What an awfull couple of days!

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

Thank you, Dominic - yes, inevitably there is some dust there, and I did

vacuum the thing reasonably clean, but the important thing is that the temps

have been very stable (swinging with stability over seasons and load) ever

since it was new. Nothing extraordinary at all, there is a healthy breeze at

all times inside the box and the temp and voltage monitors are responding

rapidly to load changes, also in the start-up phase. The CPU temp's can flip

within a second, typically from 29* to 43* and stabilize at somewhere around

30*. So, I don't expect faulty sensors and although some hot-spot may go

undetected, the Asus M2N32 seem to have an intelligent cooling installation

crossing from the chipset over to the voltage regulators, and the Zalman CPU

cooler has a large fan that extends over a part of the memory sticks, which

are also encased inside a temperature dispersing mantel.

 

While a good design is no ultimate security against failure to those parts,

and seeing that I have little chance of actually finding the culprit on my

own, I think most evidence points to a failing component!

 

I will phone the people who built it and ask them to let me borrow a

Graphics Card, with a promise to buy it if that solves the matter! Or buy it

and have them refund me if it doesn't, whichever way they prefer!

 

 

Thanks to everyone for showing an interest!

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

 

 

"Dominic Payer" <dominic@dcp.fsv.co.uk> wrote in message

news:802E4D70-81BF-493B-B2F6-DE89FAF658B8@microsoft.com...

> Have you checked the CPU cooler? I have seen several systems where a dust

> mat built up between the fan and the cooler fins and gave similar symptoms

> when the CPU protection sensor just stopped the system. Removing the fan

and

> clearing the mat restored them.

>

>

>

> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> news:O$bZYAzeIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> > It's not that I'm really whining, but I certainly had my share of

> > misfortunes just now! (I probably deserve it) My 64bit system commited

> > suicide and the good old retired Athlon XP 2400+ machine, that I

enlisted

> > as

> > an immidiate reservist, refused to acknowledge that it had a perfectly

> > good

> > HD a short while ago! A new flat-cable sorted that one after quite a bit

> > of

> > rummaging.

> >

> > So, folks: "Here I am - back at the old Win2K, for now". What a

wonderful

> > machine this is - it never ceases to amaze me! I'll be reading over your

> > shoulders for a while now!

> >

> > I can't really figure out what happened with the FX-62 system, though,

> > since

> > I wasn't in the room when it shut down. When I restart, it may run for a

> > couple of minutes, or 20 perhaps, and one time it shut down shortly

after

> > I

> > entered the BIOS Setup. It's not hot at all, this is the 'Coolest'

system

> > I've ever had (in every respect). It inhabits a Antec box with a

Seasonic

> > PSU and a handfull of fans. I did manage to see the readout a few

times -

> > CPU 29*, MB 33*, and GPU 43* (threshold at 126*!) I spent a whole day in

> > there and the only suspect I can come up with is the Seasonic - I hope

it

> > is, because I think I can remember it came with a five year warranty.

> >

> > Avast has not made a sound or anything. The last thing I did was on the

> > twin

> > XP Home system where I had mistakenly installed the Asus Tool 'AI-Nap'

> > when

> > I rebuild that system a short while ago, I had removed that two or three

> > days earlier because it slowed down that system quite severely. Removing

> > it

> > was a bit of an ordeal since parts of it kept popping up, but a few days

> > before that had stopped completely.

> >

> > But this has taken me so long that I'm effectively stuck with the carcas

> > over the week-end. If anybody have any idea what else I can put under

the

> > looking glass until then - let's hear it, please!

> >

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> > (sigh!)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest Carlos]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

In the beginning God created the 8-bit ISA connector.

Then we had the 16-bit ISA connector.

Before PCI would make its arrival we had a VLB (VESA Local Bus) that added a

32-bit extension to the 16-bit ISA.

There were graphic cards that supported that standard back then.

PCI came later.

Now here is a good one.

Remember the original 4.77 MHz clock of the PC and the presence of a 14.316

crystal clock in every single motherboard (is it still there nowadays)?

Well, 14.316 divided into 3 yields 4.77 which is no surprise.

But divide also 14.316 into 4 and you get 3.579.

Ring any bell?

Not for an european, of course, but for (north) americans it meant the

colour subcarrier frequency of NTSC (3.579545 MHz)

First PC's were meant to be connected to regular TV sets via its video

output in the CGA board (I did it!), and the standard of that video was the

old 30 Hz NTSC signal.

End of the history lesson.

Carlos

 

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> No, ISA was the old standard bus (more or less) and it wasn't EISA - what I

> was thinking of, was the competing DirectBus scheme that preceded PCI for a

> short while. I bought that because I thought it was perfect for the DX50

> (with symetrical bus width and speed all through the system (more or less).

> But, alas, I didn't new that DX was scheduled to die. And how soon. Amazing

> that I've forgotten the name.

>

> PCI didn't shine at all back then, that was an Intel design and it did

> allright with the proliferation of all the SX processors - it was just that

> I couldn't see that the SX design was to be the survivor in this

> competition. Today it seems much more natural because the SX/DX specifics

> were all hidden away and burried with the newer CPU designs, and PCI handled

> that much better and in a much more elegant way.

>

> And your Diamond, could not have been what I had either. Mine was definitely

> standard VGA, but it had more memory than all the competition, (nVidia

> didn't exist at all, did they?) and Diamond were extremely early in

> publishing drivers (although extremely buggy), but the card was fantastic.

> And expensive! I could probably buy three very good office machines today

> for what I payed just for that card and (what?) 128MB RAM, I believe!

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> news:874FC6B8-11AB-4404-9F2F-8E360FE33D96@microsoft.com...

> > Your Diamond is nothing on my #9. And not just any old #9, but one that

> had

> > 128 Mb of VRAM, and only worked with the SGI 1600SW flat screen. They came

> > as a pair, and cost ~$2500 as I recall. Had a really _nice_ royalty check

> > one quarter and both of us got new SGI 1600SW monitors. Heck, I still use

> > that 1600 many years later. Along with a 21" Samsung. But had to buy a

> > converter to connect it to a DVI output since that particular digital

> format

> > never caught on.

> >

> > (The buss you're referring to is ISA, I suspect.)

> >

> > --

> > Charlie.

> > http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >

> >

> > "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> > news:utNSkmAfIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > > Come to think of it, Charlie I should have one - it is so long ago now

> > > that

> > > I can hardly remember, but the last one must have been that amazingly

> > > expensive Diamond card I had in my good old DX50. Looking for something

> I

> > > actually found the old Yamaha Sound Card that came with that same

> machine,

> > > and I still have the box (hmm, could it be still sitting in there?) But

> > > hey! That wasn't even PCI was it? That was that otherly Bus standard,

> that

> > > nobody remembers any more. Except you, I'll bet. Well, I must have a

> look

> > > in

> > > the morning. I can hardly have used it anywhere else. Gawd, I almost

> hope

> > > it

> > > is the video, it's a very capable 7950 GTX, and it gives me all the

> > > performance I could wish for, but there isn't much future in it any

> more,

> > > now the DirectX10's are out and about.

> > >

> > > The last inclination I had about the issue was that it only shut down

> when

> > > I

> > > left the room! My interest faded somewhat and I'll have to continue in

> the

> > > morning. Thanks Charlie, this post of yours may have ingested a bit of

> new

> > > hope just the same. It's almost a shame that I don't have the Diamond

> > > driver

> > > any more, that is, IF it had been PCI. It would be interesting to see

> > > Windows start up with that old steamer now.

> > >

> > >

> > > Tony. . .

> > >

> > >

> > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in

> message

> > > news:626848EF-C874-4BF1-9DCB-ECCEA56313AB@microsoft.com...

> > >> Always useful to keep an old PCI one around, just in case. ;)

> > >>

> > >> Most of my machines are still AGP, with only a couple being PCI-e at

> this

> > >> point. That will change with the next round, but that's a while still.

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >> Charlie.

> > >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> > >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> > >> news:e6rFJD5eIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > >> >I do have almost any number of old graphics cards laying about, but

> > >> > unfortunately they are all AGP. And there is no on-board video. I had

> > > two

> > >> > cards in there that actually didn't do much good at all and I pulled

> > > away

> > >> > those right away when this started - one was a cheap sound card that

> I

> > >> > only

> > >> > used for it's game connector, and the other a TV-tuner card that I

> did

> > >> > suspect because of it's internal shut-down circuitry - I thought that

> > > was

> > >> > one item that was nice to eliminate right away.

> > >> >

> > >> > Next, I have one DVD drive that constantly burns it's activity LED

> when

> > > a

> > >> > disk is inserted, it allways did that and I wanted to get rid of it,

> > >> > and

> > >> > here's the opportunity.

> > >> >

> > >> > And I'll reset the BIOS, of course. I have in fact been overclocking

> by

> > > 5%

> > >> > from the start and I don't need that at all. I just thought that with

> > > the

> > >> > temps I was having, I might as well let it work a bit harder (sic!) I

> > >> > didn't

> > >> > mean to keep it that way, but then I forgot. Then I may disconnect

> the

> > >> > HD's

> > >> > and the fans and boot the Windows Memory-test boot CD that I made and

> > > see

> > >> > how long it can keep running doing that. That's as much as I can do,

> > >> > I'm

> > >> > afraid - I can swap the DVD's and the IDE cables but I'll need one

> > >> > attached

> > >> > to boot the thing, obviously.

> > >> >

> > >> > Well, my day is scheduled and we shall see if there is anything to

> > > report?

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Thanks, everyone!

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Tony. . .

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in

> > > message

> > >> > news:A414FA50-73FD-4EE2-BC5B-D66FE2CFD75E@microsoft.com...

> > >> >> PSU, or equally likely, a failing "something" that is shorting to

> > > ground.

> > >> >> That could be any of your cards, or even a bad capacitor. So pull

> > >> > everything

> > >> >> you can and if you have the ability to plug an old, but known good,

> > > video

> > >> >> into it (or it has an onboard), that would be good.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> --

> > >> >> Charlie.

> > >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> > >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> > >> >> news:eIbo1tzeIHA.5348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > >> >> > This is good thinking, Carlos!

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> > Tomorrow, I'll rip it of expendable devices and dig out that old

> > >> >> > UTBCD -

> > >> >> > (UltimateBootCD!) The biggest trouble is that I am not able to

> keep

> > >> >> > (it)

> > >> >> > up

> > >> >> > for any lenght of time that I can learn what might be happening,

> > > which

> > >> >> > suggests the PSU, I think?

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> > Memory would likely throw crashes and BSOD's but I didn't have a

> > > single

> > >> >> > one

> > >> >> > of those - the machine just turns itself off in complete silence.

> I

> > > am

> > >> >> > thinking of naming it 'Marvin' (Marvin - the Paranoid Android,

> being

> > >> >> > one

> > >> >> > of

> > >> >> > my heroe's!) in an effort to actually accept the behavior.

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> > Tony. . .

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> > "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > >> >> > news:D6F25A11-1478-4ADB-83FF-EF54E2DC688D@microsoft.com...

> > >> >> >> Tony,

> > >> >> >> Sorry to hear that.

> > >> >> >> PC downtime is worst than a car downtime.

> > >> >> >> For what you describe it is not OS related.

> > >> >> >> First suspect is the PSU but...

> > >> >> >> Remove as much hardware as you can, even the HD's.

> > >> >> >> Get yourself a good old DOS floppy (your Win2k rig can do that,

> > >> >> >> uh?)

> > >> > and

> > >> >> >> a

> > >> >> >> copy of memtest86.

> > >> >> >> Boot your "un-hardwared" PC into DOS and leave it there for a

> > >> >> >> couple

> > >> >> >> of

> > >> >> > hours.

> > >> >> >> Then run memtest.

> > >> >> >> Best of luck.

> > >> >> >> Carlos

> > >> >> >> PS: you might also wanna try some prayings (any religion will do)

> > >> >> >>

> > >> >> >> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> > >> >> >>

> > >> >> >> > It's not that I'm really whining, but I certainly had my share

> of

> > >> >> >> > misfortunes just now! (I probably deserve it) My 64bit system

> > >> > commited

> > >> >> >> > suicide and the good old retired Athlon XP 2400+ machine, that

> I

> > >> >> > enlisted as

> > >> >> >> > an immidiate reservist, refused to acknowledge that it had a

> > >> > perfectly

> > >> >> > good

> > >> >> >> > HD a short while ago! A new flat-cable sorted that one after

> > >> >> >> > quite

> > > a

> > >> >> >> > bit

> > >> >> > of

> > >> >> >> > rummaging.

> > >> >> >> >

> > >> >> >> > So, folks: "Here I am - back at the old Win2K, for now". What a

> > >> >> > wonderful

> > >> >> >> > machine this is - it never ceases to amaze me! I'll be reading

> > > over

> > >> >> >> > your

> > >> >> >> > shoulders for a while now!

> > >> >> >> >

> > >> >> >> > I can't really figure out what happened with the FX-62 system,

> > >> > though,

> > >> >> > since

> > >> >> >> > I wasn't in the room when it shut down. When I restart, it may

> > >> >> >> > run

> > >> > for

> > >> >> >> > a

> > >> >> >> > couple of minutes, or 20 perhaps, and one time it shut down

> > > shortly

> > >> >> > after I

> > >> >> >> > entered the BIOS Setup. It's not hot at all, this is the

> > >> >> >> > 'Coolest'

> > >> >> > system

> > >> >> >> > I've ever had (in every respect). It inhabits a Antec box with

> a

> > >> >> > Seasonic

> > >> >> >> > PSU and a handfull of fans. I did manage to see the readout a

> few

> > >> >> > times -

> > >> >> >> > CPU 29*, MB 33*, and GPU 43* (threshold at 126*!) I spent a

> whole

> > >> >> >> > day

> > >> >> >> > in

> > >> >> >> > there and the only suspect I can come up with is the Seasonic -

> I

> > >> > hope

> > >> >> > it

> > >> >> >> > is, because I think I can remember it came with a five year

> > >> >> >> > warranty.

> > >> >> >> >

> > >> >> >> > Avast has not made a sound or anything. The last thing I did

> was

> > > on

> > >> > the

> > >> >> > twin

> > >> >> >> > XP Home system where I had mistakenly installed the Asus Tool

> > >> > 'AI-Nap'

> > >> >> > when

> > >> >> >> > I rebuild that system a short while ago, I had removed that two

> > >> >> >> > or

> > >> >> >> > three

> > >> >> >> > days earlier because it slowed down that system quite severely.

> > >> >> >> > Removing

> > >> >> > it

> > >> >> >> > was a bit of an ordeal since parts of it kept popping up, but a

> > > few

> > >> >> >> > days

> > >> >> >> > before that had stopped completely.

> > >> >> >> >

> > >> >> >> > But this has taken me so long that I'm effectively stuck with

> the

> > >> >> >> > carcas

> > >> >> >> > over the week-end. If anybody have any idea what else I can put

[Guest Carlos]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

Tony,

You are not alone in these issues.

I did several upgrades to my PC in the last days.

2GB -> 4GB RAM

5200+ -> 6000+ processor

8800GTS -> 8800GTX video card

My kids love the new rig and run their games at full speed.

Where's the catch?

Power supply wattage seems now to be insufficient.

550 watts cannot hold Crysis gaming and after a few minutes the PC shuts

down instantly (no blue screens).

Touching the PSU reveals it is really hot.

I have to let it coold down in order to be able to power up the PC again.

I noticed that yesterday but no computer shop had a bigger wattage PSU down

here.

It is the end of the world, after all.

I placed an order for an 680 watt PSU which is coming by truck from Buenos

Aires and is supposed to arrive on Tuesday on Wednesday.

So, for the moment, no FSX or Crysis.

Just lightweight web browsing and mail reading.

:)

Carlos

 

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> Thank you, Dominic - yes, inevitably there is some dust there, and I did

> vacuum the thing reasonably clean, but the important thing is that the temps

> have been very stable (swinging with stability over seasons and load) ever

> since it was new. Nothing extraordinary at all, there is a healthy breeze at

> all times inside the box and the temp and voltage monitors are responding

> rapidly to load changes, also in the start-up phase. The CPU temp's can flip

> within a second, typically from 29* to 43* and stabilize at somewhere around

> 30*. So, I don't expect faulty sensors and although some hot-spot may go

> undetected, the Asus M2N32 seem to have an intelligent cooling installation

> crossing from the chipset over to the voltage regulators, and the Zalman CPU

> cooler has a large fan that extends over a part of the memory sticks, which

> are also encased inside a temperature dispersing mantel.

>

> While a good design is no ultimate security against failure to those parts,

> and seeing that I have little chance of actually finding the culprit on my

> own, I think most evidence points to a failing component!

>

> I will phone the people who built it and ask them to let me borrow a

> Graphics Card, with a promise to buy it if that solves the matter! Or buy it

> and have them refund me if it doesn't, whichever way they prefer!

>

>

> Thanks to everyone for showing an interest!

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

>

>

> "Dominic Payer" <dominic@dcp.fsv.co.uk> wrote in message

> news:802E4D70-81BF-493B-B2F6-DE89FAF658B8@microsoft.com...

> > Have you checked the CPU cooler? I have seen several systems where a dust

> > mat built up between the fan and the cooler fins and gave similar symptoms

> > when the CPU protection sensor just stopped the system. Removing the fan

> and

> > clearing the mat restored them.

> >

> >

> >

> > "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> > news:O$bZYAzeIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> > > It's not that I'm really whining, but I certainly had my share of

> > > misfortunes just now! (I probably deserve it) My 64bit system commited

> > > suicide and the good old retired Athlon XP 2400+ machine, that I

> enlisted

> > > as

> > > an immidiate reservist, refused to acknowledge that it had a perfectly

> > > good

> > > HD a short while ago! A new flat-cable sorted that one after quite a bit

> > > of

> > > rummaging.

> > >

> > > So, folks: "Here I am - back at the old Win2K, for now". What a

> wonderful

> > > machine this is - it never ceases to amaze me! I'll be reading over your

> > > shoulders for a while now!

> > >

> > > I can't really figure out what happened with the FX-62 system, though,

> > > since

> > > I wasn't in the room when it shut down. When I restart, it may run for a

> > > couple of minutes, or 20 perhaps, and one time it shut down shortly

> after

> > > I

> > > entered the BIOS Setup. It's not hot at all, this is the 'Coolest'

> system

> > > I've ever had (in every respect). It inhabits a Antec box with a

> Seasonic

> > > PSU and a handfull of fans. I did manage to see the readout a few

> times -

> > > CPU 29*, MB 33*, and GPU 43* (threshold at 126*!) I spent a whole day in

> > > there and the only suspect I can come up with is the Seasonic - I hope

> it

> > > is, because I think I can remember it came with a five year warranty.

> > >

> > > Avast has not made a sound or anything. The last thing I did was on the

> > > twin

> > > XP Home system where I had mistakenly installed the Asus Tool 'AI-Nap'

> > > when

> > > I rebuild that system a short while ago, I had removed that two or three

> > > days earlier because it slowed down that system quite severely. Removing

> > > it

> > > was a bit of an ordeal since parts of it kept popping up, but a few days

> > > before that had stopped completely.

> > >

> > > But this has taken me so long that I'm effectively stuck with the carcas

> > > over the week-end. If anybody have any idea what else I can put under

> the

> > > looking glass until then - let's hear it, please!

> > >

> > >

> > > Tony. . .

> > >

> > > (sigh!)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest John Barnes]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

You are a fount of knowledge, Carlos. Nice to have you back with our family.

:-)

 

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:8CEA4F04-A64D-45B4-AB19-0DD9A2C974E0@microsoft.com...

> Tony,

> You are not alone in these issues.

> I did several upgrades to my PC in the last days.

> 2GB -> 4GB RAM

> 5200+ -> 6000+ processor

> 8800GTS -> 8800GTX video card

> My kids love the new rig and run their games at full speed.

> Where's the catch?

> Power supply wattage seems now to be insufficient.

> 550 watts cannot hold Crysis gaming and after a few minutes the PC shuts

> down instantly (no blue screens).

> Touching the PSU reveals it is really hot.

> I have to let it coold down in order to be able to power up the PC again.

> I noticed that yesterday but no computer shop had a bigger wattage PSU

> down

> here.

> It is the end of the world, after all.

> I placed an order for an 680 watt PSU which is coming by truck from Buenos

> Aires and is supposed to arrive on Tuesday on Wednesday.

> So, for the moment, no FSX or Crysis.

> Just lightweight web browsing and mail reading.

> :)

> Carlos

>

> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

>

>> Thank you, Dominic - yes, inevitably there is some dust there, and I did

>> vacuum the thing reasonably clean, but the important thing is that the

>> temps

>> have been very stable (swinging with stability over seasons and load)

>> ever

>> since it was new. Nothing extraordinary at all, there is a healthy breeze

>> at

>> all times inside the box and the temp and voltage monitors are responding

>> rapidly to load changes, also in the start-up phase. The CPU temp's can

>> flip

>> within a second, typically from 29* to 43* and stabilize at somewhere

>> around

>> 30*. So, I don't expect faulty sensors and although some hot-spot may go

>> undetected, the Asus M2N32 seem to have an intelligent cooling

>> installation

>> crossing from the chipset over to the voltage regulators, and the Zalman

>> CPU

>> cooler has a large fan that extends over a part of the memory sticks,

>> which

>> are also encased inside a temperature dispersing mantel.

>>

>> While a good design is no ultimate security against failure to those

>> parts,

>> and seeing that I have little chance of actually finding the culprit on

>> my

>> own, I think most evidence points to a failing component!

>>

>> I will phone the people who built it and ask them to let me borrow a

>> Graphics Card, with a promise to buy it if that solves the matter! Or buy

>> it

>> and have them refund me if it doesn't, whichever way they prefer!

>>

>>

>> Thanks to everyone for showing an interest!

>>

>>

>> Tony. . .

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> "Dominic Payer" <dominic@dcp.fsv.co.uk> wrote in message

>> news:802E4D70-81BF-493B-B2F6-DE89FAF658B8@microsoft.com...

>> > Have you checked the CPU cooler? I have seen several systems where a

>> > dust

>> > mat built up between the fan and the cooler fins and gave similar

>> > symptoms

>> > when the CPU protection sensor just stopped the system. Removing the

>> > fan

>> and

>> > clearing the mat restored them.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

>> > news:O$bZYAzeIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> > > It's not that I'm really whining, but I certainly had my share of

>> > > misfortunes just now! (I probably deserve it) My 64bit system

>> > > commited

>> > > suicide and the good old retired Athlon XP 2400+ machine, that I

>> enlisted

>> > > as

>> > > an immidiate reservist, refused to acknowledge that it had a

>> > > perfectly

>> > > good

>> > > HD a short while ago! A new flat-cable sorted that one after quite a

>> > > bit

>> > > of

>> > > rummaging.

>> > >

>> > > So, folks: "Here I am - back at the old Win2K, for now". What a

>> wonderful

>> > > machine this is - it never ceases to amaze me! I'll be reading over

>> > > your

>> > > shoulders for a while now!

>> > >

>> > > I can't really figure out what happened with the FX-62 system,

>> > > though,

>> > > since

>> > > I wasn't in the room when it shut down. When I restart, it may run

>> > > for a

>> > > couple of minutes, or 20 perhaps, and one time it shut down shortly

>> after

>> > > I

>> > > entered the BIOS Setup. It's not hot at all, this is the 'Coolest'

>> system

>> > > I've ever had (in every respect). It inhabits a Antec box with a

>> Seasonic

>> > > PSU and a handfull of fans. I did manage to see the readout a few

>> times -

>> > > CPU 29*, MB 33*, and GPU 43* (threshold at 126*!) I spent a whole day

>> > > in

>> > > there and the only suspect I can come up with is the Seasonic - I

>> > > hope

>> it

>> > > is, because I think I can remember it came with a five year warranty.

>> > >

>> > > Avast has not made a sound or anything. The last thing I did was on

>> > > the

>> > > twin

>> > > XP Home system where I had mistakenly installed the Asus Tool

>> > > 'AI-Nap'

>> > > when

>> > > I rebuild that system a short while ago, I had removed that two or

>> > > three

>> > > days earlier because it slowed down that system quite severely.

>> > > Removing

>> > > it

>> > > was a bit of an ordeal since parts of it kept popping up, but a few

>> > > days

>> > > before that had stopped completely.

>> > >

>> > > But this has taken me so long that I'm effectively stuck with the

>> > > carcas

>> > > over the week-end. If anybody have any idea what else I can put under

>> the

>> > > looking glass until then - let's hear it, please!

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Tony. . .

>> > >

>> > > (sigh!)

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>>

>>

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

Great stuff - this is precisely what I was driving at. Vesa LocalBus! I

don't know it for a fact, but the clock crystal has to be the same, I'd

guess. Not much reason to change it, since it can be divided and multiplied

to accommodate any imaginable task.

 

Now, the NTSC thing I didn't know. I should have been able to make the

connection if I had wanted to, as at one time I bought a Honeywell computer

with a monochrome screen (I was about to say Samsung, but that wasn't the

name. . .ah, YES - Tatung I think it was?) this monitor had connectors for

composit video on the back and I always wanted to know what the big idea

was, because nobody in Scandinavia would want to use that, I don't believe.

 

There's the solution! Or, the rub - as Shakespear would've said! Good

lesson, Carlos!

 

 

Tony. . .

[Guest Carlos]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

Thanks, Tony.

My first PC didn't have a monitor.

I would use my home TV hooked up to the video output of the CGA card.

It was only the CGA card the one that had NTSC video output.

I can still remember running Windows 3.1 with that setup!

Later on I bought a VGA Samsung (though there were also Tatungs) monitor.

Carlos

 

"Tony Sperling" wrote:

> Great stuff - this is precisely what I was driving at. Vesa LocalBus! I

> don't know it for a fact, but the clock crystal has to be the same, I'd

> guess. Not much reason to change it, since it can be divided and multiplied

> to accommodate any imaginable task.

>

> Now, the NTSC thing I didn't know. I should have been able to make the

> connection if I had wanted to, as at one time I bought a Honeywell computer

> with a monochrome screen (I was about to say Samsung, but that wasn't the

> name. . .ah, YES - Tatung I think it was?) this monitor had connectors for

> composit video on the back and I always wanted to know what the big idea

> was, because nobody in Scandinavia would want to use that, I don't believe.

>

> There's the solution! Or, the rub - as Shakespear would've said! Good

> lesson, Carlos!

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

>

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

If it's not the 'one' thing, it's the 'other'. Said the Lady having a

nosebleed!

 

 

Tony. . .

[Guest Carlos]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

Charlie,

I've noticed along time that you tend to use "buss" as opposed to the right

term "bus".

Bus derives from the bus bar where passengers would hang with their hands

looking for support in the buses or public transportation.

It was analogous to the ground and +B bars in the old vacuum tube designs

where circuitry connections would "hang" on them.

So, electronics inherited a real life expression (bus bar) to refer to the

"hanging" electrical connections to those ground and +voltage bars.

End of history lesson #2.

:)

Carlos

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> Your Diamond is nothing on my #9. And not just any old #9, but one that had

> 128 Mb of VRAM, and only worked with the SGI 1600SW flat screen. They came

> as a pair, and cost ~$2500 as I recall. Had a really _nice_ royalty check

> one quarter and both of us got new SGI 1600SW monitors. Heck, I still use

> that 1600 many years later. Along with a 21" Samsung. But had to buy a

> converter to connect it to a DVI output since that particular digital format

> never caught on.

>

> (The buss you're referring to is ISA, I suspect.)

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

>

> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> news:utNSkmAfIHA.288@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > Come to think of it, Charlie I should have one - it is so long ago now

> > that

> > I can hardly remember, but the last one must have been that amazingly

> > expensive Diamond card I had in my good old DX50. Looking for something I

> > actually found the old Yamaha Sound Card that came with that same machine,

> > and I still have the box (hmm, could it be still sitting in there?) But

> > hey! That wasn't even PCI was it? That was that otherly Bus standard, that

> > nobody remembers any more. Except you, I'll bet. Well, I must have a look

> > in

> > the morning. I can hardly have used it anywhere else. Gawd, I almost hope

> > it

> > is the video, it's a very capable 7950 GTX, and it gives me all the

> > performance I could wish for, but there isn't much future in it any more,

> > now the DirectX10's are out and about.

> >

> > The last inclination I had about the issue was that it only shut down when

> > I

> > left the room! My interest faded somewhat and I'll have to continue in the

> > morning. Thanks Charlie, this post of yours may have ingested a bit of new

> > hope just the same. It's almost a shame that I don't have the Diamond

> > driver

> > any more, that is, IF it had been PCI. It would be interesting to see

> > Windows start up with that old steamer now.

> >

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> >

> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> > news:626848EF-C874-4BF1-9DCB-ECCEA56313AB@microsoft.com...

> >> Always useful to keep an old PCI one around, just in case. ;)

> >>

> >> Most of my machines are still AGP, with only a couple being PCI-e at this

> >> point. That will change with the next round, but that's a while still.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Charlie.

> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >>

> >>

> >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> >> news:e6rFJD5eIHA.5620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> >> >I do have almost any number of old graphics cards laying about, but

> >> > unfortunately they are all AGP. And there is no on-board video. I had

> > two

> >> > cards in there that actually didn't do much good at all and I pulled

> > away

> >> > those right away when this started - one was a cheap sound card that I

> >> > only

> >> > used for it's game connector, and the other a TV-tuner card that I did

> >> > suspect because of it's internal shut-down circuitry - I thought that

> > was

> >> > one item that was nice to eliminate right away.

> >> >

> >> > Next, I have one DVD drive that constantly burns it's activity LED when

> > a

> >> > disk is inserted, it allways did that and I wanted to get rid of it,

> >> > and

> >> > here's the opportunity.

> >> >

> >> > And I'll reset the BIOS, of course. I have in fact been overclocking by

> > 5%

> >> > from the start and I don't need that at all. I just thought that with

> > the

> >> > temps I was having, I might as well let it work a bit harder (sic!) I

> >> > didn't

> >> > mean to keep it that way, but then I forgot. Then I may disconnect the

> >> > HD's

> >> > and the fans and boot the Windows Memory-test boot CD that I made and

> > see

> >> > how long it can keep running doing that. That's as much as I can do,

> >> > I'm

> >> > afraid - I can swap the DVD's and the IDE cables but I'll need one

> >> > attached

> >> > to boot the thing, obviously.

> >> >

> >> > Well, my day is scheduled and we shall see if there is anything to

> > report?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Thanks, everyone!

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Tony. . .

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in

> > message

> >> > news:A414FA50-73FD-4EE2-BC5B-D66FE2CFD75E@microsoft.com...

> >> >> PSU, or equally likely, a failing "something" that is shorting to

> > ground.

> >> >> That could be any of your cards, or even a bad capacitor. So pull

> >> > everything

> >> >> you can and if you have the ability to plug an old, but known good,

> > video

> >> >> into it (or it has an onboard), that would be good.

> >> >>

> >> >> --

> >> >> Charlie.

> >> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> >> >> news:eIbo1tzeIHA.5348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> >> >> > This is good thinking, Carlos!

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Tomorrow, I'll rip it of expendable devices and dig out that old

> >> >> > UTBCD -

> >> >> > (UltimateBootCD!) The biggest trouble is that I am not able to keep

> >> >> > (it)

> >> >> > up

> >> >> > for any lenght of time that I can learn what might be happening,

> > which

> >> >> > suggests the PSU, I think?

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Memory would likely throw crashes and BSOD's but I didn't have a

> > single

> >> >> > one

> >> >> > of those - the machine just turns itself off in complete silence. I

> > am

> >> >> > thinking of naming it 'Marvin' (Marvin - the Paranoid Android, being

> >> >> > one

> >> >> > of

> >> >> > my heroe's!) in an effort to actually accept the behavior.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Tony. . .

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> > news:D6F25A11-1478-4ADB-83FF-EF54E2DC688D@microsoft.com...

> >> >> >> Tony,

> >> >> >> Sorry to hear that.

> >> >> >> PC downtime is worst than a car downtime.

> >> >> >> For what you describe it is not OS related.

> >> >> >> First suspect is the PSU but...

> >> >> >> Remove as much hardware as you can, even the HD's.

> >> >> >> Get yourself a good old DOS floppy (your Win2k rig can do that,

> >> >> >> uh?)

> >> > and

> >> >> >> a

> >> >> >> copy of memtest86.

> >> >> >> Boot your "un-hardwared" PC into DOS and leave it there for a

> >> >> >> couple

> >> >> >> of

> >> >> > hours.

> >> >> >> Then run memtest.

> >> >> >> Best of luck.

> >> >> >> Carlos

> >> >> >> PS: you might also wanna try some prayings (any religion will do)

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> "Tony Sperling" wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> > It's not that I'm really whining, but I certainly had my share of

> >> >> >> > misfortunes just now! (I probably deserve it) My 64bit system

> >> > commited

> >> >> >> > suicide and the good old retired Athlon XP 2400+ machine, that I

> >> >> > enlisted as

> >> >> >> > an immidiate reservist, refused to acknowledge that it had a

> >> > perfectly

> >> >> > good

> >> >> >> > HD a short while ago! A new flat-cable sorted that one after

> >> >> >> > quite

> > a

> >> >> >> > bit

> >> >> > of

> >> >> >> > rummaging.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > So, folks: "Here I am - back at the old Win2K, for now". What a

> >> >> > wonderful

> >> >> >> > machine this is - it never ceases to amaze me! I'll be reading

> > over

> >> >> >> > your

> >> >> >> > shoulders for a while now!

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > I can't really figure out what happened with the FX-62 system,

> >> > though,

> >> >> > since

> >> >> >> > I wasn't in the room when it shut down. When I restart, it may

> >> >> >> > run

> >> > for

> >> >> >> > a

> >> >> >> > couple of minutes, or 20 perhaps, and one time it shut down

> > shortly

> >> >> > after I

> >> >> >> > entered the BIOS Setup. It's not hot at all, this is the

> >> >> >> > 'Coolest'

> >> >> > system

> >> >> >> > I've ever had (in every respect). It inhabits a Antec box with a

> >> >> > Seasonic

> >> >> >> > PSU and a handfull of fans. I did manage to see the readout a few

> >> >> > times -

> >> >> >> > CPU 29*, MB 33*, and GPU 43* (threshold at 126*!) I spent a whole

> >> >> >> > day

> >> >> >> > in

> >> >> >> > there and the only suspect I can come up with is the Seasonic - I

> >> > hope

> >> >> > it

> >> >> >> > is, because I think I can remember it came with a five year

> >> >> >> > warranty.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > Avast has not made a sound or anything. The last thing I did was

> > on

> >> > the

> >> >> > twin

> >> >> >> > XP Home system where I had mistakenly installed the Asus Tool

> >> > 'AI-Nap'

> >> >> > when

> >> >> >> > I rebuild that system a short while ago, I had removed that two

> >> >> >> > or

> >> >> >> > three

> >> >> >> > days earlier because it slowed down that system quite severely.

> >> >> >> > Removing

> >> >> > it

> >> >> >> > was a bit of an ordeal since parts of it kept popping up, but a

> > few

> >> >> >> > days

> >> >> >> > before that had stopped completely.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > But this has taken me so long that I'm effectively stuck with the

> >> >> >> > carcas

> >> >> >> > over the week-end. If anybody have any idea what else I can put

> >> >> >> > under

> >> >> > the

> >> >> >> > looking glass until then - let's hear it, please!

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > Tony. . .

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > (sigh!)

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest Tony Sperling]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

All I can say is: "Wow!"

 

 

Tony. . .

[Guest R. C. White]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

Hi, Carlos.

 

And "buss" is a valid English word. It means "to kiss". ;<)

http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2004/02/14.html

 

I'll let you guys translate that into Spanish or Danish or whatever you

like. ;^}

 

RC

--

R. C. White, CPA

San Marcos, TX

rc@grandecom.net

Microsoft Windows MVP

(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

 

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:68D8E662-5129-4282-8A51-A488DC01A58F@microsoft.com...

> Charlie,

> I've noticed along time that you tend to use "buss" as opposed to the

> right

> term "bus".

> Bus derives from the bus bar where passengers would hang with their hands

> looking for support in the buses or public transportation.

> It was analogous to the ground and +B bars in the old vacuum tube designs

> where circuitry connections would "hang" on them.

> So, electronics inherited a real life expression (bus bar) to refer to the

> "hanging" electrical connections to those ground and +voltage bars.

> End of history lesson #2.

> :)

> Carlos

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>

>> Your Diamond is nothing on my #9. And not just any old #9, but one that

>> had

>> 128 Mb of VRAM, and only worked with the SGI 1600SW flat screen. They

>> came

>> as a pair, and cost ~$2500 as I recall. Had a really _nice_ royalty check

>> one quarter and both of us got new SGI 1600SW monitors. Heck, I still use

>> that 1600 many years later. Along with a 21" Samsung. But had to buy a

>> converter to connect it to a DVI output since that particular digital

>> format

>> never caught on.

>>

>> (The buss you're referring to is ISA, I suspect.)

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

[Guest Carlos]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

R.C.,

Thanks for the English class!

:)

But I don't think Charlie was trying to kiss anybody in his post, uh?

:))))))

According to the Babylon dictionary, buss translates into something like a

"big kiss", not a regular one.

Kiss is "beso" in Spanish (remember the famous song "Besame mucho", "Kiss me

a lot"?) and buss is "besote", like an augmentative.

 

Carlos

 

"R. C. White" wrote:

> Hi, Carlos.

>

> And "buss" is a valid English word. It means "to kiss". ;<)

> http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2004/02/14.html

>

> I'll let you guys translate that into Spanish or Danish or whatever you

> like. ;^}

>

> RC

> --

> R. C. White, CPA

> San Marcos, TX

> rc@grandecom.net

> Microsoft Windows MVP

> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>

> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:68D8E662-5129-4282-8A51-A488DC01A58F@microsoft.com...

> > Charlie,

> > I've noticed along time that you tend to use "buss" as opposed to the

> > right

> > term "bus".

> > Bus derives from the bus bar where passengers would hang with their hands

> > looking for support in the buses or public transportation.

> > It was analogous to the ground and +B bars in the old vacuum tube designs

> > where circuitry connections would "hang" on them.

> > So, electronics inherited a real life expression (bus bar) to refer to the

> > "hanging" electrical connections to those ground and +voltage bars.

> > End of history lesson #2.

> > :)

> > Carlos

> >

> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> >

> >> Your Diamond is nothing on my #9. And not just any old #9, but one that

> >> had

> >> 128 Mb of VRAM, and only worked with the SGI 1600SW flat screen. They

> >> came

> >> as a pair, and cost ~$2500 as I recall. Had a really _nice_ royalty check

> >> one quarter and both of us got new SGI 1600SW monitors. Heck, I still use

> >> that 1600 many years later. Along with a 21" Samsung. But had to buy a

> >> converter to connect it to a DVI output since that particular digital

> >> format

> >> never caught on.

> >>

> >> (The buss you're referring to is ISA, I suspect.)

> >>

> >> --

> >> Charlie.

> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

Buss is an electrical transmission backbone. A bus, otoh, is a vehicle for

carrying lots of people. Or at least, that's the way I learned it. ;)

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:EB9E63CB-A8B2-46E2-93B9-E87D52A043A6@microsoft.com...

> R.C.,

> Thanks for the English class!

> :)

> But I don't think Charlie was trying to kiss anybody in his post, uh?

> :))))))

> According to the Babylon dictionary, buss translates into something like a

> "big kiss", not a regular one.

> Kiss is "beso" in Spanish (remember the famous song "Besame mucho", "Kiss

> me

> a lot"?) and buss is "besote", like an augmentative.

>

> Carlos

>

> "R. C. White" wrote:

>

>> Hi, Carlos.

>>

>> And "buss" is a valid English word. It means "to kiss". ;<)

>> http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2004/02/14.html

>>

>> I'll let you guys translate that into Spanish or Danish or whatever you

>> like. ;^}

>>

>> RC

>> --

>> R. C. White, CPA

>> San Marcos, TX

>> rc@grandecom.net

>> Microsoft Windows MVP

>> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

>>

>> "Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:68D8E662-5129-4282-8A51-A488DC01A58F@microsoft.com...

>> > Charlie,

>> > I've noticed along time that you tend to use "buss" as opposed to the

>> > right

>> > term "bus".

>> > Bus derives from the bus bar where passengers would hang with their

>> > hands

>> > looking for support in the buses or public transportation.

>> > It was analogous to the ground and +B bars in the old vacuum tube

>> > designs

>> > where circuitry connections would "hang" on them.

>> > So, electronics inherited a real life expression (bus bar) to refer to

>> > the

>> > "hanging" electrical connections to those ground and +voltage bars.

>> > End of history lesson #2.

>> > :)

>> > Carlos

>> >

>> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Your Diamond is nothing on my #9. And not just any old #9, but one

>> >> that

>> >> had

>> >> 128 Mb of VRAM, and only worked with the SGI 1600SW flat screen. They

>> >> came

>> >> as a pair, and cost ~$2500 as I recall. Had a really _nice_ royalty

>> >> check

>> >> one quarter and both of us got new SGI 1600SW monitors. Heck, I still

>> >> use

>> >> that 1600 many years later. Along with a 21" Samsung. But had to buy a

>> >> converter to connect it to a DVI output since that particular digital

>> >> format

>> >> never caught on.

>> >>

>> >> (The buss you're referring to is ISA, I suspect.)

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >> Charlie.

>> >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

>> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

[Guest Carlos]

Re: What an awfull couple of days!

 

Charlie,

I don't want to open a debate here but

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buss

says...

"an alternate (incorrect) spelling of bus, used mainly in the case of an

electrical bus, also rarely for a computer bus"

:)

 

Carlos

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> If it's capacitors, the mobo should be swapped. And it should certainly be

> on warranty.

>

> Get a good flashlight, a magnifying glass, and if possible put the box up on

> a table top where you don't have to bend over or lie down to inspect it. Go

> over it minutely, just looking for _anything_ that looks off. It could be a

> bad solder joint (not as common as the old days, certainly, or a leaky cap,

> or a bit of something conductive that got in and periodically gets blown

> around to a place where it shorts out other things.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

>

> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> news:OVxqCy4eIHA.3724@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > Oh yes, Philo, I agree completely. I wouldn't dream of fixing that -

> > except

> > maybe on a week-end - as an overture to buying a replacement?

> >

> >

> > Tony. . .

> >

> >

> > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

> > news:%23I%23WHO4eIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> >>

> >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> >> news:%235F4C63eIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> >> > Yes, these are good points - I even remember Tom's Hardware had an

> > article

> >> > once about searching out bad capacitors, I'll try and see if I can find

> >> that

> >> > one, and hopefully isolate the problem somewhat. It's allways nice to

> > hand

> >> > it over to the shop and tell them to look for something specific -

> >> > it'll

> >> > usually impress them if you are right, and they'll be looking hard for

> >> > something else on their own. Maybe. . .?

> >> >

> >> > Tony. . .

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> If it's got bad capacitors, they are very easy to spot...

> >> but if that's the case...get a new mobo.

> >>

> >> The labor charge to replace the caps would be more than a new mobo...

> >>

> >> not only that even if the known bad caps are replaced,

> >> there will be other bad ones that are either not obvious...

> >> or will fail a little later

> >>

> >>

> >> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in

> > message

> >> > news:FFDFEC2E-7749-4651-9F44-E6F808A11884@microsoft.com...

> >> > > Seasonic are good. Very good. but as you say, it could still be that.

> >> > > However, I'm more inclined to think it's a bad capacitor, shorting to

> >> > > ground. The reason is that it takes a little time (as it starts to

> > warm

> >> > up)

> >> > > before it fails. That capacitor could be on the mobo, in the PSU, or

> >> even

> >> > on

> >> > > a plug in card.

> >> > >

> >> > > --

> >> > > Charlie.

> >> > > http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> >> > > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> >> > > news:%23E$qFh0eIHA.1132@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >> > > > This is my problem - the Seasonic is extremely good quality. It's

> >> > > > of

> >> the

> >> > > > kind you look and see the quality of a gem. That doesn't prevent it

> >> from

> >> > > > having a bad component, but this component could just as easily

> >> > > > have

> > a

> >> > > > point

> >> > > > of weakness that is triggered by something else as it could be

> > having

> >> a

> >> > > > 'load' problem on it's own? The same goes for the motherboard. I

> > think

> >> > > > this

> >> > > > is a troubleshooters nightmare if you are not in a position where

> > you

> >> > have

> >> > > > the equipment to test your way methodically through all the

> >> sub-systems.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > But - I am beginning to realize that I am a bit lucky as well,

> > because

> >> I

> >> > > > am

> >> > > > about to order a very expensive monitor from the people who build

> > the

> >> > > > machine according to my specifications. I am certainly not going to

> > do

> >> > > > that

> >> > > > before I have seen how they handle this critical mission - and this

> >> puts

> >> > > > me

> >> > > > in a situation where I can let them get a 'whif' of my intensions.

> >> After

> >> > > > all, if it's the motherboard, it will be a borderline warranty

> >> affair -

> >> > if

> >> > > > it's the PSU there is no question. I want to make sure that they

> > will

> >> > not

> >> > > > jump at the chance to rip me off for a new board while swapping out

> >> the

> >> > > > PSU

> >> > > > from one of their demo machines! Or something?

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Yes, I do agree. This could well be the board, but I will be much

> > less

> >> > > > likely to uncover that myself, if it is. I think for the moment,

> > that

> >> > > > Carlo's idea of stripping it down, see'ing if it has any effect at

> > all

> >> > has

> >> > > > the best kind of methodology (is that the word?) I can hope for. If

> > it

> >> > > > doesn't reveal anything - then I will be much more likely to throw

> > it

> >> at

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > motherboard. Right now, it'll be blowing in the wind.

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Tony. . .

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> >> > > > news:0930DE69-95F1-4AE1-B12E-9B188E5BC0C8@microsoft.com...

> >> > > >> The psu usually shows up as a problem during boot (that is the

> >> heaviest

> >> > > >> load). I would investigate the mobo.

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> >> > > >> news:O$bZYAzeIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> >> > > >> > It's not that I'm really whining, but I certainly had my share

> >> > > >> > of

> >> > > >> > misfortunes just now! (I probably deserve it) My 64bit system

> >> > commited

> >> > > >> > suicide and the good old retired Athlon XP 2400+ machine, that I

> >> > > > enlisted

> >> > > >> > as

> >> > > >> > an immidiate reservist, refused to acknowledge that it had a

> >> > perfectly

> >> > > >> > good

> >> > > >> > HD a short while ago! A new flat-cable sorted that one after

> > quite

> >> a

> >> > > >> > bit

> >> > > >> > of

> >> > > >> > rummaging.

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > So, folks: "Here I am - back at the old Win2K, for now". What a

> >> > > > wonderful

> >> > > >> > machine this is - it never ceases to amaze me! I'll be reading

> > over

> >> > > >> > your

> >> > > >> > shoulders for a while now!

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > I can't really figure out what happened with the FX-62 system,

> >> > though,

> >> > > >> > since

> >> > > >> > I wasn't in the room when it shut down. When I restart, it may

> > run

> >> > for

> >> > > >> > a

> >> > > >> > couple of minutes, or 20 perhaps, and one time it shut down

> > shortly

> >> > > > after

> >> > > >> > I

> >> > > >> > entered the BIOS Setup. It's not hot at all, this is the

> > 'Coolest'

> >> > > > system

> >> > > >> > I've ever had (in every respect). It inhabits a Antec box with a

> >> > > > Seasonic

> >> > > >> > PSU and a handfull of fans. I did manage to see the readout a

> >> > > >> > few

> >> > > > times -

> >> > > >> > CPU 29*, MB 33*, and GPU 43* (threshold at 126*!) I spent a

> >> > > >> > whole

> >> day

> >> > > >> > in

> >> > > >> > there and the only suspect I can come up with is the Seasonic -

> >> > > >> > I

> >> > hope

> >> > > > it

> >> > > >> > is, because I think I can remember it came with a five year

> >> warranty.

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > Avast has not made a sound or anything. The last thing I did was

> > on

> >> > the

> >> > > >> > twin

> >> > > >> > XP Home system where I had mistakenly installed the Asus Tool

> >> > 'AI-Nap'

> >> > > >> > when

> >> > > >> > I rebuild that system a short while ago, I had removed that two

> > or

> >> > > >> > three

> >> > > >> > days earlier because it slowed down that system quite severely.

> >> > > >> > Removing

> >> > > >> > it

> >> > > >> > was a bit of an ordeal since parts of it kept popping up, but a

> > few

> >> > > >> > days

> >> > > >> > before that had stopped completely.

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > But this has taken me so long that I'm effectively stuck with

> >> > > >> > the

> >> > > >> > carcas

> >> > > >> > over the week-end. If anybody have any idea what else I can put

> >> under

> >> > > > the

> >> > > >> > looking glass until then - let's hear it, please!

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > Tony. . .

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > (sigh!)

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> >

> >> > > >>

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

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