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I have noticed a number of software developers offering 64 bit versions of

their applications for Vista 64 only. ( also drivers for hardware ) Can we

count on XP Pro 64 to be around for a while or is Microsoft planning to

gently guide us to Vista ? I am currently at a crossroads and can't decide

whether to change apps and hardware to match XP Pro 64 or change OS to Vista

64. Any thoughts on the future of XP Pro 64 ?

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Guest Tom Lake

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

 

 

"Music64" <Music64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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Any thoughts on the future of XP Pro 64 ?

 

There *is* no future for XP 64.

 

Tom Lake

Guest Tony Sperling

Guest Tony Sperling

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

On the other hand it is not going away as long as we have the Server family.

Officially, XP x64 is announced to be with us at least untill 2014, wasn't

it? You are not going to wake up one morning and find it slowly evaporating.

 

But sure, MS will certainly be elbowing you towards it's own interpretation

of the 'Right Direction', and using it's own interpretation of the term:

"Gentle Violence"!

 

So far, I have decided XP stays where it is.

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

"Tom Lake" <toml_12953@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>

>

> "Music64" <Music64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:0F356288-F558-454D-9AED-80C03EC33AF2@microsoft.com...

>

> Any thoughts on the future of XP Pro 64 ?

>

> There *is* no future for XP 64.

>

> Tom Lake

>

Guest John Barnes

Guest John Barnes

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

Personally I find XP64 more stable than Vista64. You will undoubtedly find

fewer and fewer drivers being developed due to the small install base.

Vista64 out of the box had drivers for older hardware that never had XP64

drivers. Microsoft's support will be around for quite a while as Tony

notes.

 

"Music64" <Music64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:0F356288-F558-454D-9AED-80C03EC33AF2@microsoft.com...

>I have noticed a number of software developers offering 64 bit versions of

> their applications for Vista 64 only. ( also drivers for hardware ) Can we

> count on XP Pro 64 to be around for a while or is Microsoft planning to

> gently guide us to Vista ? I am currently at a crossroads and can't decide

> whether to change apps and hardware to match XP Pro 64 or change OS to

> Vista

> 64. Any thoughts on the future of XP Pro 64 ?

Guest Tony Sperling

Guest Tony Sperling

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

As a side-note:

 

any bit of hardware that somehow targets the Servers WILL have a driver in

the future as well, I think it's safe to bet?

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

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> Personally I find XP64 more stable than Vista64. You will undoubtedly

find

> fewer and fewer drivers being developed due to the small install base.

> Vista64 out of the box had drivers for older hardware that never had XP64

> drivers. Microsoft's support will be around for quite a while as Tony

> notes.

>

> "Music64" <Music64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:0F356288-F558-454D-9AED-80C03EC33AF2@microsoft.com...

> >I have noticed a number of software developers offering 64 bit versions

of

> > their applications for Vista 64 only. ( also drivers for hardware ) Can

we

> > count on XP Pro 64 to be around for a while or is Microsoft planning to

> > gently guide us to Vista ? I am currently at a crossroads and can't

decide

> > whether to change apps and hardware to match XP Pro 64 or change OS to

> > Vista

> > 64. Any thoughts on the future of XP Pro 64 ?

>

Guest John Barnes

Guest John Barnes

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

Looks like a good bet.

 

"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

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> As a side-note:

>

> any bit of hardware that somehow targets the Servers WILL have a driver in

> the future as well, I think it's safe to bet?

>

>

> Tony. . .

>

>

> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

> news:OTYDZ8EgIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Personally I find XP64 more stable than Vista64. You will undoubtedly

> find

>> fewer and fewer drivers being developed due to the small install base.

>> Vista64 out of the box had drivers for older hardware that never had XP64

>> drivers. Microsoft's support will be around for quite a while as Tony

>> notes.

>>

>> "Music64" <Music64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:0F356288-F558-454D-9AED-80C03EC33AF2@microsoft.com...

>> >I have noticed a number of software developers offering 64 bit versions

> of

>> > their applications for Vista 64 only. ( also drivers for hardware ) Can

> we

>> > count on XP Pro 64 to be around for a while or is Microsoft planning to

>> > gently guide us to Vista ? I am currently at a crossroads and can't

> decide

>> > whether to change apps and hardware to match XP Pro 64 or change OS to

>> > Vista

>> > 64. Any thoughts on the future of XP Pro 64 ?

>>

>

>

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

According to the Lifecycle tables XP Pro x64 will remain in mainstream

support for 24 months following the general public availability of its

successor (Vista Business x64), which translates to Jan 2009. It will be in

extended support for five years after that, or Jan 2014. Go with Vista.

 

Since there will be no extended support period for Vista Home Basic, Home

Premium, or Ultimate I suggest you go with Vista Business so that after the

end of mainstream support in 2012 you will have extended support until 2017.

 

"Music64" <Music64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:0F356288-F558-454D-9AED-80C03EC33AF2@microsoft.com...

>I have noticed a number of software developers offering 64 bit versions of

> their applications for Vista 64 only. ( also drivers for hardware ) Can we

> count on XP Pro 64 to be around for a while or is Microsoft planning to

> gently guide us to Vista ? I am currently at a crossroads and can't decide

> whether to change apps and hardware to match XP Pro 64 or change OS to

> Vista

> 64. Any thoughts on the future of XP Pro 64 ?

Guest Carlos

Guest Carlos

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

XP x64 will live in our hearts forever.

It was (still is) like our first love, our first kiss with the 64-bit girl.

Feelin' kinda romantic on this sunny supersouthern noon...

:)

Carlos

 

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> According to the Lifecycle tables XP Pro x64 will remain in mainstream

> support for 24 months following the general public availability of its

> successor (Vista Business x64), which translates to Jan 2009. It will be in

> extended support for five years after that, or Jan 2014. Go with Vista.

>

> Since there will be no extended support period for Vista Home Basic, Home

> Premium, or Ultimate I suggest you go with Vista Business so that after the

> end of mainstream support in 2012 you will have extended support until 2017.

>

> "Music64" <Music64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:0F356288-F558-454D-9AED-80C03EC33AF2@microsoft.com...

> >I have noticed a number of software developers offering 64 bit versions of

> > their applications for Vista 64 only. ( also drivers for hardware ) Can we

> > count on XP Pro 64 to be around for a while or is Microsoft planning to

> > gently guide us to Vista ? I am currently at a crossroads and can't decide

> > whether to change apps and hardware to match XP Pro 64 or change OS to

> > Vista

> > 64. Any thoughts on the future of XP Pro 64 ?

>

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

I feel the same way.

 

At least XP Pro x64 will have an extended support period, which is more than

can be said for Ultimate x64.

 

I am also troubled at the prospect that users of lowly XP Home will have the

last laugh on us users of mighty Vista Ultimate. According to the Lifecycle

tables and the FAQ, XP Home will continue to receive security updates for

two years AFTER Vista Ultimate goes completely out of support. What a

head-scratcher that one is.

 

"Carlos" <Carlos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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> XP x64 will live in our hearts forever.

> It was (still is) like our first love, our first kiss with the 64-bit

> girl.

> Feelin' kinda romantic on this sunny supersouthern noon...

> :)

> Carlos

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

>

>> According to the Lifecycle tables XP Pro x64 will remain in mainstream

>> support for 24 months following the general public availability of its

>> successor (Vista Business x64), which translates to Jan 2009. It will be

>> in

>> extended support for five years after that, or Jan 2014. Go with Vista.

>>

>> Since there will be no extended support period for Vista Home Basic, Home

>> Premium, or Ultimate I suggest you go with Vista Business so that after

>> the

>> end of mainstream support in 2012 you will have extended support until

>> 2017.

>>

>> "Music64" <Music64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:0F356288-F558-454D-9AED-80C03EC33AF2@microsoft.com...

>> >I have noticed a number of software developers offering 64 bit versions

>> >of

>> > their applications for Vista 64 only. ( also drivers for hardware ) Can

>> > we

>> > count on XP Pro 64 to be around for a while or is Microsoft planning to

>> > gently guide us to Vista ? I am currently at a crossroads and can't

>> > decide

>> > whether to change apps and hardware to match XP Pro 64 or change OS to

>> > Vista

>> > 64. Any thoughts on the future of XP Pro 64 ?

>>

Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

Posted
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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

You can't count on those drivers working for XP x64, even though they're the

same code base. I've found a few that will install on Server 2k3 x64, that

won't install on XP x64, and vice-versa. It depends on the way the driver is

presented. (I suspect some intelligent editing of the INF would get around

the limitations, however. )

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

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> Looks like a good bet.

>

> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message

> news:Ovq1aHFgIHA.5088@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> As a side-note:

>>

>> any bit of hardware that somehow targets the Servers WILL have a driver

>> in

>> the future as well, I think it's safe to bet?

>>

>>

>> Tony. . .

>>

>>

>> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

>> news:OTYDZ8EgIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Personally I find XP64 more stable than Vista64. You will undoubtedly

>> find

>>> fewer and fewer drivers being developed due to the small install base.

>>> Vista64 out of the box had drivers for older hardware that never had

>>> XP64

>>> drivers. Microsoft's support will be around for quite a while as Tony

>>> notes.

>>>

>>> "Music64" <Music64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:0F356288-F558-454D-9AED-80C03EC33AF2@microsoft.com...

>>> >I have noticed a number of software developers offering 64 bit versions

>> of

>>> > their applications for Vista 64 only. ( also drivers for hardware )

>>> > Can

>> we

>>> > count on XP Pro 64 to be around for a while or is Microsoft planning

>>> > to

>>> > gently guide us to Vista ? I am currently at a crossroads and can't

>> decide

>>> > whether to change apps and hardware to match XP Pro 64 or change OS to

>>> > Vista

>>> > 64. Any thoughts on the future of XP Pro 64 ?

>>>

>>

>>

>

Guest Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]

Guest Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]

Posted
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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

If you look at the Windows OS Lifecycle page, you'll see that Windows XP x64

Edition is on the same availability timeline as Windows XP. The page

currently shows Windows XP Professional, XP Tablet PC Edition, Professional

x64 Edition, XP Home, and XP Media Center Edition all at:

 

Direct OEM and Retail License Availability (end date) June 30, 2008

System Builder License Availability (end date) January

31, 2009

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

 

Because Windows XP Professional Edition was released a few years later than

Windows XP, the support timeline is likely to be a bit longer and seems like

it will end up being on the same dates as Windows Server 2003.

 

In any case, it's really up to the software and hardware vendors as to how

long they will continue to provide support for Windows XP x64 Edition for

their products. The current Windows logo programs (Works With Windows Vista,

Certified for Windows Vista, Games for Windows, etc.) mandate 64-bit (x64)

support for Windows Vista, but do not mandate support for Windows XP

Professional x64 Edition.

 

--

-Chuck Walbourn

SDE, XNA Developer Connection

 

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warrenties, and confers no rights.

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

Chuck, the real killer is that there is no extended support period for Vista

Ultimate (or VHB and VHP), only Business and Enterprise. That means that I

will continue to get security updates for my XP Pro x64 for two AFTER after

WU stops offering updates of any kind for my Vista Ultimate x64. That also

means that XP users will get the last laugh on me after all. Some XP Home

scriptkiddy gets updates and I get nada. That sucks!

 

"Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]" <chuckw@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:7BF53A85-AAF7-49E6-B2CB-DA513E8B8C70@microsoft.com...

> If you look at the Windows OS Lifecycle page, you'll see that Windows XP

> x64 Edition is on the same availability timeline as Windows XP. The page

> currently shows Windows XP Professional, XP Tablet PC Edition,

> Professional x64 Edition, XP Home, and XP Media Center Edition all at:

>

> Direct OEM and Retail License Availability (end date) June 30, 2008

> System Builder License Availability (end date) January

> 31, 2009

>

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

>

> Because Windows XP Professional Edition was released a few years later

> than Windows XP, the support timeline is likely to be a bit longer and

> seems like it will end up being on the same dates as Windows Server 2003.

>

> In any case, it's really up to the software and hardware vendors as to how

> long they will continue to provide support for Windows XP x64 Edition for

> their products. The current Windows logo programs (Works With Windows

> Vista, Certified for Windows Vista, Games for Windows, etc.) mandate

> 64-bit (x64) support for Windows Vista, but do not mandate support for

> Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.

>

> --

> -Chuck Walbourn

> SDE, XNA Developer Connection

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warrenties, and confers no

> rights.

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

Correction: "AFTER" sb "years"

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:B6EB6934-80D0-4ABF-8D47-E4F7B90CB727@microsoft.com...

> Chuck, the real killer is that there is no extended support period for

> Vista Ultimate (or VHB and VHP), only Business and Enterprise. That means

> that I will continue to get security updates for my XP Pro x64 for two

> AFTER after WU stops offering updates of any kind for my Vista Ultimate

> x64. That also means that XP users will get the last laugh on me after

> all. Some XP Home scriptkiddy gets updates and I get nada. That sucks!

>

> "Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]" <chuckw@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:7BF53A85-AAF7-49E6-B2CB-DA513E8B8C70@microsoft.com...

>> If you look at the Windows OS Lifecycle page, you'll see that Windows XP

>> x64 Edition is on the same availability timeline as Windows XP. The page

>> currently shows Windows XP Professional, XP Tablet PC Edition,

>> Professional x64 Edition, XP Home, and XP Media Center Edition all at:

>>

>> Direct OEM and Retail License Availability (end date) June 30,

>> 2008

>> System Builder License Availability (end date) January

>> 31, 2009

>>

>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

>>

>> Because Windows XP Professional Edition was released a few years later

>> than Windows XP, the support timeline is likely to be a bit longer and

>> seems like it will end up being on the same dates as Windows Server 2003.

>>

>> In any case, it's really up to the software and hardware vendors as to

>> how long they will continue to provide support for Windows XP x64 Edition

>> for their products. The current Windows logo programs (Works With Windows

>> Vista, Certified for Windows Vista, Games for Windows, etc.) mandate

>> 64-bit (x64) support for Windows Vista, but do not mandate support for

>> Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.

>>

>> --

>> -Chuck Walbourn

>> SDE, XNA Developer Connection

>>

>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warrenties, and confers no

>> rights.

>

Guest Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]

Guest Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]

Posted
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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

If you read our Lifecycle FAQ (http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy)

you see that we only offer Extended Support for "Business and Developer

products" not "Consumer, Hardware, and Multimedia products". There's some

internal debate about whether or not Ultimate should be treated as a

"Consumer" or a "Corporate" SKU when it's designed to be the union of the

two, so that's likely why the webpage lists "N/A" for Ultimate. That could

well change depending on how many business & developer customers end up

standardizing on Ultimate instead of Business/Enterprise.

 

In any case, remember that the Microsoft Support Lifecycle only applies to

Windows itself. Microsoft will provide updates for the OS, and under

Extended Support Microsoft will continue to provide updates and support but

in some cases will require a paid extended hotfix agreement. Microsoft

product teams are free to stop supporting a version of Windows once it

leaves "Mainstream Support", and third party suppliers of software,

hardware, and applications are free to do whatever they want. The incentive

marketing programs like the Windows logo programs are built with "Mainstream

Support" in mind, and typically are silent on the need to support down-level

versions of Windows. There's nothing in the Works With Windows Vista,

Certified for Windows Vista, or Games for Windows programs that says it has

to work on anything except Windows Vista. These programs do not preclude

supporting older versions, but they don't mandate it either.

 

--

-Chuck Walbourn

SDE, XNA Developer Connection

 

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warrenties, and confers no rights.

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
Posted

Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

Chuck,

 

I read the Lifecycle FAQ and that is why I am raising the issue. I

understand that the present policy was established after the lifecycle

policy was set for XP but you can take my comment back to the team that

extended support for XP Home and no extended support for Vista Ultimate is

not the way to encourage sales of Ultimate.

 

I am now recommending Vista Business in the newsgroups to prospective buyers

because of the extended support issues. I beleive that it is important

enough over time to influence a choice. I am encouraging MVPs and other

technology enthusiasts to do the same. Eligibility for extended support is

a valuable asset and I wish now I had not chosen Ultimate because of it.

 

I don't even want to start on how disappointing the Ultimate Extras program

has been over the first five quarters that Ultimate has been available.

 

I call on others reading this thread to share their thoughts on this.

 

"Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]" <chuckw@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:A3A4E8C8-ABC0-4718-8F41-10231A26E003@microsoft.com...

> If you read our Lifecycle FAQ (http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy)

> you see that we only offer Extended Support for "Business and Developer

> products" not "Consumer, Hardware, and Multimedia products". There's some

> internal debate about whether or not Ultimate should be treated as a

> "Consumer" or a "Corporate" SKU when it's designed to be the union of the

> two, so that's likely why the webpage lists "N/A" for Ultimate. That could

> well change depending on how many business & developer customers end up

> standardizing on Ultimate instead of Business/Enterprise.

>

> In any case, remember that the Microsoft Support Lifecycle only applies to

> Windows itself. Microsoft will provide updates for the OS, and under

> Extended Support Microsoft will continue to provide updates and support

> but in some cases will require a paid extended hotfix agreement. Microsoft

> product teams are free to stop supporting a version of Windows once it

> leaves "Mainstream Support", and third party suppliers of software,

> hardware, and applications are free to do whatever they want. The

> incentive marketing programs like the Windows logo programs are built with

> "Mainstream Support" in mind, and typically are silent on the need to

> support down-level versions of Windows. There's nothing in the Works With

> Windows Vista, Certified for Windows Vista, or Games for Windows programs

> that says it has to work on anything except Windows Vista. These programs

> do not preclude supporting older versions, but they don't mandate it

> either.

>

> --

> -Chuck Walbourn

> SDE, XNA Developer Connection

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warrenties, and confers no

> rights.

Guest Tony Sperling

Guest Tony Sperling

Posted
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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

Ha, ha!

 

(Sorry)

 

 

Tony. . .

 

 

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:B6EB6934-80D0-4ABF-8D47-E4F7B90CB727@microsoft.com...

> Chuck, the real killer is that there is no extended support period for

Vista

> Ultimate (or VHB and VHP), only Business and Enterprise. That means that

I

> will continue to get security updates for my XP Pro x64 for two AFTER

after

> WU stops offering updates of any kind for my Vista Ultimate x64. That

also

> means that XP users will get the last laugh on me after all. Some XP Home

> scriptkiddy gets updates and I get nada. That sucks!

>

> "Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]" <chuckw@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:7BF53A85-AAF7-49E6-B2CB-DA513E8B8C70@microsoft.com...

> > If you look at the Windows OS Lifecycle page, you'll see that Windows XP

> > x64 Edition is on the same availability timeline as Windows XP. The page

> > currently shows Windows XP Professional, XP Tablet PC Edition,

> > Professional x64 Edition, XP Home, and XP Media Center Edition all at:

> >

> > Direct OEM and Retail License Availability (end date) June 30,

2008

> > System Builder License Availability (end date)

January

> > 31, 2009

> >

> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

> >

> > Because Windows XP Professional Edition was released a few years later

> > than Windows XP, the support timeline is likely to be a bit longer and

> > seems like it will end up being on the same dates as Windows Server

2003.

> >

> > In any case, it's really up to the software and hardware vendors as to

how

> > long they will continue to provide support for Windows XP x64 Edition

for

> > their products. The current Windows logo programs (Works With Windows

> > Vista, Certified for Windows Vista, Games for Windows, etc.) mandate

> > 64-bit (x64) support for Windows Vista, but do not mandate support for

> > Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.

> >

> > --

> > -Chuck Walbourn

> > SDE, XNA Developer Connection

> >

> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warrenties, and confers no

> > rights.

>

Guest Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]

Guest Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]

Posted
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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

The choice of which edition of Windows Vista to get/recommend should be a

function of features. If you want Windows Parental Controls and/or Media

Center, you should get Home Basic or Home Premium. If you want domain join

or remote desktop, you should get Business/Enterprise. If you want both

consumer and corporate features, you get Ultimate. Enterprise is only

available as a volume licensing SKU, and is therefore not an option for an

individual to purchase.

 

I agree the messaging of this 'extended support period' is a little odd, but

I don't think I'd make a decision as an individual based on this either way.

It may well matter to a large corporation planning to deploy a major upgrade

they hope will last for a decade and want to make sure they can purchase a

hotfix agreement to get continued Premium support, but for most consumers

that's well past the life of the actual computer itself.

 

In any case, the original post was about the future of Windows XP

Professional x64, which I think is answered pretty well by the Lifecycle

discussion so far.

 

--

-Chuck Walbourn

SDE, XNA Developer Connection

 

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warrenties, and confers no rights.

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

Posted
Posted

Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

Chuck,

 

If the differentiation between editions by MS Marketing as demostrated in

places like the EULA and the Lifecycle were based on features I might buy

into your reasoning about purchasing on features. But putting restrictions

on use in the EULA purely to "add value" to some editions over others turns

me off as a consumer. Then MS amended the EULA in response to customer

objections, which I thought was embarassing to MS. I'll bet the whole thing

could have been avoided if Marketing had listened to the product teams.

 

A case in point of course is the restriction on the virtualization of VHB

and VHP in the Vista consumer EULA. If Ultimate were truly a consumer

edition then why wasn't it included in the EULA prohibition of

virtualization too? Because Marketing was artificially differentiating

editions for pricing, that's why. It had nothing to do with features or

whether Ultimate was consumer or business. I don't think that

differentiating editions by making some ineligible for extended support is

any better.

 

Colin

 

"Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]" <chuckw@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4FF0A8F1-667A-4F35-8D71-7CDC8BE0373C@microsoft.com...

> The choice of which edition of Windows Vista to get/recommend should be a

> function of features. If you want Windows Parental Controls and/or Media

> Center, you should get Home Basic or Home Premium. If you want domain join

> or remote desktop, you should get Business/Enterprise. If you want both

> consumer and corporate features, you get Ultimate. Enterprise is only

> available as a volume licensing SKU, and is therefore not an option for an

> individual to purchase.

>

> I agree the messaging of this 'extended support period' is a little odd,

> but I don't think I'd make a decision as an individual based on this

> either way. It may well matter to a large corporation planning to deploy a

> major upgrade they hope will last for a decade and want to make sure they

> can purchase a hotfix agreement to get continued Premium support, but for

> most consumers that's well past the life of the actual computer itself.

>

> In any case, the original post was about the future of Windows XP

> Professional x64, which I think is answered pretty well by the Lifecycle

> discussion so far.

>

> --

> -Chuck Walbourn

> SDE, XNA Developer Connection

>

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Guest Charlie Russel - MVP

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

I think Colin makes an interesting case on the subject of extended support.

Certainly, if I need features that are only available in Ultimate or Home

Premium, then I clearly _must_ buy Ultimate, since domain join is an

absolute requirement. Should my business then be penalized and my support

options limited? That makes no sense - I made a business decision to go with

Ultimate on some machines because of the compelling features and the "all

in" nature of it. Not because I wanted or expected a shorter time line for

support.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]" <chuckw@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:4FF0A8F1-667A-4F35-8D71-7CDC8BE0373C@microsoft.com...

> The choice of which edition of Windows Vista to get/recommend should be a

> function of features. If you want Windows Parental Controls and/or Media

> Center, you should get Home Basic or Home Premium. If you want domain join

> or remote desktop, you should get Business/Enterprise. If you want both

> consumer and corporate features, you get Ultimate. Enterprise is only

> available as a volume licensing SKU, and is therefore not an option for an

> individual to purchase.

>

> I agree the messaging of this 'extended support period' is a little odd,

> but I don't think I'd make a decision as an individual based on this

> either way. It may well matter to a large corporation planning to deploy a

> major upgrade they hope will last for a decade and want to make sure they

> can purchase a hotfix agreement to get continued Premium support, but for

> most consumers that's well past the life of the actual computer itself.

>

> In any case, the original post was about the future of Windows XP

> Professional x64, which I think is answered pretty well by the Lifecycle

> discussion so far.

>

> --

> -Chuck Walbourn

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>

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Guest Carlos

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

And "get nada" should be "get nothing".

:))))

Carlos

 

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> Correction: "AFTER" sb "years"

>

> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:B6EB6934-80D0-4ABF-8D47-E4F7B90CB727@microsoft.com...

> > Chuck, the real killer is that there is no extended support period for

> > Vista Ultimate (or VHB and VHP), only Business and Enterprise. That means

> > that I will continue to get security updates for my XP Pro x64 for two

> > AFTER after WU stops offering updates of any kind for my Vista Ultimate

> > x64. That also means that XP users will get the last laugh on me after

> > all. Some XP Home scriptkiddy gets updates and I get nada. That sucks!

> >

> > "Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]" <chuckw@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:7BF53A85-AAF7-49E6-B2CB-DA513E8B8C70@microsoft.com...

> >> If you look at the Windows OS Lifecycle page, you'll see that Windows XP

> >> x64 Edition is on the same availability timeline as Windows XP. The page

> >> currently shows Windows XP Professional, XP Tablet PC Edition,

> >> Professional x64 Edition, XP Home, and XP Media Center Edition all at:

> >>

> >> Direct OEM and Retail License Availability (end date) June 30,

> >> 2008

> >> System Builder License Availability (end date) January

> >> 31, 2009

> >>

> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

> >>

> >> Because Windows XP Professional Edition was released a few years later

> >> than Windows XP, the support timeline is likely to be a bit longer and

> >> seems like it will end up being on the same dates as Windows Server 2003.

> >>

> >> In any case, it's really up to the software and hardware vendors as to

> >> how long they will continue to provide support for Windows XP x64 Edition

> >> for their products. The current Windows logo programs (Works With Windows

> >> Vista, Certified for Windows Vista, Games for Windows, etc.) mandate

> >> 64-bit (x64) support for Windows Vista, but do not mandate support for

> >> Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.

> >>

> >> --

> >> -Chuck Walbourn

> >> SDE, XNA Developer Connection

> >>

> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warrenties, and confers no

> >> rights.

> >

>

Guest Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]

Guest Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

I don't disagree that Ultimate being "N/A" is strange and I've inquired

about it myself. My point being is that "Extended Support" has been defined

to be a feature for Corporate products, not Consumer products. As such, it

makes sense why VHB and VHP are "N/A".

 

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Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

In as much as extended supported being defined for some editions of Windows

and not for others, maybe. But I don't use VHB or VHP so that's not my ox

being gored. Those users can look out for themselves. But I am an Ultimate

user and I am concerned about it. I don't suppose I am going to get some

kind of credit towards Windows 7 to make up for the higher price for

Ultimate over Business minus ES? Thought not.

 

"Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]" <chuckw@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:09496031-6D23-42DF-B4BA-0859C3893E2D@microsoft.com...

>I don't disagree that Ultimate being "N/A" is strange and I've inquired

>about it myself. My point being is that "Extended Support" has been defined

>to be a feature for Corporate products, not Consumer products. As such, it

>makes sense why VHB and VHP are "N/A".

>

> --

> -Chuck Walbourn

> SDE, XNA Developer Connection

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warrenties, and confers no

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Guest Cervantes

Guest Cervantes

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

Future?? What future????

Guest Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]

Guest Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]

Posted
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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

"Extended support" basically means "Corporate cusomers can buy support from

Microsoft after 5 years if they still want to use it with MS support". If

you are an individual, then it rarely matters except you get the side

benefit of any publicly released security fixes and can call up for paid

support, although the triage bar for getting anything 'fixed' in the product

is extremely high.

 

The purchase price of Windows Vista doesn't include "extended support".

"Extended support" is something that gets paid for by these Premium and

Volume Licensing support contracts, and per-incident paid support fees.

 

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-Chuck Walbourn

SDE, XNA Developer Connection

 

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Guest Colin Barnhorst

Guest Colin Barnhorst

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Re: Future of XP Professional x64

 

So why is XP Home eligible for extended support until 2014 and Vista

Ultimate is not eligible for extended support at all?

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3221

 

According the section 11 of the Lifecycle Policy FAQ

http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy, extended support includes

"security update support at no additional cost". This is NOT corporate

customers buying support from MS. This is Windows Update continuing to

deliver critical updates during the five years of extended support. And

this extended support is available to all customers. The policy FAQ says

so! I quote from the FAQ in pertinent part:

 

"11. Who can receive support in the Extended Support phase?

 

Extended Support will be available to all customers*. Extended Support

includes paid support (support that is charged on an hourly basis or per

incident), security update support at no additional cost, and paid hotfix

support. To receive hotfix support, an Extended Hotfix Support contract must

be purchased within the first 90 days following the end of the Mainstream

Support phase. Microsoft will not accept requests for warranty support,

design changes, or new features during the Extended Support phase."

 

I want that "security update support at no additional cost" that is

"available to all customers" for my Vista Ultimate for five years after

mainstream support ends just like any consumer who elects to buy Vista

Business will get. Make Ultimate eligible for the same thing.

 

Besides, what will SA customers who elect Ultimate in lieu of their

Enterprise entitlement receive following the end of mainstream support?

AFAIK, they retain the perks of Enterprise when they elect Ultimate on the

principal that their rights are preserved when they make such an election.

Will MS prepare security updates for their copies of Ultimate but deny them

to consumers even though they have already been written and tested?

 

And then, MS promised that Vista Ultimate would include everything that

Vista has to offer.

 

Chuck, this is not aimed to you personally and I know you won't read it that

way, but while I like Microsoft and like Microsoft products, MS Marketing

brings out the pit bull in me.

>Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]" <chuckw@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>news:A5F4D917-B122-4D96-B041-065C3A3BEC28@microsoft.com...

> "Extended support" basically means "Corporate cusomers can buy support

> from Microsoft after 5 years if they still want to use it with MS

> support". If you are an individual, then it rarely matters except you get

> the side benefit of any publicly released security fixes and can call up

> for paid support, although the triage bar for getting anything 'fixed' in

> the product is extremely high.

>

> The purchase price of Windows Vista doesn't include "extended support".

> "Extended support" is something that gets paid for by these Premium and

> Volume Licensing support contracts, and per-incident paid support fees.

>

> --

> -Chuck Walbourn

> SDE, XNA Developer Connection

>

> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warrenties, and confers no

> rights.

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