cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:00:01 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

 

>> By the way, the Regsvc.exe process self-started immediately after

>> termination, not after some interval of time, as previously reported. I've

>> set it to 'manual' as suggested. Previously 'automatic'.

>

>Something is going on with the service. I can't see why this service

>needs to run and I don't know what would cause it to restart when you

>turn it off. I am wondering if this is even the real bona fide

>Microsoft Remote Registry Service, some virus mascarade as this service.

> Do a search on your hard drive for Regsvc.exe and note the various

>locations of the file.

>

 

Apart from System32, it shows up only in microsoft.net\framework folders

and in the SP4 express install directory.

 

RL

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:00:01 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

> wrote:

>

>

>

>>>By the way, the Regsvc.exe process self-started immediately after

>>>termination, not after some interval of time, as previously reported. I've

>>>set it to 'manual' as suggested. Previously 'automatic'.

>>

>>Something is going on with the service. I can't see why this service

>>needs to run and I don't know what would cause it to restart when you

>>turn it off. I am wondering if this is even the real bona fide

>>Microsoft Remote Registry Service, some virus mascarade as this service.

>> Do a search on your hard drive for Regsvc.exe and note the various

>>locations of the file.

>>

>

>

> Apart from System32, it shows up only in microsoft.net\framework folders

> and in the SP4 express install directory.

 

Those are normal locations for the file. After you set it to Manual

Start does it start when the computer is booted?

 

John

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:46:47 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

>

> Well, that didn't take long.

>

> First folder emptied of 6 jpg files, created by

> some goofy SW installer, would not delete. Usual message.

>

> C:\DOCS\Demo Album

>

> Would not delete.

>

> handle.exe doesn't recognize the file name with or without quotes from a

> command prompt.

>

> Per TaskInfo, Explore has a million handles , none of them referring to

> this folder.

>

> Opening a discrete instance of explorer.exe from the start menu, gets the

> same response from a select/file/delete mouse sequence in the GUI.

>

> The folder has security properties grayed/checked for all operations for

> both me as administrator and for another identity 'everyone'.

>

> The "allow inheritable permissions from parent....." check box is ticked.

>

> running handle -p 1384 shows fewer explorer handles ~40.

>

> 5 of those apply to the folder Demo Album, all reading

>

> xxx: File <RW-> C:\DOCS\Demo Album

 

I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

just on C:\

 

John

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:32:21 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

 

>>

>> Apart from System32, it shows up only in microsoft.net\framework folders

>> and in the SP4 express install directory.

>

>Those are normal locations for the file. After you set it to Manual

>Start does it start when the computer is booted?

>

Not since I set it to 'manual' using services.msc.

 

RL

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:42 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

>legg wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:46:47 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

>>

>> Well, that didn't take long.

>>

>> First folder emptied of 6 jpg files, created by

>> some goofy SW installer, would not delete. Usual message.

>>

>> C:\DOCS\Demo Album

>>

>> Would not delete.

>>

>> handle.exe doesn't recognize the file name with or without quotes from a

>> command prompt.

>>

>> Per TaskInfo, Explore has a million handles , none of them referring to

>> this folder.

>>

>> Opening a discrete instance of explorer.exe from the start menu, gets the

>> same response from a select/file/delete mouse sequence in the GUI.

>>

>> The folder has security properties grayed/checked for all operations for

>> both me as administrator and for another identity 'everyone'.

>>

>> The "allow inheritable permissions from parent....." check box is ticked.

>>

>> running handle -p 1384 shows fewer explorer handles ~40.

>>

>> 5 of those apply to the folder Demo Album, all reading

>>

>> xxx: File <RW-> C:\DOCS\Demo Album

>

>I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

>more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

>just on C:\

 

There are two hard drives (SATA) in a dual boot W2K/WXP OS.

 

The first disk with the NTFS W2K partition has 3 FAT32 data partitions (L:

M: N: ) on it's back end.

 

The second disk with ntfs WXP partition (S:)has one fat32 data partition on

it's back end (T:) used only for seldom-accessed archiving.

 

The only IDE master cable available is used for cd/dvd/rw master and one

non-booting optional slave ( D: E: F: or whatever, when present).

 

The previous example showed simultaneous problems on C: (W2K ntfs root) and

L: (fat32 data on the same hard drive).

 

I'll try a similar operation in safe mode and get back to you.

 

RL

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:32:21 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

> wrote:

>

>

>

>>>Apart from System32, it shows up only in microsoft.net\framework folders

>>>and in the SP4 express install directory.

>>

>>Those are normal locations for the file. After you set it to Manual

>>Start does it start when the computer is booted?

>>

>

> Not since I set it to 'manual' using services.msc.

 

OK, that is how it should be. I assume it now stays off all the time,

it doesn't start by itself when Windows is running normally?

 

John

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:42 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

 

>I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

>more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

>just on C:\

 

Same thing in safe mode.

 

I transferred the five jpgs from the DOCS\gallery\wallpaper\imported folder

back into the DOCS\Demo Album folder, and was then prevented from deleting

the empty 'imported' folder.

 

Regsvc.exe does not run at some later time, when set to manual, so far.

 

RL

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:42 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

> wrote:

>>I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

>>more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

>>just on C:\

>

>

> There are two hard drives (SATA) in a dual boot W2K/WXP OS.

>

> The first disk with the NTFS W2K partition has 3 FAT32 data partitions (L:

> M: N: ) on it's back end.

>

> The second disk with ntfs WXP partition (S:)has one fat32 data partition on

> it's back end (T:) used only for seldom-accessed archiving.

>

> The only IDE master cable available is used for cd/dvd/rw master and one

> non-booting optional slave ( D: E: F: or whatever, when present).

>

> The previous example showed simultaneous problems on C: (W2K ntfs root) and

> L: (fat32 data on the same hard drive).

>

> I'll try a similar operation in safe mode and get back to you.

 

Ok, I was thinking that maybe file system or disk corruption might be

involved. The problem is happening when trying to delete folders on two

different partitions on the *same* hard disk? And not on a different

hard disk? Or is the problem the same on both hard disks?

 

John

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:20:07 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

>legg wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:42 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

>> wrote:

>

>>>I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

>>>more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

>>>just on C:\

>>

>>

>> There are two hard drives (SATA) in a dual boot W2K/WXP OS.

>>

>> The first disk with the NTFS W2K partition has 3 FAT32 data partitions (L:

>> M: N: ) on it's back end.

>>

>> The second disk with ntfs WXP partition (S:)has one fat32 data partition on

>> it's back end (T:) used only for seldom-accessed archiving.

>>

>> The only IDE master cable available is used for cd/dvd/rw master and one

>> non-booting optional slave ( D: E: F: or whatever, when present).

>>

>> The previous example showed simultaneous problems on C: (W2K ntfs root) and

>> L: (fat32 data on the same hard drive).

>>

>> I'll try a similar operation in safe mode and get back to you.

>

>Ok, I was thinking that maybe file system or disk corruption might be

>involved. The problem is happening when trying to delete folders on two

>different partitions on the *same* hard disk? And not on a different

>hard disk? Or is the problem the same on both hard disks?

>

Recent trials involve only folders in root.

 

RL

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:42 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

> wrote:

>

>

>

>>I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

>>more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

>>just on C:\

>

>

> Same thing in safe mode.

 

I am starting to think that maybe disk corruption or that a failing disk

might be the cause of your problem?

 

John

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:20:07 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

 

>Ok, I was thinking that maybe file system or disk corruption might be

>involved. The problem is happening when trying to delete folders on two

>different partitions on the *same* hard disk? And not on a different

>hard disk? Or is the problem the same on both hard disks?

>

 

Using the W2K OS, I accessed T: on the second hard drive, relocated some

files into a new folder and was then not allowed to delete the old, empty

folder.

 

RL

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:20:07 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

> wrote:

>

>

>>legg wrote:

>>

>>

>>>On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:42 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

>>>wrote:

>>

>>>>I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

>>>>more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

>>>>just on C:\

>>>

>>>

>>>There are two hard drives (SATA) in a dual boot W2K/WXP OS.

>>>

>>>The first disk with the NTFS W2K partition has 3 FAT32 data partitions (L:

>>>M: N: ) on it's back end.

>>>

>>>The second disk with ntfs WXP partition (S:)has one fat32 data partition on

>>>it's back end (T:) used only for seldom-accessed archiving.

>>>

>>>The only IDE master cable available is used for cd/dvd/rw master and one

>>>non-booting optional slave ( D: E: F: or whatever, when present).

>>>

>>>The previous example showed simultaneous problems on C: (W2K ntfs root) and

>>>L: (fat32 data on the same hard drive).

>>>

>>>I'll try a similar operation in safe mode and get back to you.

>>

>>Ok, I was thinking that maybe file system or disk corruption might be

>>involved. The problem is happening when trying to delete folders on two

>>different partitions on the *same* hard disk? And not on a different

>>hard disk? Or is the problem the same on both hard disks?

>>

>

> Recent trials involve only folders in root.

 

Maybe run a chkdsk on the volume and see if it corrects things. Be

warned that there is *always* a risk of data loss when you run chkdsk,

backup your valuable data before you proceed! You could also run a disk

diagnostic utility from the hard disk manufacturer, the disk may be

marginal or failing.

 

John

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:20:07 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

> wrote:

>

>

>

>>Ok, I was thinking that maybe file system or disk corruption might be

>>involved. The problem is happening when trying to delete folders on two

>>different partitions on the *same* hard disk? And not on a different

>>hard disk? Or is the problem the same on both hard disks?

>>

>

>

> Using the W2K OS, I accessed T: on the second hard drive, relocated some

> files into a new folder and was then not allowed to delete the old, empty

> folder.

 

So you aren't allowed to delete any folders at all? Anywhere? Until

you reboot the machine?

 

John

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:35:28 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

>legg wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:42 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

>> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

>>>more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

>>>just on C:\

>>

>>

>> Same thing in safe mode.

>

>I am starting to think that maybe disk corruption or that a failing disk

>might be the cause of your problem?

 

This is a new HD set up in a new system some months ago. Migration to this

new system is forced now by the previous system hardware regularly

'killing' hard drives for the previous W98/W2K dual boot OS.

 

The old hard drives are readable for data transfer as slaves in the new

system hardware, and would probably run ok in new hardware, if I had

back-up hardware that would still be gracious enough to run W98.

 

I'm beginning to think that chasing down hardware for the latter option

might be smarter, if the new W2K OS is going to continue be a daily

headache, in simple operations like data file manipulation.

 

RL

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:42:22 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

>legg wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:20:07 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

>> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>legg wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:42 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

>>>>wrote:

>>>

>>>>>I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

>>>>>more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

>>>>>just on C:\

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>There are two hard drives (SATA) in a dual boot W2K/WXP OS.

>>>>

>>>>The first disk with the NTFS W2K partition has 3 FAT32 data partitions (L:

>>>>M: N: ) on it's back end.

>>>>

>>>>The second disk with ntfs WXP partition (S:)has one fat32 data partition on

>>>>it's back end (T:) used only for seldom-accessed archiving.

>>>>

>>>>The only IDE master cable available is used for cd/dvd/rw master and one

>>>>non-booting optional slave ( D: E: F: or whatever, when present).

>>>>

>>>>The previous example showed simultaneous problems on C: (W2K ntfs root) and

>>>>L: (fat32 data on the same hard drive).

>>>>

>>>>I'll try a similar operation in safe mode and get back to you.

>>>

>>>Ok, I was thinking that maybe file system or disk corruption might be

>>>involved. The problem is happening when trying to delete folders on two

>>>different partitions on the *same* hard disk? And not on a different

>>>hard disk? Or is the problem the same on both hard disks?

>>>

>>

>> Recent trials involve only folders in root.

>

>Maybe run a chkdsk on the volume and see if it corrects things. Be

>warned that there is *always* a risk of data loss when you run chkdsk,

>backup your valuable data before you proceed! You could also run a disk

>diagnostic utility from the hard disk manufacturer, the disk may be

>marginal or failing.

 

This is a new HD set up in a new system some months ago. Migration to this

new system is forced now by the previous system hardware regularly

'killing' hard drives for the previous W98/W2K dual boot OS.

 

The old hard drives are readable for data transfer as slaves in the new

system hardware, and would probably run ok in new hardware, if I had

back-up hardware that would still be gracious enough to run W98.

 

I'm beginning to think that chasing down hardware for the latter option

might be smarter, if the new W2K OS is going to continue be a daily

headache, in simple operations like data file manipulation.

 

As it is, the same behavior is evidenced when manipulating files and

folders on/within the T: archival FAT32 partition of the second hard drive,

using the presently misbehaving W2K OS installed in the first ntfs

partition of the first hard drive.

 

 

RL

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:35:28 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

> wrote:

>

>

>>legg wrote:

>>

>>

>>>On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:42 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

>>>wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

>>>>more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

>>>>just on C:\

>>>

>>>

>>>Same thing in safe mode.

>>

>>I am starting to think that maybe disk corruption or that a failing disk

>>might be the cause of your problem?

>

>

> This is a new HD set up in a new system some months ago. Migration to this

> new system is forced now by the previous system hardware regularly

> 'killing' hard drives for the previous W98/W2K dual boot OS.

>

> The old hard drives are readable for data transfer as slaves in the new

> system hardware, and would probably run ok in new hardware, if I had

> back-up hardware that would still be gracious enough to run W98.

>

> I'm beginning to think that chasing down hardware for the latter option

> might be smarter, if the new W2K OS is going to continue be a daily

> headache, in simple operations like data file manipulation.

 

Believe me, I have been using Windows 2000 for many years on many

different computers and the problem that you describe is not very

common! I have worked with folders containing thousands and tens of

thousands of files (NTFS) and I have never had any such problems

deleting folders, be they full or empty! I am out of ideas as to the

cause of the problem, if I think of anything else I'll let you know.

Maybe the application that created the files and folders is at fault?

 

John

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:47:18 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

>> Using the W2K OS, I accessed T: on the second hard drive, relocated some

>> files into a new folder and was then not allowed to delete the old, empty

>> folder.

>

>So you aren't allowed to delete any folders at all? Anywhere? Until

>you reboot the machine?

 

If I copy the folder that cannot be deleted to a new location, I can delete

the copy.

 

If I copy any folder into a new location, I can delete the original.

 

If I recopy the same folder back to the old location, I can delete the

original copy.

 

If I cut the contents from a folder and paste it into another folder

elsewhere, with the same (or a different) name, I am prevented from

deleting the old empty folder.

 

RL

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> As it is, the same behavior is evidenced when manipulating files and

> folders on/within the T: archival FAT32 partition of the second hard drive,

> using the presently misbehaving W2K OS installed in the first ntfs

> partition of the first hard drive.

 

If nothing else works, this may be the way out:

 

How to perform an in-place upgrade of Windows 2000

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292175

 

What an in-place Windows 2000 upgrade changes and what it does not change

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306952/

 

John

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:05:15 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

>legg wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:35:28 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

>> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>legg wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:42 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

>>>>wrote:

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>I would try Safe Mode and see if the problem exists there. Do you have

>>>>>more than one hard disk? Does the problem exist on other hard disks, or

>>>>>just on C:\

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>Same thing in safe mode.

>>>

>>>I am starting to think that maybe disk corruption or that a failing disk

>>>might be the cause of your problem?

>>

>>

>> This is a new HD set up in a new system some months ago. Migration to this

>> new system is forced now by the previous system hardware regularly

>> 'killing' hard drives for the previous W98/W2K dual boot OS.

>>

>> The old hard drives are readable for data transfer as slaves in the new

>> system hardware, and would probably run ok in new hardware, if I had

>> back-up hardware that would still be gracious enough to run W98.

>>

>> I'm beginning to think that chasing down hardware for the latter option

>> might be smarter, if the new W2K OS is going to continue be a daily

>> headache, in simple operations like data file manipulation.

>

>Believe me, I have been using Windows 2000 for many years on many

>different computers and the problem that you describe is not very

>common! I have worked with folders containing thousands and tens of

>thousands of files (NTFS) and I have never had any such problems

>deleting folders, be they full or empty! I am out of ideas as to the

>cause of the problem, if I think of anything else I'll let you know.

>Maybe the application that created the files and folders is at fault?

>

If there are any bright ideas out there, remove nospam from the 'reply to'

address and let me know by e-mail.

 

Perhaps it might have something to do with the recycle bin or find-fast

indexing, swap or pagefiles, maybe some kind of security/permissions

mis-setting that I'm unaware of.

 

Can't be too complex as the system is barely loaded with basic

applications, so far. It's nowhere near to serving usefully on my desk -

it's still just a glorified typewriter.

 

RL

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:47:18 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

> wrote:

>

>

>>>Using the W2K OS, I accessed T: on the second hard drive, relocated some

>>>files into a new folder and was then not allowed to delete the old, empty

>>>folder.

>>

>>So you aren't allowed to delete any folders at all? Anywhere? Until

>>you reboot the machine?

>

>

> If I copy the folder that cannot be deleted to a new location, I can delete

> the copy.

>

> If I copy any folder into a new location, I can delete the original.

>

> If I recopy the same folder back to the old location, I can delete the

> original copy.

>

> If I cut the contents from a folder and paste it into another folder

> elsewhere, with the same (or a different) name, I am prevented from

> deleting the old empty folder.

 

What happens if you try to bypass the Recycle Bin? Press and Hold the

<Shift> key when you try to delete the folder, this is a permanent

deletion the folder will not go to the Recycle Bin, it will not be

recoverable. Can the folders be deleted that way?

 

John

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:27:47 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

>legg wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:47:18 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

>> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>>Using the W2K OS, I accessed T: on the second hard drive, relocated some

>>>>files into a new folder and was then not allowed to delete the old, empty

>>>>folder.

>>>

>>>So you aren't allowed to delete any folders at all? Anywhere? Until

>>>you reboot the machine?

>>

>>

>> If I copy the folder that cannot be deleted to a new location, I can delete

>> the copy.

>>

>> If I copy any folder into a new location, I can delete the original.

>>

>> If I recopy the same folder back to the old location, I can delete the

>> original copy.

>>

>> If I cut the contents from a folder and paste it into another folder

>> elsewhere, with the same (or a different) name, I am prevented from

>> deleting the old empty folder.

>

>What happens if you try to bypass the Recycle Bin? Press and Hold the

><Shift> key when you try to delete the folder, this is a permanent

>deletion the folder will not go to the Recycle Bin, it will not be

>recoverable. Can the folders be deleted that way?

>

 

No joy that way either.

 

RL

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> Perhaps it might have something to do with the recycle bin or find-fast

> indexing, swap or pagefiles, maybe some kind of security/permissions

> mis-setting that I'm unaware of.

 

Turn off indexing on all drives and see if things improve. I doubt that

the pagefile has anything to do with this. As for the Security

Permissions that would appear to have been eliminated as the folders can

be deleted safer a reboot, and, you say that the problem also exists on

a FAT32 drive, Security Permissions are written in the NTFS metadata,

they cannot be applied on FAT32 volumes, so that seems to be a dead end.

Copy and Paste is in fact a Move operation, so it appears that you

cannot delete empty folders after a Move operation. It's a mystery to

me, I would disable *everything* except the 6 critical Windows Services

and see if the problem persists.

 

John

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:42:04 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

>legg wrote:

>

>> Perhaps it might have something to do with the recycle bin or find-fast

>> indexing, swap or pagefiles, maybe some kind of security/permissions

>> mis-setting that I'm unaware of.

>

>Turn off indexing on all drives and see if things improve. I doubt that

>the pagefile has anything to do with this. As for the Security

>Permissions that would appear to have been eliminated as the folders can

>be deleted safer a reboot, and, you say that the problem also exists on

>a FAT32 drive, Security Permissions are written in the NTFS metadata,

>they cannot be applied on FAT32 volumes, so that seems to be a dead end.

> Copy and Paste is in fact a Move operation, so it appears that you

>cannot delete empty folders after a Move operation. It's a mystery to

>me, I would disable *everything* except the 6 critical Windows Services

>and see if the problem persists.

>

 

I set all directories listed in the indexing service to 'No' in the

'include in catalog' option (only C: and some folders on C; were listed)

 

After reboot, a folder still wouldn't delete after it's contents were

removed, on C:.

 

Isn't running in safe mode the same as reducing windows services to

critical ones?

 

RL

[Guest John John]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

legg wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:42:04 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

> wrote:

>

>

>>legg wrote:

>>

>>

>>>Perhaps it might have something to do with the recycle bin or find-fast

>>>indexing, swap or pagefiles, maybe some kind of security/permissions

>>>mis-setting that I'm unaware of.

>>

>>Turn off indexing on all drives and see if things improve. I doubt that

>>the pagefile has anything to do with this. As for the Security

>>Permissions that would appear to have been eliminated as the folders can

>>be deleted safer a reboot, and, you say that the problem also exists on

>>a FAT32 drive, Security Permissions are written in the NTFS metadata,

>>they cannot be applied on FAT32 volumes, so that seems to be a dead end.

>> Copy and Paste is in fact a Move operation, so it appears that you

>>cannot delete empty folders after a Move operation. It's a mystery to

>>me, I would disable *everything* except the 6 critical Windows Services

>>and see if the problem persists.

>>

>

>

> I set all directories listed in the indexing service to 'No' in the

> 'include in catalog' option (only C: and some folders on C; were listed)

>

> After reboot, a folder still wouldn't delete after it's contents were

> removed, on C:.

 

And you can confirm that the same problem occurs on a FAT32 volume?

 

> Isn't running in safe mode the same as reducing windows services to

> critical ones?

 

It's supposed to.

 

John

[Guest legg]

Re: cannot delete empty folders - until 'later'

 

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:15:33 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

wrote:

>legg wrote:

>

>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:42:04 -0300, John John <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca>

>> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>legg wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>>Perhaps it might have something to do with the recycle bin or find-fast

>>>>indexing, swap or pagefiles, maybe some kind of security/permissions

>>>>mis-setting that I'm unaware of.

>>>

>>>Turn off indexing on all drives and see if things improve. I doubt that

>>>the pagefile has anything to do with this. As for the Security

>>>Permissions that would appear to have been eliminated as the folders can

>>>be deleted safer a reboot, and, you say that the problem also exists on

>>>a FAT32 drive, Security Permissions are written in the NTFS metadata,

>>>they cannot be applied on FAT32 volumes, so that seems to be a dead end.

>>> Copy and Paste is in fact a Move operation, so it appears that you

>>>cannot delete empty folders after a Move operation. It's a mystery to

>>>me, I would disable *everything* except the 6 critical Windows Services

>>>and see if the problem persists.

>>>

>>

>>

>> I set all directories listed in the indexing service to 'No' in the

>> 'include in catalog' option (only C: and some folders on C; were listed)

>>

>> After reboot, a folder still wouldn't delete after it's contents were

>> removed, on C:.

>

>And you can confirm that the same problem occurs on a FAT32 volume?

>

 

Reconfirmed this on the L: partition.

Also retested copying effects. Copying the contents to a new folder leaves

the original undeletable. So it's not just a cutting transfer ('move') that

produces the anomaly.

 

RL