File Copy Eats Ram

March 10, 2008

Hey All

i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in XPx64

The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the ram is full

it writes it off to the other HDD

This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or any other

computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer because

everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any processor time

Any help would be apprieciated

Yahooadam

March 10, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

See the thread entitled "XP x64 - starved for RAM when handling large

files?" I started on the first of this month. Are the symptoms similar to

what I've described?

March 10, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

This sounds suspiciously like http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920739/en-us

for which there is a patch for Windows 2003. You may want to look at the

cache counters in perfmon while this is occurring. If this is the same

issue, call PSS see if MS has or is working on a similar patch for XP.

"Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:EDF16D09-2342-4C96-B0C8-F95131BA47D7@microsoft.com...

> Hey All

>

> i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in XPx64

> The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the ram is full

> it writes it off to the other HDD

>

> This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or any

> other

> computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

>

> However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer because

> everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any processor time

>

> Any help would be apprieciated

> Yahooadam

March 11, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

This does sound very similar/the same

I tried updating my drivers last night; however this doesn’t appear to have

made any difference

I’ve run HDTach on the drives and they appear to be going at the right

speed, in-fact I even timed the file copy, and it wasn’t overly slow.

However, because it pushes everything out of ram, everything else stops, and

if you try and do 2 file copy’s at the same time the machine won’t really do

anything, and the copy’s take an exponential amount of time longer

Yahooadam

"Homer J. Simpson" wrote:

> See the thread entitled "XP x64 - starved for RAM when handling large

> files?" I started on the first of this month. Are the symptoms similar to

> what I've described?

>

March 11, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

That problem does sound very much the same

What do you mean by "You may want to look at the cache counters in perfmon

while this is occurring" (i assume something in taskmanager -> performance)

Where would i find the numbers for PSS?

Thanks for the help

Yahooadam

"John Fullbright" wrote:

> This sounds suspiciously like http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920739/en-us

> for which there is a patch for Windows 2003. You may want to look at the

> cache counters in perfmon while this is occurring. If this is the same

> issue, call PSS see if MS has or is working on a similar patch for XP.

>

> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:EDF16D09-2342-4C96-B0C8-F95131BA47D7@microsoft.com...

> > Hey All

> >

> > i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in XPx64

> > The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the ram is full

> > it writes it off to the other HDD

> >

> > This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or any

> > other

> > computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

> >

> > However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer because

> > everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any processor time

> >

> > Any help would be apprieciated

> > Yahooadam

>

March 11, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

cache - lazt write flushes, lazy write pages, data flushes, data flush

pages.

memory - page faults/sec

You're looking for "For example, if you are copying a file that is 1 GB, 500

MB of the file is copied to the cache before the Cache Manager starts

flushing the dirty pages. Flushing 500 MB of dirty pages causes several page

faults. These page faults must be committed to the disk. When this occurs,

it can cause bottlenecks on slow disks."

"Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:EC198251-C4F8-43B6-AE37-7363D62BD5C6@microsoft.com...

> That problem does sound very much the same

>

> What do you mean by "You may want to look at the cache counters in perfmon

> while this is occurring" (i assume something in taskmanager ->

> performance)

>

> Where would i find the numbers for PSS?

>

> Thanks for the help

> Yahooadam

>

> "John Fullbright" wrote:

>

>> This sounds suspiciously like

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920739/en-us

>> for which there is a patch for Windows 2003. You may want to look at the

>> cache counters in perfmon while this is occurring. If this is the same

>> issue, call PSS see if MS has or is working on a similar patch for XP.

>>

>> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:EDF16D09-2342-4C96-B0C8-F95131BA47D7@microsoft.com...

>> > Hey All

>> >

>> > i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in XPx64

>> > The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the ram is

>> > full

>> > it writes it off to the other HDD

>> >

>> > This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or any

>> > other

>> > computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

>> >

>> > However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer

>> > because

>> > everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any processor

>> > time

>> >

>> > Any help would be apprieciated

>> > Yahooadam

>>

March 11, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

Start run perfmon. Click the "+" to add counters.

"Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:EC198251-C4F8-43B6-AE37-7363D62BD5C6@microsoft.com...

> That problem does sound very much the same

>

> What do you mean by "You may want to look at the cache counters in perfmon

> while this is occurring" (i assume something in taskmanager ->

> performance)

>

> Where would i find the numbers for PSS?

>

> Thanks for the help

> Yahooadam

>

> "John Fullbright" wrote:

>

>> This sounds suspiciously like

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920739/en-us

>> for which there is a patch for Windows 2003. You may want to look at the

>> cache counters in perfmon while this is occurring. If this is the same

>> issue, call PSS see if MS has or is working on a similar patch for XP.

>>

>> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:EDF16D09-2342-4C96-B0C8-F95131BA47D7@microsoft.com...

>> > Hey All

>> >

>> > i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in XPx64

>> > The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the ram is

>> > full

>> > it writes it off to the other HDD

>> >

>> > This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or any

>> > other

>> > computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

>> >

>> > However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer

>> > because

>> > everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any processor

>> > time

>> >

>> > Any help would be apprieciated

>> > Yahooadam

>>

March 29, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

Cheers for the instructions

When idle, i have about 20 Page Faults, up to about 100

When i copied a 4.5gb file, it jumped to 2.5k up to about 3k

Im guessing this is probably my problem then?

(Sorry for taking so long to respond, but ive been quite busy)

Cheers

Yahooadam

"John Fullbright" wrote:

> Start run perfmon. Click the "+" to add counters.

>

> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:EC198251-C4F8-43B6-AE37-7363D62BD5C6@microsoft.com...

> > That problem does sound very much the same

> >

> > What do you mean by "You may want to look at the cache counters in perfmon

> > while this is occurring" (i assume something in taskmanager ->

> > performance)

> >

> > Where would i find the numbers for PSS?

> >

> > Thanks for the help

> > Yahooadam

> >

> > "John Fullbright" wrote:

> >

> >> This sounds suspiciously like

> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920739/en-us

> >> for which there is a patch for Windows 2003. You may want to look at the

> >> cache counters in perfmon while this is occurring. If this is the same

> >> issue, call PSS see if MS has or is working on a similar patch for XP.

> >>

> >> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:EDF16D09-2342-4C96-B0C8-F95131BA47D7@microsoft.com...

> >> > Hey All

> >> >

> >> > i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in XPx64

> >> > The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the ram is

> >> > full

> >> > it writes it off to the other HDD

> >> >

> >> > This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or any

> >> > other

> >> > computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

> >> >

> >> > However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer

> >> > because

> >> > everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any processor

> >> > time

> >> >

> >> > Any help would be apprieciated

> >> > Yahooadam

> >>

>

March 29, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

Oh, also, the Pages/sec are about 12-15k

"John Fullbright" wrote:

> Start run perfmon. Click the "+" to add counters.

>

> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:EC198251-C4F8-43B6-AE37-7363D62BD5C6@microsoft.com...

> > That problem does sound very much the same

> >

> > What do you mean by "You may want to look at the cache counters in perfmon

> > while this is occurring" (i assume something in taskmanager ->

> > performance)

> >

> > Where would i find the numbers for PSS?

> >

> > Thanks for the help

> > Yahooadam

> >

> > "John Fullbright" wrote:

> >

> >> This sounds suspiciously like

> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920739/en-us

> >> for which there is a patch for Windows 2003. You may want to look at the

> >> cache counters in perfmon while this is occurring. If this is the same

> >> issue, call PSS see if MS has or is working on a similar patch for XP.

> >>

> >> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:EDF16D09-2342-4C96-B0C8-F95131BA47D7@microsoft.com...

> >> > Hey All

> >> >

> >> > i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in XPx64

> >> > The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the ram is

> >> > full

> >> > it writes it off to the other HDD

> >> >

> >> > This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or any

> >> > other

> >> > computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

> >> >

> >> > However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer

> >> > because

> >> > everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any processor

> >> > time

> >> >

> >> > Any help would be apprieciated

> >> > Yahooadam

> >>

>

March 30, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

This looks like the same problem indeed. I would contact ms and see if they

have a similar hotfix in the works for XP.

John

"Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:14FF8905-1159-44E4-BC9D-5688E15830EA@microsoft.com...

> Oh, also, the Pages/sec are about 12-15k

>

> "John Fullbright" wrote:

>

>> Start run perfmon. Click the "+" to add counters.

>>

>> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:EC198251-C4F8-43B6-AE37-7363D62BD5C6@microsoft.com...

>> > That problem does sound very much the same

>> >

>> > What do you mean by "You may want to look at the cache counters in

>> > perfmon

>> > while this is occurring" (i assume something in taskmanager ->

>> > performance)

>> >

>> > Where would i find the numbers for PSS?

>> >

>> > Thanks for the help

>> > Yahooadam

>> >

>> > "John Fullbright" wrote:

>> >

>> >> This sounds suspiciously like

>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920739/en-us

>> >> for which there is a patch for Windows 2003. You may want to look at

>> >> the

>> >> cache counters in perfmon while this is occurring. If this is the

>> >> same

>> >> issue, call PSS see if MS has or is working on a similar patch for XP.

>> >>

>> >> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:EDF16D09-2342-4C96-B0C8-F95131BA47D7@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Hey All

>> >> >

>> >> > i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in

>> >> > XPx64

>> >> > The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the ram

>> >> > is

>> >> > full

>> >> > it writes it off to the other HDD

>> >> >

>> >> > This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or

>> >> > any

>> >> > other

>> >> > computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

>> >> >

>> >> > However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer

>> >> > because

>> >> > everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any processor

>> >> > time

>> >> >

>> >> > Any help would be apprieciated

>> >> > Yahooadam

>> >>

>>

March 30, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

On Mar 10, 7:20 am, "Homer J. Simpson" <r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> See the thread entitled "XP x64 - starved for RAM when handling large

> files?" I started on the first of this month. Are the symptoms similar to

> what I've described?

I had a slightly different problem. I have a partition on my X64 PC

that is about 50Gbytes with maybe a million files. The files

themselves are small. I tried to copy from my X64 PC to my notebook

(win2kpro). It started fine but eventually came to a crawl. I never

did figure out the problem. Rather than get elegant, I pulled the HD

from the notebook and hooked it up to the X64 machine. I thought maybe

it was a network issue. Well, it still bogged down. Finally, I just

put the Partition Commander CD in my X64 box, booted from the CD, and

did the copy with Partition Commander. It was about as fast as the

drive could handle it.

April 29, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

Hey

ive been trying to work out how to contact Microsoft without paying lots of

money (they want like £45)

This is from here

https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-gb&prid=8761&gprid=299336

im part of the MSDNAA i believe (if that helps me contact them) and im using

a copy of windows XPx64 supplied through there (by my university)

for XPx32 you get 2 free support requests, but apparently not for x64

If you could point me in the direction of somewhere i can contact them, it

would really help me

Yahooadam

"John Fullbright" wrote:

> This looks like the same problem indeed. I would contact ms and see if they

> have a similar hotfix in the works for XP.

>

> John

>

> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:14FF8905-1159-44E4-BC9D-5688E15830EA@microsoft.com...

> > Oh, also, the Pages/sec are about 12-15k

> >

> > "John Fullbright" wrote:

> >

> >> Start run perfmon. Click the "+" to add counters.

> >>

> >> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:EC198251-C4F8-43B6-AE37-7363D62BD5C6@microsoft.com...

> >> > That problem does sound very much the same

> >> >

> >> > What do you mean by "You may want to look at the cache counters in

> >> > perfmon

> >> > while this is occurring" (i assume something in taskmanager ->

> >> > performance)

> >> >

> >> > Where would i find the numbers for PSS?

> >> >

> >> > Thanks for the help

> >> > Yahooadam

> >> >

> >> > "John Fullbright" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> This sounds suspiciously like

> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920739/en-us

> >> >> for which there is a patch for Windows 2003. You may want to look at

> >> >> the

> >> >> cache counters in perfmon while this is occurring. If this is the

> >> >> same

> >> >> issue, call PSS see if MS has or is working on a similar patch for XP.

> >> >>

> >> >> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:EDF16D09-2342-4C96-B0C8-F95131BA47D7@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > Hey All

> >> >> >

> >> >> > i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in

> >> >> > XPx64

> >> >> > The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the ram

> >> >> > is

> >> >> > full

> >> >> > it writes it off to the other HDD

> >> >> >

> >> >> > This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or

> >> >> > any

> >> >> > other

> >> >> > computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

> >> >> >

> >> >> > However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer

> >> >> > because

> >> >> > everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any processor

> >> >> > time

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Any help would be apprieciated

> >> >> > Yahooadam

> >> >>

> >>

>

May 2, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

The bits are the same between the qfe and XP 64 bit. I'll try and get

someone from MS to verify that works (it likely hasn't been tested on XP

64bit)

"Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:A3F5AA56-ED8C-48AB-AE56-D67E2C83BA15@microsoft.com...

> Hey

>

> ive been trying to work out how to contact Microsoft without paying lots

> of

> money (they want like £45)

>

> This is from here

> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-gb&prid=8761&gprid=299336

>

> im part of the MSDNAA i believe (if that helps me contact them) and im

> using

> a copy of windows XPx64 supplied through there (by my university)

>

> for XPx32 you get 2 free support requests, but apparently not for x64

>

> If you could point me in the direction of somewhere i can contact them, it

> would really help me

>

> Yahooadam

>

> "John Fullbright" wrote:

>

>> This looks like the same problem indeed. I would contact ms and see if

>> they

>> have a similar hotfix in the works for XP.

>>

>> John

>>

>> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:14FF8905-1159-44E4-BC9D-5688E15830EA@microsoft.com...

>> > Oh, also, the Pages/sec are about 12-15k

>> >

>> > "John Fullbright" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Start run perfmon. Click the "+" to add counters.

>> >>

>> >> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:EC198251-C4F8-43B6-AE37-7363D62BD5C6@microsoft.com...

>> >> > That problem does sound very much the same

>> >> >

>> >> > What do you mean by "You may want to look at the cache counters in

>> >> > perfmon

>> >> > while this is occurring" (i assume something in taskmanager ->

>> >> > performance)

>> >> >

>> >> > Where would i find the numbers for PSS?

>> >> >

>> >> > Thanks for the help

>> >> > Yahooadam

>> >> >

>> >> > "John Fullbright" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> This sounds suspiciously like

>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920739/en-us

>> >> >> for which there is a patch for Windows 2003. You may want to look

>> >> >> at

>> >> >> the

>> >> >> cache counters in perfmon while this is occurring. If this is the

>> >> >> same

>> >> >> issue, call PSS see if MS has or is working on a similar patch for

>> >> >> XP.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> >> news:EDF16D09-2342-4C96-B0C8-F95131BA47D7@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> > Hey All

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in

>> >> >> > XPx64

>> >> >> > The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the

>> >> >> > ram

>> >> >> > is

>> >> >> > full

>> >> >> > it writes it off to the other HDD

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or

>> >> >> > any

>> >> >> > other

>> >> >> > computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer

>> >> >> > because

>> >> >> > everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any

>> >> >> > processor

>> >> >> > time

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Any help would be apprieciated

>> >> >> > Yahooadam

>> >> >>

>> >>

>>

May 2, 2008

Re: File Copy Eats Ram

I tried the xp32bit support, but when i put in my 64bit serial number its

rejected (cos its 64bit)

If you can get any answers out of Microsoft, i would most appreciate it

Thanks

Yahooadam

"John Fullbright" wrote:

> The bits are the same between the qfe and XP 64 bit. I'll try and get

> someone from MS to verify that works (it likely hasn't been tested on XP

> 64bit)

>

> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:A3F5AA56-ED8C-48AB-AE56-D67E2C83BA15@microsoft.com...

> > Hey

> >

> > ive been trying to work out how to contact Microsoft without paying lots

> > of

> > money (they want like £45)

> >

> > This is from here

> > https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-gb&prid=8761&gprid=299336

> >

> > im part of the MSDNAA i believe (if that helps me contact them) and im

> > using

> > a copy of windows XPx64 supplied through there (by my university)

> >

> > for XPx32 you get 2 free support requests, but apparently not for x64

> >

> > If you could point me in the direction of somewhere i can contact them, it

> > would really help me

> >

> > Yahooadam

> >

> > "John Fullbright" wrote:

> >

> >> This looks like the same problem indeed. I would contact ms and see if

> >> they

> >> have a similar hotfix in the works for XP.

> >>

> >> John

> >>

> >> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:14FF8905-1159-44E4-BC9D-5688E15830EA@microsoft.com...

> >> > Oh, also, the Pages/sec are about 12-15k

> >> >

> >> > "John Fullbright" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> Start run perfmon. Click the "+" to add counters.

> >> >>

> >> >> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:EC198251-C4F8-43B6-AE37-7363D62BD5C6@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > That problem does sound very much the same

> >> >> >

> >> >> > What do you mean by "You may want to look at the cache counters in

> >> >> > perfmon

> >> >> > while this is occurring" (i assume something in taskmanager ->

> >> >> > performance)

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Where would i find the numbers for PSS?

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Thanks for the help

> >> >> > Yahooadam

> >> >> >

> >> >> > "John Fullbright" wrote:

> >> >> >

> >> >> >> This sounds suspiciously like

> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920739/en-us

> >> >> >> for which there is a patch for Windows 2003. You may want to look

> >> >> >> at

> >> >> >> the

> >> >> >> cache counters in perfmon while this is occurring. If this is the

> >> >> >> same

> >> >> >> issue, call PSS see if MS has or is working on a similar patch for

> >> >> >> XP.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> "Madness" <Madness@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> >> news:EDF16D09-2342-4C96-B0C8-F95131BA47D7@microsoft.com...

> >> >> >> > Hey All

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > i'm having a problem when copying files from 1 HDD to another in

> >> >> >> > XPx64

> >> >> >> > The data is read off the source HDD, _into ram_, then when the

> >> >> >> > ram

> >> >> >> > is

> >> >> >> > full

> >> >> >> > it writes it off to the other HDD

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > This has never happened to me on any other version of windows, or

> >> >> >> > any

> >> >> >> > other

> >> >> >> > computer, i'm at a total loss as to why this happens

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > However, because its doing this it practically stops the computer

> >> >> >> > because

> >> >> >> > everything is pushed out of ram, and nothing else gets any

> >> >> >> > processor

> >> >> >> > time

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > Any help would be apprieciated

> >> >> >> > Yahooadam

> >> >> >>

> >> >>

> >>

>

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