsoft.com...

>>>> Since the both of you are experienced in running side by side OS, can

>>>> you

>>>> tell me if I could run 64-bit Vista HP with 4GB of ram and still run

>>>> HomeXP

>>>> or XP pro with that amount of ram. I realize all the memory won't be

>>>> recognised by XP but will there be a problem with the ram? Thank you.

>>>>

>>>> "Don" wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Many thanks for the excellent information R.C.,

>>>>>

>>>>> I had just this morning posted to the Vista mail group, inquiring on

>>>>> Windows

>>>>> Live Mail, and now I think you have pretty much answered that for me.

>>>>> I have to go out of town today until Thursday night, will give it a

>>>>> shot

>>>>> upon my return. Good to know I can run that one in both XP and Vista

>>>>> as

>>>>> well.

>>>>> When I purchased Vista, my intent was to just use it to play around

>>>>> for some

>>>>> time, maintaining XP Pro for some time as my primary OS, that may

>>>>> change

>>>>> sooner than I thought.

>>>>>

>>>>> It is so good, to finally have a 64 bit OS, my 4gb of ram recognized,

>>>>> and

>>>>> with drivers available that I need, I think I am going to enjoy this

>>>>> very

>>>>> much.

>>>>>

>>>>> Again, thanks for the info.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Don

>>>>>

>>>>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:8F5B046A-F354-4A32-BD2C-33C7CDE3FFA4@microsoft.com...

>>>>> > Hi, Don.

>>>>> >

>>>>> > Welcome to the club! I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 since

>>>>> > beta

>>>>> > days, multi-booting many different combinations until Vista RTM.

>>>>> > Since

>>>>> > December 2006, though, I've seldom booted anything else, except for

>>>>> > just

>>>>> > updating the other OSes in case I might need them someday. (I've

>>>>> > been

>>>>> > booting into Vista Ultimate x86 for the past several days, getting

>>>>> > it

>>>>> > ready for the automatic Windows Update to SP1. I already have SP1

>>>>> > in

>>>>> > x64.)

>>>>> >

>>>>> >> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail

>>>>> >> set up

>>>>> >> for

>>>>> >> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really

>>>>> >> like, and

>>>>> >

>>>>> > My recommendation is that you take a few days to play with Windows

>>>>> > Mail

>>>>> > just to see what it's like, then download and install Windows Live

>>>>> > Mail.

>>>>> > Most of us like WLM much better than WM. In fact, you should also

>>>>> > install

>>>>> > WLM in WinXP; having it in both operating systems should make the

>>>>> > transition easier when you are ready to retire WinXP. As you know,

>>>>> > OE

>>>>> > will not run in Vista, WM will not run in WinXP, but WLM will run in

>>>>> > both

>>>>> > WinXP and Vista. And it will run side-by-side with OE or WM; in

>>>>> > either

>>>>> > case, it will maintain its Message Store separately from OE's Store

>>>>> > Folder

>>>>> > and WM's own Message Store. (As you also know, we can't easily

>>>>> > delete

>>>>> > either OE or WM, but we can simply ignore them.) By default, WLM

>>>>> > will

>>>>> > "Leave messages on the server..." for a while so that you can keep

>>>>> > both

>>>>> > Stores complete until you decide which one to use permanently. My

>>>>> > guess

>>>>> > is that it will take you less than a week to decide that WLM - not

>>>>> > WM - is

>>>>> > the way to go for the future.

>>>>> >

>>>>> > It takes a week or so for Vista to optimize itself for the way YOU

>>>>> > work.

>>>>> > It has to build its Search index and do some other background

>>>>> > customization, such as SuperFetch. And you will resent the

>>>>> > continual

>>>>> > intrusion and nagging by User Access Control while you are

>>>>> > installing all

>>>>> > your applications and perhaps some drivers. But after the first

>>>>> > week, you

>>>>> > should see significantly less of such annoyances.

>>>>> >

>>>>> > Enjoy!

>>>>> >

>>>>> > RC

March 3, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

Thanks R.C.,

You must have been reading my mind.

My next step was to try and install Quicken, into Vista, and see if I could

get it to run from there, sharing the same data file as I use for my XP Pro

install of Quicken. I am going out of town in the am for work, was going to

give this a go on my return on Friday.

I too, have my Quicken 2008 Deluxe, set up into it's own seperate partition

from my XP install, it resides on my F partition , so I should be good there

sounds like.

The hard drive my Vista Ultimate resides on, I have it set to two

partitions, one for the Vista OS, the other for apps and data. I had

originally planned, to install Quicken 2008 into the Vista data partition,

and then try to open the existing quicken data file I use in XP, from there.

But, it sounds like from what your saying, I probably should just install

Quicken directly into where it is installed now from the XP install, I guess

that would be better?

I also download my financial institution data directly from my bank's

website, I should be ok with this as well?

Many thanks for the info, came at a good time! I will advise how I make out

with it when I do get back and get a chance to install it.

Oh, and btw, I did install Windows Live Mail , and have been playing around

with it for email and newsgroups. Can't decide which I like better between

it and Windows Mail, right now at first glance I am leaning toward Windows

Mail with it's simpler interface, and I like the calendar feature on it as

well, but will continue to alternate between both for the short term before

deciding to stick with one or the other, I may like WLM better as I use it

more and time goes on.

Thanks again,

--

Don

"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

news:C53FFE81-ECC0-430C-9FDE-1083B7DB7564@microsoft.com...

> Hi, Don.

>

>> more into Vista 64 now, only time I boot into XP is when I need to update

>> my Quicken files

>

> Quicken 2008 Deluxe runs just fine in my Vista Ultimate x64. And during

> the long Vista beta, I installed and ran Quicken 2005, 2006 and 2007 in

> each successive build of Vista, both x86 and x64. There were a few minor

> compatibility problems early, but they were ironed out long before Vista

> went RTM. For most of the beta period, I was dual-booting between Vista

> and both Pro and x64 versions of WinXP.

>

> In fact, by following my decade-or-longer practice of installing Quicken

> into its own E:\QuickenW folder (rather than in C;\Program Files\Quicken),

> I could always access Quicken and its data files from both operating

> systems. I could enter checks in WinXP in the morning and then reconcile

> that bank account in Vista in the afternoon. The trick was to simply

> install Quicken into E:\QuickenW (the "W" is a holdover from when first

> offered the program for Windows, in addition to MS-DOS) while running

> WinXP. And then to boot into Vista and install it again into the same

> E:\QuickenW. Each OS made entries into its own Registry but used the same

> E:\QuickenW\qw.exe and other application files. There were minor hassles,

> such as having to register twice with Intuit, but no serious impediments.

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "Don" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:eLJRd0yeIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> At this point, I can certainly understand that. I am finding myself

>> booting more into Vista 64 now, only time I boot into XP is when I need

>> to update my Quicken files and things of that nature.

>> I will slowly be migrating more and more over to Vista 64. I could see

>> this becoming my main and only OS before too much time passes...

>>

>> --

>> Don

>> "KevinD" <kjdinoc@msn.com> wrote in message

>> news:DD0D0EAB-9B0D-41FB-A550-7D0EBEBF25DD@microsoft.com...

>>> Another rare voice of Sanity. I love my Vista 64. I would never go

>>> back to XP.

>>>

>>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

>>> news:B330799C-3120-4F1C-9481-10F6D7D9D48C@microsoft.com...

>>>> Hi, Therese.

>>>>

>>>> Well, they don't really "run side by side". Both OSes are installed on

>>>> the hard disk, but in separate volumes. And they NEVER both run at the

>>>> same time. To switch from Vista to XP, you have to reboot the

>>>> computer; Vista is completely forgotten before XP ever gets loaded.

>>>> The same thing happens with two installations of Vista Ultimate XP or 2

>>>> copies of WinXP Home. Only one OS at a time will be using any RAM at

>>>> all, so they will never be sharing it. (Unless you use a virtual

>>>> machine, as Colin said.)

>>>>

>>>> RC

>>>>

>>>> "therese1225" <therese1225@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:BEA5B184-A427-4303-B764-C685652D14E0@microsoft.com...

>>>>> Since the both of you are experienced in running side by side OS, can

>>>>> you

>>>>> tell me if I could run 64-bit Vista HP with 4GB of ram and still run

>>>>> HomeXP

>>>>> or XP pro with that amount of ram. I realize all the memory won't be

>>>>> recognised by XP but will there be a problem with the ram? Thank you.

>>>>>

>>>>> "Don" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Many thanks for the excellent information R.C.,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I had just this morning posted to the Vista mail group, inquiring on

>>>>>> Windows

>>>>>> Live Mail, and now I think you have pretty much answered that for me.

>>>>>> I have to go out of town today until Thursday night, will give it a

>>>>>> shot

>>>>>> upon my return. Good to know I can run that one in both XP and Vista

>>>>>> as

>>>>>> well.

>>>>>> When I purchased Vista, my intent was to just use it to play around

>>>>>> for some

>>>>>> time, maintaining XP Pro for some time as my primary OS, that may

>>>>>> change

>>>>>> sooner than I thought.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It is so good, to finally have a 64 bit OS, my 4gb of ram recognized,

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> with drivers available that I need, I think I am going to enjoy this

>>>>>> very

>>>>>> much.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Again, thanks for the info.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Don

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

>>>>>> news:8F5B046A-F354-4A32-BD2C-33C7CDE3FFA4@microsoft.com...

>>>>>> > Hi, Don.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Welcome to the club! I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 since

>>>>>> > beta

>>>>>> > days, multi-booting many different combinations until Vista RTM.

>>>>>> > Since

>>>>>> > December 2006, though, I've seldom booted anything else, except for

>>>>>> > just

>>>>>> > updating the other OSes in case I might need them someday. (I've

>>>>>> > been

>>>>>> > booting into Vista Ultimate x86 for the past several days, getting

>>>>>> > it

>>>>>> > ready for the automatic Windows Update to SP1. I already have SP1

>>>>>> > in

>>>>>> > x64.)

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> >> Since then, I have spent some time with it, getting windows mail

>>>>>> >> set up

>>>>>> >> for

>>>>>> >> my newsgroups and email, getting a game installed that I really

>>>>>> >> like, and

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > My recommendation is that you take a few days to play with Windows

>>>>>> > Mail

>>>>>> > just to see what it's like, then download and install Windows Live

>>>>>> > Mail.

>>>>>> > Most of us like WLM much better than WM. In fact, you should also

>>>>>> > install

>>>>>> > WLM in WinXP; having it in both operating systems should make the

>>>>>> > transition easier when you are ready to retire WinXP. As you know,

>>>>>> > OE

>>>>>> > will not run in Vista, WM will not run in WinXP, but WLM will run

>>>>>> > in both

>>>>>> > WinXP and Vista. And it will run side-by-side with OE or WM; in

>>>>>> > either

>>>>>> > case, it will maintain its Message Store separately from OE's Store

>>>>>> > Folder

>>>>>> > and WM's own Message Store. (As you also know, we can't easily

>>>>>> > delete

>>>>>> > either OE or WM, but we can simply ignore them.) By default, WLM

>>>>>> > will

>>>>>> > "Leave messages on the server..." for a while so that you can keep

>>>>>> > both

>>>>>> > Stores complete until you decide which one to use permanently. My

>>>>>> > guess

>>>>>> > is that it will take you less than a week to decide that WLM - not

>>>>>> > WM - is

>>>>>> > the way to go for the future.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > It takes a week or so for Vista to optimize itself for the way YOU

>>>>>> > work.

>>>>>> > It has to build its Search index and do some other background

>>>>>> > customization, such as SuperFetch. And you will resent the

>>>>>> > continual

>>>>>> > intrusion and nagging by User Access Control while you are

>>>>>> > installing all

>>>>>> > your applications and perhaps some drivers. But after the first

>>>>>> > week, you

>>>>>> > should see significantly less of such annoyances.

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > Enjoy!

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> > RC

>

March 3, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

Hi, Don.

One caveat I might not have made clear about sharing Quicken and other apps

between x86 and x64 - either WinXP or Vista or mixed - is to keep the apps

out of \Program Files. The x64 OS will think that only 64-bit apps are in

that folder and that all x86 apps are in \Program Files (x86). So put

Quicken into its own folder outside the PF umbrella altogether. Then it can

be found and used by OSes of both bit-level platforms. The

conflict/confusion is not between WinXP and Vista, but between 32-bit and

64-bit operating systems.

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Don" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message

news:uq2X#kNfIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Thanks R.C.,

>

> You must have been reading my mind.

> My next step was to try and install Quicken, into Vista, and see if I

> could get it to run from there, sharing the same data file as I use for my

> XP Pro install of Quicken. I am going out of town in the am for work, was

> going to give this a go on my return on Friday.

>

> I too, have my Quicken 2008 Deluxe, set up into it's own seperate

> partition from my XP install, it resides on my F partition , so I should

> be good there sounds like.

>

> The hard drive my Vista Ultimate resides on, I have it set to two

> partitions, one for the Vista OS, the other for apps and data. I had

> originally planned, to install Quicken 2008 into the Vista data partition,

> and then try to open the existing quicken data file I use in XP, from

> there. But, it sounds like from what your saying, I probably should just

> install Quicken directly into where it is installed now from the XP

> install, I guess that would be better?

>

> I also download my financial institution data directly from my bank's

> website, I should be ok with this as well?

>

> Many thanks for the info, came at a good time! I will advise how I make

> out with it when I do get back and get a chance to install it.

>

> Oh, and btw, I did install Windows Live Mail , and have been playing

> around with it for email and newsgroups. Can't decide which I like better

> between it and Windows Mail, right now at first glance I am leaning toward

> Windows Mail with it's simpler interface, and I like the calendar feature

> on it as well, but will continue to alternate between both for the short

> term before deciding to stick with one or the other, I may like WLM better

> as I use it more and time goes on.

>

> Thanks again,

>

> --

> Don

>

> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

> news:C53FFE81-ECC0-430C-9FDE-1083B7DB7564@microsoft.com...

>> Hi, Don.

>>

>>> more into Vista 64 now, only time I boot into XP is when I need to

>>> update my Quicken files

>>

>> Quicken 2008 Deluxe runs just fine in my Vista Ultimate x64. And during

>> the long Vista beta, I installed and ran Quicken 2005, 2006 and 2007 in

>> each successive build of Vista, both x86 and x64. There were a few minor

>> compatibility problems early, but they were ironed out long before Vista

>> went RTM. For most of the beta period, I was dual-booting between Vista

>> and both Pro and x64 versions of WinXP.

>>

>> In fact, by following my decade-or-longer practice of installing Quicken

>> into its own E:\QuickenW folder (rather than in C;\Program

>> Files\Quicken), I could always access Quicken and its data files from

>> both operating systems. I could enter checks in WinXP in the morning and

>> then reconcile that bank account in Vista in the afternoon. The trick

>> was to simply install Quicken into E:\QuickenW (the "W" is a holdover

>> from when first offered the program for Windows, in addition to MS-DOS)

>> while running WinXP. And then to boot into Vista and install it again

>> into the same E:\QuickenW. Each OS made entries into its own Registry

>> but used the same E:\QuickenW\qw.exe and other application files. There

>> were minor hassles, such as having to register twice with Intuit, but no

>> serious impediments.

>>

>> RC

>>

>> "Don" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message

>> news:eLJRd0yeIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> At this point, I can certainly understand that. I am finding myself

>>> booting more into Vista 64 now, only time I boot into XP is when I need

>>> to update my Quicken files and things of that nature.

>>> I will slowly be migrating more and more over to Vista 64. I could see

>>> this becoming my main and only OS before too much time passes...

>>>

>>> --

>>> Don

March 3, 2008

Re: My first impressions - Vista 64 bit Ultimate

Sounds good, thanks.

--

Don

"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

news:5C497CD6-F8B8-40D9-8983-CCE987BFD69C@microsoft.com...

> Hi, Don.

>

> One caveat I might not have made clear about sharing Quicken and other

> apps between x86 and x64 - either WinXP or Vista or mixed - is to keep the

> apps out of \Program Files. The x64 OS will think that only 64-bit apps

> are in that folder and that all x86 apps are in \Program Files (x86). So

> put Quicken into its own folder outside the PF umbrella altogether. Then

> it can be found and used by OSes of both bit-level platforms. The

> conflict/confusion is not between WinXP and Vista, but between 32-bit and

> 64-bit operating systems.

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "Don" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:uq2X#kNfIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Thanks R.C.,

>>

>> You must have been reading my mind.

>> My next step was to try and install Quicken, into Vista, and see if I

>> could get it to run from there, sharing the same data file as I use for

>> my XP Pro install of Quicken. I am going out of town in the am for work,

>> was going to give this a go on my return on Friday.

>>

>> I too, have my Quicken 2008 Deluxe, set up into it's own seperate

>> partition from my XP install, it resides on my F partition , so I should

>> be good there sounds like.

>>

>> The hard drive my Vista Ultimate resides on, I have it set to two

>> partitions, one for the Vista OS, the other for apps and data. I had

>> originally planned, to install Quicken 2008 into the Vista data

>> partition, and then try to open the existing quicken data file I use in

>> XP, from there. But, it sounds like from what your saying, I probably

>> should just install Quicken directly into where it is installed now from

>> the XP install, I guess that would be better?

>>

>> I also download my financial institution data directly from my bank's

>> website, I should be ok with this as well?

>>

>> Many thanks for the info, came at a good time! I will advise how I make

>> out with it when I do get back and get a chance to install it.

>>

>> Oh, and btw, I did install Windows Live Mail , and have been playing

>> around with it for email and newsgroups. Can't decide which I like better

>> between it and Windows Mail, right now at first glance I am leaning

>> toward Windows Mail with it's simpler interface, and I like the calendar

>> feature on it as well, but will continue to alternate between both for

>> the short term before deciding to stick with one or the other, I may like

>> WLM better as I use it more and time goes on.

>>

>> Thanks again,

>>

>> --

>> Don

>>

>> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message

>> news:C53FFE81-ECC0-430C-9FDE-1083B7DB7564@microsoft.com...

>>> Hi, Don.

>>>

>>>> more into Vista 64 now, only time I boot into XP is when I need to

>>>> update my Quicken files

>>>

>>> Quicken 2008 Deluxe runs just fine in my Vista Ultimate x64. And during

>>> the long Vista beta, I installed and ran Quicken 2005, 2006 and 2007 in

>>> each successive build of Vista, both x86 and x64. There were a few

>>> minor compatibility problems early, but they were ironed out long before

>>> Vista went RTM. For most of the beta period, I was dual-booting between

>>> Vista and both Pro and x64 versions of WinXP.

>>>

>>> In fact, by following my decade-or-longer practice of installing Quicken

>>> into its own E:\QuickenW folder (rather than in C;\Program

>>> Files\Quicken), I could always access Quicken and its data files from

>>> both operating systems. I could enter checks in WinXP in the morning and

>>> then reconcile that bank account in Vista in the afternoon. The trick

>>> was to simply install Quicken into E:\QuickenW (the "W" is a holdover

>>> from when first offered the program for Windows, in addition to MS-DOS)

>>> while running WinXP. And then to boot into Vista and install it again

>>> into the same E:\QuickenW. Each OS made entries into its own Registry

>>> but used the same E:\QuickenW\qw.exe and other application files. There

>>> were minor hassles, such as having to register twice with Intuit, but no

>>> serious impediments.

>>>

>>> RC

>>>

>>> "Don" <d.burnette@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message

>>> news:eLJRd0yeIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> At this point, I can certainly understand that. I am finding myself

>>>> booting more into Vista 64 now, only time I boot into XP is when I need

>>>> to update my Quicken files and things of that nature.

>>>> I will slowly be migrating more and more over to Vista 64. I could see

>>>> this becoming my main and only OS before too much time passes...

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Don

>

March 8, 2008