hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

[Guest VitasLoWang]

Hello, when I try to put my Vista 64bit computer in sleep (hibernate)

it looks like it does something but there is no progress bar, just the

display shuts off, but the computer is still on! Fans are spining and

hard drives maybe spin too. It does not do anything for a while so I

try to wake it, but nothing works. Only holding a power button for a

5seconds switches the computer off. When I start it again Vista starts

from scratch (previous session with running programs is lost)

I have Intel core2quad on GA-965P-S3 mobo with 3GB RAM

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

Hibernate with 3 GB can take a LONG time. Screen will go dark, fans will

spin, and it will sit there for quite a while. Then finally speed up the HD

/ Fans, and eventually shut off.

 

Honestly, MS recommends either sleep, or shutdown, for >=2GB of RAM. Sleep

will cut the overall power use substantially, and recovery is still quick.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:7e6a03a5-d1a8-4c1b-8c50-2e496ac5ca9c@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> Hello, when I try to put my Vista 64bit computer in sleep (hibernate)

> it looks like it does something but there is no progress bar, just the

> display shuts off, but the computer is still on! Fans are spining and

> hard drives maybe spin too. It does not do anything for a while so I

> try to wake it, but nothing works. Only holding a power button for a

> 5seconds switches the computer off. When I start it again Vista starts

> from scratch (previous session with running programs is lost)

> I have Intel core2quad on GA-965P-S3 mobo with 3GB RAM

[Guest Zootal]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

FWIW, all versions of Windows are plagued with not going into

hibernation/standy, or worse, not coming back out. Only one of the ten boxes

I currently work with will actually go into hibernation and come back. Of

the rest half go in but won't come out, the other half just lock up. I have

given up on getting Windows to sleep or hibernate a long time ago.

 

I used to have a keyboard with a sleep button on it. Every now and then I

would accidently press the sleep button, and when I did SPLATTO, there goes

all of my work, and bye bye unsaved files.

 

Yes, I know there are plenty of people here that will tell me all about how

their boxes hibernate/sleep just fine. Good for you :-). Very few of mine

will....

 

"VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:7e6a03a5-d1a8-4c1b-8c50-2e496ac5ca9c@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> Hello, when I try to put my Vista 64bit computer in sleep (hibernate)

> it looks like it does something but there is no progress bar, just the

> display shuts off, but the computer is still on! Fans are spining and

> hard drives maybe spin too. It does not do anything for a while so I

> try to wake it, but nothing works. Only holding a power button for a

> 5seconds switches the computer off. When I start it again Vista starts

> from scratch (previous session with running programs is lost)

> I have Intel core2quad on GA-965P-S3 mobo with 3GB RAM

[Guest VitasLoWang]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

It seems it works now! I installed SP1 and tried it - display

immediatelly switched off and then I had to wait maybe a couple of

minutes (!) until the computer switched off! Now I am not sure if the

SP1 really helped or I just did not have the patience to wait until

computer shuts down when I was trying it before :)

WTH isn't there any progress bar as it is in XP?

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

Just a different way of doing it. SP1 does help - that's an area they did

some work on. but I suspect before you just weren't patient enough.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:fd2b378d-4b2a-4f70-be3a-60aae4125d93@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

> It seems it works now! I installed SP1 and tried it - display

> immediatelly switched off and then I had to wait maybe a couple of

> minutes (!) until the computer switched off! Now I am not sure if the

> SP1 really helped or I just did not have the patience to wait until

> computer shuts down when I was trying it before :)

> WTH isn't there any progress bar as it is in XP?

[Guest TJD]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

I too have trouble with sleep/hibernate and I have 8 GB of RAM. I am

thinking changing my bios settings. What is the difference between standby

S1 and S3 in bios? I currently have the bios set to "S1 and S3," so I

thought I had all bases covered, but now I am beginning to wonder.

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:0734EF43-91E1-47BE-9C12-37DB2F8DA91B@microsoft.com...

> Just a different way of doing it. SP1 does help - that's an area they did

> some work on. but I suspect before you just weren't patient enough.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

>

> "VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:fd2b378d-4b2a-4f70-be3a-60aae4125d93@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

>> It seems it works now! I installed SP1 and tried it - display

>> immediatelly switched off and then I had to wait maybe a couple of

>> minutes (!) until the computer switched off! Now I am not sure if the

>> SP1 really helped or I just did not have the patience to wait until

>> computer shuts down when I was trying it before :)

>> WTH isn't there any progress bar as it is in XP?

>

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

I'm not sure what each state is. But if you're trying to hibernate a 8GB

machine... Don't.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"TJD" <TJDanon@cox.net> wrote in message

news:uU6FkIPnIHA.944@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>I too have trouble with sleep/hibernate and I have 8 GB of RAM. I am

>thinking changing my bios settings. What is the difference between standby

>S1 and S3 in bios? I currently have the bios set to "S1 and S3," so I

>thought I had all bases covered, but now I am beginning to wonder.

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> news:0734EF43-91E1-47BE-9C12-37DB2F8DA91B@microsoft.com...

>> Just a different way of doing it. SP1 does help - that's an area they did

>> some work on. but I suspect before you just weren't patient enough.

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>>

>> "VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fd2b378d-4b2a-4f70-be3a-60aae4125d93@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

>>> It seems it works now! I installed SP1 and tried it - display

>>> immediatelly switched off and then I had to wait maybe a couple of

>>> minutes (!) until the computer switched off! Now I am not sure if the

>>> SP1 really helped or I just did not have the patience to wait until

>>> computer shuts down when I was trying it before :)

>>> WTH isn't there any progress bar as it is in XP?

>>

>

[Guest TJD]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

Now you're scaring me! Why not?

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:48C0C682-B465-44DC-AD6F-16ABFE216ECE@microsoft.com...

> I'm not sure what each state is. But if you're trying to hibernate a 8GB

> machine... Don't.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

>

> "TJD" <TJDanon@cox.net> wrote in message

> news:uU6FkIPnIHA.944@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>I too have trouble with sleep/hibernate and I have 8 GB of RAM. I am

>>thinking changing my bios settings. What is the difference between standby

>>S1 and S3 in bios? I currently have the bios set to "S1 and S3," so I

>>thought I had all bases covered, but now I am beginning to wonder.

>>

>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

>> news:0734EF43-91E1-47BE-9C12-37DB2F8DA91B@microsoft.com...

>>> Just a different way of doing it. SP1 does help - that's an area they

>>> did some work on. but I suspect before you just weren't patient enough.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Charlie.

>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>>

>>>

>>> "VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:fd2b378d-4b2a-4f70-be3a-60aae4125d93@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

>>>> It seems it works now! I installed SP1 and tried it - display

>>>> immediatelly switched off and then I had to wait maybe a couple of

>>>> minutes (!) until the computer switched off! Now I am not sure if the

>>>> SP1 really helped or I just did not have the patience to wait until

>>>> computer shuts down when I was trying it before :)

>>>> WTH isn't there any progress bar as it is in XP?

>>>

>>

>

[Guest Jane C]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

See here:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888575

 

"TJD" <TJDanon@cox.net> wrote in message

news:Ofr8n6PnIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Now you're scaring me! Why not?

>

 

 

--

Jane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :-)

Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)

MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

[Guest Zootal]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

Yeesh. Thank you, Microsoft, for arbitrarily deciding what I can and what I

can't do....

 

If I want to hibernate my 8GB machine, and if it takes 10 minutes to go to

sleep, that is my problem, and my choice - not Microsofts. Well, OK, in

theory it should be my choice to make...

 

 

"Jane C" <janecolman@invalid.iinet.net.au> wrote in message

news:0DBBA97C-4509-48D0-B2DF-786DD41F5933@microsoft.com...

> See here:

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888575

>

> "TJD" <TJDanon@cox.net> wrote in message

> news:Ofr8n6PnIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Now you're scaring me! Why not?

>>

>

>

> --

> Jane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :-)

> Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)

> MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

[Guest DevilsPGD]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

In message <e7Pq1HRnIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> "Zootal"

<msnews@zootal.nospam.com> wrote:

>Yeesh. Thank you, Microsoft, for arbitrarily deciding what I can and what I

>can't do....

>

>If I want to hibernate my 8GB machine, and if it takes 10 minutes to go to

>sleep, that is my problem, and my choice - not Microsofts. Well, OK, in

>theory it should be my choice to make...

 

This is very likely not arbitrary -- I'm not sure if you noticed, but

4GB is a bit of a "magic" number in the computing world, and it's quite

possible that the hibernation system simply can't handle more then

2**32bytes.

 

Poor design, I'll give you that one, but it's a design limit that makes

sense, given the nature of computing when hibernation was added to the

NT family.

[Guest Dominic Payer]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

See the explanation of power states at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface

 

S3 requires drivers, BIOS and hardware to meet the correct specification and

work together and can be a problem with some hardware combinations when the

system will either not go into a S3 sleep state or will not recover

correctly. Only testing will confirm that S3 is workable on a system.

 

 

 

"TJD" <TJDanon@cox.net> wrote in message

news:uU6FkIPnIHA.944@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>I too have trouble with sleep/hibernate and I have 8 GB of RAM. I am

>thinking changing my bios settings. What is the difference between standby

>S1 and S3 in bios? I currently have the bios set to "S1 and S3," so I

>thought I had all bases covered, but now I am beginning to wonder.

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> news:0734EF43-91E1-47BE-9C12-37DB2F8DA91B@microsoft.com...

>> Just a different way of doing it. SP1 does help - that's an area they did

>> some work on. but I suspect before you just weren't patient enough.

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>>

>> "VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:fd2b378d-4b2a-4f70-be3a-60aae4125d93@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

>>> It seems it works now! I installed SP1 and tried it - display

>>> immediatelly switched off and then I had to wait maybe a couple of

>>> minutes (!) until the computer switched off! Now I am not sure if the

>>> SP1 really helped or I just did not have the patience to wait until

>>> computer shuts down when I was trying it before :)

>>> WTH isn't there any progress bar as it is in XP?

>>

>

[Guest VitasLoWang]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

OK, but why there is no progress bar while hibernating? This is very

stupid...

[Guest XS11E]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

"Zootal" <msnews@zootal.nospam.com> wrote:

> FWIW, all versions of Windows are plagued with not going into

> hibernation/standy, or worse, not coming back out. Only one of the

> ten boxes I currently work with will actually go into hibernation

> and come back. Of the rest half go in but won't come out, the

> other half just lock up. I have given up on getting Windows to

> sleep or hibernate a long time ago.

>

> I used to have a keyboard with a sleep button on it. Every now and

> then I would accidently press the sleep button, and when I did

> SPLATTO, there goes all of my work, and bye bye unsaved files.

>

> Yes, I know there are plenty of people here that will tell me all

> about how their boxes hibernate/sleep just fine. Good for you :-).

> Very few of mine will....

 

It's easy to fix, a friend and I spent a week decrapifying his new PC,

installing all his software (there was a LOT!) and updating everything

to work properly after moving from XP to Vista on his new machine. It

wouldn't come out of hibernation, Circuit City told him it was under

warranty and they'd fix it for no charge.

 

It took them only about 30 minutes to fix the problem, they did a

restore! One week's work down the drain....

 

If you have a system under warranty do NOT allow anyone to fix it under

warranty, they'll immediately do a full system restore w/o even looking

at the problem. That's the only thing their minimum wage "techs" know

how to do.

 

 

 

--

XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups

The Usenet Improvement Project:

http://improve-usenet.org

[Guest DevilsPGD]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

In message

<ae0cb333-0b41-4225-8122-bc1c51aba675@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com>

VitasLoWang <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote:

>OK, but why there is no progress bar while hibernating? This is very

>stupid...

 

The theory is that when you show users a progress bar, they sit there

and watch it needlessly. Without a progress bar, you tell the computer

to hibernate, stand up and walk away.

[Guest Gary J. Dikkema]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

Hum, my Dell M1710 laptop (x86) has 4 GB on board and now there no longer is

a Hibernate setting.

 

It came from the factory with 2 GB and Hibernate worked fine...

 

Strange!

 

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:2F5CF677-F8B4-434F-93FD-1E3735E4D64E@microsoft.com...

> Hibernate with 3 GB can take a LONG time. Screen will go dark, fans will

> spin, and it will sit there for quite a while. Then finally speed up the

> HD / Fans, and eventually shut off.

>

> Honestly, MS recommends either sleep, or shutdown, for >=2GB of RAM. Sleep

> will cut the overall power use substantially, and recovery is still quick.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

>

> "VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:7e6a03a5-d1a8-4c1b-8c50-2e496ac5ca9c@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>> Hello, when I try to put my Vista 64bit computer in sleep (hibernate)

>> it looks like it does something but there is no progress bar, just the

>> display shuts off, but the computer is still on! Fans are spining and

>> hard drives maybe spin too. It does not do anything for a while so I

>> try to wake it, but nothing works. Only holding a power button for a

>> 5seconds switches the computer off. When I start it again Vista starts

>> from scratch (previous session with running programs is lost)

>> I have Intel core2quad on GA-965P-S3 mobo with 3GB RAM

>

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

normal. MS disables the hibernate option if you have >2GB of RAM.

 

You can still force it with shutdown /h

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"Gary J. Dikkema" <gary_d_NO-SPAM_@cdir.ca> wrote in message

news:eR1pZZqnIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Hum, my Dell M1710 laptop (x86) has 4 GB on board and now there no longer

> is a Hibernate setting.

>

> It came from the factory with 2 GB and Hibernate worked fine...

>

> Strange!

>

>

> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

> news:2F5CF677-F8B4-434F-93FD-1E3735E4D64E@microsoft.com...

>> Hibernate with 3 GB can take a LONG time. Screen will go dark, fans will

>> spin, and it will sit there for quite a while. Then finally speed up the

>> HD / Fans, and eventually shut off.

>>

>> Honestly, MS recommends either sleep, or shutdown, for >=2GB of RAM.

>> Sleep will cut the overall power use substantially, and recovery is still

>> quick.

>>

>> --

>> Charlie.

>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>

>>

>> "VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> news:7e6a03a5-d1a8-4c1b-8c50-2e496ac5ca9c@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>>> Hello, when I try to put my Vista 64bit computer in sleep (hibernate)

>>> it looks like it does something but there is no progress bar, just the

>>> display shuts off, but the computer is still on! Fans are spining and

>>> hard drives maybe spin too. It does not do anything for a while so I

>>> try to wake it, but nothing works. Only holding a power button for a

>>> 5seconds switches the computer off. When I start it again Vista starts

>>> from scratch (previous session with running programs is lost)

>>> I have Intel core2quad on GA-965P-S3 mobo with 3GB RAM

>>

>

>

[Guest Gary J. Dikkema]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

Suspect disk cleanup killed the hibernate file Charlie... fixed it with the

powercfg -h on command.

 

Thanks!

 

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:241FABB9-F15D-477C-A5C4-0B16A14ED137@microsoft.com...

> normal. MS disables the hibernate option if you have >2GB of RAM.

>

> You can still force it with shutdown /h

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

>

> "Gary J. Dikkema" <gary_d_NO-SPAM_@cdir.ca> wrote in message

> news:eR1pZZqnIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Hum, my Dell M1710 laptop (x86) has 4 GB on board and now there no longer

>> is a Hibernate setting.

>>

>> It came from the factory with 2 GB and Hibernate worked fine...

>>

>> Strange!

>>

>>

>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

>> news:2F5CF677-F8B4-434F-93FD-1E3735E4D64E@microsoft.com...

>>> Hibernate with 3 GB can take a LONG time. Screen will go dark, fans will

>>> spin, and it will sit there for quite a while. Then finally speed up the

>>> HD / Fans, and eventually shut off.

>>>

>>> Honestly, MS recommends either sleep, or shutdown, for >=2GB of RAM.

>>> Sleep will cut the overall power use substantially, and recovery is

>>> still quick.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Charlie.

>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>>>

>>>

>>> "VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> news:7e6a03a5-d1a8-4c1b-8c50-2e496ac5ca9c@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>>>> Hello, when I try to put my Vista 64bit computer in sleep (hibernate)

>>>> it looks like it does something but there is no progress bar, just the

>>>> display shuts off, but the computer is still on! Fans are spining and

>>>> hard drives maybe spin too. It does not do anything for a while so I

>>>> try to wake it, but nothing works. Only holding a power button for a

>>>> 5seconds switches the computer off. When I start it again Vista starts

>>>> from scratch (previous session with running programs is lost)

>>>> I have Intel core2quad on GA-965P-S3 mobo with 3GB RAM

>>>

>>

>>

>

[Guest VitasLoWang]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

STILL DOES NOT WORK!!

I was wrong in my last post - it still does not hibernate often

(computer fans still running, just display off)

Today I switched on the computer and it offered me the error start

menu (last known good and so on) so the last shutdown (or

hibernate...I am not sure now) was somehow bad. I have this in

eventlog:

"The previous system shutdown at 20:43:05 on 16.4.2008 was unexpected."

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

Update to SP1. The chances are good that will solve it. If not, you're going

to need to disable autostart applications until you discover which one is

causing the issue.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:84952b35-7943-418e-9011-151474f33058@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> STILL DOES NOT WORK!!

> I was wrong in my last post - it still does not hibernate often

> (computer fans still running, just display off)

> Today I switched on the computer and it offered me the error start

> menu (last known good and so on) so the last shutdown (or

> hibernate...I am not sure now) was somehow bad. I have this in

> eventlog:

> "The previous system shutdown at 20:43:05 on 16.4.2008 was unexpected."

[Guest VitasLoWang]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

I have already updated and it seems it did not change anything :(

[Guest Charlie Russel - MVP]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

Then you will have to go in and disable all your automatically starting

programs (MSConfig), and see if that resolves it. If it does, great. Now all

you have to do is start enabling them one by one, and you'll find out which

one kills it.

 

--

Charlie.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

 

 

"VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

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>I have already updated and it seems it did not change anything :(

[Guest Zootal]

Re: hibernation not complete and cannot wake up

 

I am once again reminded of what my mechanic told me when I complained about

my car not running properly:

 

"Well, try turning things off one at a time - turn off the radio, the

wipers, disable the power seats, disable the lights, and keep turning things

off until your car runs starts to run right again....."

 

 

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message

news:03E36C71-4381-44E8-9276-2A55A4AFF296@microsoft.com...

> Then you will have to go in and disable all your automatically starting

> programs (MSConfig), and see if that resolves it. If it does, great. Now

> all you have to do is start enabling them one by one, and you'll find out

> which one kills it.

>

> --

> Charlie.

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64

> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

>

>

> "VitasLoWang" <vitas.lowang@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:0c614dbd-02d8-45f9-bb3d-a20c249a091a@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>>I have already updated and it seems it did not change anything :(

>